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[QUOTE=RyanBB;5798848]Anyone know if they really go on bacation to rest their vaginas or do they just go to another spa? Seems like the mamas go away too? What's the deal with that? I bet there is like some crazy underground shit going on.[/QUOTE]I think you missed a valid reason for Bacations: That time of the month, hard to do your job when you are bleeding down there. Just a guess, but seem like a logical one, to me anyway.
[QUOTE=Bouinage;5801885]Did you catch her name? Was it Mya? I agree, I am not a fan of the haggle, I know lots of mongers disagree with this methodology. When they quote a price to high for me, I just say no thanks, this way if they want to earn the tip, then its up to them to come down on the cost. Most of the time it works without to many hard feelings. YMMY of course LOL.[/QUOTE]Yes that is her name. Nice girl and easy to talk with and look at.
Decided to give this place a try. VERY DISAPPOINTED! Paid 60 for an hour. Asked for a quick 5 minute table shower to first rinse off. Was given a girl in her 30's nice body who name starts with O. Began to smell something off right away during the table shower. Brought back to the room for a 10 minute massage with a towel covering me and her face cover on. The SNANK vagina smell couldn't now be denied that we were in an enclosed room. Asked to flip she asked what I wanted. I said not certain. She said any touching started at 100, handjob 120, and 1,80 for all. I said no thank you (due to the bad smell). I said I guess we just need to convert our 1 hour time down to 30 minutes. After 22 minutes I am getting dressed and asked mama for another girl option that didn't smell. She didn't have another girl available. I asked for 20 back since I was under 30 minutes (they charge $40 for 30 minutes) and they would not give me any of the house fee back. Very disappointed about this situation as in prior spa experiences when the girl was off the mama would make it right.
Well for $60, I got to spend 22 minutes smelling an awful pussy. How could this place stay open with girls and management like this?
After being stood up by Sunny, I made a trip to Galaxy. I was hoping to see the young spinner that I offended on my last visit. The girl that I saw was Sophia. She removed her mask for 5 seconds so that I could look at her face. She looks like she is in her late 30's. I wasn't impressed with her massage. On the flip, she allowed me to run her ass and kitty OTC while she gave me a HJ. I paid the house 80. Tipped Sophia 40. I won't revisit Galaxy.
[QUOTE=Corvette704;5795404]Aroma, Apple and Spa 74 are solid FS places.[/QUOTE]Any names I can drop if they ask for a regular? I'm a first timer. Or what's the etiquette to get the most out of the visit? Thanks.
[QUOTE=Crayz;5797966]The rules are pretty much to read through the board. Reading through you may find what you want. Your experience may be different, but should be better than going in without the research. I'm kind of new myself. I'm here about every night trying to learn the lingo like "standard rates". Seems to me the "standard rate" changes depending on where you go. However I see that comment a lot. One bit of advice for when you go to wherever act like you've been there before. It's not like the porno's where the girl wants to excite the 1st timer.
In my begining I went to the one with the big red door on corner of Tryon and woodlawn (It's not there anymore). Fabulous body with a face that looked like she'd been beat. During the table shower I told her it was my 1st time. She told me Shh. Got nothing after that. Went to One. Hot Girl drilled me about who I normally see to prove I'm a regular. Another good reason to get some names from this board. After being cleared it got hot and heavy fast. Fun FS and out the door in 30 minutes. I didn't even get a massage. I tried Wellbeing after seeing an ad on [URL]bedpage.com[/URL]. Ad said special for 1st timers. Again I made that same mistake of telling the girl I saw the ad for a special for 1st timers. What saved me was I put 60 on the table. The best handjob ever. Although I've read recently that's too much money for HJ. Afterwards CoCo lightend up and said next time we could do haha.
I haven't found the "best" place for me yet. "FS" seems to also equal in / out. "Hottest Women" equals too expensive for me, but if you read though you'll find what others have found. I've read here you can ask the girl what's on her menu. So far for me it becomes a circle of well what do you want? And I've been afraid of that indicating I haven't been there. Now that I think about it, with the excuse that the menu could be different depending on the girl I may try that again.[/QUOTE]Appreciate the advice man. I might try One.
[QUOTE=SunRay28;58048th319]Any names I can drop if they ask for a regular? I'm a first timer. Or what's the etiquette to get the most out of the visit? Thanks.[/QUOTE]I doubt any of the women are at them anymore. But mention Tonya at Aroma and June at Apple. It's been some years since I have been to Spa 74 so I wouldn't know who to. Mention. I know there is a review about them not too far back and a name might be mentioned there. Also if FS is what you want then tell them you want everything after the flip. Also if the girl is what you want when she enters the room then drop the FS tip on the bookcase and they will let her know.
Had a not so spectacular trip to aroma this week. Usually pretty decent, this one was fairly mechanical.
Several weeks ago, tried out well-being, I don't usually go to new places, but thought I'd give it a try. Had a good time. FS available at both places. What's odd about well-being is that there's always people standing outside visiting other businesses. It's a little too in the open for my taste.
I really like the convenience of the spas, but it seems to be difficult to find what I'm looking for. Looking for something more than HJ, but not always FS.
[QUOTE=Newguy72;5804560]Had a not so spectacular trip to aroma this week. Usually pretty decent, this one was fairly mechanical.
Several weeks ago, tried out well-being, I don't usually go to new places, but thought I'd give it a try. Had a good time. FS available at both places. What's odd about well-being is that there's always people standing outside visiting other businesses. It's a little too in the open for my taste.
I really like the convenience of the spas, but it seems to be difficult to find what I'm looking for. Looking for something more than HJ, but not always FS.[/QUOTE]Agreed. You used to be able to get a through TS, good massage, tease and nude handshake at most places. Seems like now it's decent rub or straight to FS. Nothing in between.
Came across this ad for Annie. Not a local number so could be fake. Would love to try out that TS though!
[URL]https://charlotte.rubmd.com/17b895cc-ae20-41fa-acd3-cc7c315c20fe[/URL]
No real hits on her number other than when she was advertising in Tampa and here on RR.
[QUOTE=JackDroxFourMe;5804897]Came across this ad for Annie. Not a local number so could be fake. Would love to try out that TS though!
[URL]https://charlotte.rubmd.com/17b895cc-ae20-41fa-acd3-cc7c315c20fe[/URL][/QUOTE].
[QUOTE=JackDroxFourMe;5804861]Agreed. You used to be able to get a through TS, good massage, tease and nude handshake at most places. Seems like now it's decent rub or straight to FS. Nothing in between.[/QUOTE]That is exactly what I am looking for next week. Been laying low for the past bit but and TS, massage, and handshake seems like a great way to ease back in. I've seen this one offer massage sessions but haven't found any real reviews on here. [URL]https://charlotte.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/live-in-person-toyshow/189719628507[/URL].
Also seen the "Pineville soccer mom" ads but no data on her either.
In the past I always did well with Kyoto and Perfect 10 but wanted to look around more this visit.
That fake ad has been around for quite awhile. The pics are Brandi Love (MILF porn star). Don't know if you will get any service but it won't be from the woman in the pics.
[QUOTE=JackDroxFourMe;5804897]Came across this ad for Annie. Not a local number so could be fake. Would love to try out that TS though!
[URL]https://charlotte.rubmd.com/17b895cc-ae20-41fa-acd3-cc7c315c20fe[/URL][/QUOTE]
Stopped in recently and greeted by new "girl" Deluxe. Yes, that's what she said. (Nee Nee is away apparently.) Very limited English. Short, chubby, older (50 ish), nice natural rack, although she was shy about me roaming there. Decent massage with no teasing. (Nee Nee's massage is better.) Flipped. Showed her hand where more attention was needed. Asked "how much tip?" I pointed to my mouth thinking maybe she would provide same extras as the departed Linda, but wouldn't for the 60 I had in my pocket. (Worth a try.) Competently performed standard service. I'd see her again if there were no better options, but fortunately there are.
Ran into an old favorite at Le Aqua. Miriam was known as Krissy / Chrissy at Nice Spa. Put on a few pounds, but still a sensual MILF. Some surgical scars on chest and stomach, but not a distraction. Menu is more limited than at Nice, but she's still plenty of fun. Glad she resurfaced.
[QUOTE=BrokeBad;5806733]Stopped in recently and greeted by new "girl" Deluxe. Yes, that's what she said. (Nee Nee is away apparently.) Very limited English. Short, chubby, older (50 ish), nice natural rack, although she was shy about me roaming there. Decent massage with no teasing. (Nee Nee's massage is better.) Flipped. Showed her hand where more attention was needed. Asked "how much tip?" I pointed to my mouth thinking maybe she would provide same extras as the departed Linda, but wouldn't for the 60 I had in my pocket. (Worth a try.) Competently performed standard service. I'd see her again if there were no better options, but fortunately there are.[/QUOTE]I hate that LInda left or was told to leave. The new woman (Wendy?) gives a good massage but it was just boring. Neenee always gives a great massage with teasing but I'm always looking for extra and she doesn't seem to crack. Sadly I think its time to venture out. Was always the best bang for the buck.
[QUOTE=BrokeBad;5806739]Ran into an old favorite at Le Aqua. Miriam was known as Krissy / Chrissy at Nice Spa. Put on a few pounds, but still a sensual MILF. Some surgical scars on chest and stomach, but not a distraction. Menu is more limited than at Nice, but she's still plenty of fun. Glad she resurfaced.[/QUOTE]Le Aqua Miriam was known as Krissy / Chrissy at Nice Spa.
No shit! Man, she was the best spa sex I've ever had when she was at Nice. We fucked 50 ways from Sunday. Lost track of her after she went for her mommy makeover in FL & had complications from that. I never got to see the results. I thought she was pretty down to earth & sweet. I will have to see her at Le Aqua, but I'm sure the menu is very limited. Thank you for the post.
[QUOTE=WetAssPussy;5807359]Le Aqua Miriam was known as Krissy / Chrissy at Nice Spa.
No shit! Man, she was the best spa sex I've ever had when she was at Nice. We fucked 50 ways from Sunday. Lost track of her after she went for her mommy makeover in FL & had complications from that. I never got to see the results. I thought she was pretty down to earth & sweet. I will have to see her at Le Aqua, but I'm sure the menu is very limited. Thank you for the post.[/QUOTE]Just met her and had a great time! She asked for discretion so I will honor that. Will def repeat. I did not ask her about them, but she does have some impressive scars. Implants on the rack but the booty is nice and jiggly, long black hair and pleasnt personality. The place is not cheap so I'm glad that she only works a few days a week.
Saw rose. I thought she said lowes but based on what I'm seeing in the forum it's got to be rose. . 6 for the room and $1. 4 tip for the works. She definitely high volume. Once she cleaned me up she ran into another room of a person that just showed up. Good time though with an adequate massage.
So the Victoria that's there. I don't think that's the same Victoria I remember. Old one was like a super hot blonde, this one is ok but really tatted up. She may have worked there in the past but not who I was thinking of. Ariel is fun though. Nice chick, decent appearance if you like them thick.
Had a few minutes and stopped by that one place. Nothing special there. Basic massage and handshake. 60 at the door and a 40 on the way out.
[QUOTE=OCW110;5811252]Saw rose. I thought she said lowes but based on what I'm seeing in the forum it's got to be rose. . 6 for the room and $1. 4 tip for the works. She definitely high volume. Once she cleaned me up she ran into another room of a person that just showed up. Good time though with an adequate massage.[/QUOTE]Sent you a PM.
[QUOTE=AmpInsane;5813146]Had a few minutes and stopped by that one place. Nothing special there. Basic massage and handshake. 60 at the door and a 40 on the way out.[/QUOTE]Interesting, This is typically a FS place. A handshake is usually offered for twice that if at all. Guess you got lucky, must be slowing down.
[QUOTE=ReviewDork;5813950]Interesting, This is typically a FS place. A handshake is usually offered for twice that if at all. Guess you got lucky, must be slowing down.[/QUOTE]I certainly didn't make any new friends there. Didn't want to blow it up too bad on here but I don't see myself heading back that way.
[QUOTE=ReviewDork;5813950]Interesting, This is typically a FS place. A handshake is usually offered for twice that if at all. Guess you got lucky, must be slowing down.[/QUOTE]Do you think he's taking about One Spa or somewhere else. That review doesn't fit One Spa. If it is he couldn't have had a good experience.
[QUOTE=AmpInsane;5814617]I certainly didn't make any new friends there. Didn't want to blow it up too bad on here but I don't see myself heading back that way.[/QUOTE]Are you talking about One Spa in North Charlotte or a different place?
[QUOTE=HDLover;5814627]Do you think he's taking about One Spa or somewhere else. That review doesn't fit One Spa. If it is he couldn't have had a good experience.[/QUOTE]Yeah not sure. I'll ask. Things change but that does not fit from my experience.
[QUOTE=OCW110;5811252]Saw rose. I thought she said lowes but based on what I'm seeing in the forum it's got to be rose. . 6 for the room and $1. 4 tip for the works. She definitely high volume. Once she cleaned me up she ran into another room of a person that just showed up. Good time though with an adequate massage.[/QUOTE]I saw Rose and had a great time. Last year wasn't there another Rose? The one I remember seems to be stockier.
I have actually been meaning to write a report on her. Can actually comment on service because I never made it inside. Her ad says 200 for run with BBBJ, but when I get to the bank she sent me too (coincidence that she sent me to a bank?) she texts me "it's $400" I told her your ad said $200 for run with BBBJ, she said "best I can do is 220" seemed a little sketchy but I was already close anyway she texts back ".
Go to the convenient store across the street and buy me a 2 liter orange soda" ok pain in the ass but I am already stopped so I go get the soda, but as I pull out of the convenient store inotice a car follow me, the car followed me all the way to her house and while I drove past the spot she told me to park in the guy parked 2 spots down and just sat in his car like eh was waiting for something, I figured I would do a quick circle and see if the guy gets out and goes inside somewhere, but when I came back the guy was still sitting there eyeballing me as I drove by. I texted her and told her that just seemed too sketchy and I wasnt coming in that's when the crazy came out, first she said I wasted her time then she sent a text sayign don't bother coming you wasted my time, more texts basically calling me every name int he book, then after like 10 of those she sends me a text saying "so are you coming? I was already half way home at that point, Thats when she called me and started whining and crying about "the only reason I asked you to get me a soda was so I would know if you were a cop or not cause cops can't buy soda" (never heard that one before) told her nice try but I am already halfway home, told her "maybe your are legit but I have done this long enough to know when you get that gut feeling telling you to pass, trust it and pass.
[QUOTE=AmpInsane;5804991]That is exactly what I am looking for next week. Been laying low for the past bit but and TS, massage, and handshake seems like a great way to ease back in. I've seen this one offer massage sessions but haven't found any real reviews on here. [URL]https://charlotte.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/live-in-person-toyshow/189719628507[/URL].
Also seen the "Pineville soccer mom" ads but no data on her either.
In the past I always did well with Kyoto and Perfect 10 but wanted to look around more this visit.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ConcordGuy;5818139]I have actually been meaning to write a report on her. Can actually comment on service because I never made it inside. Her ad says 200 for run with BBBJ, but when I get to the bank she sent me too (coincidence that she sent me to a bank?) she texts me "it's $400" I told her your ad said $200 for run with BBBJ, she said "best I can do is 220" seemed a little sketchy but I was already close anyway she texts back ".
Go to the convenient store across the street and buy me a 2 liter orange soda" ok pain in the ass but I am already stopped so I go get the soda, but as I pull out of the convenient store inotice a car follow me, the car followed me all the way to her house and while I drove past the spot she told me to park in the guy parked 2 spots down and just sat in his car like eh was waiting for something, I figured I would do a quick circle and see if the guy gets out and goes inside somewhere, but when I came back the guy was still sitting there eyeballing me as I drove by. I texted her and told her that just seemed too sketchy and I wasnt coming in that's when the crazy came out, first she said I wasted her time then she sent a text sayign don't bother coming you wasted my time, more texts basically calling me every name int he book, then after like 10 of those she sends me a text saying "so are you coming? I was already half way home at that point, Thats when she called me and started whining and crying about "the only reason I asked you to get me a soda was so I would know if you were a cop or not cause cops can't buy soda" (never heard that one before) told her nice try but I am already halfway home, told her "maybe your are legit but I have done this long enough to know when you get that gut feeling telling you to pass, trust it and pass.[/QUOTE]You did the right thing by leaving. Sounds like you were about to be rolled. Hey, at least you got some orange soda out of it.
I have been tempted to try this one out seeing if anyone has any intel? Seems like she may work with some other girls (ads are similar all posted around the same time and all say "ask about the milking table".
Ember.
[URL]https://www.adultlook.com/p/3205229[/URL]
This is one of the girls who posts with her.
Sam.
[URL]https://www.adultlook.com/p/3100116[/URL]
[URL]https://queencityentertainment.net/our-girls/[/URL]
Search Ember on here and starts on page 3.
[QUOTE=ConcordGuy;5818186]I have been tempted to try this one out seeing if anyone has any intel? Seems like she may work with some other girls (ads are similar all posted around the same time and all say "ask about the milking table".
Ember.
[URL]https://www.adultlook.com/p/3205229[/URL]
This is one of the girls who posts with her.
Sam.
[URL]https://www.adultlook.com/p/3100116[/URL][/QUOTE].
You did yourself a favor. She's been reported on in the Escort Report thread. Most of those pics aren't even her.
[QUOTE=ConcordGuy;5818139]I have actually been meaning to write a report on her. Can actually comment on service because I never made it inside. Her ad says 200 for run with BBBJ, but when I get to the bank she sent me too (coincidence that she sent me to a bank?) she texts me "it's $400" I told her your ad said $200 for run with BBBJ, she said "best I can do is 220" seemed a little sketchy but I was already close anyway she texts back ".
Go to the convenient store across the street and buy me a 2 liter orange soda" ok pain in the ass but I am already stopped so I go get the soda, but as I pull out of the convenient store inotice a car follow me, the car followed me all the way to her house and while I drove past the spot she told me to park in the guy parked 2 spots down and just sat in his car like eh was waiting for something, I figured I would do a quick circle and see if the guy gets out and goes inside somewhere, but when I came back the guy was still sitting there eyeballing me as I drove by. I texted her and told her that just seemed too sketchy and I wasnt coming in that's when the crazy came out, first she said I wasted her time then she sent a text sayign don't bother coming you wasted my time, more texts basically calling me every name int he book, then after like 10 of those she sends me a text saying "so are you coming? I was already half way home at that point, Thats when she called me and started whining and crying about "the only reason I asked you to get me a soda was so I would know if you were a cop or not cause cops can't buy soda" (never heard that one before) told her nice try but I am already halfway home, told her "maybe your are legit but I have done this long enough to know when you get that gut feeling telling you to pass, trust it and pass.[/QUOTE]
I tried to book with her once and I got the bullshit runaround too. She was a lot cheaper then. Like 100 for a half. She seems to be more trouble than she is worth and batshit crazy too.
[QUOTE=ConcordGuy;5818139]I have actually been meaning to write a report on her. Can actually comment on service because I never made it inside. Her ad says 200 for run with BBBJ, but when I get to the bank she sent me too (coincidence that she sent me to a bank?) she texts me "it's $400" I told her your ad said $200 for run with BBBJ, she said "best I can do is 220" seemed a little sketchy but I was already close anyway she texts back ".
Go to the convenient store across the street and buy me a 2 liter orange soda" ok pain in the ass but I am already stopped so I go get the soda, but as I pull out of the convenient store inotice a car follow me, the car followed me all the way to her house and while I drove past the spot she told me to park in the guy parked 2 spots down and just sat in his car like eh was waiting for something, I figured I would do a quick circle and see if the guy gets out and goes inside somewhere, but when I came back the guy was still sitting there eyeballing me as I drove by. I texted her and told her that just seemed too sketchy and I wasnt coming in that's when the crazy came out, first she said I wasted her time then she sent a text sayign don't bother coming you wasted my time, more texts basically calling me every name int he book, then after like 10 of those she sends me a text saying "so are you coming? I was already half way home at that point, Thats when she called me and started whining and crying about "the only reason I asked you to get me a soda was so I would know if you were a cop or not cause cops can't buy soda" (never heard that one before) told her nice try but I am already halfway home, told her "maybe your are legit but I have done this long enough to know when you get that gut feeling telling you to pass, trust it and pass.[/QUOTE]
Stopped in this week to check on any new talent and the same older lady was still there. She said come back because she was busy so that made it easy to decline. Left there and hit Nichole's and busy also. I'm not the type to sit in the corner and wait. Left there to 3429. Wendy answered to door and I had seen her before so stayed for the hour. She had been reported on before only wanting to do hh but she was good for the hour. I actually like her massage and she had no problems with over and under roaming. She did ask for more tip to drop the pants but really didn't have any interest. I will continue to see her when available for the massage and a little extras to see what happens. A previous monger reported that she didn't like hour massage's and didn't like being there but I didn't get any feeling of that at all. Maybe I catch her when she is in a good mood or maybe we just click.
Stopped by this afternoon for stress relief.
Been going by there for 1 yr+ normal rotation of Chinese and Korean Young ladies.
Good / Standard massage checks the boys to see if want to play. On the flip right to it, if she is comfortable with you (or your tip history).
Determines how much touching. I usually am allowed to roam anywhere, few BBJ Kisses to start (on birthdays).
Cleans up and finish massage.
$60 for the Hour $40-50 for the play.
Not a FS place and if new may need a visit or two to get the goods, but usually play nice and they do too.
I spent a nice hour with Chanel. 80 door fee for the hour. TS was good and thorough with a fair bit of play with junior. Chanel commented, "Nice" on length and girth. I know I'm in for a decent time. Massage was actually pretty good. I asked for hard and got medium, but she was thorough. What do you want she asks. I proposed BBFS and laughed, she said no so we settled on CFS. MPOS CFS ensued with a fair bit of queefing at times. Emptied into to the bag and got my bottle of water for the walk of shame back to car. 80/140. She actually wanted 160 but I had the tip out and ready while she was getting the H2 O. She says 140 for CFS for hh and 160 CFS for h. I didn't budge. Just feigned 140 is good, you should be happy.
I went to an AMP for the first time in more than five years on Friday. Uptick of costs for Indies and downgrade in talent had me scratching an old itch at Comfort Spa. For what I'm looking for — good massage, no hassle, HE — this was probably my best-ever visit in Charlotte.
Comfort is off a busy street but I felt secure walking in. My one miss: it's been a while so I forgot to get a name of my attendant. She was kind and certainly an older woman. My understanding is that's the norm there.
Grabbed a table shower, which was perfectly warm and plenty of attention to Juniors region. Back in for a medium massage that was well above average and very light on the oil. Light touch toward the end, flip, no hassle and right to work with an above average HE. Only slight knock: the over-acted "yes! Yes!" As she was finishing me off.
Still had 10 minutes and after cleaning me up she turned me back over for some more work on the legs. Watched her clean the table after as I got dressed, which I appreciate in these times. Water and out the door.
I paid for an hour and spent exactly an hour in the building, spoke maybe 30 total words and felt attended to and taken care. An extra. 1 for the tip made it. 8 and. 5.
[QUOTE=JoeyEye;5822435]I spent a nice hour with Chanel. 80 door fee for the hour. TS was good and thorough with a fair bit of play with junior. Chanel commented, "Nice" on length and girth. I know I'm in for a decent time. Massage was actually pretty good. I asked for hard and got medium, but she was thorough. What do you want she asks. I proposed BBFS and laughed, she said no so we settled on CFS. MPOS CFS ensued with a fair bit of queefing at times. Emptied into to the bag and got my bottle of water for the walk of shame back to car. 80/140. She actually wanted 160 but I had the tip out and ready while she was getting the H2 O. She says 140 for CFS for hh and 160 CFS for h. I didn't budge. Just feigned 140 is good, you should be happy.[/QUOTE]Seems like the AMPs are trying to raise their prices too.
I was around the area last Thursday and decided to go to One, when I got there there were a lot of cars in parking lot but I noticed people going to the nearby business so I decided to go in anyway, I ran the bell and a pretty girl in her late 20's let me in she asked me if I've been there before I said no, first time but she kept looking at me and saying you here before I said ok, I ask her name she said Sexy and will admit she is freaking sexy about 5'7" 130 nice tan skin B naturals, she asked for $60 house fee and 140 tip but I wanted a TS and one hour she said 80 but only 45 minutes, so gave her the extra 20, got to the TS and I was feeling her ass and all over she was cool with it, TS was pretty quick not much teasing, dry me off and on the way to the room I kept grabbing her ass she was fun, I got on the table she came back and the dress came off she has a nice body, she got on my back and a few kisses and body slide for a couple of minutes then at the flip she put the cover on and give CBJ for a couple of minutes lick my balls too and then she got or her back for Mish and the K9 and I couldn't hold it for too long looking and grabbing her ass it was a nice view out the door in about 30 minutes no massage but it was good anyway, I will comeback to see what else is available or I'll be happy to see Sexy again.