"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/17546980-4f71-4873-964e-3e1a033bba0e[/URL]

Any feedback on this one before I pull the trigger?

Nothing in archives I could find.

Thanks bros!

[QUOTE=NeoDude;3926831][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/17546980-4f71-4873-964e-3e1a033bba0e[/URL]

Any feedback on this one before I pull the trigger?

Nothing in archives I could find.

Thanks bros![/QUOTE]She wanted 400 Too much for me.

[QUOTE=Tidad;3922968]My lifelong friend has asked me to check in on his daughter going to college in my city. I already creep her Instagram and this summer she friended me on fb from a second account that her parents are blocked from seeing. She has already begged me to take her to the mall, what I don't know is whether she is looking for a ride or a sponsor. A misunderstanding could be catastrophic but this could be awesome / terrible / FANTASTIC. Updates to come.[/QUOTE]No pussy worth losing lifelong friend for me. I would not do it.

[QUOTE=NeoDude;3926831][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/17546980-4f71-4873-964e-3e1a033bba0e[/URL]

Any feedback on this one before I pull the trigger?

Nothing in archives I could find.

Thanks bros![/QUOTE]Been going back and forth for some time, sent a few sexy pics but 4 $$ is her minimum so far. The pics she sent are much better then those on the profile. If you pull the trigger do update us, I might go for it next week.

From Stony Creek. Strictly online business in her words.

[QUOTE=Tidad;3922968]My lifelong friend has asked me to check in on his daughter going to college in my city. I already creep her Instagram and this summer she friended me on fb from a second account that her parents are blocked from seeing. She has already begged me to take her to the mall, what I don't know is whether she is looking for a ride or a sponsor. A misunderstanding could be catastrophic but this could be awesome / terrible / FANTASTIC. Updates to come.[/QUOTE]Yessssss you will completely enjoy the experience while it is occurring but shortly after the act when all of the endorphins wane, you will experience complete remorse for what you have done. Scenario one. He will end up discovering the tryst soon and you will have lost a "life long friend" for a few moments of pleasure. NO father would ever excuse a friend for this travesty upon his little girl! You lose! Scenario two. She keeps it to herself and you will forever be completely uncomfortable around your friend and will never be able to continue as you had in your past as you are always fearful of exposure. Even if you are never outed, your life will never be the same as your guilt and fear will consume you around these folks. You should draw the line at what your inner conscience is telling you and be the better person and friend. There are plenty of opportunities for this type of leg around without jeopardizing yourself!

PIE.

[QUOTE=JustLonely;3927327]From Stony Creek. Strictly online business in her words.[/QUOTE]Report her.

[QUOTE=FigLeaf;3928323]Report her.[/QUOTE]"Online Only" is now an accepted form of Seeking as a tab now. Your new SA screwing up a good thing once again.

[QUOTE=American314;3928083]Yessssss you will completely enjoy the experience while it is occurring but shortly after the act when all of the endorphins wane, you will experience complete remorse for what you have done. Scenario one. He will end up discovering the tryst soon and you will have lost a "life long friend" for a few moments of pleasure. NO father would ever excuse a friend for this travesty upon his little girl! You lose! Scenario two. She keeps it to herself and you will forever be completely uncomfortable around your friend and will never be able to continue as you had in your past as you are always fearful of exposure. Even if you are never outed, your life will never be the same as your guilt and fear will consume you around these folks. You should draw the line at what your inner conscience is telling you and be the better person and friend. There are plenty of opportunities for this type of leg around without jeopardizing yourself!

PIE.[/QUOTE]BTW, isn't this the plot to 'Lolita'? Humbert is eventually driven mad by his relationship w / her.

[QUOTE=JustLonely;3928342]"Online Only" is now an accepted form of Seeking as a tab now. Your new SA screwing up a good thing once again.[/QUOTE]It is ironic that it is both something you can select or seek and something you can report someone for. Try the report function, you'll find it there. They're a little schizo over FOSTA.

[QUOTE=American314;3928083]Yessssss you will completely enjoy the experience while it is occurring but shortly after the act when all of the endorphins wane, you will experience complete remorse for what you have done. Scenario one. He will end up discovering the tryst soon and you will have lost a "life long friend" for a few moments of pleasure. NO father would ever excuse a friend for this travesty upon his little girl! You lose! Scenario two. She keeps it to herself and you will forever be completely uncomfortable around your friend and will never be able to continue as you had in your past as you are always fearful of exposure. Even if you are never outed, your life will never be the same as your guilt and fear will consume you around these folks. You should draw the line at what your inner conscience is telling you and be the better person and friend. There are plenty of opportunities for this type of leg around without jeopardizing yourself!

PIE.[/QUOTE]Stay away from the daughter, you keep your friend = You win.

Tell us who she is, she gets her shopping spree = She win.

Have any of the members been successful with any ladies who mentioned that they was looking for a mentor and wasn't interested in anything sexual? I was thinking about going along with one in order to see, if they would eventually warm up with different approach.

Always twice a week. Less than that isn't enough for me, and more is too much burden on my free nights. No firm rules about time per visit, but each visit usually ends up being about three to five hours.

You do prepay before visits occurred? Or post pay after visits occurred? How do you determine she is trust worthy if you do prepay. In my experience a pot took 5 oo for weekly arrangement and gone silent.

[QUOTE=UKnowWho;3926514]Always twice a week. Less than that isn't enough for me, and more is too much burden on my free nights. No firm rules about time per visit, but each visit usually ends up being about three to five hours.

Haha, that's hilarious. I think I'll borrow that story the next time I run across a girl with a story about her friend's SD.[/QUOTE]You do prepay before visits occurred? Or post pay after visits occurred? How do you determine she is trust worthy if you do prepay. In my experience a pot took 5 oo for weekly arrangement and gone silent.

[QUOTE=CrazySpice;3929350]You do prepay before visits occurred? Or post pay after visits occurred? How do you determine she is trust worthy if you do prepay. In my experience a pot took 5 oo for weekly arrangement and gone silent.[/QUOTE]Let me get this right: you met some girl on the internet and then you gave her 500 with the assumption that you'd meet later and she would 'make it up' to you? And then as a complete shocker she ghosted you?

Some people can't be helped...

[QUOTE=Falar;3929151]Have any of the members been successful with any ladies who mentioned that they was looking for a mentor and wasn't interested in anything sexual? I was thinking about going along with one in order to see, if they would eventually warm up with different approach.[/QUOTE]I suppose it's about how much time you have. Seems like a lot of work for something that is a long shot.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;3929752]I suppose it's about how much time you have. Seems like a lot of work for something that is a long shot.[/QUOTE]I agree. A waste of time. It's getting hard enough to find ones willing to go to the FC without starting the chase laps behind.

[QUOTE=CrazySpice;3929350]You do prepay before visits occurred? Or post pay after visits occurred? How do you determine she is trust worthy if you do prepay. In my experience a pot took 5 oo for weekly arrangement and gone silent.[/QUOTE]Neither, actually. I give money each visit, though some don't like that because it feels too much like prostitution to them. But telling (and showing) her that the money isn't conditional on sex helps. And I guarantee her the monthly total unless she misses visits. That is, if I have to miss (which never happens), I'll still give her the money, but if she misses, no money. And I tell her we'll switch to monthly prepay if I fail to live up to that, since I know I won't.

I have had two who insisted on prepay and I decided were worth the risk. I prepaid one for two weeks, and the other was for a month. Neither ghosted me, but both missed about half of the agreed number of visits. I insisted on switching to money each visit after that. In both instances, they agreed, and everything was fine from then on.

That's wise arrangement. In your experience she missed half of the agreed appointsments means you lost roughly half amount. On average your per visit looks like 200-250 which is roughly 50 per hour of her time. That's a good bang for bucks.

[QUOTE=UKnowWho;3929972]Neither, actually. I give money each visit, though some don't like that because it feels too much like prostitution to them. But telling (and showing) her that the money isn't conditional on sex helps. And I guarantee her the monthly total unless she misses visits. That is, if I have to miss (which never happens), I'll still give her the money, but if she misses, no money. And I tell her we'll switch to monthly prepay if I fail to live up to that, since I know I won't.

I have had two who insisted on prepay and I decided were worth the risk. I prepaid one for two weeks, and the other was for a month. Neither ghosted me, but both missed about half of the agreed number of visits. I insisted on switching to money each visit after that. In both instances, they agreed, and everything was fine from then on.[/QUOTE]

I have been talking to this one. Does anyone have anyone have experience with her?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/b75de0dd-ef91-466e-aaa2-9063cd41022e[/URL]

I understand many girls don't like the transactional feel of pay per visit, but I explain it's the only fair way to start until we are both confident we want to continue and build trust. I've had a few long term arrangements that evolved into weekly or bi-weekly allowances but only after I was confident we both had a genuine connection and I could trust them.

I further explain that I've heard of girls that have dated wirh the promise of an allowance later that never happened and guys that paid upfront only to have the girl disappear. It happens on both sides.

I also wouldn't want to be obligated to repeat if either one of us didn't feel it. Its not worth it to me. I explain my goal is an ongoing arrangement. I pay an allowance per meet in line with monthly expectations based on expected number of meets without any commitment. It's like dating with the intention of marriage, you don't make that commitment before the first date. Things have to naturally evolve.

I also won't discuss specifics of an allowance before we meet and have never discussed allowance with many girls.

I just leave an allowance in their purse or pocket when the date ends. I've had a couple girls complain about the amount after the fact, but that has been the exception. I usually filter out GPS girls much earlier in the process. The interesting part, is that the ones that complained were usually the worst dates. Higher expectations rareley correlates with better experiences.

No girl that meets MY definition of an SB has ever had a problem with this approach.



[QUOTE=UKnowWho;3929972]Neither, actually. I give money each visit, though some don't like that because it feels too much like prostitution to them. But telling (and showing) her that the money isn't conditional on sex helps. And I guarantee her the monthly total unless she misses visits. That is, if I have to miss (which never happens), I'll still give her the money, but if she misses, no money. And I tell her we'll switch to monthly prepay if I fail to live up to that, since I know I won't.

I have had two who insisted on prepay and I decided were worth the risk. I prepaid one for two weeks, and the other was for a month. Neither ghosted me, but both missed about half of the agreed number of visits. I insisted on switching to money each visit after that. In both instances, they agreed, and everything was fine from then on.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GolfMan57;3930603]I have been talking to this one. Does anyone have anyone have experience with her?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/b75de0dd-ef91-466e-aaa2-9063cd41022e[/URL][/QUOTE]I have. But I am relatively new to this forum and not sure of the protocol here. That is to say, I don't know how much I can say or how pm works.

The allowance conversation comes up regularly on here. I am just going to note that this year I seem to get more asking right away what kind of arrangement I have had before. Most of those soon ask how much or what was the most I "helped" per month.

The good thing is that it opens the door for me to say that I don't discuss amounts until we meet. Since I have FWB as a tag, sometimes I tell them the money doesn't start until we get intimate. Of course that weeds out a lot right then. I don't have the time and patience to wait them out anymore.

With all the GPS, platonic and "respectful" out there, it makes it more a numbers game weeding them out. Don't get me started on pic sellers!

I use your basic strategy, however I have struggled getting it across smoothly. Ill use some of your comments if you don't mind. I have followed the Richmond board for many years. Early posts were very informative, I suggest all SD's read them. This was informative, than you!

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;3930789]I understand many girls don't like the transactional feel of pay per visit, but I explain it's the only fair way to start until we are both confident we want to continue and build trust. I've had a few long term arrangements that evolved into weekly or bi-weekly allowances but only after I was confident we both had a genuine connection and I could trust them.

I further explain that I've heard of girls that have dated wirh the promise of an allowance later that never happened and guys that paid upfront only to have the girl disappear. It happens on both sides.

I also wouldn't want to be obligated to repeat if either one of us didn't feel it. Its not worth it to me. I explain my goal is an ongoing arrangement. I pay an allowance per meet in line with monthly expectations based on expected number of meets without any commitment. It's like dating with the intention of marriage, you don't make that commitment before the first date. Things have to naturally evolve.

I also won't discuss specifics of an allowance before we meet and have never discussed allowance with many girls.

I just leave an allowance in their purse or pocket when the date ends. I've had a couple girls complain about the amount after the fact, but that has been the exception. I usually filter out GPS girls much earlier in the process. The interesting part, is that the ones that complained were usually the worst dates. Higher expectations rareley correlates with better experiences.

No girl that meets MY definition of an SB has ever had a problem with this approach.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ProfessorMan;3930812]I have. But I am relatively new to this forum and not sure of the protocol here. That is to say, I don't know how much I can say or how pm works.[/QUOTE]Okay, I am replying to my own post because I just checked in with Happiness and she does not want me to give out any details. That already tells you a lot. She is not a professional and discretion is very important to her. What I can add is that I have seen her several times and we always had a great time together. I would be seeing more of her, but she lives in Richmond and I live in Charlottesville and neither one of us likes to drive much. I can also say that I was pleasantly surprised when I first met her in person. Her SA pictures do not do her justice IMHO. I thought she was much nicer looking in person. She has a very nice figure and keeps herself in shape. I will also say she has a great personality. She is very sweet and very southern and playful and very pleasant to be with. She very much does want to meet another nice man, because she does need the help (another good sign if you have some leverage there) and I am not able to provide enough (due to time, distance, and my own budget). She has always been very kind to me, even when turning down her occasional requests for extra assistance. I highly recommend her. As always, YMMV, so be nice to her if you want her to be nice to you. Good luck.

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;3930789]I just leave an allowance in their purse or pocket when the date ends. I've had a couple girls complain about the amount after the fact, but that has been the exception....
No girl that meets MY definition of an SB has ever had a problem with this approach.[/QUOTE]How much do you leave in her purse when no allowance figure has been set up front?

[QUOTE=ProfessorMan;3930812]I have. But I am relatively new to this forum and not sure of the protocol here. That is to say, I don't know how much I can say or how pm works.[/QUOTE]Sent you a pm.

I always tell them early on that I'm sure I'm not the biggest spender on the site, but past girls said I was a great combination of attractive, funny, emotionally supportive, financially supportive and a gentleman. I set the expectation of an all around experience and not just dollars. Girls that like my approach are comfortable when I provide 150 to 200 per date.

There are a lot of girls on SA (now S! LOL) that want the money, but are uncomfortable with being treated like a prostitute or being intimate with an older, out of shape, sloppy, rude man. They fantasize about "the most intriguing man in the world" and being treated like a princess. I cater to that fantasy.

I know many of you guys have the "women are bitches" attitude, and I thank you. It really helps make my argument very strong. Lol

[QUOTE=Kwagmire;3930995]How much do you leave in her purse when no allowance figure has been set up front?[/QUOTE]

What are acts makes girl feels like princess or queens. What a typical SD does to make SB feel like princess or queen.

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;3931136]I always tell them early on that I'm sure I'm not the biggest spender on the site, but past girls said I was a great combination of attractive, funny, emotionally supportive, financially supportive and a gentleman. I set the expectation of an all around experience and not just dollars. Girls that like my approach are comfortable when I provide 150 to 200 per date.

There are a lot of girls on SA (now S! LOL) that want the money, but are uncomfortable with being treated like a prostitute or being intimate with an older, out of shape, sloppy, rude man. They fantasize about "the most intriguing man in the world" and being treated like a princess. I cater to that fantasy.

I know many of you guys have the "women are bitches" attitude, and I thank you. It really helps make my argument very strong. Lol[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;3931136]I always tell them early on that I'm sure I'm not the biggest spender on the site, but past girls said I was a great combination of attractive, funny, emotionally supportive, financially supportive and a gentleman. I set the expectation of an all around experience and not just dollars. Girls that like my approach are comfortable when I provide 150 to 200 per date.

There are a lot of girls on SA (now S! LOL) that want the money, but are uncomfortable with being treated like a prostitute or being intimate with an older, out of shape, sloppy, rude man. They fantasize about "the most intriguing man in the world" and being treated like a princess. I cater to that fantasy.

I know many of you guys have the "women are bitches" attitude, and I thank you. It really helps make my argument very strong. Lol[/QUOTE]Silly question: what is generally meant by "treated like a prostitute", anyway? Demands? Being given money? Language used and attitude?

My SB encounters have been similar to the times I've seen escorts, but that's because I'm also generally respectful of all of them. Some of the escort encounters do tend to be a bit more "business-like", I guess, but it's not like I'm a jerk either way. (Then again, maybe that puts me somewhat in the minority.).

And yeah, 150-200 is what I generally aim for. I've done 300 a few times, but it's been rare. Either one-time things when I was traveling, or a girl who _really_ was a lot of fun and deserved it.

Prost. Always be an open market there is no prices they can ask whatever they want the sky is the limit and there is the clients to make her dreams come true here SD posting that they give 2000 for allowance they probably transfer the money by supposedly no untraking vias because they don't take cash because they think are not hos or escorts they are spicial people that came to this world to share her companionship for as minimum 2 k with out meet up just for messing or texting out I remember this game was like having a clean lady come over to clean the house like once a week and get paid same day or in the end of the month I don't know any that you paying in advance for the whole month here this ho making her way out askong for 5 k for her service no necessity give pussy out just platonic companionship and you must be like she likes and folling her 100 rules.

[QUOTE=Zcochran00;3931652]Silly question: what is generally meant by "treated like a prostitute", anyway? Demands? Being given money? Language used and attitude?[/QUOTE]I think it's just acting like all it takes for her to have sex with you is money, and that all you want to pay for is sex.

In other words, you need to also make her like you and feel that you value her for more than just her body.

What in the world are you trying to say? I don't understand your words. -. -. -. -or how you put them together.

[QUOTE=TheMarto1;3931738]Prost. Always be an open market there is no prices they can ask whatever they want the sky is the limit and there is the clients to make her dreams come true here SD posting that they give 2000 for allowance they probably transfer the money by supposedly no untraking vias because they don't take cash because they think are not hos or escorts they are spicial people that came to this world to share her companionship for as minimum 2 k with out meet up just for messing or texting out I remember this game was like having a clean lady come over to clean the house like once a week and get paid same day or in the end of the month I don't know any that you paying in advance for the whole month here this ho making her way out askong for 5 k for her service no necessity give pussy out just platonic companionship and you must be like she likes and folling her 100 rules.[/QUOTE]

I think many girls take "Treated like a prostitute" to mean it is only a business transaction -. -. -If you have the funds, they have the goods.

I've found many girls on SA want to feel like they have a choice and want to be pursued and seduced. Many just want to be treated well and feel wanted.

Some people think SBs are no different than prostitutes. The SBs I pursue don't feel they are prostitutes at all. (They may be, but definitely don't think of themselves that way! LOL).

[QUOTE=TwoDirection;3931834]I think it's just acting like all it takes for her to have sex with you is money, and that all you want to pay for is sex.

In other words, you need to also make her like you and feel that you value her for more than just her body.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;3931858]What in the world are you trying to say? I don't understand your words. -. -. -. -or how you put them together.[/QUOTE]Must have been on his phone. Us old guys suck at texting!

[QUOTE=Zcochran00;3931652]Silly question: what is generally meant by "treated like a prostitute", anyway? Demands? Being given money? Language used and attitude?

My SB encounters have been similar to the times I've seen escorts, but that's because I'm also generally respectful of all of them. Some of the escort encounters do tend to be a bit more "business-like", I guess, but it's not like I'm a jerk either way. (Then again, maybe that puts me somewhat in the minority.).

And yeah, 150-200 is what I generally aim for. I've done 300 a few times, but it's been rare. Either one-time things when I was traveling, or a girl who _really_ was a lot of fun and deserved it.[/QUOTE]The women I've seen in the SD / SB environment felt like new age dating. We met for coffee / drinks and discussed what we were looking for and open to, after that we agreed to continue seeing each other. Once that part is out of the way we either are just meeting for drinks and then back to the hotel or just straight to the hotel. My current SB is usually an overnight thing twice a month and we fuck all night and it feels like a FWB. I help her with some odds and ends since she's a student. One of the things we talked about while out for drinks last time was how most dudes her age can't hold a conversation face to face so they only invite her out to fuck or "Netflix and chill" (Which is essentially what we are doing) but she gets to vent a little bit with me and I drop a few life "experience" gems on her while we're together. She also appreciates that I can make her cum so she's become open to sexually experimenting when with me.

With all that said, it goes back to an SB relationship being more than just showing up with a hard dick and exchanging money for an hour of sexual bliss. Honestly, my latest arrangement is working out to be about $5 per hour but she is genuinely enjoying our time together so as she puts it "I was probably going to have a FWB anyway, so why not have my fun and keep my odds and ends taken care of. Oh, and I get to actually cum every time".

Wish I found this forum last year.

Been looking to move up from ho (s) to SA since backpage crashed.

Am willing to pay more to get more but running into GPS (out of my range. And doubt have anything to offer for that price).

Or dead fish at the 2 $ range.

This one has not been on site for long time like the permanent babies that are a waster of time.

And has a interesting look. Mix or cauc and oriental.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/8138bf50-311f-4dde-a4e2-959eb90e6fee[/URL]

I know I am new here but not a lot of reviews in the forum, so if that is done private please PM.

Any info if can negotiate into my range or if has decent skills worth it.

I will contribute when I get going.

Anyone care to PM thoughts on her if you have seen her? She cancelled the very minute I drove up to the meeting place. She couldn't get away from home to met up. Been down that road too many times with student SB's on here. She's just 19 unlike what her profile says. Not shy when texting and seems to be wide open for anything. Thanks.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/6850ddd7-cd63-4e0a-a8a2-ddeb0eeaad39[/URL]

[QUOTE=EasyeOne;3926974]Been going back and forth for some time, sent a few sexy pics but 4 $$ is her minimum so far. The pics she sent are much better then those on the profile. If you pull the trigger do update us, I might go for it next week.[/QUOTE]Nothing to update.

She went dark on me.

Assume had better plans for long weekend.

[QUOTE=Runnerj;3932319]Wish I found this forum last year.

Been looking to move up from ho (s) to SA since backpage crashed.

Am willing to pay more to get more but running into GPS (out of my range. And doubt have anything to offer for that price).

Or dead fish at the 2 $ range.

This one has not been on site for long time like the permanent babies that are a waster of time.

And has a interesting look. Mix or cauc and oriental.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/8138bf50-311f-4dde-a4e2-959eb90e6fee[/URL]

I know I am new here but not a lot of reviews in the forum, so if that is done private please PM.

Any info if can negotiate into my range or if has decent skills worth it.

I will contribute when I get going.[/QUOTE]I'm about 90 percent sure she is someone I saw 18 months ago. Same "I'm too good for you" look. If so she is cold and business like and drives a Prius. For someone new to trying Sugar Babies, I suggest you judge them by how well they reply to your messages. If she doesn't get a little flirty in a few messages between you, she probably won't be in person.