Why do so many girls prefer not to see black guys?
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Why do so many girls prefer not to see black guys?
Had this wild dream where I stopped in at jens the other day on a break between classes, accosted by rancid, putrid, overweight white girl with red streaks in her quickly greying hair, allowed her the pleasure of grinding on me, where she encouraged me to fb he, big deal though. The highlight was 1 song later when I was approached by another dancer, black. 5'2, can't recall her name, she's cute and has a curvy body but not thick or beached whale by any means. She danced for me on the floor for all of thirty seconds when it became apparent to both of us going in the private would suit this experience much better. I took her in back for 2 songs of ecstasy- bbhj (amidointhisrite?) bbtf (eh?) and lots of nipple play. More fb'ing and all sorts of kink. Worth every penny of the. 36 nah mean?
I've been lurking this site for what must be 7 years, registered as johniam at least that long ago, account was deactivated I guess. Now it's time to get busy so I can get this whole senior thing under way (current life has made certain activities far riskier. And not worth the leos bullshit). Oh, this broad gave me her take out number, but I haven't hit her up yet, so if you are interested in that you will have to give me a week or so to try it out for myself. What a crazy dream.
[QUOTE=BumLick1;1536982]Why do so many girls prefer not to see black guys?[/QUOTE]Why do girls not want to be treated like crap?
Was that your question?
[QUOTE=BumLick1;1536982]Why do so many girls prefer not to see black guys?[/QUOTE]Ask them. I did. The answer really isn't that surprising.
Visited a few nights ago. Have passed by the place many times, never really seemed like anything going on. But the other night, parking lot was packed. Decided to stop and check things out.
I will tell you this, if you aren't a smoker, or have to answer for "smelling like smoke" I would stay away from this place. I have never smoked in my life, and not that it bothers me, but I wouldn't be surprised if I get diagnosed soon with lung cancer. (LOL)
5. 0 dollars at the door for cover, but as others have stated, they give it right back to you in the form of two drink tickets. Liquor is actually pretty reasonable there. I don't do beer, so that is a plus for me.
I did finally enjoy a few dances, they were both from dancers named "nikki", one was very grabby, the little guy seemed to enjoy himself. They definitely work for the VIP up sell. I didn't partake, but thanked them for the welcome invitation.
Another dancer was talking to me before I left, and offered me a BJ for $, based on her looks and dental hygiene, I decided to pass.
There was a bit of a thug element at the place, but that usually doesn't bother me, I can hold my own, and generally people don't mess with me. (I have been told I look like a cop, which in a strip club is a double edge sword. No one messes with me, but the girls are generally very shy at first.)
Other than needing a shower and a change of clothes when I left due to smelling like the marlboro man, it was an enjoyable experience.
Good luck and stay safe out there.
Dr.
[QUOTE=Zeerfdog;1537293]Ask them. I did. The answer really isn't that surprising.[/QUOTE]Too demanding? Rough? Something you don't want? I've never been w / one who didn't like black guys but was just curious.
Was in Akron on Saturday night and stopped by jens. Katie, a fairly new young dancer approached me about some five dollar dances. After two I commented she was quite a tease. Next thing I know she is whispering she will blow me for 80 in the back. I tell her all I have is seventy and she says fine lets go. Now we are back there alone and she is doing a great job and I manage to last three songs. When I get up I say here is your seventy and then problems start. Katie now says I owe her for the 3 songs also at 20 a pop. I laugh and let her know it was not part of the deal. She then proceeds to tell me it will be another 20 on top of that because my dick was in her throat when I came and she swallowed my cum. LOL. Again not part of the deal. So I remind her all I have is seventy and if she is going to cause a problem I will just leave with my money. This is where the fun starts. She tells the bouncer that she sucked my dick and I don't want to pay her for it. I politely laugh and say we were back there for 3 songs which he confirms and at 15 a song which is what the sign said above the VIP I owe 45 bucks. 15 of which goes to the club. So Katie ended up eating a load for thirty bucks when she could have made more if she just kept her mouth shut after she swallowed. The strangest part of the night wasant the ROB bitc! Katie it was that th we bouncer didn't bat an eye when she told him she blew me!
[QUOTE=Hayler;1541379]Was in Akron on Saturday night and stopped by jens. Katie, a fairly new young dancer approached me about some five dollar dances. After two I commented she was quite a tease. Next thing I know she is whispering she will blow me for 80 in the back. I tell her all I have is seventy and she says fine lets go. Now we are back there alone and she is doing a great job and I manage to last three songs. When I get up I say here is your seventy and then problems start. Katie now says I owe her for the 3 songs also at 20 a pop. I laugh and let her know it was not part of the deal. She then proceeds to tell me it will be another 20 on top of that because my dick was in her throat when I came and she swallowed my cum. LOL. Again not part of the deal. So I remind her all I have is seventy and if she is going to cause a problem I will just leave with my money. This is where the fun starts. She tells the bouncer that she sucked my dick and I don't want to pay her for it. I politely laugh and say we were back there for 3 songs which he confirms and at 15 a song which is what the sign said above the VIP I owe 45 bucks. 15 of which goes to the club. So Katie ended up eating a load for thirty bucks when she could have made more if she just kept her mouth shut after she swallowed. The strangest part of the night wasant the ROB bitc! Katie it was that th we bouncer didn't bat an eye when she told him she blew me![/QUOTE]I do believe I'm going to check this out myself. Thanks for the info
[QUOTE=Hayler;1541379]Was in Akron on Saturday night and stopped by jens. Katie, a fairly new young dancer approached me about some five dollar dances. After two I commented she was quite a tease. Next thing I know she is whispering she will blow me for 80 in the back. I tell her all I have is seventy and she says fine lets go. Now we are back there alone and she is doing a great job and I manage to last three songs. When I get up I say here is your seventy and then problems start. Katie now says I owe her for the 3 songs also at 20 a pop. I laugh and let her know it was not part of the deal. She then proceeds to tell me it will be another 20 on top of that because my dick was in her throat when I came and she swallowed my cum. LOL. Again not part of the deal. So I remind her all I have is seventy and if she is going to cause a problem I will just leave with my money. This is where the fun starts. She tells the bouncer that she sucked my dick and I don't want to pay her for it. I politely laugh and say we were back there for 3 songs which he confirms and at 15 a song which is what the sign said above the VIP I owe 45 bucks. 15 of which goes to the club. So Katie ended up eating a load for thirty bucks when she could have made more if she just kept her mouth shut after she swallowed. The strangest part of the night wasant the ROB bitc! Katie it was that th we bouncer didn't bat an eye when she told him she blew me![/QUOTE]What a great story! We should put her in charge of the national debt. She would have that whittled down to nothing in a heartbeat.
[QUOTE=Hayler;1541379]Was in Akron on Saturday night and stopped by jens. Katie, a fairly new young dancer approached me about some five dollar dances. After two I commented she was quite a tease. Next thing I know she is whispering she will blow me for 80 in the back. I tell her all I have is seventy and she says fine lets go. Now we are back there alone and she is doing a great job and I manage to last three songs. When I get up I say here is your seventy and then problems start. Katie now says I owe her for the 3 songs also at 20 a pop. I laugh and let her know it was not part of the deal. She then proceeds to tell me it will be another 20 on top of that because my dick was in her throat when I came and she swallowed my cum. LOL. Again not part of the deal. So I remind her all I have is seventy and if she is going to cause a problem I will just leave with my money. This is where the fun starts. She tells the bouncer that she sucked my dick and I don't want to pay her for it. I politely laugh and say we were back there for 3 songs which he confirms and at 15 a song which is what the sign said above the VIP I owe 45 bucks. 15 of which goes to the club. So Katie ended up eating a load for thirty bucks when she could have made more if she just kept her mouth shut after she swallowed. The strangest part of the night wasant the ROB bitc! Katie it was that th we bouncer didn't bat an eye when she told him she blew me![/QUOTE]The place is a whorehouse, most of the girls fuck in the VIP in addition to the BJ's.
Everybody is in on it, just be glad the shithead bouncer did not try to shake you down the way the dancer did. Back in the day, the bouncer / song counter would tack on a few songs to your total, regardless of what happened in the back.
Hit Jens around 8 and there were more young, thin white dancers than I've seen in the past. The dancer / customer ratio was 1 to 1 at the worst and most of the time it seemed like there were more dancers than customers. The girl I was trying to meet for some fun out of the club didn't show so I got a few $5 dances and turned down many invites to the back. I went to the Club to see if she was there instead but there were only 3 dancers and maybe 5 or 6 customers. A very hot blonde (Emily) took me to the back and I finished in the pants in 3 songs. This girl worked it and I enjoyed her amazingly firm tits and ass. The weird thing is that she could tell I was really enjoying myself and asked me to tell her if I was going to cum. I got lost in the moment and didn't warn her and when she could tell I was finishing she jumped up. I guess she assumed I had super sperm that could go through my underwear, pants and her bottom and then swim like a salmon going upstream to get her eggs.
I went back to Jens, just to see and my contact never showed but the quality of dancers dropped. I would try to get there before 9 or 10 for the better girls. Also H is now the drug of choice and that means I would be even more carefull with any bareback in the backroom.
So I have been to Jens Den several times but the only VIP area I know is the back room with all the couches lining the walls. Reading the posts on here of guys who have gotten more than a lap dance it almost sounds like there's an additional VIP room that's more private? Can anyone tell me if this is correct? Any "code words" used to get back there? If not are these guys getting "extras" in the more public VIP area?
Thanks!
[QUOTE=ApDeuce; 1543379]So I have been to Jens Den several times but the only VIP area I know is the back room with all the couches lining the walls. Reading the posts on here of guys who have gotten more than a lap dance it almost sounds like there's an additional VIP room that's more private? Can anyone tell me if this is correct? Any "code words" used to get back there? If not are these guys getting "extras" in the more public VIP area?
Thanks![/QUOTE]You might want to avoid that scene, you're probably way out of your comfort zone. Gauging from your previous posts, you might want to start with escorts before moving to such a public venue. Or if your heart is set on a VIP stripper encounter, try the "code words"-"I'm a cop". See how that goes for you.
[QUOTE=ApDeuce; 1543379]So I have been to Jens Den several times but the only VIP area I know is the back room with all the couches lining the walls. Reading the posts on here of guys who have gotten more than a lap dance it almost sounds like there's an additional VIP room that's more private? Can anyone tell me if this is correct? Any "code words" used to get back there? If not are these guys getting "extras" in the more public VIP area?
Thanks![/QUOTE]
It's just the regular VIP room. It's a big, open area, separated from the rest of the place by a curtain.
The only people who can see what is going on are the other customers back there. If you are getting extras, chances are they are as well, so nobody really cares. It can be awkward if the girl on the couch next you is giving head, but you just have to focus on your chick. LOL.
The bouncers and dancers know what goes on back there, again, it's the worst kept secret in Akron.
There really aren't any code words, just make exactly sure you and the girl have an agreement about what you will get, and how much it will cost.
If she tries the old "let's talk about it in the VIP" do NOT spend another nickel on her. It's the oldest trick in the book, and nothing will happen other than you getting ripped off.
Always count out loud what song you are on after each song.” That was one song, let's make it two". If you don't, the girl will lie and the bouncer will swear to it.
I went to meet a girl for some outside fun. She didn't show. It wasn't a hard agreement, just a "I'll be back Saturday and we can get a room". So I stayed for a few dances. I got a lot of offers for back room fun. Unfortunatly the best looking didn't want to do more than dance and grind. I did get another agreement from an old friend for a trip to a room and then she got the "oh shit" look on her face and said,"I just remembered I'm on my period". Well, I was 0-2 in the getting laid department so I gave up. There were a few nice looking girls and of course the grab and grind factor is very high. I got some very nice dances from a girl that said she just got here from Arizona. I think she said her name was Felecia (spelling?). Thin, dark hair and very beautiful face. She gave the slow sexy dance I love. Almost laying on you while one hand plays with your hair and back of your neck and the other explores between your legs. I almost lost control right at the bar. Later I took Anna to the back and did bust a nut in 2 songs while playing with her firm titties while she jacked me through my pants. I know kind of lame for the activities that go on at Jens but I was actually kind of turned off by the skanks offering back room BJ's 30 seconds into the dance. I had some good old fashioned strip club fun with some cute fun girls and left with most of my cash.
[QUOTE=Bobo2;1543461]You might want to avoid that scene, you're probably way out of your comfort zone. Gauging from your previous posts, you might want to start with escorts before moving to such a public venue. Or if your heart is set on a VIP stripper encounter, try the "code words"-"I'm a cop". See how that goes for you.[/QUOTE]Bobo2, though I do appreciate the sarcasm this isn't my first "rodeo", brotha. I have been dreaming for over a decade now in multiple forms. I was asking specifically about jen's Den not all Strip VIP's in general. If I had then maybe you could "gauge" from a comment that I should maybe "rethink" my choices. But why though? I mean aren't we all here for the same reason? And don't you "senior members" like helping out guys who are seeking the path to righteousness or are you trying to hoard all the action for yourself? I mean Kintaro II came through for me and answered my question with out being patronizing. Just saying man. This is a forum to do research on the hobby right? Or is it just an outlet to patronize and "punk" out all the rookies to the hobby?
Fact is I have had several dreams of FS, BBBJ etc. In VIP areas of strip clubs in the area and abroad. I am no rookie but wouldn't consider myself an expert either. Maybe I should have submitted my resume before posting a question? I was just curious if I was missing something at Jen's! I think your "gauging" ability is a bit rusty and probably needs some work? But that's up to you. Peace!
Relax and ignore those that criticize. There are a couple of guys on this site that just look to criticize and ridicule people for rediculous reasons. If they can't find a reason. Then they just make up a reason. I have been their and now respond to them with a short answer. More people on this site recognize the jerks that criticise than you can imagine. When I get ridiculed, occasionally some will post as I am for you but I usually get 3-5 PM's saying the same thing as I just said to you. Its just many on here are afraid to say anything about idiots that ridicule for fear of becomming a target by the very ones that are so mean and tactless. So, go on posting and ignore those that ridicule or critize your posts. Most people are helpful here or do care about individuals and are helpful in return.
[QUOTE=ApDeuce; 1546785]Bobo2, though I do appreciate the sarcasm this isn't my first "rodeo", brotha. I have been dreaming for over a decade now in multiple forms. I was asking specifically about jen's Den not all Strip VIP's in general. If I had then maybe you could "gauge" from a comment that I should maybe "rethink" my choices. But why though? I mean aren't we all here for the same reason? And don't you "senior members" like helping out guys who are seeking the path to righteousness or are you trying to hoard all the action for yourself? I mean Kintaro II came through for me and answered my question with out being patronizing. Just saying man. This is a forum to do research on the hobby right? Or is it just an outlet to patronize and "punk" out all the rookies to the hobby?
Fact is I have had several dreams of FS, BBBJ etc. In VIP areas of strip clubs in the area and abroad. I am no rookie but wouldn't consider myself an expert either. Maybe I should have submitted my resume before posting a question? I was just curious if I was missing something at Jen's! I think your "gauging" ability is a bit rusty and probably needs some work? But that's up to you. Peace![/QUOTE]One of your posts said you were new to the SW scene. Sorry to make the assumption that you were new to the strip club scene. But if you got FS in a SC in the past, you must realize how ridiculous (correct spelling Lucky) it is to ask about a code word. None of these bubbleheads would ever remember it. Yes, we all are on here for the same reason, but before you get on your high horse and start criticizing because your needs weren't catered to, maybe you should contribute some info, then ask questions. I think my "gauging" is just fine. Another one with more questions than answers.
As for you Lucky, I see your stable of A. H. 's is growing. The common denominator seems to be you. Guess that makes you MOAH. Mother of A. H. 's. Can I call ya Mom? At least the OP wasn't asking about Heather.
I believe the issue is he asked where SW's is located like an SW is some club somewhere. Hardly the sjgn of a 10 year hobbiest from other boards.
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Anybody seen Heather?
Which Heather are you looking for?
The one from the Ole Glory Daze or the blond from Jens Den?
Lusty's.
Had some sisters (no seriously RL sisters) in the VIP. FS while DATY, Defiantly a red letter day.
[QUOTE=Jocol; 1550285]Lusty's.
Had some sisters (no seriously RL sisters) in the VIP. FS while DATY, Defiantly a red letter day.[/QUOTE]I'm sure most people will believe this first post from an unknown member. Especially since it's such a normal, believable story, LOL.
[QUOTE=Jocol; 1550285]Lusty's.
Had some sisters (no seriously RL sisters) in the VIP. FS while DATY, Defiantly a red letter day.[/QUOTE]So where is this place called Lusty's?
Lustys parking lot is on Main St. Across from where the old Firestone Bank was on the corner of Main and Miller Ave.
Good luck.
Hi,
Just in town overnight on biz and feeling like I should drop by this Jen's Den that I have been reading about here. I drove around to get the lay of the land. There are a lot of strip clubs within a stone's throw of Jen's and a massage place to.
A few questions if I may (and I'll be pleased to answer yours if you drop by my neighborhood) :
. Is Jen's the only place that offers "extras" in the VIP room?
. How much does it typically cost (including dances, drinks, etc.) for a trip to the VIP room with extras.
. Is FS standard at the local massage places (like the one near Jen's?)
Thanks guys. If you would rather PM me with some advice, ideas, suggestions, directions, whatever. I would be very grateful.
I really do appreciate any 411 you can share.
JT
[QUOTE=John in Tampa; 1550952]Hi,
Just in town overnight on biz and feeling like I should drop by this Jen's Den that I have been reading about here. I drove around to get the lay of the land. There are a lot of strip clubs within a stone's throw of Jen's and a massage place to.
A few questions if I may (and I'll be pleased to answer yours if you drop by my neighborhood) :
Is Jen's the only place that offers "extras" in the VIP room?
How much does it typically cost (including dances, drinks, etc.) for a trip to the VIP room with extras.
Is FS standard at the local massage places (like the one near Jen's?)
Thanks guys. If you would rather PM me with some advice, ideas, suggestions, directions, whatever. I would be very grateful.
I really do appreciate any 411 you can share.
JT[/QUOTE]Go up the hill from jens and turn left at the light onto Tallmadge Road. You'll pass a place called "club 1245" also known for it's fun backroom. It's not as busy but that can be an advantage. The clubs post a $15 / dance sign but the girls will say it's $20. It's a no-win to argue because if you win, you'll lose in service. Some will do a HJ for an extra 20 or 40, most will say it's $100 for a BJ but you can get it for half that much or a little more. If you got a room most will travel for $100-$150 if you negociate well. You are near the end of the month so some girls will be desperate for cash. Never heard of anyone getting FS at the MP.
Good luck
[QUOTE=Jocol; 1550285]Lusty's.
Had some sisters (no seriously RL sisters) in the VIP. FS while DATY, Defiantly a red letter day.[/QUOTE]Did you raw dog it, or did they make you wear a cover?
[QUOTE=Jocol; 1550285]Lusty's.
Had some sisters (no seriously RL sisters) in the VIP. FS while DATY, Defiantly a red letter day.[/QUOTE]What time of day might that be and what might be their names? PM if you like.
[QUOTE=Zauber; 1551000]Go up the hill from jens and turn left at the light onto Tallmadge Road. You'll pass a place called "club 1245" also known for it's fun backroom. It's not as busy but that can be an advantage. The clubs post a $15 / dance sign but the girls will say it's $20. It's a no-win to argue because if you win, you'll lose in service. Some will do a HJ for an extra 20 or 40, most will say it's $100 for a BJ but you can get it for half that much or a little more. If you got a room most will travel for $100-$150 if you negociate well. You are near the end of the month so some girls will be desperate for cash. Never heard of anyone getting FS at the MP.
Good luck[/QUOTE]Thank you kindly for the information. I really appreciate it.
JT
What day and time? What were their names?
[QUOTE=Jocol; 1550285]Lusty's.
Had some sisters (no seriously RL sisters) in the VIP. FS while DATY, Defiantly a red letter day.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Spa Lunker;1550449]I'm sure most people will believe this first post from an unknown member. Especially since it's such a normal, believable story, LOL.[/QUOTE]I have no way of proving they are actually RL sisters, but they say they are, and they certainly look and act like they are. One's name is Melinda, I forget the others name. I have been offered the duo as well, but funds at the time didn't allow it. Both girls are fairly cute in the face, I would give them an 8. 5'5".5'7" brunettes. Their bodies, could stand a few less late night trips to Taco Bell, but still look good. I think there were recent kids involved, and I believe Melinda said she was PG. For those that don't care to search previous posts. Lusty's is at the corner of Main and Miller. Across form the Firestone service center and next to a Churches Chicken. If you are heading into town, and it becomes a one way street, you have just missed it. It is pretty ghetto, and they ask for a $5 cover, but you get two tickets for either two beers or 1 cocktail. The girls range from effin scary to a solid 8-9. I've only been after 8pm and there has always been a wide selection of girls. There are two VIPs and both are private enough to do what needs doing. Extras are there for the asking, and to be perfectly honest I've never had to ask. Like I said it's pretty much a ghetto hole in the wall, but I have never seen any problems there and everybody there has been friendly.
I know they got busted a while back.
Any options still there?
Looking for something local, and they are just a hop away.
[QUOTE=Terak0306; 1555384]I know they got busted a while back.
Any options still there?
Looking for something local, and they are just a hop away.[/QUOTE]If your talking about the Desire's in the Falls, then there is The Happening right around the corner. It's on State St. Just south of Broad Blvd. If coming from Broad it will be on your right across from McD's. Nice place, it's more of a local bar with girls in their underwear rather than a strip club, but there are some good looking girls there and friendly staff and good prices. There is no VIP room, but take out is available for the asking.
If you are talking Desire's in Barberton, sorry nope nothing close by that I know of.
Had a dream that I stopped into Georgie's over the weekend. A blond girl (24-26) took me in the back and gave me a BBBJ. Now, the girl was fairly attractive, but her BJ skills were lacking. I felt like she was going to skin me alive. After two songs I stopped her, payed her for the two songs (plus a little tip) and then walked across the street to Jen's Den. Got a few dances, but nothing that really interested me enough. Went home without the fireworks I was looking for. Maybe next time.
Went to lustys yesterday right when they opened, two dancers there. On a brunette in a pink body stocking a 6, and a blonde in black an 8. I got lap dances from both but only the pink grabbed a handful so I took her in the back. BBBJ no CIM cost me about. 50 after 3 songs. Spent about. 15 on the floor feeling them out. Not too bad all in all.
Hit a lot of places last night from 11:30 to 2:30.
1245: One hot brunette girl (Via) that was busy with regulars but her dances were lack luster from what I could see anyway. Another brunette with a cute face but a big ass. The rest were dog meat and weren't making up for looks with service.
Georgies: Fat dancers, fat bartender, fat patrons. Seriously looked like a weight watchers meeting.
Lustys: Nothing but fatties, toothless hags and starting to look not so young anymore, young Jen.
CW's: Same as Lusty's without young Jen.
There were a lot of hot, friendly girls in the clubs until a month or so ago. Where have they run off to? They'll be back soon. The holidays are just around the corner
[QUOTE=Monaco GP; 1564601]Hit a lot of places last night from 11:30 to 2:30.
1245: One hot brunette girl (Via) that was busy with regulars but her dances were lack luster from what I could see anyway. Another brunette with a cute face but a big ass. The rest were dog meat and weren't making up for looks with service.
Georgies: Fat dancers, fat bartender, fat patrons. Seriously looked like a weight watchers meeting.
Lustys: Nothing but fatties, toothless hags and starting to look not so young anymore, young Jen.
CW's: Same as Lusty's without young Jen.
There were a lot of hot, friendly girls in the clubs until a month or so ago. Where have they run off to? They'll be back soon. The holidays are just around the corner[/QUOTE]It's been a steady decline in Akron for years now. I stopped into Gatsby's in Akron a few weeks ago, the pickens were so slim and the experience so poor I didn't even bother to write about it. From there Bottoms Up, Akron's official retirement home for strippers. Some of those girls were decent looking years ago, but that train has left the station, so to speak.
What was up with Jen at Lusty's? Have the drugs taken their toll, or did she gain weight? I'm referring to the notorious one who wears wigs, and who has bolt-ons.
Getting a little spoiled, maybe, with regular visits to Jen's Den, where they should adopt the catchphrase "More Friction For Less" to describe their dancers' VIP moves. Ventured out to Ole Glory Days and Lusty's for change of pace last Friday. Got a few VIP dances from Sharon at OGD (she is a slender, and very sexy redhead, probably a 8. 5 by Akron standards) although breast lovers need not apply) , and she was very sensual, but very limited hand contact and grinding. Popped into Lusty's on my way home, and got a few VIP dances from Kristina, plainly the best looking gal working at the time, but that ain't saying much; she was still LEO checking me on my third dance, complaining about my hands, and generally providing below average dances (won't go back to Lusty's again) first time I ever went private dance there, and disappointing). Sticking with the Jen's ladies until further notice.