Strip Club Reports

Dropped in at 2, four working.

'Rainbow' offered CBJ for 60, but only if I promised not to tell anyone it was not 80.

Man this thread has sure dried up. I enjoy reading the strip club and massage reports but have yet to experience a strip club set of extras. Perhaps it's because I never go to one but really want to. I'm just a bit nervous about which place is the safest and Im not know for looking like a huge biker or strongman kinda guy. I look more like a businessman and have even been asked if I was a cop beacuse folks think I look that way.

Not a cop...never have been......

Anyone have any sense of a safe place to try for extras that'd be safe and discreet. I am not wanting to sit at the stage and drill her right there... I'm really interested in a BBBJ or a nice hand job from a pretty stripper... I don't want to be out in the open...

NukMed

Anyone have any sense of a safe place to try for extras that'd be safe and discreet. I am not wanting to sit at the stage and drill her right there... I'm really interested in a BBBJ or a nice hand job from a pretty stripper... I don't want to be out in the open...

NukMed

It may not be the safest place to go, although I have never felt uncomfortable during the day, but Dollie's is still the best for extras. You don't have to pay for a room like Wiseguys, C-Mowes, and others. It is not real private but no one pays any attention when someone else is back there. Definite extras and you can get what you are looking for for under .5.

I have not been able to go recently. Been working too damn much but I have two weeks off starting July 1st. I will be there several times during that stretch.

Does anyone know a place in the area with 18-19year old dancers offering extras?

Yes, I am also lookin for young and white if able, or young asian. I just want my first time to be all it can.

I'm heading into the area soon. Normally, I would have just booked a room at the Days or Super 8. Instead, I bid $40 for a 3-star hotel in the Collinsville area and got the Collinsville DoubleTree. The going price for the same dates on their web site is $89. Sweet.

I get to travel to your fair city once and a while and when I do, try to find time to make it to WP. Can report on my latest.

Friday afternoon I got to Dollies around 2p. Was immediately greeted by Nicole/Nicky in a very "friendly" manner. Decided to look at the other talent: Candy - a young, black, spinner, came over and immediately told me she wanted to suck my dick...told her that sounded good but was taking my time. Watched Rainbow dance and entertain someone she knew. A nice bod to be sure. Meanwhile, Nicole came over, sat beside me and her hand went straight to my crotch and she indicated her interest in doing a private. Nicole is a curvy girl, tall, probably in her early 30s. Very straightforward about her willingness to play. I said I wanted to see her dance so she was next and I bellied up close. More of the same hands in my crotch, bascially sucking me through my pants and allowed me to finger her.

Naturally, when she was done I agreed to a private. Immediately behind the "curtain" she asked what I wanted. I said a bj would be lovely. She quoted .6 to which I agreed. She immediately went to work on a lovely BBBJ. When I asked her if I had a limited amount of time, she said take as long as I want. She also showed me she had a cover if I wanted to upgrade fo FS for an additional .2. Good combo hand/mouth skills. Never rushed. Slowed when I asked and a great Russian finish. Another plus, my releases take an extended time and she wasn't in a rush to clean me up and send me on my way. Kept her hands on me until I had come completely down off the mountain.

I would definitely recommend and repeat. I asked if her if I could report here and she encouraged me. She mostly works the dayshift.

As reported, you do have to not be shy in your privates as anyone who wants to can see a good deal of what's going on...but if you're ok with that, Dollies is appropriately named, "Playhouse."

Another Guy
Be safe!

By the way each and every lady I spoke with said never, and they mean never go there after dark. Their words not mine as I have never been there before.[/QUOTE]

I will been in your area again in August. I was surprised to see in this report that the dancers said never to go to Dollies at night. I know CMoes (or is it CMows?) is down the same street as Miss Kittys. Is Dollies near CMoes? It seems to me even at night if you watch your back and do not loiter around going to and from you car you should be alright. I have been to Miss Kittys a few times and always had a fun time. I have been to CMoes/Mows once and had a "very fun" time last year. If I remember right across the street from CMoes/Mows there is another bar. Was that Dollies? I think Dollies will be the place to check out this time. I did not care for Hustler. The girls there were uppity. I was in Hollywood across from Hustler and was surprised by all the videos they had playing. No sports on any of them just porn. I think I will give Priceline a try. Have fun and be safe.

Mike,

C-Mowes is on Kingshighway - IL 111. Just north of it is Cheeks and just across the road is Wise Guys.

Dollies is on Forest, several blocks east of IL 111.

Here is the problem with dollies. Go there during the day look around. This place is on the edge of town with nothing but fields around it. There is some sort of mechanics shop or something directly behind it with a little road that wraps around the whole building. A person could come running up from any direction in that parking lot rob your ass and be in the shadows making his or her getaway in seconds. The same goes for Blondies across the street, except it is more of a biker bar with the owner usually sitting in his car probably packin. And dont think for a minute that everybody in this little town does not know that. So if you were the bad guy and had to choose which one, you tell me? Would you go for the easy score or would you go for the .44. That rymed sorry.

Brothers we have to be extra safe right now, We have very little and remember the areas we are going into for our hobby are surrounded by people who have a hell of a lot less than we do. Desperation makes good men do bad things.

Be safe

Doug

Doug,

Wise words for sure. Thanks. This recession is definitely making many that are less fortunate resort to more desperate measures. Even beyond hobbyists getting mugged in Wash. Park, you also hear about many more incidents of bank robberies, carjackings, etc. on a daily basis. We need to be careful everywhere!. Not just hobbying.

Gentlemen.-

I have visited every strip bar in Washington Park and have done so for years and never once have I been robbed, threatened, or endangered in any way and that includes Dollies.

A few things to remember:

I do not visit at night. You are taking your chances then and the crop of women is better during the day anyway IMHO.

Don't loiter. Get out of your car, get into the club and relax. When you leave don't pause or talk to anyone outside. Just leave.

Lock your car (double check just to make sure)

Don't cause any trouble. A drunken loudmouth is any easy target for thieves. If you have a disagreement with somone in the club, tell the manager and give the benefit of the doubt. If you feel cheated in some way, post it here and don't go back.

Throw something over the valuables you may have in plain view inside your automobile.

Watch your back. Stay aware of your surroundings in and out of the club.

Don't flash your money around just to impress the girls. They've seen it all before and someone else may be watching your actions a little too closely.

Be discreet when tipping. Its ok to be generous, but keep it between you and the lady.

Again, I've never had a confrontation with anyone, but be ready for that first time.

I travel alone and have always felt safe. Good luck and happy mongering.

I have never had any issues with safey at dollies. Just use common sense and watch your angles. I always do a slow drive around the lots checking the cars and perimeters for anything wierd. I try to park near the entrance. I do one final check in all directions and then head in while still checiking my sides. Leave NOTHING in the car. And when I come out, I always stop and scan the lot before moving to the car. Take percautions, and you will be safe.

Around 10pm or so on Friday we left City Nights and hit a roadblock just past that overpass going East out of the CN parking lot. There were 8 State LE and they stopped everycar and really looked everything over good. We made it past but be on the lookout.

[QUOTE=Tobydude1000]Gentlemen.-

I have visited every strip bar in Washington Park and have done so for years and never once have I been robbed, threatened, or endangered in any way and that includes Dollies.

A few things to remember:

I do not visit at night. You are taking your chances then and the crop of women is better during the day anyway IMHO.

Don't loiter. Get out of your car, get into the club and relax. When you leave don't pause or talk to anyone outside. Just leave.

Lock your car (double check just to make sure)

Don't cause any trouble. A drunken loudmouth is any easy target for thieves. If you have a disagreement with somone in the club, tell the manager and give the benefit of the doubt. If you feel cheated in some way, post it here and don't go back.

Throw something over the valuables you may have in plain view inside your automobile.

Watch your back. Stay aware of your surroundings in and out of the club.

Don't flash your money around just to impress the girls. They've seen it all before and someone else may be watching your actions a little too closely.

Be discreet when tipping. Its ok to be generous, but keep it between you and the lady.

Again, I've never had a confrontation with anyone, but be ready for that first time.

I travel alone and have always felt safe. Good luck and happy mongering.[/QUOTE]
All solid advice, especially days only and keep your money to yourself. Two other tips are park as close to the club in the center of the lot as possible and sit and look around the area for a bit before getting out.

[QUOTE=Purleybaker]All solid advice, especially days only and keep your money to yourself. Two other tips are park as close to the club in the center of the lot as possible and sit and look around the area for a bit before getting out.[/QUOTE]


All excellent advice. Another thing I do is take all critical elements out of my wallet before I leave home. Leave credit cards, etc and only take the essentials, drivers license and medical card. Also only care money I plan to spend in my wallet, keep all other in different pockets with buttons on them. Always wanted to try the pink slip but as an older white guy never had the nerve to try it alone.

A couple of years ago, I wandered into Soft Touch, just across I64 and west of Kingshighway. Another older white guy told me that this club was much like The Pink Slip, but having never tried it myself I couldn't verify.

However, the rules are pretty lax at Soft Touch. At times, I was the only person in there, but the women all offered extras and somewhat high prices.

I can remember doing some finger action with a woman on stage for so long that my digit started to shivel. For a small stage tip it was worth it.

Haven't been in many months. The competitors in Wash. Park have measured up lately so I didn't see the need.

[QUOTE=Winddance1]All excellent advice. Another thing I do is take all critical elements out of my wallet before I leave home. Leave credit cards, etc and only take the essentials, drivers license and medical card. Also only care money I plan to spend in my wallet, keep all other in different pockets with buttons on them. Always wanted to try the pink slip but as an older white guy never had the nerve to try it alone.[/QUOTE]Have been to Pink Slip many times never problem during day.

Not so sure at night.

[QUOTE=Pathfinder5]Have been to Pink Slip many times never problem during day.

Not so sure at night.[/QUOTE]I don't get to the StL area often so when I do I have to make the most of it. A couple of months ago, after spending the afternoon in Wash Park I headed to dinner then on to the Pink Slip at night. I have to say I was a little apprehensive about going in, seeing as how I was a perfect target for the bad guys. 40, white, out of shape and a little drunk! Not the smartest move I ever made, but I have to say I felt completely at ease inside and in the parking lot.

2 doormen outside the club, then a metal detector inside. Once inside, the only color that mattered was green and everything from everyone was offered, so I left a very happy man.

Again, I usually don't visit at night but have to give kudos to the folks at the Slip for making me feel very safe.

Crystal used to be my favorite a few years ago during the day extras were all over, is it the same?

I had a girl bang me during a lap dance for .60

I might wanna visit if its still good.

[QUOTE=Another Guy]I get to travel to your fair city once and a while and when I do, try to find time to make it to WP. Can report on my latest.

Friday afternoon I got to Dollies around 2p. Was immediately greeted by Nicole/Nicky in a very "friendly" manner. Decided to look at the other talent: Candy - a young, black, spinner, came over and immediately told me she wanted to suck my dick...told her that sounded good but was taking my time. Watched Rainbow dance and entertain someone she knew. A nice bod to be sure. Meanwhile, Nicole came over, sat beside me and her hand went straight to my crotch and she indicated her interest in doing a private. Nicole is a curvy girl, tall, probably in her early 30s. Very straightforward about her willingness to play. I said I wanted to see her dance so she was next and I bellied up close. More of the same hands in my crotch, bascially sucking me through my pants and allowed me to finger her.

Naturally, when she was done I agreed to a private. Immediately behind the "curtain" she asked what I wanted. I said a bj would be lovely. She quoted .6 to which I agreed. She immediately went to work on a lovely BBBJ. When I asked her if I had a limited amount of time, she said take as long as I want. She also showed me she had a cover if I wanted to upgrade fo FS for an additional .2. Good combo hand/mouth skills. Never rushed. Slowed when I asked and a great Russian finish. Another plus, my releases take an extended time and she wasn't in a rush to clean me up and send me on my way. Kept her hands on me until I had come completely down off the mountain.

I would definitely recommend and repeat. I asked if her if I could report here and she encouraged me. She mostly works the dayshift.

As reported, you do have to not be shy in your privates as anyone who wants to can see a good deal of what's going on...but if you're ok with that, Dollies is appropriately named, "Playhouse."

Another Guy
Be safe![/QUOTE]

Great customer service there. I haven't been to Dollies. I checked it out once and it was crowded in the parking lot during the day shift. I passed. I gotta say that outside of City Nights,C-moes and Wiseguys having someone offer oral is nice. I'd wish that they change up MK's back area to make it more friendly for something more than a hand release.

I went to MK's yesterday afternoon.

Parking lot had about 25 cars. Walked in and Humphrey was bar tending! Jazz was waitressing. I ordered up a cold one and asked Humphrey about a dancer and he told me she quit a month ago.

I scoped out the place a bit. Dead but two onstage.(Got to hand it to them in terms of management. If its dead they still have the girls dancing.)

I belly up to the stage for some tit slapping on my face and its Journey who gets the honor. She dosen't disappoint and we chat a bit about people we know.

Too dead for me so I suck my BL dry and exit.

Later and hope you all have a good 4th!

Southern One

I heard a rumor that there were some problems at Dollies on Thursday and that some of the girls were fired. Can anyone confirm and/or provide details?

[QUOTE=SouthernOne]I went to MK's yesterday afternoon.

Parking lot had about 25 cars. Walked in and Humphrey was bar tending! Jazz was waitressing. I ordered up a cold one and asked Humphrey about a dancer and he told me she quit a month ago.

I scoped out the place a bit. Dead but two onstage.(Got to hand it to them in terms of management. If its dead they still have the girls dancing.)

I belly up to the stage for some tit slapping on my face and its Journey who gets the honor. She dosen't disappoint and we chat a bit about people we know.

Too dead for me so I suck my BL dry and exit.

Later and hope you all have a good 4th!

Southern One[/QUOTE]

Man I'm jealous. It's been so long since I've been there and I really miss the place. Say hi to Journey for me the next time you are there!

[QUOTE=Winddance1]All excellent advice. Another thing I do is take all critical elements out of my wallet before I leave home. Leave credit cards, etc and only take the essentials, drivers license and medical card. Also only care money I plan to spend in my wallet, keep all other in different pockets with buttons on them. Always wanted to try the pink slip but as an older white guy never had the nerve to try it alone.[/QUOTE]One other thing, cell phones haven't been mentioned, but leave your "real" cell at Home, don't even leave it in your car. The last thing you want is someone in the club or a SW getting their hands on your real cell and calling people in your address book. Now, many times you'll want a cell to enter take out numbers, that's where your pay-as-you-go "play" wally world phone comes in. About 3 weeks ago I saw a very drunk college type messing with his I-phone non-stop in PT's Centerville, then 3 hours later the much drunker frat boy was nearly crying he couldn't find it. I've heard several stories of "lost" cell phones being used to extort former owners.

Also, personally, I'm older and rarely get carded, so I only walk into a club with cash and play phone. I leave the wallet with drivers license and insurance cards in the car, and leave everything else at home.

Stop in Tues just before the AllStar game..wow was it dead 8 gals 3 guys. Picked Eve a tall redhead with a great attitude. Private $.8 well worth the time.

Mr Happy was happy!

I decided to venture down to WP to see the Strippers and to see who and what I could score...

Stopped at Wise Guys after driving around to other places too. Everybody had a packed parking lot, especially Dollie's. I didn't want to be in a huge crowd so Wise Guys it would be. There were only about 8 cars on the lot there....

2:00 PM Wednesday..... I walk in and lollied up to the bar and get me a beer and sit down there. There were 3 ladies seated at a table just inside the door alone. I said hello as I walked past. I didn't even get 2 drinks down and a girl (Devine) walks up, sits next to me and says "Hello"! At the same time, she grabs Mr. Happy and begins to tumble him thru my slacks. I'd say she is pretty in the face, but a bit larger than my taste and her tits were very saggy and flattened. She leaned over and asked if I was there for some fun? I lied and told her I was waiting on someone to meet me hoping she'd move on but nope... She leaned back in and said, "You know, we can go to the private room till your frind arrives and you can have some fun with me for $150!"

"Damn...... $150", I said! She said it included all kinds of fun. I said I'd wait for a bit and think about it. Fact is, I heard it and shut it out at that time. She then leaned back in and said, "For $60, I'll give you a nice hand job and you can cum on my tits!" I said let me think about things a bit, I just got here and had never been here prior to this. She just kept on it....."I usually charge $80 to cum on my tits but today I'll let you for $60!"

I sipped on my beer and she went to the stage to dance.....

Thank god someone went to the stage to sample her...I got up and left while she was distracted thinking, Jeeeeez, can't a guy have a few seconds to scope things out. I didn't wanna come off rude, so I just kept sipping the beer till I left.

I went to PT's in Centerville..... 4 cars in the lot.

6 girls in the place.... All were cute except for a large BBW dancing onstage. I got a beer, eyed some candy and noone would join me. There were only 2 other guys there but the girls stayed at the bar and smoked/drank paying no attention to us. I did see one of the gals take one of the older guys to the stage when another girl went up to dance... They played with each other for a bit...that was nice.

I split....decided to get a massage.... Mr. Happy was wanting to get out to see something too!

I'll post in VIP section...

Got out of work early Wednesday so I thought that I would scope out City Nights and see what NS has to offer. Outside of the big tittied bartender nothing at all. 7 girls none of them more than a 5 and nothing coming off and no extras. I blew out of there after a beer and hit MK's. No sooner than I grab a beer and hit the stage am I looking at a snatch. Great way to start things off. They had 10 girls working and not one of them below a 5...all of them friendly and open to show off everything. Heaven talked me into a private for .3 Nothing special. She played with it the entire time and almost got me off twice during her time at the stage. She said that she works there once a month. She came in from Memphis with two other gitls. No one offered any extras though. Nothing like day shift at MK's.

I'm a Thunder Road/Club 64 regular, well, or at least drop by there about once a month as funds allow. That club is closer to Brooklyn, but the Brooklyn thread is more about SW'ers, so I'll post here as it's more about strip joints in the area. All the extras have dried up at Thunder Road. Got one of my regular dancers tonight, one I've Always had a good time with, and got no extras. Was told "the new mayor" was the problem. Maybe she was lying, perhaps someone else can confirm to extras at Brooklyn strip joints. I did notice the best looking bunch of women I've ever seen at Thunder Road tonight. China, who used to make Sure you were happy before you left is a young, 105 lbs oriental. The next was a "girl next door type". Looked like a perfect 18 yr old 110 lbs white brunette, as good as you'll see at any place in the metro. The other hot chic working was a mid 30's white blond, who looked perfect for her age and had way above average bolt ons. Perhaps they are getting better looking women because extras are off the table? Anyways, tonight was the first night in a decade I've come home from there un-satisfied. Such is life.

Drove by the wash rack a few times. No Sw'ers, and no LE. This was between midnight and 3 am.

If any other hobbists are up to meet up for a run on Washington Park strip joints, shoot me a message. I don't know the loop on the Illinois side for SW'ers, be nice to see the loop and shoot the bull about previous adventures on the east side.

Lastly, anyone have info on "the peek-a-boo club".. between Roxy's and the Pink Slip in Brooklyn?? I'm assuming it's much like the Pink Slip but really have no idea. PT's Brooklyn and Roxy's had empty parking lots tonight, while the Pink Slip parking was pretty full. Guess that shows where the good time is at.

Visited MK's a few weeks back on a weekday afternoon. Lots of cars but only a few men. I guess I hit shift change. Was greeted by an attractive black dancer at the bar. Think she went by Dynasty. Had a nice chat. After a few minutes, her hand was in my crotch exploring. Accompanied her to the stage when it was her turn to dance. She asked me if I wanted a private. She said it was .3 for one song and .6 for two. After we went back, she said she could make me really happy for .8. I did and she gave an excellent HJ for that. Pretty sure that's as much as is available in the club.

Yesterday, went back to MK's and met a sweet young black dancer that calls herself Trinity. Sat at the stage and had lot's of hands on time. She offered a private and I opted for one song for .3. Said could have a surprise ending for $ but I did not plan on spending that much. During the dance, I asked what it would take to get inside her and she offered her phone number. I did not have pen or paper so I took a rain check.

I wanted to check out Dollies. Wasn't there for five minutes and was offered a BJ for .4. Ended up in a booth with a different dancer, attractive blonde that goes by Candy. After we were finished, she gave me her number and wants to meet OTC. If anyone knows anything about her, let me know.

I am in no way new to hobbying, but the East side clubs were new to me. I was passing through yesterday and decided to stop at Dollies. I stopped in about 5:30 and had just sat down with a beer when I was approached by a tall brunette who called herself Rainbow. She immediately began roaming around with her hands in all the right places. She invited me to the not so private area where she agreed to finish the job and catch for 60. Like a dumb ass I gave it all to her upfront. Things started out very well but as we rounded third and headed for home she starts to finish with her hand. I said you told me you would catch and she says yes but not with my mouth that will be another 40. The runner quickly goes back to first base. In her haste to finish she got so rough I thought I was going to get blisters. When I told her it hurt more than helped she quit and started her exit. I said I thought you were going to finish and she says I tried.
I am not mad I just consider it a learning experience.

I remember Rainbow as well. Not too bad from a distance, knows how to lure you with lots of passion and contact during the stage dance, but pretty much a yawner in private.

Candy was cute little black spinner who did much for not much money. Don't remember a "Candy" who resembles a blonde. But names and faces change often.

Nikki is quite dependable and affectionate. She'll ask you to buy her a drink and she's alway in a hurry. People to see, places to go I guess.

Lauren. Tall, large bolt ons, nice but in quite the hurry as well. Her prices are also substantially higher. Excluding the "special deals" you can negotiate with her.

Sunny. Moved to Wise Guys. At Dollies she was great.

Hey all,

Had a few hours and killed them at City Nights for a first stop. I had not been there since their remodel. Geez it really opened things up inside. I sat at the bar to scope things out. 4 ladies working and sat drinking beer with a Ladonna? Huge chest. Natural, wears a wig. LOL blond. Anyway was quoted a private nothing extra for 40! I said no way and she countered w/ 35. I exited.

Next Miss Kitty's and 5 or 6 ladies. Ava, a tatted blond spinner at the stage, nice lap but some dude was drooling over her so let him have her. She acts worthy of more attention.

Diamond and another one got some play from me but all in all a fair time.

Later,

Southern One

Ps: KC, I looked for Journey to tell her Hi for you but she was not working.

I suppose this more of a question for Jackson, but is there a reason that we have General Reports and Strip Club Reports in this Wash Park section? It seems that there's a lot of cross-pollination, with actual strip club reports posted in General; I've done this myself, by accident. Maybe there was a reason for this at one point, but it seems that Brooklyn's section has all the SW activity for the area and that most/all the reports here are of the WP clubs.

Just curious.

O314

Not too long ago I popped into Dollies to grab a beer and see if anything was new and worth taking for a spin. I was approached right away by a heavy young lady (not thick) in a g-string and t-shirt. She smelled like a ashtray that someone poured a beer into. I politely fended her off. There is a tall, very attractive blonde who, for some reason, I have never been able to get her attention. (I tend not to rush the stage).

I was sitting there when Rainbow came by to say hello. She sat with me and we chatted about her growing up as a "Hippy" child and her travels. She sat on my lap and worked on enticing me to go back for a private. I had been with her a little over a year ago. I don't remember it as being a negative. So I gave her a shot but offered less that she was requesting. She balked, I said "fine, thanks anyway". She relented and we moved to the beaded booths.

She is very fit, nice breasts and great toned ass. Her grooming could be better. Unfortunately, I must have pissed her off by bartering. She was very slow at getting started. She launched into the typical rant about not being seen doing anything and that there where video cameras watching.

CBJ/FS turned into a HE. True, I didn't get our deal in writing... and 3 songs turned into 2.

If she was the only dancer in the club, I would chat with her, even buy her a drink, but I have taken the walk to the beads for the last time with Rainbow.

Yeah - I've the line about cameras just once before. I believe that its just an excuse. I haver never once seen a camera at Dollies or MK for that matter. There would be no way to hide what's going on back there from even the cheapest of video cameras. Leave it Rainbow to throw that one out to someone who doesn't know any better.

Today is Jamie's last day. She's one of the best, and surely will be missed.

[QUOTE=Country Boy #3]Today is Jamie's last day. She's one of the best, and surely will be missed.[/QUOTE]Yes, been visiting Jamie for what seems to be forever now. I'm really going to miss her.

Already thinking of making a road trip to see her.

Anyone know where a dancer named Coda is working? She was at Hollywood for a few days then disappeared. I'm wondering if she switched clubs or gave up the scene. She's way hot and gives killer dances if you can find her.

Long time regular of Dollies and former manager and yes there are cameras up on the walls past the beads. The owner and managers don't care what they see from the ladies but I think it was mainly for protection against any kind of problems and Rainbow is a BIG headcase.




[QUOTE=Tobydude1000]Yeah - I've the line about cameras just once before. I believe that its just an excuse. I haver never once seen a camera at Dollies or MK for that matter. There would be no way to hide what's going on back there from even the cheapest of video cameras. Leave it Rainbow to throw that one out to someone who doesn't know any better.[/QUOTE]