"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Starkey2008;3777356]Fred,

Tried to answer your message but your inbox is full.

Starkey.[/QUOTE]Clear thanks.

[QUOTE=Starkey2008;3777345]I'll PM you her info.

Starkey.[/QUOTE]I communicated with her in the past couple months as well. If you could send info to me as well it would be much appreciated.

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;3777281]Dodged that bullet.[/QUOTE]Same. Thanks Starkey. She's been messaging me for months but something didn't feel right with her.

[QUOTE=Starkey2008;3776790]Stay away from her! She's been outing guys on her FB page. Posting messages, pictures, social media profiles etc. And she's reaching out to try to contact their friends and family. She's bad news.

You've been warned!

Starkey.[/QUOTE]I did a M & G with her over a year ago. Too business like and it was obvious that we had no chemistry within a few minutes. She had recently got a new full sized Prius so I knew from the start that she wasn't going to be a cheap SB. She has other friends that are on SA. Unfortunately for me I had seen one of those recently so she had already had a heads up on me.

She is on WYP as well. She never gave me her phone number once we agreed to meet. The only one in all my time who didn't do that.

Anyone have any thought show SESTA / FOSTA will affect SA? I'm guessing overreaching the's will start poking around on the site. I have been outright offered P4 P on the site.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;3778539]Anyone have any thought show SESTA / FOSTA will affect SA? I'm guessing overreaching the's will start poking around on the site. I have been outright offered P4 P on the site.[/QUOTE]Its full of hookers. The number of escorts grow there dailey and has for last couple of years. No stop in sight and that's because when your sd are negotiating BJ prices and calling working girls sbs it becomes an escort site.

I've been back on SA for nearly a month after a long hiatus, and a couple of things have occurred to me. I see a lot of young girls in my area who say they are 'bubbly' on their profiles. What have people found for these types? Have you been successful, and if so how, and how far did it go? One might think they are unrealistic airheads, expecting to find a Brad Pitt who gives them 10 K allowance for a month.

Also, there are these little pull-down tabs, one of which is Financial Domination. I know FinDom generally, where the girl expects to be paid to do nothing. However, if you read explicitly what SA says, for Financial Domination it is that "I'm looking to be financially dominated". Obviously, this applies to SDs, not SBs, so putting it on their profiles at least means the POT is a little clueless. I select against profiles that include this. Am I missing out?

[blue]Only if you want to give money to chicks so they treat you like shit and don't fuck you. You could always just get married if you want to do that.

A2[/blue]

I agree that there are people on SA these days that also appeared on BP or CL. I have seen them, I have had a few girls make direct $ proposals after minimal SA chitchat. I reported them forthwith, as well. I have had girls in texts ask if 700 was OK for a first date. But, her profile also says "I can host for the right guy". She doesn't think of herself as an escort, probably, but I lost interest and blocked her.

Yep. She's real good buddies with Veronica / Haley, who has been on SA, BP, WYP etc.

[QUOTE=JustLonely;3778306]I did a M & G with her over a year ago. Too business like and it was obvious that we had no chemistry within a few minutes. She had recently got a new full sized Prius so I knew from the start that she wasn't going to be a cheap SB. She has other friends that are on SA. Unfortunately for me I had seen one of those recently so she had already had a heads up on me.

She is on WYP as well. She never gave me her phone number once we agreed to meet. The only one in all my time who didn't do that.[/QUOTE]

As of April 1, all paypal accounts will require linked bank accounts.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3778603]Its full of hookers. The number of escorts grow there dailey and has for last couple of years. No stop in sight and that's because when your sd are negotiating BJ prices and calling working girls sbs it becomes an escort site.[/QUOTE]It is full of hookers but I have been able to weed out the gems. I mean it is what it is. The young ones are bat shit crazy. But they can be loads of fun. I suppose we are in a sense. Would many of our friends and associates approve? I had this nice little filipina lined up the other day after days of posting. We agree to a place and time. I go out there and she goes dead. Waste of and hour and a half.

The fact that there are some escorts on the site and many guys treat all the girls like escorts puts the site at risk and by extension members of the site at risk as well.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;3779458]It is full of hookers but I have been able to weed out the gems. I mean it is what it is. The young ones are bat shit crazy. But they can be loads of fun. I suppose we are in a sense. Would many of our friends and associates approve? I had this nice little filipina lined up the other day after days of posting. We agree to a place and time. I go out there and she goes dead. Waste of and hour and a half.[/QUOTE]

Hey all,

This is my first post on here, but I have been around the game for a little while, and am just now trying to get back into it after a few year hiatus. I realize it may be asking for a lot being my first post here.

The SA site is new to me and I know there is 660 pages on here of information, and some very good information as well, just been too much to find everything I am looking for.

I am trying to stay within a pretty specific area near where I live (middle peninsula).

Found one girl that is gorgeous, and was wondering if anyone had any Intel on her before taking the monthly plunge on the site (or if she is able to read messages without full membership). Her profile is Skm77.

Again any info about the site would be beneficial.

Can anyone tell me if they have or knows anyone that has had a arrangement with this lady?

[QUOTE=MossyMoss;3780032]Hey all,

This is my first post on here, but I have been around the game for a little while, and am just now trying to get back into it after a few year hiatus. I realize it may be asking for a lot being my first post here.

The SA site is new to me and I know there is 660 pages on here of information, and some very good information as well, just been too much to find everything I am looking for.

I am trying to stay within a pretty specific area near where I live (middle peninsula).

Found one girl that is gorgeous, and was wondering if anyone had any Intel on her before taking the monthly plunge on the site (or if she is able to read messages without full membership). Her profile is Skm77.

Again any info about the site would be beneficial.[/QUOTE]I joined SA after CL, rip, went down.

I would appreciate any helpful info and advise. I tried to put my email and phone number (a number of different ways) and it was rejected.

Thanks in advance.

Just quick bite and cash.

Some here mock those of us who are techies or very cautious or both. So be it. I like this trick I just learned for my Android smart burner TracFone. With it you get a gmail account. I was noticing on the phone that when texts came in, it would briefly show something about the email address I set up. I wondered. I had never actually used the email account, but when I got in, there were all of my texts, in the form of emails to that address.

Why do I care about this? I have a SO, and therefore I never, never have my burner in my home. This created large blocks of time when I can't read texts on my phone. Not anymore.

225 for her time very direct to the point 225 for pop you poping in 10 second you say good bye to 225.

[QUOTE=TheMarto1;3780752]225 for her time very direct to the point 225 for pop you poping in 10 second you say good bye to 225.[/QUOTE]Can you pm her number to me? Thanks.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;3779458]It is full of hookers but I have been able to weed out the gems. I mean it is what it is. The young ones are bat shit crazy. But they can be loads of fun. I suppose we are in a sense. Would many of our friends and associates approve? I had this nice little filipina lined up the other day after days of posting. We agree to a place and time. I go out there and she goes dead. Waste of and hour and a half.[/QUOTE]Did she live in Bolingbrook? I met one who told me some guy got crazy on her for standing her up. She also told me some guy abandoned her in Indiana after doing her and paying with fake money. No idea if her stories are true or not. But a nice looking little Filipina with big tits.

Two weeks in SA for suger bowl play, I think I scored one UTR, one Escort and only one true SB but she is not that good in bed and I am too lazy to teach her I may not repeat.

It is more complicated that I expect- a total different game. I would say P411 and USAAC sometime is more straightforward and easier to play. Here are my thoughts and your comment are welcome.

1. didn't expect there are so many scammers- escorts, UTRs and even worse real sacmmers who aim to rob or blackmail you. No such issue on P411. Have to ask SA why we SDs have to deal with these crap when we paying 80-90/ Mon. For the premium membership.

2 it is much more time consuming to hunt for good SBs. I am still in game with 2-3 pot but when my work getting busy, I prob don't have the time play the game. Seems to me it is easier just read reviews on ter and find a highly reviewed GFE escort and make reservation then I am done- No scammers and risk free.

3. While we SDs have to weed out the nongenuine SBs, the new joined college SBs are scarred off SA by flood of P2 P offers. Anyone can give SA a solution on these. I think they should probably just verify identify of everyone so this site is clean.

Anyway. That is my rant. Now I am going back to textings w my POTs- these two both want M&G next week and hope I can score a good SB.

[QUOTE=JoeBogus;2454245]From a midwest hobbist I just want to thank all of you here on the SB thread. In a month I've contacted 6 or 8 POTS and run all of them through the 5 steps. Not one that has gotten to step 4 has turned down the $100 per meerting offer.

My first success was one that short circuited my steps and texted me to come see her on her day off from work. Went right to the FC. She was just OK in my eyes, but she wants another meeting.

This is fun.[/QUOTE]I tried search and go through earlier pages from 2015. No luck to find HollywoodGuys 5 step game plan. Can HollywoodGuy or other seniors here repost it??

Thanks for helping out new guys here.

And just because they are gorgeous doesn't mean shit, I had a gorgeous one but once we met I soon realized I had a GPS girl on my hands. Her sexual skills and attitude were lacking and crappy.

[QUOTE=MossyMoss;3780032]Hey all,

This is my first post on here, but I have been around the game for a little while, and am just now trying to get back into it after a few year hiatus. I realize it may be asking for a lot being my first post here.

The SA site is new to me and I know there is 660 pages on here of information, and some very good information as well, just been too much to find everything I am looking for.

I am trying to stay within a pretty specific area near where I live (middle peninsula).

Found one girl that is gorgeous, and was wondering if anyone had any Intel on her before taking the monthly plunge on the site (or if she is able to read messages without full membership). Her profile is Skm77.

Again any info about the site would be beneficial.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Statecho;3781957]I tried search and go through earlier pages from 2015. No luck to find HollywoodGuys 5 step game plan. Can HollywoodGuy or other seniors here repost it??

Thanks for helping out new guys here.[/QUOTE]Go to the LA Sd thread. You should find him there. He has certain taste that work for the group he is searching in. At one time his max was 100 and anything spent during meeting was deducted from the 100. Really doubt his sb came from sa but the LA thread is where you will find him.

[QUOTE=Statecho;3781957]I tried search and go through earlier pages from 2015. No luck to find HollywoodGuys 5 step game plan. Can HollywoodGuy or other seniors here repost it??

Thanks for helping out new guys here.[/QUOTE]It's linked in the thread FAQ I put together a couple years ago, towards the bottom of the "Part 2: Contacting" entry here: [URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?15100-Sugarbaby-Thread-Highlights-Index-and-FAQ&p=2480292&viewfull=1#post2480292[/URL].

Do some guys have non-physical relationships with SBs? I've come across a few girls that say they get paid to hang out with men without having to do anything sexual. These girls want $400+ to go out to dinner and say that talking about paying for sex is off limits. I'm sure for some there is a crazy amount they would accept to have sex but I am curious to find out if anyone pays for a truly platonic relationship.

I'm sure it happens, but you can bet it is much more rare than they will admit. Girls will lie about the allowance they have received and about having platonic relationships.

There are all kinds of forums with advice to girls on how to land a "Platonic" sugar daddy. Most advice involves leading the guy on, making him believe intimacy is around the corner while extracting as much money from the guy as possible. They give advice on how to find gullable, desperate men with money. I'm sure many girls initially join with the intent of being platonic only to learn that isn't realistic. They either leave the site or reset their standards.

I think many girls also falsely claim to be platonic to their boyfriends, friends and family that learn about their sugar lifestyle.

I've known several girls that claimed to be platonic in their profile, but were open to intimacy. One had a boyfriend who knew she was on the site and she told him she was only platonic and even showed him her profile as proof. Another claimed to use it to weed out the straight Pay 4 Play guys, but was open to it for the right guy if the connection was there.

I made some newbie mistakes early on and allowed some girls to get money from me before "the panties hit the floor". That doesn't happen anymore, but we all make rookie mistakes. That's why it is valuable to learn from others and read this forum.

[QUOTE=RVASpider;3782664]Do some guys have non-physical relationships with SBs? I've come across a few girls that say they get paid to hang out with men without having to do anything sexual. These girls want $400+ to go out to dinner and say that talking about paying for sex is off limits. I'm sure for some there is a crazy amount they would accept to have sex but I am curious to find out if anyone pays for a truly platonic relationship.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Statecho;3781957]I tried search and go through earlier pages from 2015. No luck to find HollywoodGuys 5 step game plan. Can HollywoodGuy or other seniors here repost it??

Thanks for helping out new guys here.[/QUOTE]Start with the Index and FAQ. However, I highly recommend looking at it as an overall glimpse into the perspective of various SDs, and not so much a how-to guide to be followed to the letter. Read it and try to develop your own style. I've written a lot about what works for me, but my game hinges on exercise as a mandatory component of it, and I would have diminished results due to lower T levels and sexual performance if I stopped exercising and let myself go, I'm sure.

HWG's "stepped game plan", to the best of my knowledge, hinged on sending out pre-typed marketing blasts to lots of girls offering specific amounts of money. I don't know if people still do this, but I do know SA now detects this "form letter" approach to mails and some members have reported account suspension over these marketing blasts. Further more, this technique only works with pros, a real SB will get creeped out by offers for money in the first message -- you have to be much smoother than this if you want to land a real SB. What's more, increasingly, it's a very bad idea to make any sort of monetary offer for sex over digital communications, and it not only puts the hobby in jeopardy, and you at legal risk, but it draws more pros to SA and makes it harder to find a real SB. So much so, that if you read some of the SB boards in other cities, you'll find a lot of sugaring noobs don't even know the difference between an SB and a utr/pro.

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;3782787]I'm sure it happens, but you can bet it is much more rare than they will admit. Girls will lie about the allowance they have received and about having platonic relationships.

There are all kinds of forums with advice to girls on how to land a "Platonic" sugar daddy. Most advice involves leading the guy on, making him believe intimacy is around the corner while extracting as much money from the guy as possible. They give advice on how to find gullable, desperate men with money. I'm sure many girls initially join with the intent of being platonic only to learn that isn't realistic. They either leave the site or reset their standards.

I think many girls also falsely claim to be platonic to their boyfriends, friends and family that learn about their sugar lifestyle.

I've known several girls that claimed to be platonic in their profile, but were open to intimacy. One had a boyfriend who knew she was on the site and she told him she was only platonic and even showed him her profile as proof. Another claimed to use it to weed out the straight Pay 4 Play guys, but was open to it for the right guy if the connection was there.

I made some newbie mistakes early on and allowed some girls to get money from me before "the panties hit the floor". That doesn't happen anymore, but we all make rookie mistakes. That's why it is valuable to learn from others and read this forum.[/QUOTE]It's amazing how different I handle the site and the relationships now than when I first joined. Much of change is because of what I've learned here. I luckily have not paid for any meet and greets but I know it happens. I usually tell them that I'll pick up the tab for coffee or drinks and we can discuss details at that meeting. If it's not something I want to pursue, I'm out no more than $20-$25 for a couple of drinks. The site can be addicting and I can see how people can easily get sucked in and scammed out of money. Thankfully I found this site before I went too far with that one.

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;3782787]I'm sure it happens, but you can bet it is much more rare than they will admit. Girls will lie about the allowance they have received and about having platonic relationships.

There are all kinds of forums with advice to girls on how to land a "Platonic" sugar daddy. Most advice involves leading the guy on, making him believe intimacy is around the corner while extracting as much money from the guy as possible. They give advice on how to find gullable, desperate men with money. I'm sure many girls initially join with the intent of being platonic only to learn that isn't realistic. They either leave the site or reset their standards.

I think many girls also falsely claim to be platonic to their boyfriends, friends and family that learn about their sugar lifestyle.

I've known several girls that claimed to be platonic in their profile, but were open to intimacy. One had a boyfriend who knew she was on the site and she told him she was only platonic and even showed him her profile as proof. Another claimed to use it to weed out the straight Pay 4 Play guys, but was open to it for the right guy if the connection was there.

I made some newbie mistakes early on and allowed some girls to get money from me before "the panties hit the floor". That doesn't happen anymore, but we all make rookie mistakes. That's why it is valuable to learn from others and read this forum.[/QUOTE]The trick to weed those out who lead you on is to simply say you're patient but not desperate, and so it can go at her pace but the arrangement doesn't begin until she's comfortable. Other than maybe a coupe of dollars for gas and buying the meal / drinks, do not provide any support. If she's just leading you on with promises of intimacy but has no intent of doing it, she will quickly disappear in search of a sucker. If she's sincere about being up for it but wants to take her time, then this will only help speed it up.

And yes, they embellish / lie to their friends and family about their experiences, both about allowances and intimacy. I've been with two girls with bf's and one with a hubby that knew they were on the site, but thought they were on there and getting paid to go to shows and dinners with 80 yo guys, meanwhile we were spending several hours in a hotel room. Had a M&G with one a while back where over drinks she says she wants platonic companionship only. I nicely explained that it was unrealistic but she was firm and absolutely convinced that it was possible and common, b / c her friend had been doing platonic only arrangements for the last 2 years. I suggested the friend might be exaggerating, and she was incredulous. I remained respectful, convo was pleasant, and then before we left asked to see a pic of the friend "out of curiousity. " Sure enough it was a girl I had taken to the FC several times a year or so ago LOL. Platonic my ass, she just didn't want to admit what she was doing, but this girl believed her 1000% and created a profile thinking she could do that too. She deleted the profile like a week later.

[QUOTE=TomDickNHarry;3783018]
And yes, they embellish / lie to their friends and family about their experiences, both about allowances and intimacy. I've been with two girls with bf's and one with a hubby that knew they were on the site, but thought they were on there and getting paid to go to shows and dinners with 80 yo guys, meanwhile we were spending several hours in a hotel room. Had a M&G with one a while back where over drinks she says she wants platonic companionship only. I nicely explained that it was unrealistic but she was firm and absolutely convinced that it was possible and common, b / c her friend had been doing platonic only arrangements for the last 2 years. I suggested the friend might be exaggerating, and she was incredulous. I remained respectful, convo was pleasant, and then before we left asked to see a pic of the friend "out of curiousity. " Sure enough it was a girl I had taken to the FC several times a year or so ago LOL. Platonic my ass, she just didn't want to admit what she was doing, but this girl believed her 1000% and created a profile thinking she could do that too. She deleted the profile like a week later.[/QUOTE]This friggin paragraph.

It's all you need to know about how girls talk about their experience to each other and to new SDs.

I've had success with "platonic" girls by being patient and respectful as well. The temptation is to call them out on it, but what's the point of that?

I let them know that I'm not looking for a platonic relationship and that no relationship would hold my attention long if intimacy wasn't ultimately a part of it. I tell them I'm willing to go slow and get to know each other before starting an arrangement. If that is not what they are looking for, I let them know I respect their view, wish them luck and to let me know if they reconsider.

Thanks to how many guys act on the site, it doesn't take them long to see reality. If they disappear, I saved myself some wasted time. If they contact me again, I know they understand my expectations.

[QUOTE=TomDickNHarry;3783018]The trick to weed those out who lead you on is to simply say you're patient but not desperate, and so it can go at her pace but the arrangement doesn't begin until she's comfortable. Other than maybe a coupe of dollars for gas and buying the meal / drinks, do not provide any support. If she's just leading you on with promises of intimacy but has no intent of doing it, she will quickly disappear in search of a sucker. If she's sincere about being up for it but wants to take her time, then this will only help speed it up.

And yes, they embellish / lie to their friends and family about their experiences, both about allowances and intimacy. I've been with two girls with bf's and one with a hubby that knew they were on the site, but thought they were on there and getting paid to go to shows and dinners with 80 yo guys, meanwhile we were spending several hours in a hotel room. Had a M&G with one a while back where over drinks she says she wants platonic companionship only. I nicely explained that it was unrealistic but she was firm and absolutely convinced that it was possible and common, b / c her friend had been doing platonic only arrangements for the last 2 years. I suggested the friend might be exaggerating, and she was incredulous. I remained respectful, convo was pleasant, and then before we left asked to see a pic of the friend "out of curiousity. " Sure enough it was a girl I had taken to the FC several times a year or so ago LOL. Platonic my ass, she just didn't want to admit what she was doing, but this girl believed her 1000% and created a profile thinking she could do that too. She deleted the profile like a week later.[/QUOTE]

Dipping my toe in the bowl and lined up a M&G.

Thanks to the great info on this site, I was able to find out who she really is and quite a bit of info about her.

Pretty sure she has a boyfriend. Should I be worried about them scamming?

Anyone have experience with girls who have boyfriends / SO where it went bad because they were both trying to scam you?

Am I being overly paranoid?

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;3783181]I've had success with "platonic" girls by being patient and respectful as well. The temptation is to call them out on it, but what's the point of that?

I let them know that I'm not looking for a platonic relationship and that no relationship would hold my attention long if intimacy wasn't ultimately a part of it. I tell them I'm willing to go slow and get to know each other before starting an arrangement. If that is not what they are looking for, I let them know I respect their view, wish them luck and to let me know if they reconsider.

Thanks to how many guys act on the site, it doesn't take them long to see reality. If they disappear, I saved myself some wasted time. If they contact me again, I know they understand my expectations.[/QUOTE]I'm very intrigued by this approach. How were the girl's performance once they agreed to go through with it? Were the experiences below or above average? PM if you'd like.

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;3783195]I'm very intrigued by this approach. How were the girl's performance once they agreed to go through with it? Were the experiences below or above average? PM if you'd like.[/QUOTE]I've had one that said it was platonic only, went out for drinks, and ended up having fun in my car that night. It was fantastic and I've seen her twice since then. I feel like I've weeded through about 50 girls through messaging and have about 10-12 that I've either met or expect to meet soon.

Liv_N_Love aka Rvalover. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Cabsauv1997;3783189]Dipping my toe in the bowl and lined up a M&G.

Thanks to the great info on this site, I was able to find out who she really is and quite a bit of info about her.

Pretty sure she has a boyfriend. Should I be worried about them scamming?

Anyone have experience with girls who have boyfriends / SO where it went bad because they were both trying to scam you?

Am I being overly paranoid?[/QUOTE]My opinion. The presence of a boyfriend alone shouldn't scare you completely off. My current SB has a live-in boyfriend. Heck, come to think of it I believe they are engaged. I don't believe he is in a position to provide for her (I. E. Pay bills, small shopping items, etc.) or isn't giving her the attention she desires. Either way, it has been perfect for me because of my own marital status. She doesn't require dinner dates on the town nor does she catch an attitude if she doesn't hear from me in a day or two. Easy Pee Zee, just the way I like it.

My advice to you is to take it slow and have some patience. Scammers, LEO and weirdos want things to happen quickly and on their terms. They want you to come to their location at a specified time and any deviation, no matter how small it is (like meeting one mile away from the spot or 30 minutes earlier, etc.) turns into mountain for them to overcome. It has been mentioned plenty of times on this forum, the scammers or hardened pros are working a quick hustle. Developing a true SB requires patience and allows you to weed the crazies out.

But a potential SB having a boyfriend isn't an automatic disqualifier for me. Ripper.

[QUOTE=RVASpider;3783892]Liv_N_Love aka Rvalover. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Killer photo gallery and seems eager to share but could not get much details out of her.

[QUOTE=Cabsauv1997;3783189]Dipping my toe in the bowl and lined up a M&G.

Thanks to the great info on this site, I was able to find out who she really is and quite a bit of info about her.

Pretty sure she has a boyfriend. Should I be worried about them scamming?

Anyone have experience with girls who have boyfriends / SO where it went bad because they were both trying to scam you?

Am I being overly paranoid?[/QUOTE]I'm talking to one that has a boyfriend, which I've confirmed from her social media. She says he doesn't know but I'm definitely extra cautious on this one. She wants money for the initial meeting, which I will not agree to so we will see if anything comes of it. Maybe it's the same girl.

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;3784464]Killer photo gallery and seems eager to share but could not get much details out of her.[/QUOTE]Photos are awesome but the $$ she wants is insane.