SR. Member from Midwest needs help
Staying at the MGM. Can any SR member give me some tips are where to go / look? Thanks!
Observations from a relative 'Rookie'
I visited Las Vegas for the first time about a year ago. I have dabbled in the hobby off and on for awhile now, but wasn't really planning on getting into the game when I was out there, even though I knew the opportunities likely would be there if I wanted to pursue them. I have been back a couple of times and here are some of my observations after a few trips out for the benefit of those that are going for the first time soon, or thinking about it.
1. While I certainly expected to see CG's around, what absolutely floored me was the abundance, brazenness, and locations you would find them, or rather, they would find you. My first trip I stayed at Circus Circus (a mistake I will never make again, BTW) and headed to the strip my second night in town. Around midnight I wondered into Caesar's to play some blackjack and stopped at the Americana for a drink and late bite to eat before heading to the tables. After ordering I got up to go to the bathroom and in the hallway was a really hot woman sitting on a bench in the hallway. She smiled at me on the way in. And on the way out approached right in the hallway with other patrons walking by and solicited me. We went to the bar, I got her a drink, and negotiated right at the bar. It was exciting and nerve wracking all at the same time. I was just shocked at how out in the open, within a property and at the bar it was. Wasn't happy with the offer, and moved on, but it was fun in the moment. Came to find over the rest of the trip that the CG's were everywhere. As has been noted here a million times. On the street, in the casinos, at the bars, and they were not shy about propositioning in any place, and out in the open. I was there alone, so it probably made me an easy target for them to approach, but anyone going there for the first time don't worry. If you're on the strip, and particularly if you are by yourself, you will not be wondering if they are around or how to approach them. They will come to you. In droves.
2. While exciting at first to be the attention of so many women, some really gorgeous, to be honest, it got old pretty fast. After Midnight in particular, I got approached so much I got numb to it, and frankly tried to avoid making eye contact with women to keep from being approached. I just wanted to get from one casino to another. Or one bar to another. Without having to give the same spiel about not being interested. I knew if I ever got to a point where I was, I would have no trouble finding someone.
3. In the trips I have been out there, I have stayed primarily in the area in and around Caesar's / Flamingo / Bally's / Paris / Bellagio later in the night and into the morning hours. As noted, vast majority of CG's are always on the move and there was no one spot where any particular CG would always be, as a general rule. However, on my last stay there was one very light skinned AA that was always at '5 oclock Somewhere' in the Flamingo after 1:00 AM. Struck up a couple conversations with her over the course of my stay and became apparent she was local, knew the bartenders, etc. She shared some info with me that I believe is probably true. Some have been relayed here already. She said vast majority of CG's are transient. They come into town for a few days from places like LA, Chicago, Miami, etc and move on looking for a big score. Competition is always much more than they anticipate. Some turn to ripping people off to offset costs of getting there. She clearly resented them. Talked about them being the ones that are ripping off the johns and making her job, and the jobs of the local girls harder. Told me never to go anywhere with girls working as pairs. Its always a ripoff in the works. If I do pick someone up, always watch to see if you are being followed, and if I am get out of there quickly and never go anywhere near my hotel room with the girl. Never tell them where you are staying until you are as certain as you can be that you can trust them and aren't being followed. Never give out room number or a key (shocking that anyone would do that, but she said it happens all the time). Bars are better place than street for pickups. Street is usually better than escort services which are always an upsell. At least the ones that have people handing out stuff on the street or billboard trucks advertising the services. Bar was best place if you did your homework over a couple days. The ones that keep coming back to the same place are usually trusted by the staff there or they wouldn't be allowed to stay. If they seem to be friendly with and know the staff, also a good sign that they are reputable, local, and have a vested interest in treating clients fairly so they can continue to work from that location without harassment from staff or security. I'm sure some of it was self serving as she was trying to sell me. But a lot of it makes sense too.
4. AA outnumbered non AA I would bet 8 or 10 to1 on most nights. Not judging. Just pointing it out for those that have a preference one way or the other. Many are very attractive. But more aren't. I have no idea if this is always the case as my sample size is small, but I found that in the sphere that I hung out in, I always seemed to see the best looking CG's hanging out between Bally's and Paris in the indoor walkway between them. Might have just been luck of the draw, but it was so much the case when I was there last trip that I made it a point to walk that a couple times a night just to catch the scenery. The sketchiest area I found was on the walk from Bellagio to Caesar's. Not sure why, but the CG's I would encounter in that stretch always made me nervous.
5. I have negotiated to a completed encounter twice in my 3 trips there. In both cases I played it similarly to the recommendations made here on a previous post. I was generally sober. Only carried with me what I intended to spend and had everything else locked up in my hotel safe. Got the price I was willing to pay with agreement on what I was getting and there would be no upselling. Once in the room never let them out of my sight. Both experiences were just ok. The chase was definitely the highlight. I didn't get ripped off and the service was what was agreed upon, just not mind blowing or special. It was what it was.
I'll be heading back there in a couple weeks. I don't let myself indulge until I'm working with house money. So if I don't have good luck at the tables, I won't be partaking. But if I do have some luck, and have some play money later in my trip, I may try to do it the way the CG at 5 o'clock suggested and angle for a local that appears to have some ins with bar staff and see what comes of it. If I find that approach works and get any better quality of service I will be sure to share.
Second Thought. House Money
I always let my winnings decide how well I eat and how much I fuck. That is a great rule! If I lose its hamburgers and my hand, If I win its what ever I want till its gone. I set a daily budget for gambling and food. NEVER for pussy! The casinos buy me that!
[QUOTE=DaysFun;3597388]I am now a 7 year veteran of LV after a 20+ year break. So I have been the young buck and the old dog (52 this yr). In 2010 & 12 I had the best trips ever. Then it got dry and expensive. Last year was a blast. Abundant options all over the place and reasonably priced. Got it handled 5 out of 7 nights without breaking my budget (FS $$ or play with her & BBBJ 1. 5) BTW I am 52 yr very heavy set married mildly attractive guy, and a nice guy! That last bit tends to work best for me. The younger hotties with daddy issue don't mind my fat non threatening ass at all. I treat then with some respect but get what I want on my budget. Luckily never been ripped off. Oddly, my first year back was still the best, other than summer of 2014 when I met the dream newbie from the midwest. She drained me dry 5 times over three days My God was she incredible. So was the half Philo / Asian from 2010, also a newbie. Nervous as hell the first time, fucked like an old friend the next three times. I will never forget banging her against the window her DD bolt on's smashed against the glass with her ass ramming back at me. She came twice I came once she loved the idea of being seen (Top Floor of Flamingo. Facing the Weston and the mountains) ate her to a quivering mess all three nights. This is now what I now hunt for. You can tell a pro in 10 sec and I move on. Nice chatty nervous girl? I am all over that! Thanks again for a great report, just follow the rules and your own standards, use the main brain and LV is an oyster to be plucked!. BTW I always stay at either CP or Flamingo Center strip. The action is best! See you in Jan2018, deciding where to stay.[/QUOTE]
That's actually somewhat common
[QUOTE=Dave2554;3597525]In my first trip there I wandered into MGM and sat down at a Blackjack table. There was a somewhat attractive blonde playing at 3rd base 1 on1 vs. The dealer. I spotted this and wondered over and sat down to play. The blonde busted out soon after I sat down but stayed and watched me play and we chatted it up. I got a couple C-Notes up, and sensing I might have made a new friend, invited her to join me for a drink. Had a good time chatting it up with her in the bar. Bought all her drinks, which I didn't care about, wondered onto the floor a couple of times and played some Roulette. At this point she was playing with her own money and me with mine. Hit a couple times on the Roulette table, and now was feeling pretty comfy with my money situation. We hung out the rest of the night and agreed to meet again the next day at Flamingo. She busted out soon after we started playing blackjack and then the scam began. I was up, so she asked if she could play some of my winnings and see if she can get me further ahead. Thinking with the little brain, I said sure. Should have been watching her closely, but didn't. Seemed like she was winning like me, but somehow had less when we finally left table. I went to cashier and cashed out, she held onto her (my) chips and said she would put them in play at next casino. They play anywhere. Went and got some lunch and then hit another casino. This time cards were not friendly and I dumped a good chunk back to the Casino. She dumped back what she had left from the stack she was playing, or at least had no chips in front of her. Wound up at Treasure Island, and my bad luck has continued, but I'm letting her play more of my chips because I think this chick likes me, and I'm going to score without having to go the CG route (how naive). But my bad luck eventually leads me to start watching my chips and hers a lot more closely and start to notice that the decline in her chip stack is happening faster than the pace she's playing at. I finally notice what's happening and you veterans probably already know the story. She's slipping chips into her purse. Just one or two here or there. I decided not to make a scene, or call her out. Mostly because I felt like such a moron to fall for it in the first place. I just told her I was tired, sick of losing and needed to get some sleep and walked away. She didn't follow. I'm sure she knew I had finally figured it out. I have no idea how much she skimmed over the course of the day before I figured out. Probably 2-300 maybe. But it was probably money well spent to learn a valuable lesson. She played it well. And I bit hook line and sinker. Just an average girl from San Fran. In town with Mom and sister for an aunt's wedding. Had a whole story about her job back home (Make-up artist) . It all seemed on the up and up. I was being played the whole time. She was small time. I can only imagine the scams run on the high rollers there. Point is, for people new, there are lots ways to get ripped off by girls in the casinos. It doesn't have to be getting mugged, robbed by a CG or Pimp in your room, upsells, etc when you bring someone back to room, etc. I'm skeptical of everyone and everything going on after that.[/QUOTE]It's known as "rat holing". She's palming the chips when she puts them in play. I'm really surprised the eye in the sky didn't alert you to what was going on. They are usually pretty adept at spotting that.