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[QUOTE=Ilapp;1528581]There are providers out there that will accept any sort of request, irregardless of danger, depravity, or violence. If that is what you desire, then find those that will agree and good luck to all involved, but just because you throw some cash down you have no license to go beyond the wishes and limits expressed by your provider. In a less clandestine world it rises to the level of a felony.[/QUOTE]I'm trying to make an assumption as to what happened. Sounds like the old "sure I have one on." followed by a quick removal and cream pie finish. As you rightly point out, that is shitty and I hope the provider lets everyone know that this occurred to them. If it was more extreme than that, the provider should file charges. Unfortunately, it sounds like this monger figures that the provider won't do that due to the circumstance that the 'event' occurred. Hell, if it was a simple removal of the condom without consent I think that would be sexual assault in the very least.

As everyone has beat home the point multiple times. Mongers as well as providers can make choices. If a monger is out there abusing the rights of the provider, I for one would like to know who the hell it was so that I won't provide them any intel moving forward. They should be run out of this forum if they're out there abusing the provider trust relationship that we all have to rely upon as well.

[QUOTE=Lion7170;1526895]Alexa Cordae contacted me to say she is visiting today. See her if you can.[/QUOTE]Had a 12 noon appt with her on Friday and she sent me an email saying she wasnt coming to Indy because she was sick. Hmmm.

I hope that if she didn't want to meet that she would have just said so.

[QUOTE=Ilapp;1528581]I know Big Mack, and he has helped me before, I don' t have any quarter with him. This story has nothing to do with him, those he has seen, it was not him that was needing a referral and and Miss Pie likes to hear herself in print more than I must. As I wrote, the situation I referred to was coincidentally linked to this current topic. The jerk who posts here in question will remain un-named as long as I don't hear of him pulling the shit again. I was asked just to warn providers I know of what he did and for them to be cautious / prepared. I apologize if I wasn't clear enough and I trust BM understood I wasn't referring to him. As I said, anything a provider and client agree to is fine with me, but I can't stand assholes who go beyond those boundaries when they have been clearly expressed. I imagine most of us at some point have gotten caught up in the moment and gone places we didn't see coming, but that we went there was by mutual consent is the key. There are providers out there that will accept any sort of request, irregardless of danger, depravity, or violence. If that is what you desire, then find those that will agree and good luck to all involved, but just because you throw some cash down you have no license to go beyond the wishes and limits expressed by your provider. In a less clandestine world it rises to the level of a felony.[/QUOTE]The way I read your post I thought it was Big Mack you were at odds with. He also has helped me so if I offended you not my intent. Thanks for the clarification and have a nice rest of the weekend. PTMan

[QUOTE=FqIdiot;1528602]I'm trying to make an assumption as to what happened.[/QUOTE]Why make an assumption. Who cares what is assumed. It's what happened and privacy to the offended is more important. What happened exactly is not the point. Why can't some of you get it. When did NO, mean Yes. Why doesn't NO mean NO. Accidents happen, but at the moment of it happening and NO is used then choice is taken away. When sexual activity is discussed or happening it's two choices that have to come to consent. I don't care whether it's a constant harrassing request, a request during a session that previously was NO, or it was forced without a request and consent was not involved when the previous answer was NO. I don't care what the activity is water sports, BBBJ, COB or any other activity. Don't take choice away.

Ilapp is right, this had nothing to do with Big Mac and making assumptions that it did is as wrong as taking away choice. I hope the hobbyist involved knows that he took choice away and has learned from this.

FF.

PS. They key is respect to all ladies even if they don't have freckles.

[QUOTE=Ilapp;1528581]In a less clandestine world it rises to the level of a felony.[/QUOTE]In this one, too, and that can't be stressed enough, especially here. You don't abandon your rights because you're doing something illegal, or "wrong" or "bad". (In fact the idea that many of us are even violating Indiana statutes, other than when we're set up by our Uncle, is debatable. A "gift" does not confer the right to make demands.) You certainly don't invite assault by technically committing a misdemeanor. That attitude should be returned to the 19th century, or the Middle Ages, where it belongs. I know, you can't depend on Leo to look out for you. But you should, at minimum, be aware that civil remedies may be available to you, and on the preponderance of evidence.

Money can be coercive. Harassment can certainly be coercive. Who other than people in the hobby should better realize that the fact that something is agreed to "between consenting adults" does not make everything neat and tidy and legal in everyone's eyes?

It's the height of ridiculousness to complain about the excesses (Super Bowl and otherwise) of Uncle Leo, then gratuitously provide him with fodder in a well-watched forum. The spread of disease is the old stalking horse of the anti-sex forces in and outside of law enforcement. It's been superseded in recent years by hyperbolical claims of sex slavery and child prostitution, but it's still there. And "a poster on an internet sex forum recently admitted that all 'hobbyists' really want to have unprotected sex, and many do" is no doubt already the pull-quote in a fundraising email from the same folks who brought flying nun brigades and anti-sex soap bars to a fleabag near you last February. If you don't know enough to keep your mouth shut, then keep your mouth shut.

And let's understand each other. It's no one else's business if you bareback consensually with someone else, but it is our business when you decide to announce it in public, and ask the rest of us to applaud you. It is our business if, in order to reach that point, you proposition fifty women you've never met, and make them feel more uncomfortable, and more fearful of their safety, than the police do. Unless you're paying yourself for tugjobs you're not hobbying in a vacuum. And unless you're concerned with provider safety and security you're a pariah.

[QUOTE=Puntang Man;1528818]The way I read your post I thought it was Big Mack you were at odds with. He also has helped me so if I offended you not my intent. Thanks for the clarification and have a nice rest of the weekend. PTMan[/QUOTE]Totally my fault, I couldn't see to type for the steam coming out my ears apparently, very confusing post on my part. (for some you can save it, I know the always are).

[QUOTE=FqIdiot; 1528602]I'm trying to make an assumption as to what happened. Sounds like the old "sure I have one on." followed by a quick removal and cream pie finish. As you rightly point out, that is shitty and I hope the provider lets everyone know that this occurred to them. If it was more extreme than that, the provider should file charges. Unfortunately, it sounds like this monger figures that the provider won't do that due to the circumstance that the 'event' occurred. Hell, if it was a simple removal of the condom without consent I think that would be sexual assault in the very least.

As everyone has beat home the point multiple times. Mongers as well as providers can make choices. If a monger is out there abusing the rights of the provider, I for one would like to know who the hell it was so that I won't provide them any intel moving forward. They should be run out of this forum if they're out there abusing the provider trust relationship that we all have to rely upon as well.[/QUOTE]There is a can of serious worms here, evidenced by your thoughts, and the always interesting and thought provoking comment by BB, and addressed here in times past. Was I there, no, even though I too am sometimes paying to hide in the closet. None of you took me for a voyeur, that's why I'm a closet voyeur, but hobby in comfort, this is the only way I will come out of that closet. It's just me and a little JVC, not Chris Hansen and dateline in there with me, no one will be popping out, well little ilapp maybe. This provider is a pro, one of the best known and best reviewed, and although this statement may really pry open that can, she understands, in her way of thinking at least, some inherent risks and dangers come with the job, whether that thinking is correct or not, I think I have never had a provider that I knew somewhat, that didn't suffer some unwanted " abuse" whatever form it may have come in, and thought it to be inherent to the job in some way. This girl was mad, but I also know she would take his money again and trust that this time the fool won't go out into Isaac without a coat, never asked how the story " finished" because wasn't the real issue and not necessary for me to know. Once again, one of the sadder statements about all of this. At least I know she has warned those she knows to be careful with this one. Hell, for all I know, maybe it's the first time he ever did that, maybe he felt awful about it, went home and wretched and could not sleep, racked with guilt. Then again I have some girls that would love to see you if you would just like to purchase one of these fine teddy bears I happen to have.

Interesting point, I am sure we have all known a number of providers who have become pregnant while still " working", and assuming since this was a young macho kind of hobbiest, not one of us old blank shooters, and depending how the finish may have occurred, I wonder how he handles going to revisit a provider he has done this to, and she introduces him to Asshole Jr, when he comes through the door. Guess we would see how much of a man he is then wouldn't we? Might be tough to explain to Mom about her first grandchild (it is total supposition as to whether the AH in question has a mother or prior children, not inferring I would know that, just musing)

The Hotfriends main site and also the members site is down and does not appear to be active. Anyone have any info as to why?

Thanks

The asshole has been on his best behavior. Good thing too, couple providers nicknamed Lorena are ready if he tries anything again Hopefully this is the end of this and that

Traveling to Kokomo next week.

Can anyone suggest a provider that might want my company?

After loosing touch with my favorite Jennifer Texted me from a new phone number. Boy was I happy Its like finding that high school hot chick all over again! Had a great dream while visiting her and reminded me why she was my ATF for a long time. No rush and great service felt like a king!

[QUOTE=Bfeguy; 1528729]Had a 12 noon appt with her on Friday and she sent me an email saying she wasnt coming to Indy because she was sick. Hmmm.

I hope that if she didn't want to meet that she would have just said so.[/QUOTE]It most likely means she didn't get enough appointments to make the trip, or to stay an extra day, whatever.

[QUOTE=Bfeguy; 1528729]Had a 12 noon appt with her on Friday and she sent me an email saying she wasnt coming to Indy because she was sick. Hmmm.

I hope that if she didn't want to meet that she would have just said so.[/QUOTE]Easy to see why she might not have felt up to the trip, or maybe not enough commitments to make it worth ten hours of road time was the reason She has been able to make it a couple times since. Curious though, would that really have made you feel better about it had she told you she just didn't want to see you? She's pretty straight up girl, logistics for her, especially this far are tough, still one of my very top ATFs, they don't get get much better than her. Actually good thing her visits are rare, myself and a few of my friends would be broke long ago were she convenient to see, that and we we would all be threatening to leave home would she have us (LOL fortunately I'm sure she wouldn't)

[QUOTE=BagoHammer1;1528393]I had an appointment to see Bella Donna today. Her previous monger wouldn't leave and I waited for way too long in the lot. I'm a moron for waiting as long as I did. She was texting me the whole time that this guy wouldn't leave. Bah. Wanker. I have no idea if I will reschedule. I'll post a review if I do.[/QUOTE]So I did reschedule with Bella the next weekend. A good time was had by all. Sr's are welcome to pm with questions.

I think it has been a long time since I had an issue with a provider, but I just found out that Lisa, from NR, is spreading the word that she is scared of me. Hmmm, let's see, she used to be one of my best discoveries, a hot long redheaded freckled provider, with good service, just what I like. However stupid me bought food for her kids so CPS wouldn't take them, gave her cash when she needed it, and bought a phone and plan for her when her old one broke so her daughters school could stay in touch with her. She now sets up appointments on the same phone and plan I paid for. When I try for weeks to contact her to set up an appointment to recover some of my previous generosity, she ignores me. Then when I stop by to see her and find out what is up, which I had done several times in the past with no incident, her BF that lives with her assaults me. Now she is telling other hobbyists that she is scared of me. Lisa, from previously BP and now NR, you should be more scared of the following:

1. A BF that leaves the house right before your customer arrives and drives around the block waiting until your customer is gone and has a temper out of control. He is such a good influence on your daughter! Who knows, maybe he will focus that temper towards other customers also.

2. The bedbugs that infest your house and bite your daughter, along with all the flies that carry disease.

3. The fact that your life is out of control and you have your BF assault others that went out of their way to help you when you needed help but you didn't even have the decency to respond to them.

So fellow hobbyists beware of this one. Her BF is loose cannon, who knows when he will go off. Make sure you disinfect yourself after leaving her house you wouldn't want to take anything home with you. Those that don't believe my review, there are some senior members that can substantiate what I have said. Sometimes a provider needs to move on. Too bad, Lisa was good, but not worth the drama.

FF.

PS. Did you know Nancy on BP has freckles? Great service also.