"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;3888000]I still think the number of truly wealthy guys on SA is infinitely small. If a wealthy guy is that concerned with discretion he'll use one of the many very well established escort agency whose whole reason for being is supplying 9's and 10's for big bucks or something like striper bars. And that bartender at the restaurant, the thousand (or two) a pop she gets is a bit to drop her panties and very much so to keep her mouth shut. We're not talking about dating here but a sugar scenario.

All this to say that when all these girls on SA claim they're used to getting big big bucks I know it's a lie every single time.[/QUOTE]There is another discriminating feature, married or not. If I were single and had all my current assets, I would be like a kid in a candy store, I would have a grand old time w / SBs. Some have said you can get pretty much anyone on the site for 500 per. However, w / a SO, there are many limitations, including hiding the $ drain. Splitting up isn't a solution because the assets aren't what they were. And, I am confident an escort agency could not provide me what I have gotten from some amazing SBs I have been lucky enough to meet and am still friendly with.

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;3888000]I still think the number of truly wealthy guys on SA is infinitely small. If a wealthy guy is that concerned with discretion he'll use one of the many very well established escort agency whose whole reason for being is supplying 9's and 10's for big bucks or something like striper bars. And that bartender at the restaurant, the thousand (or two) a pop she gets is a bit to drop her panties and very much so to keep her mouth shut. We're not talking about dating here but a sugar scenario.

All this to say that when all these girls on SA claim they're used to getting big big bucks I know it's a lie every single time.[/QUOTE]I think this is spot on. If I'm wealthy, and I'm not, I'm going with a very well established high end escort service that is going to guarantee me nothing but 10's who are going to make me believe they are in love with me. I'm certainly not on SA. I'm not convinced that any of the "10's" that are on the site are real women. The two that sought me out were scammers. I may be wrong, but one man's 5 is another man's 10!

Well, I didn't go to FC with her. Just had a dinner with her. She told me this just 3 hrs before we planned to hit the FC first time.

Dr. S.

[QUOTE=CantWinLosin;3884195]Whether or not I believed her would depend on how she told me. If she told me in a manner that demonstrated some concern for me since she would have potentially exposed me to the STD, then I'd be more likely to believe her. If she didn't, I'd ask to see the test results "before contacting my doctor" - her response (or lack of it) to that request would confirm the suspicions, or not.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BlueFalcon123;3888408]I don't know where. But she quoted me 5 bills before those panties hit the floor.[/QUOTE]Yikes! I think I will join RVA Spider and wait on the coeds comings in a few weeks. Need to get to them before they start reading the SA Blog for Women and get GPS.

[QUOTE=JustLonely;3889001]Yikes! I think I will join RVA Spider and wait on the coeds comings in a few weeks. Need to get to them before they start reading the SA Blog for Women and get GPS.[/QUOTE]I'm talking to one now who I thought I was going to meet yesterday. She bailed and now wants me to pay her $50 before we meet at Starbucks. Hot blonde college student. She said she has several guys from the site paying her just to text. I told her that she's a lucky girl. I've got plenty of cash set aside to spend on good times but I'm not overpaying even though it seems like there are plenty of SDs driving up the prices. Two more weeks and we should see the girls coming back to school.

[QUOTE=RVASpider;3889122]I'm talking to one now who I thought I was going to meet yesterday. She bailed and now wants me to pay her $50 before we meet at Starbucks. Hot blonde college student. She said she has several guys from the site paying her just to text. I told her that she's a lucky girl. I've got plenty of cash set aside to spend on good times but I'm not overpaying even though it seems like there are plenty of SDs driving up the prices. Two more weeks and we should see the girls coming back to school.[/QUOTE]I've had several "gals" want to share pictures and videos for cash but now they expect cash for texting? Good grief.

I'm curious though brother mongers, has the site changed a bit this summer or is this just a normal thing that happens this time of year? I mean, when I get the SBs to texting, we quickly come to an agreement on moving forward or cutting bait. But for the past month, I just seem to be attracting SBs that just want to text every once in awhile but can't seem to commit to meeting. I hope this is an anomaly because I'm getting pissed at all the time wasters.

[QUOTE=CoolPix;3890030]I've had several "gals" want to share pictures and videos for cash but now they expect cash for texting? Good grief.

I'm curious though brother mongers, has the site changed a bit this summer or is this just a normal thing that happens this time of year? I mean, when I get the SBs to texting, we quickly come to an agreement on moving forward or cutting bait. But for the past month, I just seem to be attracting SBs that just want to text every once in awhile but can't seem to commit to meeting. I hope this is an anomaly because I'm getting pissed at all the time wasters.[/QUOTE]I've found the same thing since the start of summer but I wasn't on the site last year so I'm not sure if this is part of the normal cycle. I'm starting to look in Va Beach hoping that it's different there.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/c39b053f-c36c-42f8-bfb9-ede580e682b8[/URL], open relationship, like hubby to watch.

[QUOTE=RVASpider;3890276]I've found the same thing since the start of summer but I wasn't on the site last year so I'm not sure if this is part of the normal cycle. I'm starting to look in Va Beach hoping that it's different there.[/QUOTE]I have had good luck in VA Beach. Although with the 2 major road projects on 64 this year, I haven't been down since the winter. Summertime traffic is too heavy and it is very time consuming to see anyone there if you are driving from Richmond.

Generally speaking I get more replies from my initial messages from women down there. My target group are waitresses over 21. A lot are working short shifts and need the extra cash and don't seem as finicky about seeing older men. Also moms in Chesapeake are a good bet. Everyone I have taken to the Amber Lantern restaurant on the the Elizabeth River for a M & G has went straight to the FC for dessert. Unfortunately with a SO back home I usually have to find someone with daytime availability. Those rare occasions when the SO goes to Roanoke to see family is when I can do the dinner dates.

It's funny how we (myself included) generally see high school girls as too young but these same girls are fair game as soon mom and dad drop them off at college 3 months later. By September, SA will be overflowing with 18 yo SBs looking for daddy; freshman girl is my favorite dessert for fall.

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;3886865]It's not going to workout that way 99% of the time. I have hardline rules of my own I follow and I do not divert from them, ever. Your scenario is what creates what I term, "serial meet and greeters" They go on dates and get slipped a few hundred here and there and realize it's easier them actually ever going to the FC and they just do that. NEVER and I repeat NEVER, pay a girl for a drink or dinner date. UNLESS, that is truly your thing and that is what you want. IE, you're too old or a medical condition keeps you from performing and you just want a woman's company. But suggesting you're showing good faith for the future? No offense my brother, but these girls will laugh at you as they walk out of the dinner date with your cash.[/QUOTE]I fully agree with this. There are now professional meet and greeters on there, which didn't even exist when I started on SA years ago. This creates the exact wrong incentive. I will on occasion do very small things, like a gift card ($40 or less) or $20 for gas for the true newbies where I really like them, that to me is a show of good faith but more important it's thoughtful, and if it's the kind of girl I'm looking for (sweet, responsible, eager to please) it will mean as much if not more to her than some money. If you're looking for a carrot this is much more of one than basically giving her part or all of what she would be getting for the actual FC because it shows that you're sincere and gets her thinking that there's more where that came from.

The only good news is that once this has happened to girls a few times and they make the decision to become a professional M&Ger, they'll ask upfront so you can pretty easily weed them out (which is an absolute NEXT in my book). But it's really unfortunate that people meet them early on and create that expectation in the first place, girls that might otherwise become good SBs go this route. That, along with guys who buy pics and videos, or send money electronically, have really degraded the site from what it was even 2 or 3 years ago.

One last thing which I say with 100% confidence, by the time near the end of the meal when the guy slides an envelope of unrequested cash over, the girl had long since decided if she intends to FC or even see him again. And that envelope will absolutely NEVER change a "No" to a "Yes. " If it's a No, then she walks out with his cash thinking at least I didn't waste my time, and hey I should probably start asking to be paid to let guys buy me dinner all the time. If it was Yes, then you'll eventually get her to the FC, but it won't be that night since she already got her reward. Bottom line don't let them catch the rabbit before the finish line.

My Brothers,

I can't seem to find the SA app in the Apple App Store. Does it no longer exist for IOS? I can find it in Google Play, but don't have a device that is compatible. I know just enough about computers to screw things up, so if any of you can help, you will need to explain it as if you were talking to a fourth grader!

Thanks in advance, and keep up the good work!

Scott.

[QUOTE=FScott;3893396]My Brothers,

I can't seem to find the SA app in the Apple App Store. Does it no longer exist for IOS? I can find it in Google Play, but don't have a device that is compatible. I know just enough about computers to screw things up, so if any of you can help, you will need to explain it as if you were talking to a fourth grader!

Thanks in advance, and keep up the good work!

Scott.[/QUOTE]Apple removed the SA app (and at least one other similar one) from the app store around the time FOSTA / SESTA was enacted. Guess their lawyers felt there may have been some liability there.

You can still access it on an Apple mobile device through the web (Safari or other web browser).

[QUOTE=Kwagmire;3893721]Apple removed the SA app (and at least one other similar one) from the app store around the time FOSTA / SESTA was enacted. Guess their lawyers felt there may have been some liability there.

You can still access it on an Apple mobile device through the web (Safari or other web browser).[/QUOTE]Does a new account on the app get the introductory offer of a week at small $? Still? I can't take a month, I get too immersed, but I am traveling to Boston, would love some company over my 3 nights away from the SO.

[QUOTE=Tidad;3890544]It's funny how we (myself included) generally see high school girls as too young but these same girls are fair game as soon mom and dad drop them off at college 3 months later. By September, SA will be overflowing with 18 yo SBs looking for daddy; freshman girl is my favorite dessert for fall.[/QUOTE]We typically don't see them on SA when in legal-but-still-in-high-school-status for two reasons. Mainly, high school means they're still under their parent's roof, so dating activity is still scrutinized. Also, while still subject to the cliques of high school and the associated rumor mill, in many cases it would be their worst nightmare for the people they went to prom with, and whom they plan to see at their 20 year reunion, to know they are banging a guy in his 50's, at least in their hometown.

Once they leave the nest for college, their entire perspective on this changes -- they are set free in a new town where they don't know as many people, and their mindset has also shifted from dependency on parents to exploring the other side of life -- those two factors form a beautiful situation. After all, isn't the whole reason mom and dad are paying tuition to help her build independence? I'm always happy to help with that. LOL.

The clique and rumor-fear issue sometimes follows them to college. I've had some that proudly introduced me to their high school friends as their date, yet others who will tell me they want to avoid going out to hot spots on on certain nights because it's college night and her friends will see her and know what's up. It's all good to me.

[QUOTE=JZLizard;3894189]
The clique and rumor-fear issue sometimes follows them to college. I've had some that proudly introduced me to their high school friends as their date, yet others who will tell me they want to avoid going out to hot spots on on certain nights because it's college night and her friends will see her and know what's up.[/QUOTE]I often wonder if many girls announce "platonic only" or "not looking for sex" as a way to save face if someone they know discovers them on the site. I have to think that 99% of the women on SA know the deal that is SA, and what is generally expected in a sugar arrangement.

For example, if one of their friends sees them on SA, and the profile says "platonic only", it looks like they're such an attractive catch that men will pay just to have dinner with them and it offers plausible deniability on the question of prostitution. It can also help program their rationalization hamster for "I wasn't actually LOOKING for sex, so I'm not a prostitute, it just HAAAPPPENED!

[URL]https://www.eros.com/virginia/files/8120388.htm?cat=1[/URL]

This one used to be in Richmond, banged her bareback 3 or 4 times, last time I met her she took advantage of my trust in her and got $$$ for rent said she was running behind and never got anything from it.

Now she is on Eros turned into a pro.

Really hot girl loves to watch porn during.

[QUOTE=Kwagmire;3895068]I often wonder if many girls announce "platonic only" or "not looking for sex" as a way to save face if someone they know discovers them on the site. I have to think that 99% of the women on SA know the deal that is SA, and what is generally expected in a sugar arrangement.

For example, if one of their friends sees them on SA, and the profile says "platonic only", it looks like they're such an attractive catch that men will pay just to have dinner with them and it offers plausible deniability on the question of prostitution. It can also help program their rationalization hamster for "I wasn't actually LOOKING for sex, so I'm not a prostitute, it just HAAAPPPENED![/QUOTE]I've absolutely converted some of the "platonic only" profiles into the FC, but what I heard from each of them is that it was in the profile only as a way to weed out creeps. Though I didn't hear it from any of those gals, no question your theory could be another reason someone puts up a profile of that type despite being open to an intimate situation.

Have to say though, unfortunately there has been a major change in the last year or two in that there are large numbers of girls who believe that platonic is feasible and so platonic only has become meaning truly platonic, in like 80% of these profiles. SA has really pushed the platonic thing in its marketing to draw more girls (more girls of any type gets more guys who pay) but even more of the shift is that there are clearly guys out there paying for platonic meets, at least the newbies before they figure out they're being taken for a ride. Now while I still think an actual ONGOING platonic situation is a virtual unicorn, what definitely does exist in larger numbers than before is the professional M&Ger. Guys have started foolishly paying for the pleasure of buying dinner for these girls, not only when requested but even nonrequested, and so many of these girls have come to realize you can make good money just doing that. As a result you even have profiles that don't say "platonic only" who really are also just trying to get free dinners and donations for nothing. Met one this weekend clearly up to that.

So I wouldn't necessarily completely dismiss a profile that says platonic only, but unlike the past unless I'm really drawn to it for some reason I won't bother because it's seldom anymore do they not actually mean it.

[QUOTE=Kwagmire;3895068]I often wonder if many girls announce "platonic only" or "not looking for sex" as a way to save face if someone they know discovers them on the site. I have to think that 99% of the women on SA know the deal that is SA, and what is generally expected in a sugar arrangement.

For example, if one of their friends sees them on SA, and the profile says "platonic only", it looks like they're such an attractive catch that men will pay just to have dinner with them and it offers plausible deniability on the question of prostitution. It can also help program their rationalization hamster for "I wasn't actually LOOKING for sex, so I'm not a prostitute, it just HAAAPPPENED![/QUOTE]Yes, that's it exactly. It gives them an out if someone spots them. It also gives them extra ammo if a guy they don't like presses them for sex and they don't want to (they can say "well I put in my profile that's not what I'm looking for").

Women learn at a very young age to employ any tactic available to preempt any suspicion or rumor of promiscuity, even if not all of them choose to use those tactics.

However, I learned at a very early age that ALL women, regardless of how hot, or what age, what level of sexual experience or what status in life are fuck-able if you can find the right buttons to push when pouring on the charm.

So is she worth the 500?.

[QUOTE=S2568;3895474][URL]https://www.eros.com/virginia/files/8120388.htm?cat=1[/URL]

This one used to be in Richmond, banged her bareback 3 or 4 times, last time I met her she took advantage of my trust in her and got $$$ for rent said she was running behind and never got anything from it.

Now she is on Eros turned into a pro.

Really hot girl loves to watch porn during.[/QUOTE]

In my experience some will use the platonic-only as a cover for when they get found out but for many (the majority?) they actually mean it. For those that mean it I think it stems from a lack of life experience where they truly believe that they are special and that a mature guy with his life together would pay her to sit there and eat a fancy dinner. Also, it costs them nothing to join the site so what do they have to loose by going fishing in a pond with no fish? Most men will totally ignore them and they'll get a handful of messages but in the end they'll leave the site after a few weeks empty-handed.

As a guy it costs you nothing to message "platonic-only" but the odds of a payoff are very low.

[QUOTE=Kwagmire;3895068]I often wonder if many girls announce "platonic only" or "not looking for sex" as a way to save face if someone they know discovers them on the site. I have to think that 99% of the women on SA know the deal that is SA, and what is generally expected in a sugar arrangement.

For example, if one of their friends sees them on SA, and the profile says "platonic only", it looks like they're such an attractive catch that men will pay just to have dinner with them and it offers plausible deniability on the question of prostitution. It can also help program their rationalization hamster for "I wasn't actually LOOKING for sex, so I'm not a prostitute, it just HAAAPPPENED![/QUOTE]

I have never seen this girl nor experienced her in person but I can positively tell you that no, she is not worth 500/ hr. There are maybe 10 girls in the country who are worth that but a girl that scams guys is absolutely not one of them. You're welcome.

[QUOTE=BStreet;3895750]So is she worth the 500?.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;3896391]In my experience some will use the platonic-only as a cover for when they get found out but for many (the majority?) they actually mean it. For those that mean it I think it stems from a lack of life experience where they truly believe that they are special and that a mature guy with his life together would pay her to sit there and eat a fancy dinner. Also, it costs them nothing to join the site so what do they have to loose by going fishing in a pond with no fish? Most men will totally ignore them and they'll get a handful of messages but in the end they'll leave the site after a few weeks empty-handed.

As a guy it costs you nothing to message "platonic-only" but the odds of a payoff are very low.[/QUOTE]Am I wrong? I thought that SA used to delete profiles of women who wanted online only. Now it is a lifestyle choice from the drop down menu. When did that happen. I am increasingly seeing profiles that say online only. That is also going to mislead people.

Bam.

[QUOTE=BamBam;3896634]Am I wrong? I thought that SA used to delete profiles of women who wanted online only. Now it is a lifestyle choice from the drop down menu. When did that happen. I am increasingly seeing profiles that say online only. That is also going to mislead people.

Bam.[/QUOTE]I'm sure part of that is SA trying to pivot a bit to protect themselves. I suppose it's also kind of like the way people change the meaning of words over time. If the dictionary says a word means "X", but everyone uses it as if it means "why", what does it actually mean? If lots of people say "arrangements" can be platonic-only, then it's a mostly valid way to use the term. (Doesn't mean I like or agree with the usage, of course.).

Hey all,

Is anyone else noticing an increase of 'older' women (by older I mean 30's and above) on SA treating this as a traditional dating site? My usual demographic is college age girls, but while waiting for the fall season to begin I've recently contacted (or been contacted by) several hot milfs and the last three I've met in as many weeks after a coffee and a little witty banter they have all led straight to the FC with Zero financial expectations. They have jobs and don't want / need the money, they either see it as Tinder (FWB) or Match (relationship) with an established guy.

Has it always been this way or did I just luck into a string of horny established milfs on SA? I'm still after the younger girls BTW haha.

Yaya.

[QUOTE=BamBam;3896634]Am I wrong? I thought that SA used to delete profiles of women who wanted online only. Now it is a lifestyle choice from the drop down menu. [/QUOTE]That's weird, because it's still there as one of the options you can report a profile for (see attached).

I report girls for that whenever I see it mentioned in their profile.

[QUOTE=Zcochran00;3897209] If lots of people say "arrangements" can be platonic-only, then it's a mostly valid way to use the term.[/QUOTE]Speaking of that, did anyone else noticed the site's hostname has changed from [URL]seekingarrangement.com[/URL] to just [URL]seeking.com[/URL], and the logo at the top of the pages now just says "Seeking" also? They must've decided the word "arrangement" exposed them to legal risk.

I bet they're still paying AdWords for the term "seeking arrangement", though.

[QUOTE=YayaGogo;3897358]Hey all,

Is anyone else noticing an increase of 'older' women (by older I mean 30's and above) on SA treating this as a traditional dating site? My usual demographic is college age girls, but while waiting for the fall season to begin I've recently contacted (or been contacted by) several hot milfs and the last three I've met in as many weeks after a coffee and a little witty banter they have all led straight to the FC with Zero financial expectations. They have jobs and don't want / need the money, they either see it as Tinder (FWB) or Match (relationship) with an established guy.

Has it always been this way or did I just luck into a string of horny established milfs on SA? I'm still after the younger girls BTW haha.

Yaya.[/QUOTE]There has always been this subset in varying ages, and it could pick up if it morphs to a more traditional dating site. Just remember: you aren't paying for them to come. You're paying for them to leave.

[QUOTE=UKnowWho;3897512]Speaking of that, did anyone else noticed the site's hostname has changed from [URL]seekingarrangement.com[/URL] to just [URL]seeking.com[/URL], and the logo at the top of the pages now just says "Seeking" also? They must've decided the word "arrangement" exposed them to legal risk.

I bet they're still paying AdWords for the term "seeking arrangement", though.[/QUOTE]Yep, and the tagline is now "Dating on Your Terms" or something like that.

I recently reconnected with an SB. I guess I'm on her "Good" list. Chatting with her, we agree to $ For B. B. Fun at her place. Late 20's slim body. She has a roommate that wanted to watch. Fine with me! When we got together the next day, roommate is a bit older but still pretty. I decided to watch them first. Haha. Hot, hot, hot. I got the still bang my SB, but not the roommate. Daty, Mish, doggie. I still got to full access to roam the roommates body with my hands. It's a sight to have two gals go at it and jump in. Nothing will top this value.

[QUOTE=YayaGogo;3897358]Hey all,

Is anyone else noticing an increase of 'older' women (by older I mean 30's and above) on SA treating this as a traditional dating site? My usual demographic is college age girls, but while waiting for the fall season to begin I've recently contacted (or been contacted by) several hot milfs and the last three I've met in as many weeks after a coffee and a little witty banter they have all led straight to the FC with Zero financial expectations. They have jobs and don't want / need the money, they either see it as Tinder (FWB) or Match (relationship) with an established guy.

Has it always been this way or did I just luck into a string of horny established milfs on SA? I'm still after the younger girls BTW haha.

[/QUOTE]Unless SA starts releasing analytic data, measuring any trend uptick (milfs or otherwise) would be difficult. Aside from maybe patterns caused by cyclical university schedules as it applies to the 18-24 age group, I suspect observations of peaks and valleys are anecdotal, depend on what city you're in, and that mileage would vary greatly depending on who you ask. Also those of us who travel & play in multiple cities, we may not notice as many peaks and valleys as someone more focused on a specific city or area -- rather our perceptions of observable trends get distributed over a larger space.

Speaking overall, on SA there's never been a shortage of 30+ types in search of casual dating, or not so casual dating (relationships), often who already have a nice job, and while they are more attracted to successful men than deadbeats (duh), have no intention of seeking financial help from an SD. If I didn't have my SO, I would banging these like it was a factory assembly line. The observation I've made though is that after about 26-27 years old, they are a little too focused on the "boyfriend" aspect for my tastes, and that's one reason I prefer booking M&Gs with the younger crowd. Over 25+ they seem to get a little too curious about who I am as a person, and generally too close for comfort, considering my current LTR is important to me.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3893765]Does a new account on the app get the introductory offer of a week at small $? Still? I can't take a month, I get too immersed, but I am traveling to Boston, would love some company over my 3 nights away from the SO.[/QUOTE]Nope. Its one flat monthly price that they want to set up as a recurring charge. I was a huge fan of the 2-week price in the old iPhone app and also found it very easy to renew using iTunes gift cards loaded to a dummy iTunes account. Now full price and a real credit card are the only option, although some claim that the Vanilla Visa gift cards now work so I suppose one anonymous option remains.

[QUOTE=UKnowWho;3897512]Speaking of that, did anyone else noticed the site's hostname has changed from [URL]seekingarrangement.com[/URL] to just [URL]seeking.com[/URL], and the logo at the top of the pages now just says "Seeking" also? They must've decided the word "arrangement" exposed them to legal risk.[/QUOTE]I just logged in and got a pop-up notice about how they've combined the "lifestyle expectation" figures they used to publish (open, minimal, practical, etc.) into the "tag system." However, now, the tag system doesn't include "sugar daddy" or "sugar baby", and any and all references to, or that imply a sugar lifestyle have been removed.

I predict [URL]seeking.com[/URL] devolves into a standard dating site for girls looking for rich guys, rather than girls looking for a true sugar relationship where both parties trade the sugar they have for the sugar they're looking for.

It will be interesting to see if the site begins banning (or not approving) members for wording in their profiles that implies an openness to "generous behavior" or "offering support" or "accepting support and mentor-ship" and the like. It would make sense that they will do this eventually, as they're obviously making changes to accommodate FOSTA / SESTA.

If they continue on this path, it will become increasingly difficult or impossible for them to justify their exorbitant monthly fees. I think it's beginning already with the shift to recurring billing -- they're obviously attempting to make up for lost revenue by relying on those of us who forget or are too lazy to cancel billing once we've gotten a bunch of contact info to set up M&Gs.

They should just move the site offshore, as one other esteemed webmaster we all know has done.

[QUOTE=Kwagmire;3899778]I just logged in and got a pop-up notice about how they've combined the "lifestyle expectation" figures they used to publish (open, minimal, practical, etc.) into the "tag system." However, now, the tag system doesn't include "sugar daddy" or "sugar baby", and any and all references to, or that imply a sugar lifestyle have been removed.

I predict [URL]seeking.com[/URL] devolves into a standard dating site for girls looking for rich guys, rather than girls looking for a true sugar relationship where both parties trade the sugar they have for the sugar they're looking for.

It will be interesting to see if the site begins banning (or not approving) members for wording in their profiles that implies an openness to "generous behavior" or "offering support" or "accepting support and mentor-ship" and the like. It would make sense that they will do this eventually, as they're obviously making changes to accommodate FOSTA / SESTA.

If they continue on this path, it will become increasingly difficult or impossible for them to justify their exorbitant monthly fees. I think it's beginning already with the shift to recurring billing -- they're obviously attempting to make up for lost revenue by relying on those of us who forget or are too lazy to cancel billing once we've gotten a bunch of contact info to set up M&Gs.
[/QUOTE]The changes may not be a bad thing for us Splenda Daddies, since it may tilt a few things in our favor. It puts a big squeeze on the scourge of ruthless pro's / UTR's, and it gives us a little more plausible deniability "hey I'm just here for the dating, the benefits that can with that you'll just have to find out". The little ladies will adapt. The smarter ones, anyway. The more money hungry among them will have to walk on eggshells now or face exile. The rest can leap back into the shadows and sewers from whence they came.

My mission hasn't changed: to empty my balls into as many greedy 18-25 why / o's as I can until my legs collapse, in the shortest amount of time and lowest possible cost.

[blue]Those guys are dreaming, sugar babies are hookers and sugar daddies are johns. The ads on "seeking" are no different than BP. The chicks won't fuck unless they get paid so the johns pay. The cops are already running stings.

A2[/blue]

No cash no sax if you pay is no real date if you are lucky or really smart and you have good talk skills you can have puss for lower price with unlimited time but for the 99.9% of us no money no honey

[QUOTE=Ardin;3899888]The changes may not be a bad thing for us Splenda Daddies, since it may tilt a few things in our favor. It puts a big squeeze on the scourge of ruthless pro's / UTR's, and it gives us a little more plausible deniability "hey I'm just here for the dating, the benefits that can with that you'll just have to find out". The little ladies will adapt. The smarter ones, anyway. The more money hungry among them will have to walk on eggshells now or face exile. The rest can leap back into the shadows and sewers from whence they came.

My mission hasn't changed: to empty my balls into as many greedy 18-25 why / o's as I can until my legs collapse, in the shortest amount of time and lowest possible cost.

[blue]Those guys are dreaming, sugar babies are hookers and sugar daddies are johns. The ads on "seeking" are no different than BP. The chicks won't fuck unless they get paid so the johns pay. The cops are already running stings.

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[blue]Those guys are dreaming, sugar babies are hookers and sugar daddies are johns. The ads on "seeking" are no different than BP. The chicks won't fuck unless they get paid so the johns pay. The cops are already running stings.

A2[/blue][/QUOTE][B]Completely[/B] agree. This is even more true following the shutdown of other sites. One can gloss it over with "game" or whatever, but you're paying them to fuck. They are hookers.

Been receiving messages from her. Considering to schedule a date. Any experience to share? Feel free to PM.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/7e251f78-3391-4a8b-ae56-47cbab664b0b[/URL]

[QUOTE][blue]The cops are already running stings.
A2[/blue][/QUOTE]For those with insight, anything particular on how to identify and avoid these profiles on SA?

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[blue] The cops are already running stings.
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For those with insight, anything particular on how to identify and avoid these profiles on SA?[/QUOTE]Are you guys 13 years old or something?

It's pretty damn clear. The law says that talking (just talking) about money for sex acts is soliciting of prostitution and is a crime. Therefore, and please pay attention here, do not discuss money for sex acts. Never-ever. For *any* reason with any individuals. I know some of you dumb fucks will still do it but really, it's that simple. Now, was that hard?

[QUOTE=Kwagmire;3899778]They should just move the site offshore, as one other esteemed webmaster we all know has done.[/QUOTE]Moving the site (I. E. The servers the site resides on) isn't enough. Ownership and operations must be offshore, in a place that either doesn't have reciprocation with the US on LE matters or that won't enforce crap that they don't believe in. US LE is going after the owner / operators, as they don't just want to shut down the site, they want the people they see as lawbreakers in jail.

For example, this site didn't just move offshore, it got sold lock, stock and barrel to a non-US entity in a country where US LE can't really touch (or at least, isn't likely to go to the effort of extracting the new owner over non-national-security matters.) That new owner probably better not try to travel to the US ever again. There's also probably some risk for any of the admins that are in the US, tho' maybe not much since they're not really running the show, just employees or volunteers.

The guy that owns SA is a US citizen and resident that's making money hand over fist from the site; he's highly unlikely to either sell the goose laying the golden eggs, or move himself to one of those few places that would protect him from US LE. His only options are to either clean up the site as much as possible relative to the new laws and hope LE doesn't come after him, or go out of business.