"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=TravelinSD;3752083]When searching for an SB I AM looking for long term with chemistry and a connection. When the topic of assistance comes up I always couch it that the chemistry is important to me and if I give her a high allowance I'll never know if she's seeing me for me or just the money. I also say that the assistance would increase over time once trust is established and the relationship develops. Finally, I tell her that a beautiful woman like you can certainly find someone to give them 400 or 500 per meet, but most of these will be one and done or have tons of strings attached. If you're willing to see me for my modest assistance, then I know our time together and experiences are more important than the allowance and things.

Does this always work? Of course not. But, for me it's a screening method to get rid of pros, semi-pros and GPS girls.

Good hunting!

Travelin.[/QUOTE]If she's there, she's there for the money and not you. End of story.

Agreed.

My rule of thumb is whatever she needs above 100-200 is the amount she needs to hold her nose and spend time with you. The bigger the number, the less she actually likes you. (Corollary: the less she likes you the less fun the naughty times will be.).

This might come as a surprise to some but you can find an actual model (and no not a girl who calls herself "a model" but a bona-fide working 22 year old 5'11' size 2 model) that's happy to hang for 200. Or a 20 year old 95 lbs blue eyed 10/10 stunner for the same amount. If she actually likes you and have a connection it's all possible. Try telling that to the plump plain girls that ask for 400 and 500 per meet!

[QUOTE=TravelinSD;3752083]When searching for an SB I AM looking for long term with chemistry and a connection. When the topic of assistance comes up I always couch it that the chemistry is important to me and if I give her a high allowance I'll never know if she's seeing me for me or just the money. I also say that the assistance would increase over time once trust is established and the relationship develops. Finally, I tell her that a beautiful woman like you can certainly find someone to give them 400 or 500 per meet, but most of these will be one and done or have tons of strings attached. If you're willing to see me for my modest assistance, then I know our time together and experiences are more important than the allowance and things.

Does this always work? Of course not. But, for me it's a screening method to get rid of pros, semi-pros and GPS girls.

Good hunting!

Travelin.[/QUOTE]

The kind of girls I'm looking for are more interested in the quality of their experience and other factors like picking the guys, being comfortable, having fun, than maximizing their earnings. If they wanted to make the most possible money they would become an escort and blindly see 5 guys a day. So if you're nice and fun, you don't need to compete by offering those kinds of numbers, at least with those types, which is what I'm seeking on there.

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;3752165]Agreed.

My rule of thumb is whatever she needs above 100-200 is the amount she needs to hold her nose and spend time with you. The bigger the number, the less she actually likes you. (Corollary: the less she likes you the less fun the naughty times will be.).

This might come as a surprise to some but you can find an actual model (and no not a girl who calls herself "a model" but a bona-fide working 22 year old 5'11' size 2 model) that's happy to hang for 200. Or a 20 year old 95 lbs blue eyed 10/10 stunner for the same amount. If she actually likes you and have a connection it's all possible. Try telling that to the plump plain girls that ask for 400 and 500 per meet![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TomDickNHarry;3752372]The kind of girls I'm looking for are more interested in the quality of their experience and other factors like picking the guys, being comfortable, having fun, than maximizing their earnings. If they wanted to make the most possible money they would become an escort and blindly see 5 guys a day. So if you're nice and fun, you don't need to compete by offering those kinds of numbers, at least with those types, which is what I'm seeking on there.[/QUOTE]There is nothing, and I mean nothing as satisfying as a young hot thing telling you "Daddy, you can do absolutely anything to want to me anytime you want. I'm all yours". And she means it too.

Earlier this week, I was on SA at 10 pm when a 19 yo college girl messaged. It was a cold rainy night during her spring break. She seemed to want to move quickly, we went to text messages, she wanted a real picture and I sent it. She very aggressively persuaded me to come to her dorm room where she was alone, her roomates being out of town. She was a tall slender pretty black girl. Amazing! Wants 200 per meet and well worth it. The sex was great, I worshipped her slender young body and made her cum twice. She said she wanted to be my SB and I have tentatively agreed. We'll see if she invites me again. Who knows. Next time it would need to be at a hotel since her roomates are coming back. She just wants sex in private, no dates in public or shopping because her family and friends live nearby. I think it was a little dumb and reckless to invite me to her dorm room, but she said she liked me by my profile on SA, that she was similar to me and had the same goals for an SB / SD relationship. So maybe it pays to write a careful and accurate profile? If the story continues I may update in a few months.

[QUOTE=TomDickNHarry;3751791]There's an FAQ in this thread as well as tips and such. If you don't know what FC is, I'd honestly suggest you read those b / c there's a lot you need to learn to maximize your experience, beyond just that term. This is a great resource, use it and leverage our experience. Happy hunting.[/QUOTE]Glad to see the time I spent collecting that info together was worth it.

Many thanks for the effort you put in. It not only is super useful for newbies, but saves all of is for repeating the same conversations over and over again.

[QUOTE=Zcochran00;3752770]Glad to see the time I spent collecting that info together was worth it.[/QUOTE]

Recently I met a nice 20-something from one of the SB sites, and we enjoyed a m&g dinner together. Since she lives at some distance I was planning to see her for dinner again soon and start making plans to move on from there. For some reason today I decided to run her phone no thru one of the online reverse phone services. My experience with them has been about 50-50 as far as useful information. However this one came up red flags all over. Assault charges, dwi, court dates, her real name, address, etc. I think this shows the benefit of checking up on these gals because 90% of them are hiding something and they lie like crazy. I highly recommend doing the checks. In VA the court records are an open book once you know a name and a locality. I can't say that for every state but it's worth looking into.

Now my dilemma is that I think this girl could be a fun time, and her legal offenses are not terrible in my opinion, and I'm not there to judge. The court will do that. Unfortunately this type of girl ends up with huge debt from fines, loss of driving license, etc and that makes meeting very tough. (None are drug offenses, which is automatic disqualification in my book) She might even pull jail time. But I don't feel like supporting a chick's legal costs with my "sugar". All I can say is that it's a minefield out there and you need to get ALL the info on a girl then make your decision as far as making an arrangement with her.

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[QUOTE=KrustyDawg7;3754135]Recently I met a nice 20-something from one of the SB sites, and we enjoyed a m&g dinner together. Since she lives at some distance I was planning to see her for dinner again soon and start making plans to move on from there. For some reason today I decided to run her phone no thru one of the online reverse phone services. My experience with them has been about 50-50 as far as useful information. However this one came up red flags all over. Assault charges, dwi, court dates, her real name, address, etc. I think this shows the benefit of checking up on these gals because 90% of them are hiding something and they lie like crazy. I highly recommend doing the checks. In VA the court records are an open book once you know a name and a locality. I can't say that for every state but it's worth looking into.

Now my dilemma is that I think this girl could be a fun time, and her legal offenses are not terrible in my opinion, and I'm not there to judge. The court will do that. Unfortunately this type of girl ends up with huge debt from fines, loss of driving license, etc and that makes meeting very tough. (None are drug offenses, which is automatic disqualification in my book) She might even pull jail time. But I don't feel like supporting a chick's legal costs with my "sugar". All I can say is that it's a minefield out there and you need to get ALL the info on a girl then make your decision as far as making an arrangement with her.[/QUOTE]For me all these arrangements are about how much pain I'm willing to endure. A 19 year old is exactly what 19 year old's are.

[QUOTE=Zcochran00;3752770]Glad to see the time I spent collecting that info together was worth it.[/QUOTE]Not only was it worth it, it is probably the most valuable contribution to this thread (perhaps this website) by a single individual -- all of us owe you thanks.

I can only imagine the man hours and bandwidth saved by reducing redundant conversations and helping newbies get started. Now all we need, to solve the second most common bandwidth and time waster is a "Mongers Transition Guide to the Bowl" to help educate guys who are accustomed to the escort world, and help enable them to wrap their heads around the difference between escorts and true SBs (or if they aren't interested in transitioning, at least help them understand why its unwise to pontificate about a hobby they do not understand). It would have to come from a fresh pen though, because I've written enough on the subject and have come to the conclusion it is challenging job that requires more patience or free time than I have; it involves much more than filling in the blanks for newcomers seeking knowledge. In involves trying to impart knowledge to folks who don't even realize they need it and have probably decided they don't need to learn anything new. Lots of guys out there enter the thread asserting that any woman who seeks financial security is a pro, without realizing they are basically talking about their own moms, daughters and sisters (because ALL women seek same). The bowl, and what takes place in it has such a wide range of variance and possibilities that is more complex than the simple escort / john transaction, and thus apparently cognitively out of reach for some.

I have been communicating with this one by text lately. I am looking for any intel that someone might have on this Asian spinner. I also can share info on others.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/136eb3a4-ef42-432f-b35c-b481b8c28360[/URL]

Scammed out of 400 I was visiting Ft Lauderdale for a conference and messaged back an forth for about a week and texted. Set up a date she comes to my room I had a small gift for her with the money inside she opened it up excused herself to go to bathroom came out and said she wanted to make a private call goes outside in to the hallway and I never saw her again, Use your discretion when meeting for the first time.

HER NAME IS SANDYFEETS in Ft Lauderdale she blocked me so I cannot give you a link.

Live and learn CM.

Don't know about this one. In my experience, asians have been total GPS and with tons of excuses for what and what not can be achieved in first few meets. I tried handful of them and none worked out to finishline. On contrary I had successes with others.

May be YMMV. Good Luck. Keep us posted:).

[QUOTE=Rvaexec60;3754805]I have been communicating with this one by text lately. I am looking for any intel that someone might have on this Asian spinner. I also can share info on others.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/136eb3a4-ef42-432f-b35c-b481b8c28360[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Apothecary;3755216]Don't know about this one. In my experience, asians have been total GPS and with tons of excuses for what and what not can be achieved in first few meets. I tried handful of them and none worked out to finishline. On contrary I had successes with others.

May be YMMV. Good Luck. Keep us posted:).[/QUOTE]I had an Asian that wanted 1 K per meet. I was going to point out that you can go to a multitude of AMPs and get laid for 160. But I let it go. I ended up on a pred list. It was either some pyshing on the site or this one girl I was talking to when I first got on the site. I got it removed but it was a pain in the ass. GV is your friend. Never give your real first name. Keep your pictures private or only exchange thru text after you've established a little rapport.

[QUOTE=Rvaexec60;3754805]I have been communicating with this one by text lately. I am looking for any intel that someone might have on this Asian spinner. I also can share info on others.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/136eb3a4-ef42-432f-b35c-b481b8c28360[/URL][/QUOTE]I posted about her here:

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?9746-quot-Sugarbabies-quot-quot-Arrangements-quot-Amateurs-or-Not&p=3729799&viewfull=1#post3729799[/URL]

Sounds like my story. In my early days on SA, I had almost exact same experience. Due to my soft corner for asians, I was trying real hard, and landed up sharing pics w / o much of caution those days. One of them were asking like 800 per meet and this SB's number when I googled pointed to a real person's name who she claimed to be and her insta was an open book pretty much. When I expressed my surprise to her openness about this, she took that as an offense to her. She wanted to talk with me over the phone about that. I declined and said let's just chat over texting only. I don't know what happened after that and suddenly she started the whole conversation of feminism, and as you can imagine that's a dead end to any conversation these days. And of course she reported me to SA saying bla blah that I questioned her female integrity and what not. I took the screenshot of texts and sent back to SA stating that I have never been disrespectful to any woman I have ever interacted including her. They could see from my SA messages too that I always approached everyone with utmost respect and treating the site as one of the dating sites. SA did not take any action.

She claimed to be "American born Asian", honestly those are the ones on the extreme end of GPS, they were totally confused when it came to giving but for $$ they are always ready, and their conversation scared me a lot. Again that's just for me, so YMMV.

Good luck brothers.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;3755431]I had an Asian that wanted 1 K per meet. I was going to point out that you can go to a multitude of AMPs and get laid for 160. But I let it go. I ended up on a pred list. It was either some pyshing on the site or this one girl I was talking to when I first got on the site. I got it removed but it was a pain in the ass. GV is your friend. Never give your real first name. Keep your pictures private or only exchange thru text after you've established a little rapport.[/QUOTE]

Appreciate your suggestions!

Thanks.

[QUOTE=RoadWarrior007;3756621]Appreciate your suggestions!

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I've used google voice for years. You can set it to link with your messaging app on your phone so it acts like an intermediary.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;3757713]I've used google voice for years. You can set it to link with your messaging app on your phone so it acts like an intermediary.[/QUOTE]Can you clarify one thing about GV? I have been using it recently on my Android phone, I like it fine. I gave the GV # to a POT, and she decides to call me. I was busy so I didn't answer, then responded with a text. However, the incoming call and the outgoing text were on my burner #, not my GV #. It's not a big deal, she's a nice lady, I don't feel any threat. However, for those of you who use GV on your personal phone to keep safe (say from a SO, avoiding the existence of a burner), I can see this could be a problem. I would prefer everything go through GV now that I have it. Please tell me what I have done wrong with my settings, or is this 'normal operation'?

[QUOTE=RoadWarrior007;3756621]Appreciate your suggestions!

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I've liked using the Burner app. It's pretty user friendly.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3758389]Can you clarify one thing about GV? I have been using it recently on my Android phone, I like it fine. I gave the GV # to a POT, and she decides to call me. I was busy so I didn't answer, then responded with a text. However, the incoming call and the outgoing text were on my burner #, not my GV #. It's not a big deal, she's a nice lady, I don't feel any threat. However, for those of you who use GV on your personal phone to keep safe (say from a SO, avoiding the existence of a burner), I can see this could be a problem. I would prefer everything go through GV now that I have it. Please tell me what I have done wrong with my settings, or is this 'normal operation'?[/QUOTE]Yeah, I hear you. Common "bug" with GV as it were. Had a buddy do something similar and ended up calling the girl back on his regular phone (I. E. NOT layered GV on burner) and she got his real number. That was fine as she was cool, except for the fact that SB called real number while his SO was borrowing his phone!

The thing you need to do with GV is [b]make sure you are in the app when you initiate any calls or texts.[/b] Oh sure, the real number comes into your burner phone or real phone and the phone always asks you if you wish to return the call. But that is NOT the app asking! I think if one looks closely they will see the VERY subtle difference. So you have to step away from that message and back into the app.

GV used to go to my iOs messaging app when I first set it up. I logged out and logged back in and now it only goes to the GV app so nothing in my messages. Not sure how that happened but you might try the same off google how to do it.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3758389]Can you clarify one thing about GV? I have been using it recently on my Android phone, I like it fine. I gave the GV # to a POT, and she decides to call me. I was busy so I didn't answer, then responded with a text. However, the incoming call and the outgoing text were on my burner #, not my GV #. It's not a big deal, she's a nice lady, I don't feel any threat. However, for those of you who use GV on your personal phone to keep safe (say from a SO, avoiding the existence of a burner), I can see this could be a problem. I would prefer everything go through GV now that I have it. Please tell me what I have done wrong with my settings, or is this 'normal operation'?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TomDickNHarry;3751007]Saw somewhere someone said they got OneVanilla Visa to work in the last week. Last time I got rejected initially, but then changed the registration info on the card to an actual generic address instead of the fake I was using, and then it took it.[/QUOTE]I have been rejected for using a fake address too. Vanilla one cards and a $500 gift card I received for a sales contest. The $500 card is on hold (pfraud is the actual status). They have been holding $350 of my money for 6 months now and I have been fighting with their customer service team in India for 3 months. I finally gave in and gave them a copy of my drivers license, actual address and real name. It goes against all my rules but $350 is a fair chunk of change. It's still not resolved even after doing all of that.

Their software could not verify the address (an actual address) with my fake name so they just shut the card down. On the upside, I get to speak to someone in Delhi a few times a month.

[QUOTE=CletePurcell;3760285]I have been rejected for using a fake address too. Vanilla one cards and a $500 gift card I received for a sales contest. The $500 card is on hold (pfraud is the actual status). They have been holding $350 of my money for 6 months now and I have been fighting with their customer service team in India for 3 months. I finally gave in and gave them a copy of my drivers license, actual address and real name. It goes against all my rules but $350 is a fair chunk of change. It's still not resolved even after doing all of that.

Their software could not verify the address (an actual address) with my fake name so they just shut the card down. On the upside, I get to speak to someone in Delhi a few times a month.[/QUOTE]I wanted to talk to them about predalert. In two months I've been hit twice. WTF! Are they pyshing here or are they in cahoots with these vermin?

They got me twice. Both GV numbers and my picture is nondescript and shows no face so I give a shit. I emailed SA tech support and told them about it and said that the male community is talking about it. I think if we all email them they may actually do something about it. They said their lawyers are working on it.

[QUOTE=Apothecary;3750468]Brothers.

So after a bit of initial relapses, I landed up meeting with a sweet SB. We have already met couple of times. She is a bit unbelievable one with such brain and beauty. I am honestly surprised why she is at SA at all But here's the twist, I am heading out for a short business trip soon and I am wondering if it might be a good idea to bring her along. It's a short couple of days trip and I don't have a lot of work to wrap up so essentially plenty of time I can technically spend with her. Has anyone tried that sort of adventure with SB here? At this point, we both know each other by our alias only, no personal info disclosed and we meet privately only. If I do take her on this trip then I guess we will disclose our true identities to each other. My goal is to just have a pure fun trip with her day and night. Am I am over expanding my wings here? What should I be watching here? Is this the dumbest idea ever? Give me pros and cons so that I can think straight.[/QUOTE]That really depends on your situation and what you have to lose.

If your single with no SO, or no problem if your relationship became public knowledge then go for it.

I just wrapped up a two year SD / SO relationship with a 25 year old that sounds similar. Model looks, legit bikini model and a 3. 8 student.

I think it was a month before she told me her name, but like six months before I told her all my personal stuff. Saw her 1-4 Times a month. Actually caught feelings for each other but with the safety net of both having SOs and not wanting more than we had.

Plus huge age difference.

It was an awesome two years. Back to the escort scene. Plus cultivating a new SB.

If your driving she will know your vehicle and plate but you could leave her in the car when you check in and keep your identity private. If your both flying together that would be tough.

Good luck!

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3759278]Yeah, I hear you. Common "bug" with GV as it were. Had a buddy do something similar and ended up calling the girl back on his regular phone (I. E. NOT layered GV on burner) and she got his real number. That was fine as she was cool, except for the fact that SB called real number while his SO was borrowing his phone!

The thing you need to do with GV is [b]make sure you are in the app when you initiate any calls or texts.[/b] Oh sure, the real number comes into your burner phone or real phone and the phone always asks you if you wish to return the call. But that is NOT the app asking! I think if one looks closely they will see the VERY subtle difference. So you have to step away from that message and back into the app.[/QUOTE]I've made the same mistake with GV. I called a provider back after missing her call. Then realized I dialed her back from my real cell number. Luckily it was a escort I've seenfor years and she is cool.

Definitely a wake up call. Luckily I'm Super careful with my phone when around the SO.

I have been reading this board for a long time. The information provided has been instrumental in me making.

Several connections on SA. I want to return the favor to anyone who might be interested in meeting an attractive.

Asian SB who needs help. I am taking some time away from the scene for a while.

So please PM me if you are interested and live in RVA area.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;3760467]I wanted to talk to them about predalert. In two months I've been hit twice. WTF! Are they pyshing here or are they in cahoots with these vermin?[/QUOTE]Sorry for my ignorance but what is predalert? Is Vanilla one no longer working.

Fellow member from Charleston, SC. You guys are doing a wonderful job here to the SD community with this thread. Tremendously valuable information. Let me explain my situation. I signed up for SA about few months ago just for a month. I chatted with about 50 girls, met 8 girls in person (2 flaked), and went on dates with 5 (all intimate to hotel rooms except one). But, my gut feeling is that all of those five are either Pros or at least UTR escorts. I was not inclined to go on repeat dates with any of those girls. My objective of joining SA is to find a decent SB with whom I can have little bit closer relationship or connection than what I get from a BP girl or UTR escort where it is just one hour affair and done.

I think the results I got from SA is mainly due to my own flawed approach. I am obsessed with privacy and anonymity, and don't want to be featured in sites such as pred alert etc. I am divorced and no SO, but don't want my children to know what's going on. My ethnicity is not white or black and it is rare, and I have unique features so if my face photo is placed in such a website, it would be easy for anyone who knows me to identify me. Although I am not into social media, there are enough of my photos on the web with my name associated for my professional work.

I was a premium member at SA and had a profile photo very casual and with no face shown. Did not upload any private photos. I have chatted with about 10 girls whom I thought serous SB's and what I am looking for (mostly college girls and some other 25-30 yr range). In most cases, we agreed on almost everything (I am not a haggler when it comes to allowance as long as the offer is reasonable), except the photo issue. They were adamant either I upload private photos and give access to them or e-mail or text them photos. I was stubborn and didn't give in, so most of these chats ended there. My argument was that I was ready to M&G any place and any time they want before going on a date, so photos are not necessary. Looking back, the girls who did not demand the photos (and whom I met and dates) are the Pros. I understand why a serious SB wants to see photo of a person before agreeing to M&G, it was a mistake from my end.

I am going to renew membership again and trying to relax my rules on photos so that I can actually get a real SB to meet me. Few advice I need from fellow members.

1. Do you think giving access to private photos after establishing good connection with a girl is safer than e-mailing or texting photos directly? I know if someone wants thy can take a screenshot of uploaded photos and use them for anything if needed. They want to.

2. Do girls always demand clear face photos or some slight alteration to hide identity is OK with girls?

3. What do girls really want by demanding photos. Just to make sure I am real, or how do I look?

4. Anyone out there who developed a good relationship with a serous SB without ever sharing a photo before first meet?

5. What is a typical type of private photos you share (e. G. Face pic, photo showing the whole body). Typically how many private photos?

Sorry for loaded questions, I need some guidance. Or am I over-paranoid about this whole photo thing? Or am I not the kind of guy who should get in to this SA thing? By the way I am in my early 50's and in good shape for my age.

Thanks for your input.

Dr. S.

[QUOTE=DrSummer;3764482]Fellow member from Charleston, SC. You guys are doing a wonderful job here to the SD community with this thread. Tremendously valuable information. Let me explain my situation. I signed up for SA about few months ago just for a month. I chatted with about 50 girls, met 8 girls in person (2 flaked), and went on dates with 5 (all intimate to hotel rooms except one). But, my gut feeling is that all of those five are either Pros or at least UTR escorts. I was not inclined to go on repeat dates with any of those girls. My objective of joining SA is to find a decent SB with whom I can have little bit closer relationship or connection than what I get from a BP girl or UTR escort where it is just one hour affair and done.

I think the results I got from SA is mainly due to my own flawed approach. I am obsessed with privacy and anonymity, and don't want to be featured in sites such as pred alert etc. I am divorced and no SO, but don't want my children to know what's going on. My ethnicity is not white or black and it is rare, and I have unique features so if my face photo is placed in such a website, it would be easy for anyone who knows me to identify me. Although I am not into social media, there are enough of my photos on the web with my name associated for my professional work.

I was a premium member at SA and had a profile photo very casual and with no face shown. Did not upload any private photos. I have chatted with about 10 girls whom I thought serous SB's and what I am looking for (mostly college girls and some other 25-30 yr range). In most cases, we agreed on almost everything (I am not a haggler when it comes to allowance as long as the offer is reasonable), except the photo issue. They were adamant either I upload private photos and give access to them or e-mail or text them photos. I was stubborn and didn't give in, so most of these chats ended there. My argument was that I was ready to M&G any place and any time they want before going on a date, so photos are not necessary. Looking back, the girls who did not demand the photos (and whom I met and dates) are the Pros. I understand why a serious SB wants to see photo of a person before agreeing to M&G, it was a mistake from my end.

I am going to renew membership again and trying to relax my rules on photos so that I can actually get a real SB to meet me. Few advice I need from fellow members.

1. Do you think giving access to private photos after establishing good connection with a girl is safer than e-mailing or texting photos directly? I know if someone wants thy can take a screenshot of uploaded photos and use them for anything if needed. They want to.

2. Do girls always demand clear face photos or some slight alteration to hide identity is OK with girls?

3. What do girls really want by demanding photos. Just to make sure I am real, or how do I look?

4. Anyone out there who developed a good relationship with a serous SB without ever sharing a photo before first meet?

5. What is a typical type of private photos you share (e. G. Face pic, photo showing the whole body). Typically how many private photos?

Sorry for loaded questions, I need some guidance. Or am I over-paranoid about this whole photo thing? Or am I not the kind of guy who should get in to this SA thing? By the way I am in my early 50's and in good shape for my age.

Thanks for your input.

Dr. S.[/QUOTE]Your over thinking this. Keep it simple. Anyone who meets without wanting a pic is in the business at one time or another. You wouldn't meet a girl without knowing what she looks like so why should she. Anyway you provide a pic can be used so there is no way out on tjat. Do private pics you can control access to or text or kik. I provide pics by text or kik, a face and body shot is all they need. Remember your paying these girls so if your early 50's and good shape you should be able to find younger women anywhere without an arrangement unless your shooting for the 18-22 age bracket. Late 20's and up you should be civy dating if looking for a relationship. Paying for a relationship to start you will never know if its your assests or you they are interested in until you cut the money off.

Need some advice here. This is the first promising potential M&G.

Below is a rough approximation of a conversation I'm having with a POT. Profile says she's just out of college, super cute.

Spidey-sense is tingling. This feels too easy to me. She works at night. Ready to roll. Happy to send pics. Thoughts? Pro?

Also, are there specific things I can ask her to do up front that will remove the possibility that she's LEO? I wondered if the more provocative pic, depending on how provocative, would cover me.

Me: You have a great smile! What kind of arrangement would you like?

Her: NSA, FWB.

Me: I come down 2 x a month for business. You down for lunch dates or does work conflict?

Her: No I'm free during day I work at night.

Me: very good. Where would you like to meet?

Her: (Place somewhere between our stated locations).

Me: Meet for coffee at 10 on Wednesday and then maybe room service for lunch if things go well?

Her: Yeah.

Me: Other than the help you get, what do you like most about your arrangements?

Her: Sex I love the older guy / younger girl senerio.

Me: We have that in common. Can you do one thing for me? I need a more provocative picture that shows your body somewhat, with you holding up the peace sign so I know it's you. Need to protect against catfish. So many of them on here. I appreciate you being real.

Her: Okay I need your number.

My stable of SB's who will see me at 60 years old is down to one. Anyone on here have someone they have had luck with and is willing to share? Not interested in Cindy who has been online forever and sends me messages every few weeks. Please pm me. I have a white 21 year old that I will share in return. Thanks.

Which one of you is offerings SBs $700 to meet for dinner? I've now had 3 that want between $500 to $700 just to meet and greet. I'm kidding that it's someone on here because it's probably the girls shooting for the moon. Of course it's the hottest ones doing it but I've found some good ones that didn't charge for the initial meet and greet. I'm checking the site as we speak for more of those.

[QUOTE=DrSummer;3764482]

I am going to renew membership again and trying to relax my rules on photos so that I can actually get a real SB to meet me. Few advice I need from fellow members.

You should have very few rules and kind of roll with it. They are young and the newer ones spoke quickly. Think about it from their view.

1. Do you think giving access to private photos after establishing good connection with a girl is safer than e-mailing or texting photos directly? I know if someone wants thy can take a screenshot of uploaded photos and use them for anything if needed. They want to.

I email or text after I've established rapport and verified that they are a real person. There are ways to do this. Use your big head.

2. Do girls always demand clear face photos or some slight alteration to hide identity is OK with girls?

Again, put yourself in their shoes. Would you meet a girl without knowing what she looks like? For the most part these are not pros. They are college kids.

3. What do girls really want by demanding photos. Just to make sure I am real, or how do I look?

Think about this a little.

4. Anyone out there who developed a good relationship with a serous SB without ever sharing a photo before first meet?

Nope and I've had plenty. Don't be sketchy you will spook them.

5. What is a typical type of private photos you share (e. G. Face pic, photo showing the whole body). Typically how many private photos?

Dude, way over thinking this. One full length photo is what I send.

Sorry for loaded questions, I need some guidance. Or am I over-paranoid about this whole photo thing? Or am I not the kind of guy who should get in to this SA thing? By the way I am in my early 50's and in good shape for my age.

Thanks for your input.

Dr. S.[/QUOTE]Read my answers above. You are way overthinking this.

[QUOTE=Cabsauv1997;3765786]Need some advice here. This is the first promising potential M&G.

Below is a rough approximation of a conversation I'm having with a POT. Profile says she's just out of college, super cute.

Spidey-sense is tingling. This feels too easy to me. She works at night. Ready to roll. Happy to send pics. Thoughts? Pro?

Also, are there specific things I can ask her to do up front that will remove the possibility that she's LEO? I wondered if the more provocative pic, depending on how provocative, would cover me.

Me: You have a great smile! What kind of arrangement would you like?

Her: NSA, FWB.

Me: I come down 2 x a month for business. You down for lunch dates or does work conflict?

Her: No I'm free during day I work at night.

Me: very good. Where would you like to meet?

Her: (Place somewhere between our stated locations).

Me: Meet for coffee at 10 on Wednesday and then maybe room service for lunch if things go well?

Her: Yeah.

Me: Other than the help you get, what do you like most about your arrangements?

Her: Sex I love the older guy / younger girl senerio.

Me: We have that in common. Can you do one thing for me? I need a more provocative picture that shows your body somewhat, with you holding up the peace sign so I know it's you. Need to protect against catfish. So many of them on here. I appreciate you being real.

Her: Okay I need your number.[/QUOTE]If you have time I would do a M&G and see where it goes. What do you have to loose? Lunch? You probably eat lunch anyway. .

[QUOTE=RVASpider;3765903]Which one of you is offerings SBs $700 to meet for dinner? I've now had 3 that want between $500 to $700 just to meet and greet. I'm kidding that it's someone on here because it's probably the girls shooting for the moon. Of course it's the hottest ones doing it but I've found some good ones that didn't charge for the initial meet and greet. I'm checking the site as we speak for more of those.[/QUOTE]This is a big problem in Chicago. There's a lot of high net worth guys that just don't care. I see a girl that see's a physician. He pays her 1 K for a visit. Fortunately he only sees her once in a while. I fill in the gap at $$$ but that's for unlimited shots and she hangs out for as long as I want. I had one the other day. Two pops and she tried to get a third out of me. "I want you to see me again" She worked it hard but this 60 year old dick would not cooperate. I needed another hour of rest and I would have been good. She's up for anything and very appreciative.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;3766682]This is a big problem in Chicago. There's a lot of high net worth guys that just don't care. I see a girl that see's a physician. He pays her 1 K for a visit. Fortunately he only sees her once in a while. I fill in the gap at $$$ but that's for unlimited shots and she hangs out for as long as I want. I had one the other day. Two pops and she tried to get a third out of me. "I want you to see me again" She worked it hard but this 60 year old dick would not cooperate. I needed another hour of rest and I would have been good. She's up for anything and very appreciative.[/QUOTE]It's ridiculous. I had a drink with one last night. No charge for the meet but wanted $300 for dinner and another $300 if anything else happened. She wouldn't split them either so dinner was part of the package. I told her she can text me when she's ready to bring those down.

[QUOTE=RVASpider;3765903]Which one of you is offerings SBs $700 to meet for dinner? I've now had 3 that want between $500 to $700 just to meet and greet. I'm kidding that it's someone on here because it's probably the girls shooting for the moon. Of course it's the hottest ones doing it but I've found some good ones that didn't charge for the initial meet and greet. I'm checking the site as we speak for more of those.[/QUOTE]

Keep in mind most girls lie about how much they actually get or have gotten in the past.