"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=DavidS78;3914445]They don't want to be treated like a hooker, while simultaneously taking cash for sex.

[blue]These "SD's" brought this on themselves. I guess some of them just missed their exwives so much they had to bring drama into what used to be the simplest thing on the planet.

I've had chicks write me DEMANDING that posts get taken down because somebody said they were a hooker and when I asked if they were paid for sex they reply "yes, but that doesn't make me a hooker."

Every single time you see some guy write "real SB" for a chick that has many clients they are deluded. SB's are hookers, SD's are johns, it's just guys needing to think they are "better." If the chick was a "real SD" she wouldn't have an ad, she would have A guy (one guy) paying the bills.

A2[/blue][/QUOTE]These girls all want to separate themselves from "those slutty girls":

Nothing beats the time I was in bed between fucks w / one of my all time faves. She was bitching about her roommate bringing different guys home every night-she's such a ****, I just can't stand it!" meanwhile I'm paying this chicks rent $120 at a time! The only reason I didn't say something about a **** being "a ***** that fucks for free" is that at that very moment she was a super fit blonde naked in my bed with my cock in her hand. Some of you might remember her. Out the game but not forgotten.

Old bull and young bull standing on a hill looking at the cows below. Young bull says "let's run down there and fuck one"! Old bull says "let's walk down there and fuck them all".

[QUOTE=BagIt;3917528]I liked your story and admire your ability to get to fc w / her, but what's the joke?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DavidS78;3914445]
[blue]If the chick was a "real SD" she wouldn't have an ad, she would have A guy (one guy) paying the bills.

A2[/blue][/QUOTE]If you mean a "real SB" wouldn't have an ad once she's found a SD, it's been my experience that they don't. That is, I've noticed a girl will cease to have an ad once I start taking care of her (they either delete / disable their profile or just stop signing in). I've also had numerous girls I was talking to disappear from the site, then reappear months later and message me to say they'd gotten into a sugar relationship with someone else but now that had ended.

If all SB's were fucking a never-ending parade of men, I'd expect all their accounts to be recently active. Yet in my area, only about 25% of the visible profiles on SA have been active within the last month. I'm sure not all of the 75% who've stopped signing in did so because they found one guy to take care of them, but I'm sure a considerable number of them did.

[QUOTE=MagicRat;3917763]Old bull and young bull standing on a hill looking at the cows below. Young bull says "let's run down there and fuck one"! Old bull says "let's walk down there and fuck them all".[/QUOTE]Thanks Magic Rat. Bada Bing!

[QUOTE=UKnowWho;3918038]If you mean a "real SB" wouldn't have an ad once she's found a SD, it's been my experience that they don't. That is, I've noticed a girl will cease to have an ad once I start taking care of her (they either delete / disable their profile or just stop signing in). I've also had numerous girls I was talking to disappear from the site, then reappear months later and message me to say they'd gotten into a sugar relationship with someone else but now that had ended.

If all SB's were fucking a never-ending parade of men, I'd expect all their accounts to be recently active. Yet in my area, only about 25% of the visible profiles on SA have been active within the last month. I'm sure not all of the 75% who've stopped signing in did so because they found one guy to take care of them, but I'm sure a considerable number of them did.[/QUOTE]Yes, it was a typo, obviously I meant SB.

That may be your area but most of the guys who's posts I see here talk about SB's and UTR's that they are only fucking once. As I said, I know real SD's that have the means to support a chick and do that very thing. I also know tons of guys who could support one but work SA like backpage and there are tons of chicks doing the same.

My point was that it's prostitution I don't care how you slice it.

[QUOTE=Tidad;3917649]These girls all want to separate themselves from "those slutty girls":

Nothing beats the time I was in bed between fucks w / one of my all time faves. She was bitching about her roommate bringing different guys home every night-she's such a ****, I just can't stand it!" meanwhile I'm paying this chicks rent $120 at a time! The only reason I didn't say something about a **** being "a ***** that fucks for free" is that at that very moment she was a super fit blonde naked in my bed with my cock in her hand. Some of you might remember her. Out the game but not forgotten.[/QUOTE]Yeah I remember her. I just went out with her twice in the last two months. Couldn't get her to the FC. She is focusing on her "other" career. LOL.

[QUOTE=UKnowWho;3918038]If you mean a "real SB" wouldn't have an ad once she's found a SD, it's been my experience that they don't. That is, I've noticed a girl will cease to have an ad once I start taking care of her (they either delete / disable their profile or just stop signing in). I've also had numerous girls I was talking to disappear from the site, then reappear months later and message me to say they'd gotten into a sugar relationship with someone else but now that had ended.

If all SB's were fucking a never-ending parade of men, I'd expect all their accounts to be recently active. Yet in my area, only about 25% of the visible profiles on SA have been active within the last month. I'm sure not all of the 75% who've stopped signing in did so because they found one guy to take care of them, but I'm sure a considerable number of them did.[/QUOTE]The fact that they don't sign in or that they delete their profile doesn't mean they are a "one-daddy-guy". It just means they have enough interested guys to make it work without the influx of new queries. Seriously, How many guys out here talk about working the site for a month or two, working up a rotation and shutting down their profile? Same thing.

[QUOTE=UKnowWho;3918038]If you mean a "real SB" wouldn't have an ad once she's found a SD, it's been my experience that they don't. That is, I've noticed a girl will cease to have an ad once I start taking care of her (they either delete / disable their profile or just stop signing in). I've also had numerous girls I was talking to disappear from the site, then reappear months later and message me to say they'd gotten into a sugar relationship with someone else but now that had ended.

If all SB's were fucking a never-ending parade of men, I'd expect all their accounts to be recently active. Yet in my area, only about 25% of the visible profiles on SA have been active within the last month. I'm sure not all of the 75% who've stopped signing in did so because they found one guy to take care of them, but I'm sure a considerable number of them did.[/QUOTE]As some say, we each get the sugar bowl we're looking for. I have been to the FC w / 20 in the 2+ years I have been on the site. There was a reason I saw some only once. They were too escort-ish for my taste. The experience wasn't anything like 'real'. About 4 of those I saw for over a month, with many FC trips for each. They all had regular jobs, they were not seeing me to support themselves or any habit (other than their love of sex). I ended each arrangement on good terms, so I am in touch w / 3/4. None of them has been on the site since ending w / me, and each says that is so. I can't resist the site, even when I am not paid, so I see who is there, and it is true, they don't have profiles (yes, I have a dummy profile that they haven't blocked). I see other girls I have fucked still on there who I wouldn't FC again. It was a pretty cool notch in the belt to do a few girls 1/3 my age, but none of them were mature enough to become regular things.

I recently picked up again w / the 20's pro volleyball player, she just texted that she is 'craving' me, and we are back together this week. As expected, flawless body, not a hair from slender neck to toes.

These girls are gems, each in her own way, and not comparable to what you can experience w / a professional. Lotsa people here want to label them as X or why, I won't, but I can say those I am interested in are quantitatively and qualitatively different from a hooker. I have found no site other than [URL]seeking.com[/URL] that you can be successful locating this type of girl.

[QUOTE=DoggieFan;3917493]Exactly how I became an unexpected SD.

I ate at the bar at the same NC costal restaurant when ever I was in town on business. Became really friendly with the owners, managers, bartenders & waitress.

Flirted a lot with one particular waitress who would also bartender now and then. Your typical college student on the struggle bus big time. She mentioned one night she needed dog food for her Golden Retriever. I also have one so mentioned what brand we fed ours and she mentioned what she feeds hers.

I left later that night and grabbed a 40 lb bag and left it next to her car with a note, "your too nice a girl to work so hard at school & here and still have to worry about dog food. ", also with my cell.

She texted my that night when she saw it that I was so sweet. Asked if I'd be in town the next day to do coffee. I said I was busy in the morning, how about lunch.

Long story short, I didn't rush it and after a couple more platonic meetings she slapped a lip lock on me when I was giving her a hug good bye. What I found out being patient is her live in BF had some bad sexual history and even though she is a 10 across the boards, was more interested in being top of his class and getting in to Med school than on top of this gorgeous, young co-ed. Also really standard sexual fare when he did deliver.

I love that she's with him. I don't think I could continue if she was single and doing the whole Tinder thing.

From then on she's come rob see me at the hotel, 3-8 hours at a time. Everything I want, BB, Greek. OMG!

Most of these young guys don't know how to take their time and really appreciate a beautiful young lady. She is literally half my age. My favorite thing is getting outfits for her. She's even an ex Hooter's girl (lasted three weeks) and brought the uniform to play time. Cross that one off the bucket list👍.

Now two and a half years plus we are still going strong. I help her with $ but I bet if I calculated what I've gave her vs what I spend with her for time it's like $20 an hour. Many times she tells me no thanks, I'll let you know if I get in a bind. After about six months she dropped the L word.

Her BF was away for five weeks recently and we got to spend about 8 nights together & over a dozen days. Even an overnight in Myrtle Beach. So funny to be in public together when someone picks up the vibe that we're a couple not father / daughter.

So I totally agree DavidS78. There are some hidden gems out there. She told me she reached out to me originally because she was bored and sick of being hit on by young guys. That she just thought I was a nice guy but as we met she could tell I wouldn't turn her down if she made the first move.

Please no PMs for her info. Just a long entry to give some brothers hope outside of the SA / GPS girls. If I can pull it off at my age and I'm no Brad Pitt, you guys can.

I think being patient and having a long game was key. If I was aggressive early on I'd would have been like all the other older guys that hit on her because she is beautiful and has an ass like a high schooler. The yoga pants she wears at the restaurant should come with a concealed carry permit!

You know the old bull, young bull joke is right on![/QUOTE]People don't realize the weight of this type of approach in real life. That bag of dog food was probably one of the best investments you've ever made!

[QUOTE=Admin2;3918355]Yes, it was a typo, obviously I meant SB.

That may be your area but most of the guys who's posts I see here talk about SB's and UTR's that they are only fucking once. As I said, I know real SD's that have the means to support a chick and do that very thing. I also know tons of guys who could support one but work SA like backpage and there are tons of chicks doing the same.

My point was that it's prostitution I don't care how you slice it.[/QUOTE]I don't completely disagree, I'm just not sure that all angles of the sugaring lifestyle are so easily summarized. Without knowing the financial situation of the guys who like fucking girls only once and their motives for doing so, imagining their capacity to support one or many girls is really just guesswork.

As you said many SDs do have the financial status to support a chick, and already do (whether it's a wife or live-in girlfriend). And yes, either of those situations could be said to be prostitution, regardless of whether there is cash payment involved -- if nothing else, free rent, or any lifestyle upgrade that the female would not be able to sustain on her own income. This is all a form of "payment" or "financial support", and is therefore prostitution. Sex is being provided for financial benefit. This is fine, I've always said there's no such thing as free pussy, and we always pay for it, even if not in direct currency.

But even if an SD can support one or two chicks at a time, many of us STILL have an incessant craving variety in our sex life; in fact I could consider this craving one of my biggest personality flaws. If I ever put a dollar amount just on the time and effort I've invested into getting strange pussy throughout my lifetime, it would be a shocker of a number. But it is that quest for variety that leads me to short-term sugar dating. I don't hold onto any one for more than a few days at a time, because after a certain point the expectations on their end always seem to ramp up, and frankly after I have fucked her a dozen times it no longer qualifies as "strange pussy", and defeats the purpose of finding variety.

But that's just my situation, and situations vary. What actually takes place between the SD and SB runs the full gamut. There are SDs that pay a lot of money but never fuck the girl; there are a lot of guys who get sex without paying. There are outliers who don't believe either situation ever occurs, simply because they don't believe anyone else's experiences could possibly be different than their own. Guys with great game cannot fathom another man paying without getting laid. Guys who aren't good with women cannot fathom another man getting laid without paying for it. It's narrow-mindedness in action, and the natural temptation to compartmentalize and simplify. It is always more convenient to just apply a blanket label and believe it is that way because we said so, than it is to dissect it and truly understand the complexities of the lifestyle.

I don't doubt for a minute there are lots of guys with modest throwing away their last bit of expendable income on escorts / UTRs, its just like any other addiction for them; I just know that they could not possibly be identified from their posts in this thread without having copies of their financial statements.

[QUOTE=DrSummer;3912210]When a girl mentions "nothing serious" in her SA profile what does it actually mean? I was under the impression that it meant they are not willing to go to FC, so I usually skip profiles with that phrase. Now I see that phrase almost half of the profiles there, I am having second thoughts. Any thoughts? Anyone taken a girl to FC who said "nothing serious"?

Stay Safe.

Dr. S.[/QUOTE]Hey Doc. I always read "nothing serious" to mean that they don't want a committed relationship of any sort, that is, no exclusivity, she can have a BF, she can have multiple SD's, the relationship isn't the huge time commitment that dating is, but more of an occasional FB / FWB situation. So I always saw "nothing serious" as a good thing.

Maybe I'm just being hopeful. Who knows what goes on in the girl's heads anyway? .

Kwag.

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;3913200]So what's up with "respect" in girl's profiles?[/QUOTE]I see the term "respect" meaning anything from " I want you to be a classy guy and treat me like a friend / human being rather than a piece of ass" to "I want to be fully in control of the situation, so you should be happy with my delay tactics and we will fuck only IF and / or WHEN I say we do, and it's at my entire discretion, but you should be plenty pleased to provide me with my full allowance every time we meet up anyway. ".

It's confusing.

This week I had a new prospect SB who expressed interest in meeting, but I'm mostly free evenings and she works evenings at a restaurant. I've seen some people in this thread suggest "day booking" hotel rooms, but none of the day booking sites I looked at had any listings at all in my area. She couldn't host because she's in a shared house with roommates, and I obviously wasn't going to have her over to my place for privacy reasons.

I had a bit of a brainstorm: I could get a room Friday night with a checkout time of noon Saturday, and we could meet up Saturday morning. That worked for her, so we planned on it and I went ahead and booked a room.

I then realized that if I was going to have the room Friday night anyway, I might as well get some extra use out of it There was a girl who had contacted me originally a couple weeks ago and just said "hi", and I'd responded with my usual "what are you looking for?" question. She finally responded to me yesterday, and when I said I was looking to meet and play, she immediately said she was interested. Not exactly my type, but figured I might as well see how it went. So, I told her I could meet that evening, and she was up for it.

So, I wound up meeting the second girl Friday evening, went home and went to bed, and went back there this morning to meet the first girl, both in the same room. Hurray for efficient use of resources!

[QUOTE=Zcochran00;3919244]

So, I wound up meeting the second girl Friday evening, went home and went to bed, and went back there this morning to meet the first girl, both in the same room. Hurray for efficient use of resources![/QUOTE]Due to being married, I can't ever do an overnight playdate on my home field.

So my favorite SB would come out from RVA for an afternoon of banging, stay over, and I see her the next morning after the gym and before check out time. Or, like you, like up two differrent girls for AM / PM.

Just have to remember to tidy up after your PM fun if you are swapping out SBs so they don't see the cum stained towels and sheets and some blonde hairs in the bathroom.

Been messaging and texting this one and she gave me a UTR vibe.

Finally met up with her when she came to CVille. Super pretty face, amazing rack, not quite as toned as pictured, but great tan and legs.

Carried her own magnums, so definitley UTR.

Good fun, but I've had better for less unless you can see her often as is her preference. Then value increases dramatically.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/6b0ba124-3dea-4a24-bf9d-ec53b93ac1af[/URL]

Yeah, I agree with your interpretation. Started messaging girls with "Nothing serious" in profile. I had dinner with one of such girls I messaged (19 yr college sophamore) yesterday. She is cute but little bigger than I expected and her photos led me to believe. I picked her up from her dorm. She started flirting with me, and ready to head to FC or do a car date right after dinner. I took a rain check (yeah, I am picky! I have few others in the works at the moment, so making the decision this weekend.

Stay Safe.

Dr. S.

[QUOTE=Kwagmire;3918995]Hey Doc. I always read "nothing serious" to mean that they don't want a committed relationship of any sort, that is, no exclusivity, she can have a BF, she can have multiple SD's, the relationship isn't the huge time commitment that dating is, but more of an occasional FB / FWB situation. So I always saw "nothing serious" as a good thing.

Maybe I'm just being hopeful. Who knows what goes on in the girl's heads anyway? .

Kwag.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DrSummer;3920303]Yeah, I agree with your interpretation. Started messaging girls with "Nothing serious" in profile. I had dinner with one of such girls I messaged (19 yr college sophamore) yesterday. She is cute but little bigger than I expected and her photos led me to believe. I picked her up from her dorm. She started flirting with me, and ready to head to FC or do a car date right after dinner. I took a rain check (yeah, I am picky! I have few others in the works at the moment, so making the decision this weekend.

Stay Safe.

Dr. S.[/QUOTE]I'm shocked you turned down a 19 yo pussy. I have always thought that you only have time to get so much pussy and any missed opportunity is just a missed chance and lost forever. I have to hand it to you for your resolve but fault you for not getting it when you can.

End of the month. My inbox was ringing off the hook. Hot MILF, young blondes and more. Time to pay the rent and car payments. I love the attention. Now they just have to host and life would be grand. I need to buy a townhouse for a play palace. Anyone want to share?

Anybody tried cancelling Seeking's auto renew yet? I had a devil of a time with the old SD4 Me site trying to cancel that a few years back. That place sucked big time. I am almost to the point of not bothering with Seeking anymore. The new changes they keep doing makes it less worthwhile with all the GPS and Platonic.

[QUOTE=JustLonely;3922287]Anybody tried cancelling Seeking's auto renew yet? I had a devil of a time with the old SD4 Me site trying to cancel that a few years back. That place sucked big time. I am almost to the point of not bothering with Seeking anymore. The new changes they keep doing makes it less worthwhile with all the GPS and Platonic.[/QUOTE]You just go to settings, then payments and unclick the box. Worked for me I was not billed for a second month.

[QUOTE=JustLonely;3922287]Anybody tried cancelling Seeking's auto renew yet? I had a devil of a time with the old SD4 Me site trying to cancel that a few years back. That place sucked big time. I am almost to the point of not bothering with Seeking anymore. The new changes they keep doing makes it less worthwhile with all the GPS and Platonic.[/QUOTE]Seems like the mobile app (not the site) still lets you do a single month of premium at a time without auto-renew.

My lifelong friend has asked me to check in on his daughter going to college in my city. I already creep her Instagram and this summer she friended me on fb from a second account that her parents are blocked from seeing. She has already begged me to take her to the mall, what I don't know is whether she is looking for a ride or a sponsor. A misunderstanding could be catastrophic but this could be awesome / terrible / FANTASTIC. Updates to come.

[QUOTE=Tidad;3922968]My lifelong friend has asked me to check in on his daughter going to college in my city. I already creep her Instagram and this summer she friended me on fb from a second account that her parents are blocked from seeing. She has already begged me to take her to the mall, what I don't know is whether she is looking for a ride or a sponsor. A misunderstanding could be catastrophic but this could be awesome / terrible / FANTASTIC. Updates to come.[/QUOTE]But they do pass her on to anonymous ***** mongers on message boards. Deets, man, deets!

[QUOTE=JustLonely;3922287]Anybody tried cancelling Seeking's auto renew yet? I had a devil of a time with the old SD4 Me site trying to cancel that a few years back. That place sucked big time. I am almost to the point of not bothering with Seeking anymore. The new changes they keep doing makes it less worthwhile with all the GPS and Platonic.[/QUOTE]These are the directions that SA gave me in reply to my inquiry about it.

To cancel your auto-renewing subscription:

1. Navigate to your Settings page by clicking on your username in the top right corner then choosing Settings from the drop-down menu that appears.

2. You will see the Payments section at the bottom left of the settings list. Here you can find the Cancel Auto-Renew option.

[QUOTE=Tidad;3922968]My lifelong friend has asked me to check in on his daughter going to college in my city. I already creep her Instagram and this summer she friended me on fb from a second account that her parents are blocked from seeing. She has already begged me to take her to the mall, what I don't know is whether she is looking for a ride or a sponsor. A misunderstanding could be catastrophic but this could be awesome / terrible / FANTASTIC. Updates to come.[/QUOTE]It does sound like she is interested but go slow. Ask her what she is thinking about for the mall and try some vague personal questions, word them as a curious friend that can also be taken as an interested guy. You can gauge it on how she responds, be ready to explain that your just curious and want to help her succeed / be careful if she seems a bit flustered. If she is interested, she may open up to you and you can go from there. As many younger women say, don't be creepy. Showing an interest can go well but it can be a bit difficult without crossing the line before she is ready.

[QUOTE=Zcochran00;3922534]Seems like the mobile app (not the site) still lets you do a single month of premium at a time without auto-renew.[/QUOTE]Its easy to cancel just go to settings and switch to do not renew. When your months its up.

[QUOTE=LoveSmallPerky;3923359]It does sound like she is interested but go slow. Ask her what she is thinking about for the mall and try some vague personal questions, word them as a curious friend that can also be taken as an interested guy. You can gauge it on how she responds, be ready to explain that your just curious and want to help her succeed / be careful if she seems a bit flustered. If she is interested, she may open up to you and you can go from there. As many younger women say, don't be creepy. Showing an interest can go well but it can be a bit difficult without crossing the line before she is ready.[/QUOTE]Nah,

As I was telling someone else, best case for me is she starts bringing her college girlfriends to my lake house to use the boat; drinks flowing, goodtimes being had. Hopefully one or two of them don't object to a cock 20 years their senior. And hopefully they have a good time and tell their friends.

Who's paying 2 k per date around Richmond? 18 year old who said I need to reevaluate why I'm on the site because I'm obviously not SD material for saying no to 2 k. She claims guys are paying that and more. Anybody have any luck with this one:

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/4a520cc6-6916-4aa6-bd6e-30a2d98bbdc7[/URL]

Don't you know that all the girls get thousands just to talk to guys (no sex)? Also, every girl is unique and an original snowflake. She's better than all the other girls.

If you hand control of your wallet to a bland 18 year old You deserve whatever happens after that. She's obviously trolling for a whale of a sucker that will believe whatever nonsense she can dream up. Only you can decide if you're that sucker or not.

So to answer your original question nobody, not a single person, is paying 2 k a date. Tell her she's a terrible liar and leave at that.

P.S. just looked at her profile. Sweet jesus, she's a 3/10 at best (ugly face, meh body) and for an 18 yo she's very much below average. So according to her, what are the hot girls getting? A bazillion and a half dollars?

[QUOTE=EasyeOne;3924204]Who's paying 2 k per date around Richmond? 18 year old who said I need to reevaluate why I'm on the site because I'm obviously not SD material for saying no to 2 k. She claims guys are paying that and more. Anybody have any luck with this one:

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/4a520cc6-6916-4aa6-bd6e-30a2d98bbdc7[/URL][/QUOTE]

This has been discussed before. I break it down into 3 areas:

1. How I reply?

I always reply politely that I'm sorry if I offended them and that I am not trying to tell them how much they are worth or what they may need, but only what my budget allows me to offer. I respect if that does not meet their expectations or needs and wish them well on their search.

It doesn't do any good to argue with them. It works best if girls learn reality from others. I've had them come back after a few days or weeks and start up discussions with me again because I was polite and not a creep after they've learned what their options really are.

2. Why do they think I'm cheap?

Some are just naive and believe all the hype put out by SA and on social media about large jackpots for platonic relationships. Others use it is a negotiating ploy to get you to raise your offer. Some may have had big offers that never panned out, but still belief it is their market price. I think very few actually get that on a consistent basis.

3. What do I think is reality with respect to what other SD's provide?

I don't believe there are many SDs that provide $2k per month allowance for very long to the same girl. There are some for sure, but they are either creepy, weird or getting the cream of the crop (which the girl you showed clearly is not).

I think there are a lot of guys that promise the world and deliver very little to get some and then move on. I also think there are some genuinely big spenders that get the cream of the crop, but they are rarely satisfied with one girl for long.

The biggest GPS girls I've seen are constantly on the site looking for the next SD. If they were truly worth it and could get it they would find one or two big fish SDs and stop looking.

Way more girls than guys on the site so i always remind myslef, I have numbers on my side. I'm patient and move to the next one. If she comes back, she will come back on my terms.

[QUOTE=EasyeOne;3924204]Who's paying 2 k per date around Richmond? 18 year old who said I need to reevaluate why I'm on the site because I'm obviously not SD material for saying no to 2 k. She claims guys are paying that and more. Anybody have any luck with this one:

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/4a520cc6-6916-4aa6-bd6e-30a2d98bbdc7[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;3924577]This has been discussed before. I break it down into 3 areas:

1. How I reply?

I always reply politely that I'm sorry if I offended them and that I am not trying to tell them how much they are worth or what they may need, but only what my budget allows me to offer. I respect if that does not meet their expectations or needs and wish them well on their search.

It doesn't do any good to argue with them. It works best if girls learn reality from others. I've had them come back after a few days or weeks and start up discussions with me again because I was polite and not a creep after they've learned what their options really are.

2. Why do they think I'm cheap?

Some are just naive and believe all the hype put out by SA and on social media about large jackpots for platonic relationships. Others use it is a negotiating ploy to get you to raise your offer. Some may have had big offers that never panned out, but still belief it is their market price. I think very few actually get that on a consistent basis.

3. What do I think is reality with respect to what other SD's provide?

I don't believe there are many SDs that provide $2k per month allowance for very long to the same girl. There are some for sure, but they are either creepy, weird or getting the cream of the crop (which the girl you showed clearly is not).

I think there are a lot of guys that promise the world and deliver very little to get some and then move on. I also think there are some genuinely big spenders that get the cream of the crop, but they are rarely satisfied with one girl for long.

The biggest GPS girls I've seen are constantly on the site looking for the next SD. If they were truly worth it and could get it they would find one or two big fish SDs and stop looking.

Way more girls than guys on the site so i always remind myslef, I have numbers on my side. I'm patient and move to the next one. If she comes back, she will come back on my terms.[/QUOTE]Masterpiece of a post. This is the money shot: "I think there are a lot of guys that promise the world and deliver very little to get some and then move on. The biggest GPS girls I've seen are constantly on the site looking for the next SD. If they were truly worth it and could get it they would find one or two big fish SDs and stop looking. ".

There are generally two broad groups I've found that will deliver some major cheese, not ongoing but for a meet or two, and I'm not even talking a grand I'm talking half a grand for a meet. The first is the guys that prey on the newbies, in order to be the first to get a new girl who shows up on the site. There are definitely a few guys in my market who specialize in this, and clearly unless the girl knocks their socks off they move on to the next newbie and if she's great I suspect they keep seeing her but walk her down. The other is the out of towner type or newbie on our end type, who will drop 4 or 5 one night on them after dinner and drinks--again it's not ongoing but if they meet someone like this early on it spoils them and they think it's the norm.

It can also work in reverse for the newbies BTW, I've heard multiple stories of them getting ripped off. There is at least one person in my market who tries to meet 18-20 newbies on their very first day on the site, particularly the naive, shy, reserved type, who are uncertain how it's supposed to work and hesitant to ask for anything, where they just have a general expectation they will be rewarded. He FC's them and then just says goodbye without providing a penny. So it can go both ways for them early on.

But I can promise you guys ponying up even 2 k a month for one girl on an ongoing basis (more than a month or two) are the equivalent of a black swan. It exists but is exceedingly rare and they could talk to 1000 guys on there w / o finding it. And when one of these girls tells you they had found it, they were likely either just led to believe by the site's marketing that it does, or they're lying. For example, have you ever met a girl on the site who admitted she's done this before and said she had this great arrangement but "the guy moved"? If I've heard it once I've heard it 1 k times. Apparently every single long term, super generous, reliable, wonderful daddy eventually moves out of town. Every single one LOL.

I rejoined SA this month to scope out the newbies starting college. I found a rare gem.

She admits, in her profile, seeking only experience SD. We get to chatting terms and getting to know each other.

I'm short, she's a total virgin and wants to be a woman before college started. Sweet girl, slim and highly intelligent. 18 yr.

Yes I checked ID. Haha!

So, she trusted me and I obliged gentleman. And it was glorious. It was a 3 hour endurance test. But she passed with flying colors. By the 2nd round, we discover standing doggie is her fav.

We are both jumping off SA and we will keep to each other for now.

It's out here bros! Having a ball in the sugar bowl!

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;3924577]This has been discussed before. I break it down into 3 areas:

The biggest GPS girls I've seen are constantly on the site looking for the next SD. If they were truly worth it and could get it they would find one or two big fish SDs and stop looking.

Way more girls than guys on the site so i always remind myslef, I have numbers on my side. I'm patient and move to the next one. If she comes back, she will come back on my terms.[/QUOTE]This is a great post Max and it's a good sensible approach.

However, my way of looking at it is thus: she came out of the gate lying and trying to play me. She's bullshitting you in the hope you'll go along and deliver on something that makes no sense. At this point she lost all credibility with me and it gets her an instant "never going to happen". That she comes to her senses later is completely irrelevant to me. NEXT!

If she is lying, which most are, I agree.

I think some are just naive newbies that have unrealistic expectations boosted by media hype. When they see reality they either become disolutioned and disappear or adjust their expectations.

I've had it work out well a few times after a girl has had her expectations reset, but not the standard.

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;3924693]This is a great post Max and it's a good sensible approach.

However, my way of looking at it is thus: she came out of the gate lying and trying to play me. She's bullshitting you in the hope you'll go along and deliver on something that makes no sense. At this point she lost all credibility with me and it gets her an instant "never going to happen". That she comes to her senses later is completely irrelevant to me. NEXT![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;3924693]This is a great post Max and it's a good sensible approach.

However, my way of looking at it is thus: she came out of the gate lying and trying to play me. She's bullshitting you in the hope you'll go along and deliver on something that makes no sense. At this point she lost all credibility with me and it gets her an instant "never going to happen". That she comes to her senses later is completely irrelevant to me. NEXT![/QUOTE]Well, I'd just consider the psychology. The same mind that deludes itself that can get / is worth that is the mind that decides it would be a good idea to hook up w / a guy twice her age. Some of this goes w / the territory. If you are toward the transactional end of the spectrum, it's true, this type of girl will take a lot of work you don't have patience for. I am on the other end of the spectrum, don't mind cultivating girls for a while, and like the chase, figuring them out. The girl I am always looking for is the one who is truly interested in the kink of being done by a daddy type, for whatever reason. Adopted, submissive, etc. These girls should be paying me, but I've never found one that would. LOL.

[QUOTE=Tidad;3922968]My lifelong friend has asked me to check in on his daughter going to college in my city. I already creep her Instagram and this summer she friended me on fb from a second account that her parents are blocked from seeing. She has already begged me to take her to the mall, what I don't know is whether she is looking for a ride or a sponsor. A misunderstanding could be catastrophic but this could be awesome / terrible / FANTASTIC. Updates to come.[/QUOTE]I read this and was like -- seriously? I can count my combined lifelong friends (made during high school, college, or early career) that are still alive on one hand. In contrast, I lost count of how many pussies I've had my cock in a long time ago.

I'd never consider betraying a friend for pussy. Pussy is easy to come by and real friends are not.

[QUOTE=TomDickNHarry;3924655]But I can promise you guys ponying up even 2 k a month for one girl on an ongoing basis (more than a month or two) are the equivalent of a black swan. It exists but is exceedingly rare and they could talk to 1000 guys on there w / o finding it. And when one of these girls tells you they had found it, they were likely either just led to believe by the site's marketing that it does, or they're lying.[/QUOTE]I give a 2 K per month allowance and the arrangements do usually only last a few months. Like any other relationship, I think. Current one is at four months and going strong, but the one before that was about three months, and the one before that was just one month. My record was a couple of years, although I didn't find her on a sugar site.

I've found a big obstacle is what girls tell each other. E. g. One girl I met told me a guy from SA gave her roommate $2000 at the start of the semester just for talking to him on the phone. I definitely didn't believe that, but I believe she believed it. Girls want to make themselves look better by inflating the amount they tell their friends they got and deflating what they had to do for it. The same thing happens among strippers who meet guys outside of the strip club.

[QUOTE=UKnowWho;3925182]I give a 2 K per month allowance and the arrangements do usually only last a few months. Like any other relationship, I think. Current one is at four months and going strong, but the one before that was about three months, and the one before that was just one month. My record was a couple of years, although I didn't find her on a sugar site.

I've found a big obstacle is what girls tell each other. E. g. One girl I met told me a guy from SA gave her roommate $2000 at the start of the semester just for talking to him on the phone. I definitely didn't believe that, but I believe she believed it. Girls want to make themselves look better by inflating the amount they tell their friends they got and deflating what they had to do for it. The same thing happens among strippers who meet guys outside of the strip club.[/QUOTE]Curious what frequency you usually get for that allowance?

Ftr, not suggesting SD's like you don't exist, but you are the exception not the rule and people should keep it in mind when negotiating. The guys aggressively offering allowances, at least where I am, seem to be much more about convincing them to get to the FC a time or two, than sincere about it. What you do is at least realistic.

In terms of them embellishing for their friends, which absolutely happens, I posted the perfect example in this thread a couple of months ago. I had a M&G with a girl where it comes out after 10 minutes that she wants to be a paid social companion only, no interest in intimacy and is firm about it. I politely explained that this was going to be next to impossible and she responds that her friend has been doing it for years and been spoiled fantastically without sleeping with a single guy. Said she wasn't having much luck so far but it had only been a couple of days and because of her friend she knew it was possible. I give up convincing her as she obviously 100% believes this, and we spend the rest of lunch chatting pleasantly. Toward the end I ask if she has a pic of her friend as I was curious if I had met her. She whips out her phone, and sure enough it was a girl I had 2 or 3 times in a hotel a year ago for a very reasonable allowance which she requested. In fact, her friend and I first met for a drink for 5 minutes and then went to the FC that very same day. I just smiled to myself and said I didn't know her, but here she's telling this friend she's being paid to go to dinners and shows when she's really hitting the FC with guys after five minutes and a $4 cocktail LOL. The friend figured it out pretty quickly though because the profile was gone in under a week.

[QUOTE=TomDickNHarry;3925976]Curious what frequency you usually get for that allowance?[/QUOTE]Always twice a week. Less than that isn't enough for me, and more is too much burden on my free nights. No firm rules about time per visit, but each visit usually ends up being about three to five hours.

[QUOTE=TomDickNHarry;3925976]she responds that her friend has been doing it for years and been spoiled fantastically without sleeping with a single guy (....) sure enough it was a girl I had 2 or 3 times in a hotel a year ago for a very reasonable allowance [/QUOTE]Haha, that's hilarious. I think I'll borrow that story the next time I run across a girl with a story about her friend's SD.

[QUOTE=EasyeOne;3912202]Anybody have any experience or feedback? [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/49ed09df-6616-4171-801f-71b30a9794d6[/URL].[/QUOTE]Overall she wasn't what I was looking for, but she's prettier and sexier than those pictures, IMO. Former swimmer, spinner body with great golden skin, really nice ass and boobs. She's a real sweetheart, too. She's not kidding about being a heavy drinker, though. That's all I'm willing to share.