The Provacateur and The Baroness
She has been discussed several times before and used to go by "The Baroness". Crazy GPS that is really hard to understand. She has been doing the same stupid stuff for years, claims to be a keynote speaker at the Sugar Baby forum and all.
She is well below the quality of any of my past SB and an order of magnitude more expensive.
Run far, run fast!
[QUOTE=BStreet;3938510]The Provocateur [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/aa8821d9-de5d-4e4a-bd40-010a3153e395[/URL].
Been messaging because she kept messaging me so I decided, what the hell, let's see what she is about. I figured she is so full of herself, probably not having a lot of luck and probably wants some like the rest of us. So was going to meet this week, till she of course says my allowance is way too low and she usually gets $1000-$5000 per visit! Well that was a quick bye, but really. She acts like she is so successful, doesn't need the money, and wants an arrangement based on chemistry and respect. Sounds to me like it's about the money. Oh well, kind of figured it was going to go that way.[/QUOTE]
SA being invaded with flakes, scammers and time wasters
Hey brothers. I also posted this in the Atlanta thread, but curious to hear your thoughts as well.
Let me be clear. There are plenty of gems still on the site, but the amount of time I have invested this go round weeding out flakes and scammers has been insane. By now most veterans know the rules to spot the spammers and old BP pros (talk of time limits, in town for only one night, send me money before meeting, can you cover my gas money, my mother is having a major surgery, blah blah).
But what are some other methods you guys are using to weed out the flakes and scammers?
For me. I have started to ignore females with only one picture on their profile! Sure I might be missing out on some goodies. But what woman you know is comfortable with just ONE pic of themselves. On a dating app with plenty of competition? My experience has been. Mostly. That these one-picture girls have one foot in and one foot out. Not really seeking anything quickly and prefer a lot of back and forth dialogue over 5-6 days.
Be safe. Ripper.
Did you read her profile?
[QUOTE=TheMarto1;3937356]For all those of you that like give money away without playtime.[/QUOTE]Says pretty clearly that she doesn't want to date. What's confusing about it?
Viewing messages without premium
I'm a programmer, and I spend a good portion of my time doing web development. I've noted that SA has been rewriting portions of their site from a traditional "click link, wait for server return the new page" style to a "single-page application" approach. Turns out that due to some rather silly programming choices on their part, it's actually possible to view the text content of messages even if you don't have premium time enabled.
It involves opening up your browser's "development tools" window so you can inspect the contents of the page and the data being requested, and should work in either Chrome or Firefox.
Log in to SA and go to your inbox. Right-click anywhere on the page and choose "Inspect Element". The browser's dev tools should either pop up as a separate window, or as part of the main window. Click on the "network" tab in the dev tools. Then, back in the SA inbox screen, click on a conversation.
If you go back to the "network" tab, you should see a list of all the data requests the SA page asked for from the server. One of them should look like "/ inbox? Page=1&limit=25". Click on that one. It'll show a bunch of technical details of some of the message headers.
Now, look for a tab called "Response". If you click on that, you should see a tree with sections like "status", "message", "conversation", and "metadata". Expand "conversation" "messages" "data". You should see some numbered entries, 0 and up. Those represent each of the messages in the conversation, from both of you. (Side note: the "metadata" object has a whole bunch of info that they know about your own account. Some of it is info you entered yourself, like profile info. There's also things like "payments_total", which appears to be how much you've actually ever paid SA, unread message count, whether you're in the EU, and even fields labeled "has_under_age_punishment" and "has_unacknowledged_punishment". Very interesting.)
Each message entry has a field called "body", which is the text that's shown in your inbox. If you've got premium active, it's the actual message text. If not, it's "Upgrade to read".
Here's where they did something silly. They send back the text that should be shown, but *they also send back the original text too*. So, even if the "body" field says "Upgrade to read", the "original_body" field shows the actual no-kidding message that was sent. You can inspect each of the messages that was received, and effectively read the conversation.
It's not a substitute for reading messages in the inbox as usual, but it might be helpful for anyone who gets a message when they don't have premium active and wants to peek at it without having to immediately shell out the cash to read it.
As a programmer, I can tell that there's actually a _ton_ of useful information being returned whenever you view a profile page or inbox page. It would be possible for someone to write a browser extension that either extracted some of that info from a page, or re-requested that data from the server, and did something useful with it (up to and including modifying an inbox to show all the messages without needing premium enabled). Sadly, I don't have time to work on anything like that myself. I've got a lot of other things on my plate.
Hope that helps!
SA membership payment options?
Sooo, what's the deal with the new payment options? I always used to do the PayPal option. Haven't had a subscription for a few months. Tried to re-up, and can't do it by PayPal.
Are you guys just using your personal cc's? I went to the store and thought about getting a prepaid one, but it clearly states on the back of all the cards that they can only be used for transactions IN the us, to help fight terrorism, blah blah. And I saw on some post where someone's card was declined because it was an international transaction.
Anyone know of any way to use a type of cc where you don't have to give your name / info? I searched for subscription and membership in this thread and didn't find anything helpful.
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FB settings. For monger act
Based on the treads below looked into this regarding suggested friends showing up if you are searching FB for SB accounts.
Looks like the best you can do are these settings in the image.
In theory FB says it will pick up only for friends of friends and not others. So hard to tell if your profile will show up depending on how big your circle is.
There are no other controls on this feature and essentially FB wants you to expand your reach, so they don't care to limit this.
Definitely a scam or rinse
[QUOTE=EasyeOne;3939969]Small talk and then the long message with expectations / rules. Although not asking for money for the meet, to schedule the second date requires a 300 payment upfront before the second date? Wants 600 per month but needs the 300 upfront. Am I missing something?
"I ask that on the first date we get to know each other & determine if we want to pursue an arrangement. By the end of the 1st date, if & ONLY if we both want to move forward I do ask 300 allowance which goes towards the monthly 600 that I ask for. This provides me with safety and comfort knowing you are genuinely interested in an arrangement and my value is not equated to simply sex=money. Otherwise I would just feel like a hooker. This is NOT upfront, it's only if we both decide to have a 2nd date".[/QUOTE]I had the exact same exchange scenario with her, right down to the cut&pasted spiel about 300 at the end of the first date for the second. I told her sorry, while I generally give a gift card at the M&G, I never pre-pay in any fashion, and that if that made her feel too much like a hooker, sorry. She thanked me and disappeared.
Any trusted SBs around Roanoke VA area?
Any trusted SBs around Roanoke VA area? PM info and SA profile name.
Back in the game. Or more like. What the hell happened while I was gone?
Hey guys, long time no post. It's been a hell of a five years, but I'm actively back in the all-but-unrecognizable bowl. What a difference five years makes.
Between the rampant GPS of the Boston area, the slim pickin's of SNH where I'm based, and the surreal warping of SA to dodge a FOSTA bullet, I'm finding this brave new world even trickier to navigate than before. Compounded by the fact that I'm not running a numbers game: I'm being choosy and trying to find an SB with long-term potential but who isn't absurdly expensive.
I also signed up for Secret Benefits, which is a smaller, slower-moving pond in my limited experience. I've only established contact with one potential so far, despite the fact that a lot of the time it's the SB's who initiate the conversation. Most of the time it simply goes nowhere. But the one I got traction with seemed promising. I was mostly intrigued because she's in the same town as my unicorn-of-yore, similar situation, similar age, and I can bring many of the same mentoring benefits to the table as I did the first time around. Pictures looked promising, her profile is a little in-your-face, but it's one of those profiles where they are trying to keep the losers at bay. It does have the "I know what I'm worth" red flag, which I initially decide to ignore.
After sending her a strong opener message, she immediately expresses interest and switches to text. Which is the phase where I prefer to try to scope out at least a little bit of chemistry before a next step. But trying to have a conversation that goes beyond 4-5 messages before she drops off for 12-18 hours is all but impossible. (there seems to be a growing category of SA girls who do this as well) Which means the only way to really figure out if there's anything worth pursuing is fast-forwarding to the NSA meet. Since I've also got a strong potential I'm talking to from SA, I propose that we meet sooner than later so that I can see if this is worth a course-correction.
That's where she springs the gem that all her dates are PPM. To which I tell her that I've structured past arrangements that way, among other possibilities. But that the first meet is NSA in order for both parties to determine chemistry and to explore what arrangement (if any) will work best. She comes back with that PPM is in place for every meet, including her initial ones, and they've all worked out pleasantly. And, get this: "I've never left my daddies empty-handed".
But this girl claims to be 18, in school, and just landed a part time job. Yet the way she talks you'd think she's been sugaring for years. The only thing that makes sense is I'm dealing with one hell of a bluff, and perhaps a young-but-savvy rinser. What makes even less sense is that she's in an area that's not exactly teeming with SD demographics, so I wonder how she's possibly finding a lot of overstuffed wallets.
You're all thinking: "this sounds familiar, just walk. " Which is likely what I'll do. Like I'm going to drive 40 minutes to treat an 18 year-old I've never met to a nice dinner, invest the scarce commodity that is my time and focus, plus pay for the privilege?
Long, strange trip.
