Strip Club Reports

[QUOTE=Amuzeme;6295218]Pricing has been in a state of flux these last few months. I haven't made a run since before the holidays but here's what I remember. All are for 15 minutes.

Lollipops - $20 to the club, $100 to the girl.

The Vue - $80 for the room, negotiated tip for the girl.

Brass Flamingo - $30 to the club, negotiated price with the girl.

Allure. Daytime $85 for the room, negotiated tip for the girl. Nighttime $100 for the room, negotiated tip for the girl.

Red Room - $85 for the room, negotiated tip for the girl.

I rarely go to Bare Assets or the Pinellas clubs, so I can't speak on their pricing.[/QUOTE]Perfect. Exactly what I was looking for. Never been to Lollipops, but at the least the price makes it worth the drive to check out.

[QUOTE=Bkbh1;6295713]Perfect. Exactly what I was looking for. Never been to Lollipops, but at the least the price makes it worth the drive to check out.[/QUOTE]Just keep your expectations in check. Lollipops isn't exactly a high end establishment.

[QUOTE=WaterMan561;6295762]Just keep your expectations in check. Lollipops isn't exactly a high end establishment.[/QUOTE]After an evening strolling down Rt 19, I learned that Brass Flamingo has raised their VIP for 15 min back to 80. A new girl at Allure was trying to push 130 for 15 min, but the room attendant corrected her. She bailed on the dance when she learned she got paid out at the end of her shift.

Been going to the clubs for a very long time. I am noticing a disturbing trend or two.

Too often I'll see a club full of customers with very few tipping. It's not really supposed to be a free show. Almost everyone can afford to drop a few bucks.

On the other hand, I am one of those guys who tips almost all the girls, even if I'm not interested. My only exception is the obnoxious ones like the Beast of Lollipops.

However, of late there are more and more girls who, after their set, disappear without coming by to say thank you. To me, that means you don't respect or appreciate me which means I will never spend another cent on you. People that know me know I often drop a lot of coin. Not anymore on some of these girls.

I know a lot of girls are aware of this sight and follow it. Pay attention ladies. I might start posting "names" of ingrates.

LT.

[QUOTE=LtAtlas;6309843]Been going to the clubs for a very long time. I am noticing a disturbing trend or two.

Too often I'll see a club full of customers with very few tipping. It's not really supposed to be a free show. Almost everyone can afford to drop a few bucks.

On the other hand, I am one of those guys who tips almost all the girls, even if I'm not interested. My only exception is the obnoxious ones like the Beast of Lollipops.

However, of late there are more and more girls who, after their set, disappear without coming by to say thank you. To me, that means you don't respect or appreciate me which means I will never spend another cent on you. People that know me know I often drop a lot of coin. Not anymore on some of these girls.

I know a lot of girls are aware of this sight and follow it. Pay attention ladies. I might start posting "names" of ingrates.

LT.[/QUOTE]I have also noticed most of the time that if I go to that stage and top and ask her to come find me when she is off stage. They always go back and sit with the same guy that has been feeding her drinks and not spending a dime on her. Looks like most of these girls should not complain if they are not making any money. Money can be made if they just got up and went and looked for it.

I'm in the area for a few days. Any of the clubs have more Latin and black girls in them than others?

[QUOTE=BlackSmith24;6310238]I'm in the area for a few days. Any of the clubs have more Latin and black girls in them than others?[/QUOTE]Diamond Dolls and Atlantis further south towards St. Pete have more latin girls than you can shake a stick at.

I enjoyed the atmosphere at Red Room. Some nice looking dancers and bartenders.

Hung out four a couple of beers but didn't pull trigger on privates.

Had 2 dancers say their min tip was $ ?

Inflation, at I that old or both?

[QUOTE=Curious928;6316761]I enjoyed the atmosphere at Red Room. Some nice looking dancers and bartenders.

Hung out four a couple of beers but didn't pull trigger on privates.

Had 2 dancers say their min tip was $ ?

Inflation, at I that old or both?[/QUOTE]It all depends on the girl and what you are looking for. I've gotten a few very enjoyable trips at Red Room for room plus. 5 tip, but they weren't full service. That will set you back.

[QUOTE=AlbinoLord;6318258]It all depends on the girl and what you are looking for. I've gotten a few very enjoyable trips at Red Room for room plus. 5 tip, but they weren't full service. That will set you back.[/QUOTE]Stopped in yesterday and had a good time during late day shift. Went in for a 15 VIP with negotiations of menu agreed but no discussion of $. As we were firing up the engines, she wanted 3. I laughed which then went to 2. And then 1. 5 where she stayed firm. But I didn't and started to leave. We came to an agreement. As time was expiring in the moment she asked for additional tip. Nice girl but not again due to the constant bargaining. I asked her if she ever gets the 3 for nonFS. She admitted some guys don't know better.

[QUOTE=Bkbh1;6318736]Stopped in yesterday and had a good time during late day shift. Went in for a 15 VIP with negotiations of menu agreed but no discussion of $. As we were firing up the engines, she wanted 3. I laughed which then went to 2. And then 1. 5 where she stayed firm. But I didn't and started to leave. We came to an agreement. As time was expiring in the moment she asked for additional tip. Nice girl but not again due to the constant bargaining. I asked her if she ever gets the 3 for nonFS. She admitted some guys don't know better.[/QUOTE]I never even got to menu. FS or otherwise.

Wonder who you tried?

Buddy wants to go to brass and I said I'll go.

What's up there and what is all the deets there.

Hit up day shift on Monday. Hot blonde bartender and Kolby. Good vibe a like 8 girls. Couple of very friendly girls. I took offer from blonde that was my type.

I stayed little night shift, few hotties but was done for night. Will him night shift this week. PM me with recommendations for fun time. I can help on dayshift.

Found myself in Pasco with a little time and money to spend, early afternoon on a Saturday.

Allure: No one there. Once again, I walked in, saw NO ONE, walked out.

Brass: 4 old white men, no girls other than the barmaid. DJ was blasting some Latin rap crap. Had a beer and walked out, along with 2 other guys. If you don't have any dancers at least play music appropriate for the patrons.

Vue: Lets just say Lollipops is closed for "remodeling". So what do I see at the Vue? The Beast from pops. Avoided it, sat down and ordered a beer. Within a half hour the place had about 2 dozen patrons and only 2 dancers, 3 if you count The Beast. The one girl was doing private dances back to back to back to back etc. Even The Beast was scoring. You would think that these girls would know that with Pops closed down, The Vue would be packed. Apparently they don't need the $$.

I had zero fun that afternoon but on the bright side I came to play with $500 and went home with $475.00.

LT.

Public Service Announcement: Stopped in the Red Room the other day. 4 or 5 girls. One of them didn't look quite right. Almost like she needed a shave. And I don't mean "her" legs. Pretty sure it was a dude. More than pretty sure. Is this club "woke" or what?

I'll just stay away from that place.

LT.

[QUOTE=LtAtlas;6342379]Public Service Announcement: Stopped in the Red Room the other day. 4 or 5 girls. One of them didn't look quite right. Almost like she needed a shave. And I don't mean "her" legs. Pretty sure it was a dude. More than pretty sure. Is this club "woke" or what?

I'll just stay away from that place.

LT.[/QUOTE]Not that I know of, I know the managers pretty well they don't seem the woke type. I wonder which one it is. Heading there today. Not for a tranny.

[QUOTE=LtAtlas;6342379]Public Service Announcement: Stopped in the Red Room the other day. 4 or 5 girls. One of them didn't look quite right. Almost like she needed a shave. And I don't mean "her" legs. Pretty sure it was a dude. More than pretty sure. Is this club "woke" or what?

I'll just stay away from that place.

LT.[/QUOTE]I saw that as well a few Sundays ago. Not sure why management wants to kill what has been the best club in Pasco.

[QUOTE=LtAtlas;6342379]Public Service Announcement: Stopped in the Red Room the other day. 4 or 5 girls. One of them didn't look quite right. Almost like she needed a shave. And I don't mean "her" legs. Pretty sure it was a dude. More than pretty sure. Is this club "woke" or what?

I'll just stay away from that place.

LT.[/QUOTE]Really muscular? I talked to "her" for a few seconds a couple weeks ago. I thought I was imaging things but apparently not.

[QUOTE=Coozie;6344407]Really muscular? I talked to "her" for a few seconds a couple weeks ago. I thought I was imaging things but apparently not.[/QUOTE]LOL. I saw "her" too and was like Damn! Is it Trans Monday at the Player's Club in Tampa? Thankfully, the rest of the girls had all more traditional lady parts, including the thin little spinner Gemini (usually wears a short wig) when she did her backflip into my lap from the stage. I can promise you that was 100% pussy in my face. If you like some more meat on the bone then Bree was there (with her signature butt plug). Also all lady parts. Several great girls there if you take the time to get to know them. Just don't be cheap and think tipping a buck or two at the stage is going to get you very far. In today's world I personal tip 3-5 each time my hand crosses that stage line. And if she is good (like Gemini in my face / chair) then there will be a few tips stage side and a couple of drinks at the bar or my table afterwards. If you want the VIP then you got to pay the house but keep in mind that the girls are really working on tips ABOVE the house rate for 15 or 30 or whatever. On an average shift the girl pays $25 (or more) house "lease" fee upfront, has to tip out the DJ, barback and bartender at the end of the night and often pay for Uber to / from work. That can easily come to over $100 BEFORE she makes any profit for the night. Strip clubs aren't charities. Some nights these girls would be better off working at McD's. So if you going to' come to the club then be ready to pay to play. They don't come to your business and waste your time for free so we got to' show 'em the same respect when we go to their workplace. Stay safe and have fun!

As long as I'm posting, just saw this on the Facebook of one of my dancer friends. Very well said I think.

PSA for all those in the club industry.

I think the club DJ has to please 2 ears. Customer and dancer. And we are different generations so a mix is required. Girls have to be comfortable with what they dance to but it also can't just be newer stuff because us old farts want some of our music too. A good DJ isn't there for their own ego or personal taste. They are there to support the dancers and to keep the customers happy and coming back. If they do that, then the DJ will make $$. They can play what they WANT at home. But at the club it is work and they need to do their job to the best of their ability to support those 2 sets of ears I mentioned above. Sadly, some DJs get stuck in their own little world and think we all want to hear what they like. We Don't. Bottom line is if the music vibe is off then I can take my $$$ elsewhere because your club obviously doesn't want it.

This is not unique to the club world as it also is true in the radio world. I was a radio DJ for 10 years and was the manager of an FM station for over 2 years. We played the music that our listeners and our advertisers wanted us to play. My personal tastes really had no bearing on what was on the playlist. Sure, I might mix in something I like here and there but this was NOT my personal play party. I had a job to do.

Now some may say "but what about the 'star' DJs who build a following?" What about them? If they are doing a play party or concert to entertain their fans then let 'them play what they want.

I don't go to a club because of the DJ. I go to see the girls. There are a LOT of clubs with pretty girls and all have plenty of over-priced drinks. So what is going to draw me back to a club as a repeat customer? 1) the girls and 2) the vibe of the club (which music is a BIG part of that vibe).

I have been a regular at different clubs over the years because the vibe was right and kept me coming back. I have also left clubs and vowed to never spend a penny there ever again. Clubs need to identify who their preferred clientele is and then set a vibe that appeals to that demographic. Sadly, some clubs don't understand this and are all over the map. Some clubs are upscale, some are ghetto, some are young EDM / hiphop / rap, and some are for us old guys who want to rock. And there are country fans out there too. A good DJ knows how to play to the vibe of the club.

[QUOTE=LtAtlas;6309843]Been going to the clubs for a very long time. I am noticing a disturbing trend or two.

Too often I'll see a club full of customers with very few tipping. It's not really supposed to be a free show. Almost everyone can afford to drop a few bucks... However, of late there are more and more girls who, after their set, disappear without coming by to say thank you. To me, that means you don't respect or appreciate me which means I will never spend another cent on you...[/QUOTE]Very valid point. I too try to tip the girls even if I'm not looking for more (VIP) or whatever. I'll also offer the ones that I *might* be interested in a drink. This gives me a chance to talk to them and pick up their "vibe" because looks alone don't do it for me. If you look like Megan Fox or Angela White but you have the personality of a rock (or are an ass) then you're never going to get me into the VIP. The thing about coming by after their stage set and saying Thank You is a great first impression (or deal breaker) way for a girl to catch my interest. Even if you got to' run off and pee (LOL. It happens) then come by a little later. But saying nothing and ignoring me just says you have zero interest in my $$.

[QUOTE=LtAtlas;6342379]Public Service Announcement: Stopped in the Red Room the other day. 4 or 5 girls. One of them didn't look quite right. Almost like she needed a shave. And I don't mean "her" legs. Pretty sure it was a dude. More than pretty sure. Is this club "woke" or what?

I'll just stay away from that place..[/QUOTE]Spent some time talking to her. Her name is Natasha and yes, she a biological woman. Not trans, no surgeries, all original lady parts. She's an IFBB (International Federation of Body Building) pro and competes. To compete at that level requires pretty hard core use of performance enhancing drugs (I. E. Steroids) for more than a few years, hence the deep voice and fuzz on her face and somewhat manly features. Go look at photos of any professional woman body builders and you'll see the same.

If a woman body builder is not your thing, it's not your thing, but she is not trans.

I stopped in about 5 pm on Monday 2/27. A few sips into my beer and she came over. We chatted some. She shared more personal info than I'd expect.

She asked about private but didn't elaborate on tips or services. So I let it go. She was called to dance and quickly ditched all clothes. Which is a good first impression.

After the dance she made circuit to thank tippers. Good sign #2.

She joined me again and asked if I was interested in private dance. She asked what I liked and said as much as I could get.

Her donation request was. 6 oral and 1. 2 CFS. She was adamant no back door.

Had a very enjoyable dance with her. Wondering if #3 on the way.

She said one of the dancers was trashy. Is that a recommendation for cheap thrills? 😈.

[QUOTE=NotFromTexas;6348750]Spent some time talking to her. Her name is Natasha and yes, she a biological woman. Not trans, no surgeries, all original lady parts. She's an IFBB (International Federation of Body Building) pro and competes. To compete at that level requires pretty hard core use of performance enhancing drugs (I. E. Steroids) for more than a few years, hence the deep voice and fuzz on her face and somewhat manly features. Go look at photos of any professional woman body builders and you'll see the same.

If a woman body builder is not your thing, it's not your thing, but she is not trans.[/QUOTE]Are we talking about this one? Because she's built like ray lewis but I still want to take her for a spin. LOL.

What's actually going on with the so called renovation at the pops?

[QUOTE=Jwatrous;6365590]What's actually going on with the so called renovation at the pops?[/QUOTE]The only way to renovate that place is to knock it down.

[QUOTE=RapidDave;6361119]Are we talking about this one? Because she's built like ray lewis but I still want to take her for a spin. LOL.[/QUOTE]That ones name it Caitlin. As long as I've known her from the clubs, unless things have changed, she's just been a bartender. She's bounced around from club to club.

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Has anyone gotten a private dance from a featured dancer? One of the ladies the club promotes "tonight come see XXX / Playboy / etc star". Obviously results vary, but what would be the price range?

Drove past Pops yesterday and found it to be painted a flaming hot pink and renamed "The Pink Pussycat". Crappy paint job, crappy name. Can't wait to see how they "remodeled" inside. If they didn't remodel the staff and dancers, what's the point?

LT.

[QUOTE=AlbinoLord;6383219]Has anyone gotten a private dance from a featured dancer? One of the ladies the club promotes "tonight come see XXX / Playboy / etc star". Obviously results vary, but what would be the price range?[/QUOTE]I doubt you can come up with a question for which the answer would be more YMMV. Every "Star" and every club will do things differently. The club wants lots of guys to come in and buy drinks. Most will dance on stage, but little else beyond posing for pictures, which they usually want to sell. Some will do lap dances at the table depending on local ordinances and a few will do VIP room trips, and what will happen there differs widely.

In few states are extras as available as they are in Florida from the local dancers, so most touring girls aren't coming in expecting to sell blow jobs in the back room. I have had some covered fun, but mostly with FL porners (there are lots of them around) who would probably meet you outside anyway. It does happen but it's more likely they may agree to a meeting OTC in my experience. Most don't want to end up with a local LEO in the VIP and make the evening news.

Some will advertise to meet fans while they are touring clubs. You usually arrange those dates with a 3rd party booker, or occasionally with the mattress actress herself through their websites. I have never initiated trying to negotiate an OTC meet with a touring girl while in a club, although in the old days some of them suggested it. If someone is coming to town, do a web search for their websites, OF or Twit accounts and see what they are saying about their trip.

In any case they are hoping to cash in on their notoriety so go with plenty of cash. Cheapest I ever got anything interesting in current times was a 400 tip. It wasn't worth it. OTC meets will go from 300 to 2500 depending on how much of a "star" they think they are. Nowadays every chippy with a web cam will claim she is a porn star. Some who I probably wouldn't bother tipping on stage normally can command 600 and up at the local notell.

It used to be different. Before camming I met stars in the true sense of the word while they were touring clubs and would readily agree to play in the VIP, or more often OTC and they weren't expecting much more than normal market rates.

In the end realize you are paying dearly for a fantasy (with all deference to the J Geils Band) In realty there is little difference between these girls and the one who show up in clubs or on better escort websites every day. They don't have magic vaginas or advanced level BJ training. Of the score or so I've known a couple were fantastic, most were average and a couple were terrible, just like anyone else you'd meet. They have just decided to let the world watch them fuck.

Jay's answer is on point. I have a little experience in this area, having met with two fairly well known "pornstars" years ago. Don't kill me, but both experiences were around 800, and were about half as fulfilling as the time I would spend with my normal utr girls for 400. So, unless it is a fantasy box that you absolutely have to check off (and I would never discourage box checking behavior) I would suggest you will get more enjoyment for less elsewhere.

[QUOTE=JayTwogo;6385958]I doubt you can come up with a question for which the answer would be more YMMV. Every "Star" and every club will do things differently. The club wants lots of guys to come in and buy drinks. Most will dance on stage, but little else beyond posing for pictures, which they usually want to sell. Some will do lap dances at the table depending on local ordinances and a few will do VIP room trips, and what will happen there differs widely.

In few states are extras as available as they are in Florida from the local dancers, so most touring girls aren't coming in expecting to sell blow jobs in the back room. I have had some covered fun, but mostly with FL porners (there are lots of them around) who would probably meet you outside anyway. It does happen but it's more likely they may agree to a meeting OTC in my experience. Most don't want to end up with a local LEO in the VIP and make the evening news.

Some will advertise to meet fans while they are touring clubs. You usually arrange those dates with a 3rd party booker, or occasionally with the mattress actress herself through their websites. I have never initiated trying to negotiate an OTC meet with a touring girl while in a club, although in the old days some of them suggested it. If someone is coming to town, do a web search for their websites, OF or Twit accounts and see what they are saying about their trip.

In any case they are hoping to cash in on their notoriety so go with plenty of cash. Cheapest I ever got anything interesting in current times was a 400 tip. It wasn't worth it. OTC meets will go from 300 to 2500 depending on how much of a "star" they think they are. Nowadays every chippy with a web cam will claim she is a porn star. Some who I probably wouldn't bother tipping on stage normally can command 600 and up at the local notell.

It used to be different. Before camming I met stars in the true sense of the word while they were touring clubs and would readily agree to play in the VIP, or more often OTC and they weren't expecting much more than normal market rates.

In the end realize you are paying dearly for a fantasy (with all deference to the J Geils Band) In realty there is little difference between these girls and the one who show up in clubs or on better escort websites every day. They don't have magic vaginas or advanced level BJ training. Of the score or so I've known a couple were fantastic, most were average and a couple were terrible, just like anyone else you'd meet. They have just decided to let the world watch them fuck.[/QUOTE]

Curiosity got the best of me so I had to stop in, late Saturday afternoon. Upside: The interior remodel looks decent, maybe the best in Pasco. Not sure about the mens room, the door was locked the entire half hour I was there. Upside: Michelle the "manager" is gone. Upside: The Barmaid was HOT.

Downside: The barmaid was clueless and appeared to be having her own little party with the "manager" and I guess the barback. Had to wait for my beer until it was convenient for her, and she took her time getting my change.

Downside: One "girl" only, who was probably in her late 40's or early 50's. Much extra flesh, but not unattractive and was very sociable.

Upside: Still $20 private fee.

Downside: Decided why not. Gave her a Benjamin to pay house and bring change. Literally took 10 minutes for this minor task. As we headed back the greasy "manager" says "Hey, where's my money?

I told him we paid, he said no we didn't. I looked at my change and the dumbass didn't take the house fee out. Paid him the $20 and ignored his slimey grin.

Downside: after we got back to the private booth, which was well lit and fairly cleaned, I was read off the Holy List of No's by the lady. The list seemed to go on forever. We started, she gave the obliging loud fake O while the idiot manager stood outside the hallway having a loud discussion with someone. Total mood killer, had her stop and I left, never to return.

You can make up the pig anyway you want, but without the right staff its still a pig.

Dreamed of a red room a couple of weeks ago around 4 pm and nothing caught my eye until walking out and exchanged smiles with someone and asked if she worked their and she said ill be here all night. Went back inside and waited. After getting ready she approached said her name was Mila and we had some talk and I asked about private dance and went to the big room. Forgot the cost for 15 min but I think it was $80. A lot of space and we had a lot of fun. Everything was on. No talk about tipping and went straight to her performance and it was so amazing. For me it was great but YMMV.

Afternoon visit. Two Cuban baddies from Tampa frequent Their Friday and weekend. Didn't have much time but one was asking 300 roses. House is still 20.

Had a dream with with Asian girl from Cambodia comes up and wants to get to know each other. Super nice. Great personality. Super Nice Body. In her 20's. Go to back and no kissing or kept moving to not touch. 100 roses was only getting hand and mouth and not even sure if BJ. Just spit and Hand shake. Asked for another 100 roses to enter in covered. I always give 100 roses for FS but I was pressed for time and just went with it. Super friendly and just amazing personality. But maybe YMMV and maybe negotiable.

[QUOTE=AlbinoLord;6383219]Has anyone gotten a private dance from a featured dancer? One of the ladies the club promotes "tonight come see XXX / Playboy / etc star". Obviously results vary, but what would be the price range?[/QUOTE]Several years ago (pre Covid) I did a private dance with a feature named Shay Lynn. She was very sexy and we had fun but honestly you may get more (spelling GFE) from one of the regular girls for less $$ With a feature you often end up paying extra for the "name brand" recognition. Same way a computer with the Dell name on it costs more than one with the Acer name on it. Even though both computers may do exactly the same job using the same hardware LOL.

Had a dream with candy and she was very friendly. Rates are negotiable, but started at 250 roses for FS. Head game was crazy good. Worth it just to do that alone I think. After house fee it was 150 roses. YMMV.

My restaurant buddies recently made multiple visits to see the vibe of the place from day, mid & night shift & here's their experience along with dancer interactions:

The Red Room seems to be the recent place for dancers to relocate from other clubs. Audrey from Icon & Brass, Kake from Lollipops & Brass, Toca from brass and other clubs, Riley aka sky from the Vue & brass and Natasha aka Olga whom my lads recognized from the destroyed Fantasys at the Beach south of Fort Myers just to name a few.

They all vary their shifts and while I liked their look in the past, YMMV is definitely accurate in describing their attitude and hygiene.

When my lads approached the stage to tip, the body odor and stank snatch smell was evident particularly on Riley. Sometimes she wears a wig, other times not. Sometimes she is presentable. Well when the guys pass by Riley amongst others, the smell coming from their nether regions killed any hope for excitement. They describe how according to what the ladies talk amongst themselves either they are homeless, just out of jail, or even worse. The following dominant dancer theme in Pasco.

Back in the day when I saw Pixie at The Vue, she was awesome. When I tipped on stage she came down & thanked me. Always took the time to freshen up before she saw me. Never asked if I had $15 bucks on me just for nothing. I think Riley can be a great companion for us gentleman but she highlights this trend:

She puts little to no consistent effort in her appearance or hygiene, asks for money for food or a motel, and if you get a dance from her, well after promising conversation you feel robbed and you get the impression that she & others like her just don't care about nothin after a point.

Maybe I've been lucky but I've used my judgment to choose ladies who want to be pleasers as opposed to be nothing more than a wallet vacuum cleaner. Besides the dancers mentioned here, before I retired I noticed that the appearance level of dancers was mostly trashy. Some I realize have had a rough upbringing. But failure to follow the golden rule has ruined the club experience for my lads so badly that a question needs to be asked:

Have the clubs become a place where anyone wants to spend their money at based on mediocre service?

Stay safe.

[QUOTE=PaulHamnet;6424500]My restaurant buddies recently made multiple visits to see the vibe of the place from day, mid & night shift & here's their experience along with dancer interactions:

The Red Room seems to be the recent place for dancers to relocate from other clubs. Audrey from Icon & Brass, Kake from Lollipops & Brass, Toca from brass and other clubs, Riley aka sky from the Vue & brass and Natasha aka Olga whom my lads recognized from the destroyed Fantasys at the Beach south of Fort Myers just to name a few.

They all vary their shifts and while I liked their look in the past, YMMV is definitely accurate in describing their attitude and hygiene.

When my lads approached the stage to tip, the body odor and stank snatch smell was evident particularly on Riley. Sometimes she wears a wig, other times not. Sometimes she is presentable. Well when the guys pass by Riley amongst others, the smell coming from their nether regions killed any hope for excitement. They describe how according to what the ladies talk amongst themselves either they are homeless, just out of jail, or even worse. The following dominant dancer theme in Pasco.

Back in the day when I saw Pixie at The Vue, she was awesome. When I tipped on stage she came down & thanked me. Always took the time to freshen up before she saw me. Never asked if I had $15 bucks on me just for nothing. I think Riley can be a great companion for us gentleman but she highlights this trend:

She puts little to no consistent effort in her appearance or hygiene, asks for money for food or a motel, and if you get a dance from her, well after promising conversation you feel robbed and you get the impression that she & others like her just don't care about nothin after a point.

Maybe I've been lucky but I've used my judgment to choose ladies who want to be pleasers as opposed to be nothing more than a wallet vacuum cleaner. Besides the dancers mentioned here, before I retired I noticed that the appearance level of dancers was mostly trashy. Some I realize have had a rough upbringing. But failure to follow the golden rule has ruined the club experience for my lads so badly that a question needs to be asked:

Have the clubs become a place where anyone wants to spend their money at based on mediocre service?

Stay safe.[/QUOTE]I have noticed the same trend. Problem is that at least at night theres alot of young fools going into the clubs "making it rain" for anything half naked. So those girls don't even have to try, they'll still make money. I feel like most (not all) girls during the day know that to get anything from us old guys they have to at least be clean and presentable. Sometimes they even pretend they like you.

I tip based on appearance and attitude, and I am usually generous. I must say, however, that recently I go home with alot more left in my wallet than in the past.

Be safe.

LT.