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[BLUE]I just couldn't take it anymore.
If you want to continue spreading all this stupid mis-information then take it to the fight thread.
Otherwise you guys need to get back to talking about how to pay way too much money and get involved in way too much drama so you can pretend you're not a john for chicks that want to pretend they aren't hookers
A2[/BLUE]
Anyone met her? Seems very reasonable with her expectations so I'll probably tofft either way, PM.
She looks to be a pro, any info is appreciated thanks.
[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/57d810cc-432a-49c1-b470-acf4271fcb08[/URL]
[QUOTE=S2568;3748292]She looks to be a pro, any info is appreciated thanks.
[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/57d810cc-432a-49c1-b470-acf4271fcb08[/URL][/QUOTE]I exchanged about a dozen messages with her 2 weeks ago. Did not seem like a pro to me. She says she and her mom run a business together so she has a flexible schedule. Our conversation died off after a few days of going nowhere. She does have a nice butt in her mild private pics. I was a bit distracted with another younger gal I was messaging then so she sort of slipped through my fingers I guess. She didn't seem like a straight to the FC kind of person IMHO.
[QUOTE=JustLonely;3748531]I exchanged about a dozen messages with her 2 weeks ago. Did not seem like a pro to me. She says she and her mom run a business together so she has a flexible schedule. Our conversation died off after a few days of going nowhere. She does have a nice butt in her mild private pics. I was a bit distracted with another younger gal I was messaging then so she sort of slipped through my fingers I guess. She didn't seem like a straight to the FC kind of person IMHO.[/QUOTE]Hey Guys. I dreamt of her a couple of times last summer. $$ was the damage. BB optional. She is responsive to daty. Has a kid. So, belly shows a bit. Nice a $$. Avail in midlo and Williamsburg. You need to get a room for fun. Stay safe!
[QUOTE=JustLonely;3748531]I exchanged about a dozen messages with her 2 weeks ago. Did not seem like a pro to me. She says she and her mom run a business together so she has a flexible schedule. Our conversation died off after a few days of going nowhere. She does have a nice butt in her mild private pics. I was a bit distracted with another younger gal I was messaging then so she sort of slipped through my fingers I guess. She didn't seem like a straight to the FC kind of person IMHO.[/QUOTE]Have not had the opportunity to contact yet. She was on my radar but my current two UTRs have been taking up a lot of my time. Getting ready to cut one loose and look for someone new, so let us know if you TOFTT and I'll do the same. Thanks.
I've met her. She's legit. I'd call her semi-pro. She's danced before and is more P2 P than long term. But does work with her mom in the business. She's real chill and easy to get along with and will head to the FC pretty quick. Go for it.
Starkey.
[QUOTE=S2568;3748292]She looks to be a pro, any info is appreciated thanks.
[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/57d810cc-432a-49c1-b470-acf4271fcb08[/URL][/QUOTE]
Would agree with the semi pro status for yoga pants, but regardless she's really cool and lots of fun. Treat her right.
Anyone have any info on milf4 sd? She seems really cool, kind of threw me how quickly she went to the FC discussion via texts with very specific details. Was a little worried she might be LEO, even though I've not heard of them in the bowl around here.
FWIW, been doing the sugar bowl thing in Richmond for years, happy to trade info via pm. Are used to be a senior member but had to start over. You guys know the drill.
[QUOTE=Starkey2008;3748738]I've met her. She's legit. I'd call her semi-pro. She's danced before and is more P2 P than long term. But does work with her mom in the business. She's real chill and easy to get along with and will head to the FC pretty quick. Go for it.
Starkey.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Admin2;3747205][BLUE]I just couldn't take it anymore.
If you want to continue spreading all this stupid mis-information then take it to the fight thread.
Otherwise you guys need to get back to talking about how to pay way too much money and get involved in way too much drama so you can pretend you're not a john for chicks that want to pretend they aren't hookers
A2[/BLUE][/QUOTE]As I couldn't reply to your previous post about why the government would spend all those resources on finding mongers through IP addresses. :
I live near Chicago. If you saw the manpower County and the city put out on the street to either entrap guys looking for fun or bust Asian massage parlors you would be amazed. CPD put 10-20 uniformed and undercover cops to bust a two woman AMP. Our County Sheriff is obsessed with this. He's the one that tried shutting down BP by going after the credit card companies. I read a lot of news. Maybe to much for my own good. I'm a businessman and very practical in the use of resources. It's mind boggling. And as someone else said all it will take is one high profile monger hitting the news cycle and it's game over as we know it.
[QUOTE=S2568;3748292]She looks to be a pro, any info is appreciated thanks.
[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/57d810cc-432a-49c1-b470-acf4271fcb08[/URL][/QUOTE]Out of curiosity what makes you think she's a pro?
[QUOTE=FruitNinja;3748924]Out of curiosity what makes you think she's a pro?[/QUOTE]Not in her case, but I was recently in Boston and found many that struck me as pros because.
* Agreed to meet and all pertinent details (activities, logistics) before viewing my photos.
* Started off saying she was only interested in per meet.
* Immediately switch to texting.
* Public photos are very sexy lingerie shots showing her face.
Some new territory for me as I never had any luck with the SA gals who have been on that site for over 2 years. But I did contact one recently that has now come to the third date with discussed plans for the first trip to the FC after dinner at her place. She wasn't shy about her telling her boundaries in the bedroom and even said I should "gift" her whatever amount I thought was appropriate. Well, she has practical on her expectations and I am not sure my usual gift of $$ will keep her happy. I could do $$$ but I don't want to spend but so much over the long term. Any thoughts on women who are "practical" in their expectations?
She probably wants something like 300 but if if she approached it this way then she should be fine with 250. Given that she's hosting I think 200 is probably not the right number, though you also did wait until the 3rd date for an FC so you've spent some time lol.
I've almost always found that when they don't discuss money upfront they are good with whatever you give them. I've had a few exceptions during many years on SA, two come to mind where she texted afterwards and said she wanted something much different, like 2 x what I gave her. Obviously just didn't see those again. The other was recent and after the entire deed was done, twice, she then wanted to talk amounts LOL. I ended up giving her more than I wanted, especially since she didn't host and I rented a room, but it wasn't an insane amount, so again I just didn't repeat and assumed it as a cost of doing business. At least she was hot.
If it were me, I'd attempt to leave 250 on the nightstand on my way out (200 if you really want to push it but not if you really want to see her again). Worst that can happen is either she stops you on the way out and says it's not enough, and you probably bump it up a bit to not cause a scene and get out, then not repeat, or she texts after to say it was not enough and again, you don't repeat. In the first scenario, unless you shared personal info and have an SO, there's not much she can do about it anyway even if she's highly disappointed.
But girls who have been on the site a while and still don't discuss price in advance, and list practical expectations, are not likely to have gps.
I've found girls who have been on the site for a while fall into 2 categories. Almost all start off as the "shoot for the moon types" thinking they can get 5+ per meet, trips and allowances but most become more realistic over time and realize that's hard to find but that they can see one or a few guys for reasonable gifts on a very regular basis. Other category are those who either get lucky off the bat with a guy who does that once b/c they are new, or are very stubborn and eventually find someone to give them that, even if it's just once or twice. Then they keep insisting on that with everyone they talk to even as they get rejected by 90%+ of the guys. But the one thing about those shoot for the moon types is that they know their rejection rate is 9 out of 10 and so they spell those expectations out early, they don't say gift what you think appropriate like your girl so she's not in that camp at least.
However, I rarely find 200 is something they find acceptable anymore, there has definitely been a trend towards the number being closer to 300 for the SA types over the last couple of years. Good luck and hope that helps.
[QUOTE=JustLonely;3749968]Some new territory for me as I never had any luck with the SA gals who have been on that site for over 2 years. But I did contact one recently that has now come to the third date with discussed plans for the first trip to the FC after dinner at her place. She wasn't shy about her telling her boundaries in the bedroom and even said I should "gift" her whatever amount I thought was appropriate. Well, she has practical on her expectations and I am not sure my usual gift of $$ will keep her happy. I could do $$$ but I don't want to spend but so much over the long term. Any thoughts on women who are "practical" in their expectations?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ErnestLl;3749645]Not in her case, but I was recently in Boston and found many that struck me as pros because.
* Agreed to meet and all pertinent details (activities, logistics) before viewing my photos.
* Started off saying she was only interested in per meet.
* Immediately switch to texting.
* Public photos are very sexy lingerie shots showing her face.[/QUOTE]If they agree to meet without seeing pics, that alone is a giveaway that they are a pro.
[QUOTE=JustLonely;3749968]Some new territory for me as I never had any luck with the SA gals who have been on that site for over 2 years. But I did contact one recently that has now come to the third date with discussed plans for the first trip to the FC after dinner at her place. She wasn't shy about her telling her boundaries in the bedroom and even said I should "gift" her whatever amount I thought was appropriate. Well, she has practical on her expectations and I am not sure my usual gift of $$ will keep her happy. I could do $$$ but I don't want to spend but so much over the long term. Any thoughts on women who are "practical" in their expectations?[/QUOTE]I would completely discard the expectations they put in the website; it is totally random. I've had girls that put "substantial" as their expectation tell me after the second date no sugar required if I want to date them straight up, insist on picking up the tab at meals, etc. It just depends on how much they end up liking you. I really think most of them forget what they selected for the expectation about an hour after their first sign up anyway. If not, their expectations will be corrected after they've spent some time on the site.
They have to put up big expectations because this is what the site is about and what it encourages. No girl who is really just looking for a successful BF / companion is going to say "I don't need sugar" on a website like SA, but you can read between the lines when they say things like "an arrangement or maybe more" or allude to something ongoing / exclusive. Things like that. Some don't come out and say that on their profile but it gets revealed in dialog and I usually have extensive dialog with the ones I like before selecting them for a meet.
$$ is still my typical gift. There's no harm in starting at $$, worst that can happen is she asks for more. Have you been paying her for these platonic dates? If so, I'm guessing she's already ruined and will aim high for a FC visit. But it is possible that $$$ is more appropriate if you're in an area with a very high cost of living, or a place with fewer options.
I never gift until after the FC, and that is the advice you'll hear regularly here from other brothers.
Also, try to not to get misled by the mindset that this game is solely about money, because if you do you'll just get caught up in paying too much. It's actually much more like regular dating than mongering when done right. One could say all females are hookers in the sense that they all want a man that can provide, but understanding the psychology behind this will take you so much further than cash or gifts.
Brothers.
So after a bit of initial relapses, I landed up meeting with a sweet SB. We have already met couple of times. She is a bit unbelievable one with such brain and beauty. I am honestly surprised why she is at SA at all But here's the twist, I am heading out for a short business trip soon and I am wondering if it might be a good idea to bring her along. It's a short couple of days trip and I don't have a lot of work to wrap up so essentially plenty of time I can technically spend with her. Has anyone tried that sort of adventure with SB here? At this point, we both know each other by our alias only, no personal info disclosed and we meet privately only. If I do take her on this trip then I guess we will disclose our true identities to each other. My goal is to just have a pure fun trip with her day and night. Am I am over expanding my wings here? What should I be watching here? Is this the dumbest idea ever? Give me pros and cons so that I can think straight.
I've done it several times and never had any issues but fundamentally it's all about the screening process. And at some level if she's really psycho and wants to figure out who you are she probably can. Run your license plate, stalk you on social media. Hard to imagine if they try hard enough that they can't figure out who you are so I would go for it. But it's risk / Reward my friend:
[QUOTE=Apothecary;3750468]Brothers.
So after a bit of initial relapses, I landed up meeting with a sweet SB. We have already met couple of times. She is a bit unbelievable one with such brain and beauty. I am honestly surprised why she is at SA at all But here's the twist, I am heading out for a short business trip soon and I am wondering if it might be a good idea to bring her along. It's a short couple of days trip and I don't have a lot of work to wrap up so essentially plenty of time I can technically spend with her. Has anyone tried that sort of adventure with SB here? At this point, we both know each other by our alias only, no personal info disclosed and we meet privately only. If I do take her on this trip then I guess we will disclose our true identities to each other. My goal is to just have a pure fun trip with her day and night. Am I am over expanding my wings here? What should I be watching here? Is this the dumbest idea ever? Give me pros and cons so that I can think straight.[/QUOTE]
I saw some chatter about Vanilla Visa not working anymore. Has that been confirmed? Anyone come up with a non-CC alternative that also doesn't reveal your identity? I have a dummy PayPal I could put money into and use. Obviously anyone can track it if they want; I'm just looking for a method that avoids my name and address if there is a hack or something similar.
I've actually been "off" SA for about six.
Months now and ended my various sugar arrangements about 4-5 months ago. I'm getting restless and would like to poke around to see what is out there. That said, between the payment challenges and the allegations of scammers using it for extortion, maybe I'll just stick to chaturbate and porn!
[QUOTE=Apothecary;3750468]Brothers.
So after a bit of initial relapses, I landed up meeting with a sweet SB. We have already met couple of times. She is a bit unbelievable one with such brain and beauty. I am honestly surprised why she is at SA at all But here's the twist, I am heading out for a short business trip soon and I am wondering if it might be a good idea to bring her along. It's a short couple of days trip and I don't have a lot of work to wrap up so essentially plenty of time I can technically spend with her. Has anyone tried that sort of adventure with SB here? At this point, we both know each other by our alias only, no personal info disclosed and we meet privately only. If I do take her on this trip then I guess we will disclose our true identities to each other. My goal is to just have a pure fun trip with her day and night. Am I am over expanding my wings here? What should I be watching here? Is this the dumbest idea ever? Give me pros and cons so that I can think straight.[/QUOTE]I've come close but have ultimately never done this. Would never do it unless we had already crossed the "real name" threshold and even then I would be concerned it sends a message of being too "serious". Also, I prefer to play when I travel!
[QUOTE=Apothecary;3750468]Brothers.
So after a bit of initial relapses, I landed up meeting with a sweet SB. We have already met couple of times. She is a bit unbelievable one with such brain and beauty. I am honestly surprised why she is at SA at all But here's the twist, I am heading out for a short business trip soon and I am wondering if it might be a good idea to bring her along. It's a short couple of days trip and I don't have a lot of work to wrap up so essentially plenty of time I can technically spend with her. Has anyone tried that sort of adventure with SB here? At this point, we both know each other by our alias only, no personal info disclosed and we meet privately only. If I do take her on this trip then I guess we will disclose our true identities to each other. My goal is to just have a pure fun trip with her day and night. Am I am over expanding my wings here? What should I be watching here? Is this the dumbest idea ever? Give me pros and cons so that I can think straight.[/QUOTE]#1 - Concern is you have to go open Kimono on your name, which means she will learn everything about you. Do you have something to lose if she goes BSC on you?
#2 - If you pass that hurdle, map out time you would spend together. I've discussed it with one I'm seeing -- I already know everything in real life about her -- and have laid out the following scenario. Travel separately (she is an hour away) to NYC. She drops her bags at the hotel, then sees the town while I work. We meet after I check in and fuck. Go to dinner, fuck all night. She goes to a museum in the morning, meet for lunch and a blow job, she goes to the spa for the afternoon, meet for drinks and sex and repeat. She leaves the next day on her schedule and I work and leave. She is fine with that, no need / desire for a tourism partner.
#3 - set budget expectations. Her travel, her meals and drinks, spending money. Is there an allowance too? I'm lucky, mine would go just for the experience and basic spending money, no shopping needed.
#4 - figure out what can go wrong and plan accordingly.
[QUOTE=JustLonely;3749968]Some new territory for me as I never had any luck with the SA gals who have been on that site for over 2 years. But I did contact one recently that has now come to the third date with discussed plans for the first trip to the FC after dinner at her place. She wasn't shy about her telling her boundaries in the bedroom and even said I should "gift" her whatever amount I thought was appropriate. Well, she has practical on her expectations and I am not sure my usual gift of $$ will keep her happy. I could do $$$ but I don't want to spend but so much over the long term. Any thoughts on women who are "practical" in their expectations?[/QUOTE]If you want to see her repeatedly, I'd go $300 - especially since she is hosting. OVer time, you can scale it back as she learns to enjoy your company as much as your schlonging. Starting too low risks insulting them.
Or there is the time trade off where you keep the allowance but start staying later / overnight and banging her more per visit.
[QUOTE=JZLizard;3750157]
$$ is still my typical gift. There's no harm in starting at $$, worst that can happen is she asks for more. Have you been paying her for these platonic dates? If so, I'm guessing she's already ruined and will aim high for a FC visit. But it is possible that $$$ is more appropriate if you're in an area with a very high cost of living, or a place with fewer options.
I never gift until after the FC, and that is the advice you'll hear regularly here from other brothers.
Also, try to not to get misled by the mindset that this game is solely about money, because if you do you'll just get caught up in paying too much. It's actually much more like regular dating than mongering when done right. One could say all females are hookers in the sense that they all want a man that can provide, but understanding the psychology behind this will take you so much further than cash or gifts.[/QUOTE]Yeah, this is a great point. Have you been gifting for these social dates? If so, how much? I'm with JZ here, I never do that, unless they have a drive and then it's only 20 or 30 for gas. If you've been gifting already, then yeah maybe she will have high expectations, but I'd try $$ b / c you've already been paying for nothing.
As an aside, the ones who insist on money for platonic M&G I immediately discard. And if at the M&G they say they need time to be comfortable and want to just hang out socially for a while, if I like them I tell them I'm very patient and we can go slow if that's what she wants, but I also make clear (politely and sweetly) there is no sugar until the FC. You'll get them to the FC much quicker that way and take no risk of being played. There are girls on there who have no intention of ever going to the FC, they just lead guys on and get paid to go to dinner until the guy wises up, and then they find another sucker.
[QUOTE=TomDickNHarry;3750919]Yeah, this is a great point. Have you been gifting for these social dates? If so, how much? I'm with JZ here, I never do that, unless they have a drive and then it's only 20 or 30 for gas. If you've been gifting already, then yeah maybe she will have high expectations, but I'd try $$ b / c you've already been paying for nothing.
As an aside, the ones who insist on money for platonic M&G I immediately discard. And if at the M&G they say they need time to be comfortable and want to just hang out socially for a while, if I like them I tell them I'm very patient and we can go slow if that's what she wants, but I also make clear (politely and sweetly) there is no sugar until the FC. You'll get them to the FC much quicker that way and take no risk of being played. There are girls on there who have no intention of ever going to the FC, they just lead guys on and get paid to go to dinner until the guy wises up, and then they find another sucker.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the good advice from both JZ and TDH. I don't do the platonic gifting. I quickly learned to be upfront with expectations of intimacy before any cash flows. A lot of messages end right there with the ever increasing number of platonic gals expecting their conversation to be my sugar. I'm going with $$. She's got a full time salaried job and says she doesn't have time for real dating and the relationship maintenance. I've done all the usual background checks via finding her Facebook page and her speeding tickets in Henrico county for the last three years. The $$ gives me some wiggle room to pay more if I deem it worth it. This one may turn out to be a longer term arrangement. I've been getting too many dead fish lately so now I am looking for a keeper.
[QUOTE=GuyInTheCorner;3750766]I saw some chatter about Vanilla Visa not working anymore. Has that been confirmed? Anyone come up with a non-CC alternative that also doesn't reveal your identity? I have a dummy PayPal I could put money into and use. Obviously anyone can track it if they want; I'm just looking for a method that avoids my name and address if there is a hack or something similar.
I've actually been "off" SA for about six.
Months now and ended my various sugar arrangements about 4-5 months ago. I'm getting restless and would like to poke around to see what is out there. That said, between the payment challenges and the allegations of scammers using it for extortion, maybe I'll just stick to chaturbate and porn![/QUOTE]Saw somewhere someone said they got OneVanilla Visa to work in the last week. Last time I got rejected initially, but then changed the registration info on the card to an actual generic address instead of the fake I was using, and then it took it.
A common complaint of SBs is that they see a guy once (a trip to the FC) then he's gone, never to be heard from again. It never occurs to them that most of them are nothing special and the guy simply did not see the value in seeing them again. This goes double and triple for the guys with bigger budgets. When a guy starts offering 400 or even 500 for an evening he's going to have a world of choices and he's going to be like a starving kid in a candy store, sampling every single candy on the shelves. Even an average guy with that kind of budget will be able to get over 95% of the girls on SA. What's stopping him from moving on to the next one on the list every time?
I think that by creating high expectations many girls are setting themselves up for disappointment and of course then go on to blame the men on the site (remember, no matter what it's never the girl's fault) for the pump and dump they get. Some understand but most don't, if they had more realistic expectations the guy would keep coming back and they would have an actual long term thing going that they could count on. Instead girls aim for the moon and get the once-in-a-long-while pump and dump. Silly girls.
[QUOTE=EvilTmp;3751061]Instead girls aim for the moon and get the once-in-a-long-while pump and dump. Silly girls.[/QUOTE]Good luck explaining that to them!
Had imgur remove the photo. Sent them a letter explaining this is from a contentious divorce and now my number is off the site.
Sorry for my ignorance, but what does FC stand for? Feel free to PM me if you prefer. Thanks.
Thank you guys. These are great points to consider. I was wondering if folks have even tried this or not. It seems some of you did, so that's something doable if planned cautiously. It's just one of those things that somehow came in my head, and I have this urge to check that box on my listI guess I should think a bit more on that for now.
[QUOTE=ErnestLl;3750783]#1 - Concern is you have to go open Kimono on your name, which means she will learn everything about you. Do you have something to lose if she goes BSC on you?
#2 - If you pass that hurdle, map out time you would spend together. I've discussed it with one I'm seeing -- I already know everything in real life about her -- and have laid out the following scenario. Travel separately (she is an hour away) to NYC. She drops her bags at the hotel, then sees the town while I work. We meet after I check in and fuck. Go to dinner, fuck all night. She goes to a museum in the morning, meet for lunch and a blow job, she goes to the spa for the afternoon, meet for drinks and sex and repeat. She leaves the next day on her schedule and I work and leave. She is fine with that, no need / desire for a tourism partner.
#3 - set budget expectations. Her travel, her meals and drinks, spending money. Is there an allowance too? I'm lucky, mine would go just for the experience and basic spending money, no shopping needed.
#4 - figure out what can go wrong and plan accordingly.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=GuyInTheCorner;3750767]I've come close but have ultimately never done this. Would never do it unless we had already crossed the "real name" threshold and even then I would be concerned it sends a message of being too "serious". Also, I prefer to play when I travel![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=VAvet;3750709]I've done it several times and never had any issues but fundamentally it's all about the screening process. And at some level if she's really psycho and wants to figure out who you are she probably can. Run your license plate, stalk you on social media. Hard to imagine if they try hard enough that they can't figure out who you are so I would go for it. But it's risk / Reward my friend:[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=WPGuy;3751718]Sorry for my ignorance, but what does FC stand for? Feel free to PM me if you prefer. Thanks.[/QUOTE]There's an FAQ in this thread as well as tips and such. If you don't know what FC is, I'd honestly suggest you read those b / c there's a lot you need to learn to maximize your experience, beyond just that term. This is a great resource, use it and leverage our experience. Happy hunting.
[QUOTE=TomDickNHarry;3751791]There's an FAQ in this thread as well as tips and such. If you don't know what FC is, I'd honestly suggest you read those b / c there's a lot you need to learn to maximize your experience, beyond just that term. This is a great resource, use it and leverage our experience. Happy hunting.[/QUOTE]That was a good tip except that FC is not on the abbreviation list.
Full Combo like a meal combo.
[QUOTE=Harpman31;3751922]That was a good tip except that FC is not on the abbreviation list.[/QUOTE]With.
FC = Fvck Chamber.
[QUOTE=Harpman31;3751922]That was a good tip except that FC is not on the abbreviation list.[/QUOTE]
These SBs also don't understand allowances varies from geographic locations. A NYC SD willingness to spend is more than a West Virginia SD LOL.
[QUOTE=EvilTmp;3751061]A common complaint of SBs is that they see a guy once (a trip to the FC) then he's gone, never to be heard from again. It never occurs to them that most of them are nothing special and the guy simply did not see the value in seeing them again. This goes double and triple for the guys with bigger budgets. When a guy starts offering 400 or even 500 for an evening he's going to have a world of choices and he's going to be like a starving kid in a candy store, sampling every single candy on the shelves. Even an average guy with that kind of budget will be able to get over 95% of the girls on SA. What's stopping him from moving on to the next one on the list every time?
I think that by creating high expectations many girls are setting themselves up for disappointment and of course then go on to blame the men on the site (remember, no matter what it's never the girl's fault) for the pump and dump they get. Some understand but most don't, if they had more realistic expectations the guy would keep coming back and they would have an actual long term thing going that they could count on. Instead girls aim for the moon and get the once-in-a-long-while pump and dump. Silly girls.[/QUOTE]
There are all types of SB exist in SA.
One night a 19 years old SB called and said she need guidance on phone to make her cum and she used her fingers for the job. She sent couple of her hot pics while she is doing her job, on next morning she asked gas to come to see me, after she got gas, I see message lmao.
[QUOTE=TomDickNHarry;3750919]Yeah, this is a great point. Have you been gifting for these social dates? If so, how much? I'm with JZ here, I never do that, unless they have a drive and then it's only 20 or 30 for gas. If you've been gifting already, then yeah maybe she will have high expectations, but I'd try $$ b / c you've already been paying for nothing.
As an aside, the ones who insist on money for platonic M&G I immediately discard. And if at the M&G they say they need time to be comfortable and want to just hang out socially for a while, if I like them I tell them I'm very patient and we can go slow if that's what she wants, but I also make clear (politely and sweetly) there is no sugar until the FC. You'll get them to the FC much quicker that way and take no risk of being played. There are girls on there who have no intention of ever going to the FC, they just lead guys on and get paid to go to dinner until the guy wises up, and then they find another sucker.[/QUOTE]
They have different openions in life styles.
Nogotiable SB asked about a grand for meet, while practical SB asked $$ for meet.
It made me to learn. There is nothing I should read at life expectation LOL.
[QUOTE=ErnestLl;3750786]If you want to see her repeatedly, I'd go $300 - especially since she is hosting. OVer time, you can scale it back as she learns to enjoy your company as much as your schlonging. Starting too low risks insulting them.
Or there is the time trade off where you keep the allowance but start staying later / overnight and banging her more per visit.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Harpman31;3751922]That was a good tip except that FC is not on the abbreviation list.[/QUOTE]Sorry I didn't mean the general FAQ, this is what I meant, but now realize that it's not pinned up top or anything. The Sugar Bowl is its own animal.
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?15100-Sugarbaby-Thread-Highlights-Index-and-FAQ&p=2480291&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2480291.
When searching for an SB I AM looking for long term with chemistry and a connection. When the topic of assistance comes up I always couch it that the chemistry is important to me and if I give her a high allowance I'll never know if she's seeing me for me or just the money. I also say that the assistance would increase over time once trust is established and the relationship develops. Finally, I tell her that a beautiful woman like you can certainly find someone to give them 400 or 500 per meet, but most of these will be one and done or have tons of strings attached. If you're willing to see me for my modest assistance, then I know our time together and experiences are more important than the allowance and things.
Does this always work? Of course not. But, for me it's a screening method to get rid of pros, semi-pros and GPS girls.
Good hunting!
Travelin.
[QUOTE=EvilTmp;3751061]I think that by creating high expectations many girls are setting themselves up for disappointment and of course then go on to blame the men on the site (remember, no matter what it's never the girl's fault) for the pump and dump they get. Some understand but most don't, if they had more realistic expectations the guy would keep coming back and they would have an actual long term thing going that they could count on. Instead girls aim for the moon and get the once-in-a-long-while pump and dump. Silly girls.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=CrazySpice;3751944]There are all types of SB exist in SA.
One night a 19 years old SB called and said she need guidance on phone to make her cum and she used her fingers for the job. She sent couple of her hot pics while she is doing her job, on next morning she asked gas to come to see me, after she got gas, I see message lmao.[/QUOTE]Nine times out of ten girls who ask for gas money upfront, or anything electronic, are never going to meet you. As a way to even see if they are serious, you can say that you're not comfortable sending money electronically, but you can just come to her so she doesn't need gas money. The ones who are just trying to scam you (which will be almost all of them) will come up with an excuse or ghost right then and there.
The legit ones will almost always accept your offer to give them something for their gas when they arrive, they usually won't even ask how much before they make the drive. Besides, driving an hour at today's prices costs about $10 of gas, fronting a girl money unless she's coming from several hours away is unnecessary and naive.
For one thing she is on there almost every day, most of the day. She was very quick to respond and wanted to meet sounded like she expecting FC. And couple pf pvt pics also makes me guess.
I have another one who contacted me and said she has a room on Broad quoted 300, gave me her contact number, looked her up she has FB, looks cute but may be little on the thick side. Also might be a pro or semi pro.
This is her [URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/8b017eda-39de-4e0b-a528-edb024acae6f[/URL].
S2568.
[QUOTE=FruitNinja;3748924]Out of curiosity what makes you think she's a pro?[/QUOTE]