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[QUOTE=BilboBaggins69;7444907]BIE is legit, have no fear of giving a deposit, they ask all new clients for a deposit. They had a run of no shows and just want to cover themselves.[/QUOTE]Yep. As the other poster said. Very legit. As far as paper trails. I had the option of using crypto (BTC) vs. The listed bank-oriented options. Makes backtracking difficult in most cases.
[QUOTE=DannyPilgrim;7444847]Hi all, I reached out to BIE on the T G app (using the link on their front page) and was told that in addition to verification info, "a deposit is required for all new clients. " Like most in the hobby, I have a firm "no deposit" rule both because of scammers and because it seems safer for everyone if we avoid unnecessary paper trails by paying cash only. But, my impression from this thread is that BIE is very legit, so I'm giving some consideration to waiving my no deposit rule this time. Have others on this thread been asked for a deposit from BIE? If so, did you pay it?[/QUOTE]How would you feel about LEO having your info when they eventually get busted? How much of a rube would you feel like if they walk off with your money?
[QUOTE=ThizzleHats;7445548]How would you feel about LEO having your info when they eventually get busted? How much of a rube would you feel like if they walk off with your money?[/QUOTE]Actually, LEO could have your info during any type of screening if they could get a hold of it, whether it requires deposit or not. In fact, In fact, requiring new unknown clients to pay deposit provides extra layer of protection from LEO because in order to be able to pay it legally LEO has to go through all kinds of extra approval processes.
If an agency or an independent doesn't screen on the other hand then you're really taking your life into your own hands. You could be walking yourself into police sting, or into a very uncomfortable situation which could involve knives, or worse and you'd be lucky to get out of it just without your wallet.
BIE is as safe as an escort agency or an independent provider in the US could be because it screens, it asks for deposit, it does NOT use permanent location like apartments where neighbors eventually get annoyed with bunch of men constantly going in and out of (BTT anybody?) BIE owner lives in a country where prostitution is legal which also has very dubious relationship with the US. All this probably makes BIE safer than most (if not all) other places.
Also, the BIE deposit could be paid by prepaid card that you could get in CVS, Target, etc that could never really lead back to you, especially if you pay for it in cash or with bitcoin which is also good luck tracing.
When I initially screened with BIE I used my P411 membership, I always pay cash, so the owner still doesn't know anything about me besides my P411 handle. So between prepaid cards or bitcoins and P411 membership there are ways to completely insulate yourself from it coming back to you even if there is trouble.
Look, nothing is ever foolproof. I'm sure you lived long enough by now to know that. But all this, makes BIE as safe of a place as it could possibly be. IMHO, of course.
Saw Elsa from bethgirls, pics are her and service is as good as the rest. Nice big naturals, too bad I only went for a qv. Very good session, gets into it and speaks Spanish. Def will try her again. Jenny still a favorite.
[QUOTE=TheDuke;7447103]Saw Elsa from bethgirls, pics are her and service is as good as the rest. Nice big naturals, too bad I only went for a qv. Very good session, gets into it and speaks Spanish. Def will try her again. Jenny still a favorite.[/QUOTE]Is she Latina? The listing says European which, in the hobby, I always assume to be Eastern European.
Has anyone seen girasol from Beth gals?
[QUOTE=EarlSandwich;7447128]Is she Latina? The listing says European which, in the hobby, I always assume to be Eastern European.[/QUOTE]From Spain. Southern Europe.
[QUOTE=TheDuke;7447847]From Spain. Southern Europe.[/QUOTE]From Spain, Mexico, Colombia: those gringos wouldn't know the difference. I met few Puerto Ricans from Spain in this hobby, and even few Chinese from Japan. LOL. When you ask a few questions you usually find out that they lived (or now live) in Spain for few years but originally from somewhere in Latin America.
[QUOTE=Nrlmus;7447870]From Spain, Mexico, Colombia: those gringos wouldn't know the difference. I met few Puerto Ricans from Spain in this hobby, and even few Chinese from Japan. LOL. When you ask a few questions you usually find out that they lived (or now live) in Spain for few years but originally from somewhere in Latin America.[/QUOTE]Idk there is a hell of a difference between Spaniards and anything in Latin America. Sahara from Bethgirls was a prime example of fine Spanish cuisine. God help you if you mix them up, going to get yeer dick bit off LOL!
-IJJ.
Having mostly abandoned visiting AMPs and (fixed location) Hotel Asians in NH and MA due to ongoing LEO operations, BIE is becoming my goto choice. Based on the glowing reviews of Cici here, should I try to arrange my schedule to get to see her before she leaves in a handful of days, or hold out and save a few more dollars until either / both Bless and Lulu come to town? I cannot find any mention of either of them in the thread and was hoping that someone may have unpublished but first hand knowledge about them.
NCC.
[QUOTE=NCC3582;7450286]Having mostly abandoned visiting AMPs and (fixed location) Hotel Asians in NH and MA due to ongoing LEO operations, BIE is becoming my goto choice. Based on the glowing reviews of Cici here, should I try to arrange my schedule to get to see her before she leaves in a handful of days, or hold out and save a few more dollars until either / both Bless and Lulu come to town? I cannot find any mention of either of them in the thread and was hoping that someone may have unpublished but first hand knowledge about them.
NCC.[/QUOTE]Can't speak on the new girls coming in, But you can't go wrong with CiCi, she was ALOT of fun.
[QUOTE=BilboBaggins69;7450558]Can't speak on the new girls coming in, But you can't go wrong with CiCi, she was ALOT of fun.[/QUOTE]I'll second that. I've seen Cici twice, and plan on seeing her again. She is a blast and a lovely person.
[QUOTE=SunsetStrip77;7450780]I'll second that. I've seen Cici twice, and plan on seeing her again. She is a blast and a lovely person.[/QUOTE]Cici has the tightest tummy I've ever even seen on an asian gal to go along with her hot body & butt! Not a huge fan of her man-mades probably because I like naturals better even if much smaller. She's very bubbly & fun. Although her BIO says she doesn't allow FIV she did with me. Will do BBFS for extra 100 but I didn't partake. She seems to enjoy the action or is a great actress. She was my first BIE experience and would definitely see her again but probably won't be able to before she leaves soon. I had really hoped to see Baby IU before she left but Cici did not disappoint!
[QUOTE=NCC3582;7450286]Having mostly abandoned visiting AMPs and (fixed location) Hotel Asians in NH and MA due to ongoing LEO operations, BIE is becoming my goto choice. Based on the glowing reviews of Cici here, should I try to arrange my schedule to get to see her before she leaves in a handful of days, or hold out and save a few more dollars until either / both Bless and Lulu come to town? I cannot find any mention of either of them in the thread and was hoping that someone may have unpublished but first hand knowledge about them..[/QUOTE]What are your priorities? If you're looking for "your first girlfriend but 10 x hotter," Cici has the tightest waist & lowest body fat % I've ever seen in an escort, while also having a nice ass (she definitely lifts), and she'll kiss you like she loves you the second you walk through the door. (Someone earlier in the thread said that and it got me to give her a try, thank you to whomever that was.) Very sweet but also sexy. I'm not familiar Bless or Lulu but they probably have other strengths (and please tell me what they are).
[QUOTE=DunkinDonuts;7451034]What are your priorities? If you're looking for "your first girlfriend but 10 x hotter," Cici has the tightest waist & lowest body fat % I've ever seen in an escort, while also having a nice ass (she definitely lifts), and she'll kiss you like she loves you the second you walk through the door. (Someone earlier in the thread said that and it got me to give her a try, thank you to whomever that was.) Very sweet but also sexy. I'm not familiar Bless or Lulu but they probably have other strengths (and please tell me what they are).[/QUOTE]Meant to add her DFK didn't really do it for me. Let me stick my tongue in but she was pretty much all lips on her end. Seemed to have been hiding her tongue. But she is still hot!
Does she allow CIP? If I remembered correctly she was BBFS but no CIP.
Has anyone seen the new French gal in hougong?
[QUOTE=RazGrizace00;7451140]Does she allow CIP? If I remembered correctly she was BBFS but no CIP.[/QUOTE]Correct. She is BBFS no CIP.
[QUOTE=shadowplay60;7451121]Meant to add her DFK didn't really do it for me. Let me stick my tongue in but she was pretty much all lips on her end. Seemed to have been hiding her tongue. But she is still hot![/QUOTE]I actually had an exact opposite experience with Cici. Hard tongue in your mouth, way too hard for my liking, preventing a real LKF / DFK. Still nobody compares in kissing department with Kimmy and Tina IMO. Nobody. That was one of the reasons I'm not in a rush to repeat. Other than that I second all accolades that's been bestowed on her here.
[QUOTE=WolfgangPet13;7451269]Has anyone seen the new French gal in hougong?[/QUOTE]I asked the same question in escort thread. I'm waiting for replies.
[URL]https://hougong521.com/view/26572[/URL]
[QUOTE=Ogreazy1;7451695]I asked the same question in escort thread. I'm waiting for replies.
[URL]https://hougong521.com/view/26572[/URL][/QUOTE]Just reverse image search it's fake LOL.
Sasha: Gave her a try recently I don't recall reading any reviews on here about her. Worth the visit and I would repeat. Smoking body hard stomach the photos are accurate.
Sweetheart aims to please. I often try to get them for BBFS and I did NOT try with her only because I got the impression it wouldn't be well received as she seems health oriented but YMMV. Kinda like Jamie not a deal breaker at all.
Ashlee:
Middle aged girl, good time but not one of the best they have to offer IMO, has some of the "white girl laziness" can't compare to the k girls that's for sure. Some age on her, North shore accent she's local gave more information about herself then one would expect. Got her BBFSCIP for no agreed upon additional charge, but I did tip her accordingley. I would potentially see her again in a pinch but she's not a must repeat with.
I agree with what I read from Nrlmus, BIE is great. The likelihood you'll be unhappy with any of there offerings is slim. If anyone has any info on some on the less reviewed girls I'd love to hear it.
[QUOTE=Nrlmus;7451523]I actually had an exact opposite experience with Cici. Hard tongue in your mouth, way too hard for my liking, preventing a real LKF / DFK. Still nobody compares in kissing department with Kimmy and Tina IMO. Nobody. That was one of the reasons I'm not in a rush to repeat. Other than that I second all accolades that's been bestowed on her here.[/QUOTE]Cici took direction well from me when I told her how I wanted us to kiss. Also, although she is the Energizer bunny, she is capable of slowing down for kissing and cuddling. You just need to give her some direction as to what you're looking for.
[QUOTE=SpankDaddy;7452077]Just reverse image search it's fake LOL.[/QUOTE]I know they are fake but most of the time you get a girl that is very similar.
Which hougong gal is best in current roster?
[QUOTE=SunsetStrip77;7452341]Cici took direction well from me when I told her how I wanted us to kiss. Also, although she is the Energizer bunny, she is capable of slowing down for kissing and cuddling. You just need to give her some direction as to what you're looking for.[/QUOTE]Ok, that make sense. She did slow down a bit with me towards the end too but in her natural state she sure is a firecracker! Lmao.
Anyone else finding it difficult to get in contact with tokoyo or dreamspace?
I met Cici in Nov '20 in L. A. The '17 & '18 reviews sure sounds like the Cici, actually knew her under another name which she made quite famous, I met and saw her, her, whole 9 or so month 1st L. A. Tour. What a great fuckin' ride! Hard to duplicate her service in her reviews from then '17 to now '25, pretty consistent IMO. So, I think it's the same Kgirl. I believe she started early 20's, maybe add a year or two and do the math, if you need to know or get close to her age. But MO, 'cause I never cared about the age of any woman, civie or provider, if they look good, with a friendly attitude and the sex is good it's a win, win in my book!
She left L. A. Summer '21, and started 2nd tour in L. A. April '23, said she would retire and left 12/31/2023, showed up a couple of months later back in NYC as Cici again and her West Coast name changed on TER. IIRC, some '17 reviewers welcomed her back in some '24 reviews too. And she's been providing the same level of service since then, '17 to now by reading the reviews; BTW '17 is before the pandemic.
Just MO & E.
[QUOTE=Nrlmus;7394311]No sh*t! Talking about energizer bunny! Nothing could outlast her, Cici keep going and going and going! I just called my lawyer to see if we could get anywhere with consensual rape and sexual assault charges! LOL.
This woman attacks you at the door using her tongue as bladed weapon and doesn't let up even as your own bladed weapon reaches for her heart! This woman is an entrenched criminal. Trying to become your favorite neighborhood body snatcher! Lmao.
Be as it may that body is a wow. The sight of her butt cheeks being kept hanging by your penetrating weapon at doggy is a "yea!.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Osori84;7453732]I met Cici in Nov '20 in L. A. The '17 & '18 reviews sure sounds like the Cici, actually knew her under another name which she made quite famous, I met and saw her, her, whole 9 or so month 1st L. A. Tour. What a great fuckin' ride! Hard to duplicate her service in her reviews from then '17 to now '25, pretty consistent IMO. So, I think it's the same Kgirl. I believe she started early 20's, maybe add a year or two and do the math, if you need to know or get close to her age. But MO, 'cause I never cared about the age of any woman, civie or provider, if they look good, with a friendly attitude and the sex is good it's a win, win in my book!
She left L. A. Summer '21, and started 2nd tour in L. A. April '23, said she would retire and left 12/31/2023, showed up a couple of months later back in NYC as Cici again and her West Coast name changed on TER. IIRC, some '17 reviewers welcomed her back in some '24 reviews too. And she's been providing the same level of service since then, '17 to now by reading the reviews; BTW '17 is before the pandemic.
Just MO & E.[/QUOTE]Finally caved and signed up for BI and saw Cici. Damn yall weren't lying she was phenomenal. Never saw a provider so eager to go again.
She is great I agree with everything said here. She is hot and very sweet. She is kind of like a baby CherryDD. Sexy, tight body, great ass and tits. My only negative is no CIP but definitely not a deal breaker. Her last day is tomorrow so catch her if you can or wait a couple weeks but December looks like a pretty stacked line up.
[QUOTE=Ogreazy1;7453113]Anyone else finding it difficult to get in contact with tokoyo or dreamspace?[/QUOTE]No issues for me, they are answering wechat messages.
[QUOTE=BOS143;7457195]No issues for me, they are answering wechat messages.[/QUOTE]Ahh ok. I have been using telegram. I will send them a message on wechat.
What forms of payment do they accept, is it cash only or can you pay via other means?
Has anyone seen Chanel yet? Can pm or post here any details? Didn't see any reviews.
[QUOTE=Noxxx;7457628]Has anyone seen Chanel yet? Can pm or post here any details? Didn't see any reviews.[/QUOTE]Nothing first-hand, but the reviews that have been coming through BI sound pretty phenomenal, other than she doesn't do CIM. She's currently doing duos with Sasha.
I have a couple questions. First off what are the current screening requirements if any to get in? Also from what I've read on the forum and on the other site, it seems they're open to taking Caucasian gentlemen. Lastly, it seems they're located roughly in the Brighton Allston area.
Any help would certainly be appreciated and PMs are also welcome.
[QUOTE=LuigiMongerone;7457718]Nothing first-hand, but the reviews that have been coming through BI sound pretty phenomenal, other than she doesn't do CIM. She's currently doing duos with Sasha.[/QUOTE]Has anyone partaken in a BI dou? Whats pricing like. 800?
In my handful of experiences, the hourly rate of the girl has some relation to how attractive she is. At least with Hougong, it seems the $500 hour girls are usually younger and hotter than the $400 ones. Because pictures and descriptions are usually edited or entirely fake, sometimes with zero correlation to her actual appearance, I wonder if price is a reliable way to guess how attractive a girl is.
Have you observed the same thing?
[QUOTE=BOS143;7457195]No issues for me, they are answering wechat messages.[/QUOTE]I have never used Dreamspace but have seen some profiles there listed at $800 hourly. Are those girls better looking than Hougong girls?
[QUOTE=TheBoobHound;7458363]In my handful of experiences, the hourly rate of the girl has some relation to how attractive she is. At least with Hougong, it seems the $500 hour girls are usually younger and hotter than the $400 ones. Because pictures and descriptions are usually edited or entirely fake, sometimes with zero correlation to her actual appearance, I wonder if price is a reliable way to guess how attractive a girl is.
Have you observed the same thing?
I have never used Dreamspace but have seen some profiles there listed at $800 hourly. Are those girls better looking than Hougong girls?[/QUOTE]I have no idea. I can never justify these more expensive girls. I usually just go for the cheaper 240/260 girls since I just can't justify spending over $300 for a chick. I can pay $600 to fly to SEAsia and bang girls for less than $100 which are the same quality as the $800 girls lmao.
[QUOTE=TheBoobHound;7458363]In my handful of experiences, the hourly rate of the girl has some relation to how attractive she is. At least with Hougong, it seems the $500 hour girls are usually younger and hotter than the $400 ones. Because pictures and descriptions are usually edited or entirely fake, sometimes with zero correlation to her actual appearance, I wonder if price is a reliable way to guess how attractive a girl is.
Have you observed the same thing?
I have never used Dreamspace but have seen some profiles there listed at $800 hourly. Are those girls better looking than Hougong girls?[/QUOTE]I have only tried a $500 girl once and that was a JAV squirting queen. I got stood up unfortunately for my appointment. I assumed the price difference was her special talents. All the other times have been $400 girls. I would not call any unattractive and some very cute. All where in the mid 20's something (not 18 as advertised) range and I did asked a few. If you want upgrades that's extra so it starts getting expensive. Many of these girls from out of NY and I see the prices all seem pretty low and consistent. 300-360 an hour.