Strip Club Reports

[QUOTE=Passenger;5692169]...I could probably write a history book of the evolution of strip clubs in Detroit from the 80's to present.

There is a long road from girls dancing on tables, to tableside, to lapdance at tables, to lapdances in designated VIP room, to sex in communal VIPs, to private booths of today. Of course there is the regression in Detroit proper from booths to open VIP areas.[/QUOTE]Good list of the long road!

Worth mentioning that the practice of employing dancers as "private contractors" and charging them to dance in the club begain in Detroit. In fact, a few legal actions of the practice made it to the NLRB and is discussed in labor law scolar efforts.

So I came up for a visit to see what was available, compared to where I'm from in OH, the diversity and sheer number of girls is always a good thing, this time however I was dare say disappointed in what was available.

Day shift.

Silver Criket. About 8 girls working all black / latino / biracial up my alley but I had just arrived in town for a beer, in hindsight should've stayed.

BT's. Dead as fuck, 5 girls were working, all look bored as hell and none I would skeet inside of.

Night Shift.

Henry VIII- Onto the more interesting part, in H8 there were about 6 girls working, 1st I saw a Lacey, blonde, older, bolt-ons, I ask how much for FS, she says 300, I counter with 150, she said she could do a CBJ for $100, no thanks. Next is a red head from texas with BD and a great ass for a white girl. She says she doesn't do FS. 3rd we have Riley, young, tatted up, brunette / black hair "spinner" as people like to describe. She quotes me 120 for a BJ with no condom but she doesn't have sex, I just say fuck it, BJ was a 7/10 outside of the fact I couldn't nut in her mouth.

After dinner closed out my night at Bogarts, I did not know they were having a holiday party and it was wall to wall (need to get a covid test too). I see Harmony, mid to late 20's, fat ol ass for a white girl (Russian) and tatted up. In the VIP I ask for FS, she quotes me 200 and doesn't budge, I ask for bareback on the BJ, FS and if she lets fingers inside of her, she goes on a slight rant saying she is the cleanest girl in there, after 2 songs I just give her 40, I left an hour later.

All in All I think with Christmas this week the girls are feeling the pressure for more money for the holiday, at least this is what I think. Are women really averaging 200 at bars, even HVIII and Bogarts?

I think silver cricket is the best bang for your buck, middle ground women with decent atmosphere and pricing.

Little late with the post, but was out 12/21 night.

Started at the Cricket. Probably 6 customers and 8 dancers. 1 sat at a table with what appeared to be her boyfriend. 3 sat by themselves in a booth and never interacted with any customers while I was there. Two Latina appearing dancers on stage looked enticing, but given the overall vibe that night seemed to be that nobody was interested in making any money, I finished my beer and went to Landing Strip.

More dancers as LS, also more customers. Definitely better vibe. A little Latina mix girl going by Emerald sat down with me. She was fun, and we went to VIP. The service was fantastic, BBBJ, covered FS, finished with BBBJCIM (spit). This is where she ruined it though. I went for my wallet, and she told me "You already paid me. Right at the start". Now, I had only had a couple of beers, so I was not so drink that I'd have paid her and forgot (This may or may not have happened before, LOL). Also, I came in with around $500 in my wallet, and wasn't planning on spending all of that on one session. I can only conclude that while removing my jeans, she grabbed all the cash in my wallet. Knowing how any sort of confrontation in this situation ends, I chose to just pay my tab and leave. It's really an unfortunate end to the night, I would have tipped her well anyway, the service was incredible, but it was ruined by one sketchy act. Based on that she has lost me as a repeat customer. Overall, I would say that the service was amazing, and would actually recommend taking her for a ride. Just keep your hand on your wallet.

Strippers are very bad money managers, the first week of the month is always good as that's when they are late on rent money.

Silver cricket night shift is gheto.

[QUOTE=DooMama7;5693436]

All in All I think with Christmas this week the girls are feeling the pressure for more money for the holiday, at least this is what I think. Are women really averaging 200 at bars, even HVIII and Bogarts?

I think silver cricket is the best bang for your buck, middle ground women with decent atmosphere and pricing.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gerjon;5692183]Please do![/QUOTE]I will start jotting down old stories as I recall them, before the memories completely leave me. I should start a new sub-thread for Motor City strip club history and memories so it doesn't clutter up this thread.

Working title ideas:

Motor City Peelers.

Stripping in the D.

8 Mile and Beyond.

[QUOTE=Passenger;5693552]I will start jotting down old stories as I recall them, before the memories completely leave me. [b]I should start a new sub-thread for Motor City strip club history and memories so it doesn't clutter up this thread[/b].

Working title ideas:

Motor City Peelers.

Stripping in the D.

8 Mile and Beyond.[/QUOTE]Just post it here, I can't see the topic being more then 30 or 40 posts.

[QUOTE=Passenger;5693552]I will start jotting down old stories as I recall them, before the memories completely leave me. I should start a new sub-thread for Motor City strip club history and memories so it doesn't clutter up this thread.

Working title ideas:

Motor City Peelers.

Stripping in the D.

8 Mile and Beyond.[/QUOTE]Remembering the days when Leggs Lounge still had a "downstairs" and the day shift between Thanksgiving and Christmas was flush with "mercenaries" there for Christmas money. There were weekdays with something like 20 or more dancers on the day shift. Driving down prices and pissing off the regular dancers.

So all most $500 for a single session?

[QUOTE=MacStuffin;5693473]More dancers as LS, also more customers. Definitely better vibe. A little Latina mix girl going by Emerald sat down with me. She was fun, and we went to VIP. The service was fantastic, BBBJ, covered FS, finished with BBBJCIM (spit). This is where she ruined it though. I went for my wallet, and she told me "You already paid me. Right at the start". Now, I had only had a couple of beers, so I was not so drink that I'd have paid her and forgot (This may or may not have happened before, LOL). Also, I came in with around $500 in my wallet, and wasn't planning on spending all of that on one session. I can only conclude that while removing my jeans, she grabbed all the cash in my wallet. Knowing how any sort of confrontation in this situation ends, I chose to just pay my tab and leave. It's really an unfortunate end to the night, I would have tipped her well anyway, the service was incredible, but it was ruined by one sketchy act. Based on that she has lost me as a repeat customer. Overall, I would say that the service was amazing, and would actually recommend taking her for a ride. Just keep your hand on your wallet.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Devin226;5692595]I never pay these numbers at BT's. Day or night shift, I always offer anywhere from $100 (minimum) to $200 (maximum). I would say my success rate at 100 is about 30%. And at 200 its at least 75%. Most girls will take 200. But usually I offer between 140-160 and it usually works. Of course, there's always a girl or two that has "golden pussy syndrome", but I just ignore those and move on to the next. If you're paying more than $200 max at BT's, you're driving up the market costs. Most will take less if you're a good negotiator. Especially if you don't plan to be back there for a dozen songs. I'm usually fairly quick and let them know that we might only be 4-5 songs.[/QUOTE]I agree that $200 is the sweet spot for 90% of the girls. The range of prices includes the girls with GPS. You said you "never pay more than $200" then also said "I just move on to the next". Well there you go. No matter how good of a negotiator you are, you don't pay more than $200 because you don't go back with the 10%.

[QUOTE=Jay23;5693819]So all most $500 for a single session?[/QUOTE]That's what it ended up being, since that's what I had on me.

[QUOTE=Passenger;5692169]Looooongtime strip club devotee, I began in 1981.

Tipouts, house fees, stage fees, almost all the same thing. Some clubs had house fee, then separate tip-out to DJ, door, VIP attendant, etc so that club didn't pay those workers, the dancers did.

In the 80's the dancers were paid an hourly rate plus tips. The hotter the girl, the higher the wage. When Tycoons opened (late 80's) the girls didn't even have to do table or inceeasingly, lap dances to make money. It was several years before Tycoons made a VIP room that was one big room with upholstered benches ringing the walls, there was no VIP fee, and the dances were lap dances with hands at your side.

I could probably write a history book of the evolution of strip clubs in Detroit from the 80's to present.

There is a long road from girls dancing on tables, to tableside, to lapdance at tables, to lapdances in designated VIP room, to sex in communal VIPs, to private booths of today. Of course there is the regression in Detroit proper from booths to open VIP areas.[/QUOTE]You have been around for a long time!!

[QUOTE=JPayne213;5693828]I agree that $200 is the sweet spot for 90% of the girls. The range of prices includes the girls with GPS. You said you "never pay more than $200" then also said "I just move on to the next". Well there you go. No matter how good of a negotiator you are, you don't pay more than $200 because you don't go back with the 10%.[/QUOTE]Exactly. I just ignore the 10% that requires more than 200. I usually offer 140-160 as a starting bid, but go up to 200 maximum if I find her attractive. I don't go with GPS girls.

[QUOTE=JPayne213;5693828]I agree that $200 is the sweet spot for 90% of the girls. The range of prices includes the girls with GPS. You said you "never pay more than $200" then also said "I just move on to the next". Well there you go. No matter how good of a negotiator you are, you don't pay more than $200 because you don't go back with the 10%.[/QUOTE]My range is a bit higher topping off at $300 for 10's, and $250 for hot dancers, but percentage wise it's about the same. Like the original poster around 10 to 15% depending on the club refuse $200, and around 5 to 7 refuse $300. I found that those who want more really aren't worth it. Of the few times I agreed, I am 0 for 4 from the 10%.

[QUOTE=DooMama7;5693436]All in All I think with Christmas this week the girls are feeling the pressure for more money for the holiday, at least this is what I think. Are women really averaging 200 at bars, even HVIII and Bogarts?[/QUOTE]Yep at most bars $200 to $250 is the sweet spot for CFS. Bogarts and Henry's you can still get $150 to $175 for CFS, and $80 to $100 for BJ if the dancer remembers you. My problem is I am only in town every few months and few remember me.

[QUOTE=CrackHoreLover;5693607]Just post it here, I can't see the topic being more then 30 or 40 posts.[/QUOTE]Over the years when folks have reminisced, others have gotten perturbed that the sub-forum was being cluttered with posts that aren't about current clubs and dancers, and I can understand and respect that. So when I get around to it, it will be in a separate area.

[QUOTE=TimeTwist;5695012]Yep at most bars $200 to $250 is the sweet spot for CFS. Bogarts and Henry's you can still get $150 to $175 for CFS, and $80 to $100 for BJ if the dancer remembers you. My problem is I am only in town every few months and few remember me.[/QUOTE]Bogarts tends to be a tad higher in pricing than H8 N, partly because they usually have a few dancers who are several notches higher in looks and body; one example is Chloe, an older dancer (30's, maybe 40's, but still solid). Also, there seem to be a handful of girls there that do limited extras, or none. There are girls at H8 N that are dances only, Bubbles for one, and another who I was with a couple months ago or so, whose name escapes me. I only go with them if they are super cool and I just grab two dances to check out their hot bodies.

H8 N definitely has the seediest, DTF vibe of any club in Detroit, and was the first bar that I got FS in about 20 years ago. Now H8 S was even seedier than North, but that place may never open again. Most that I have ever paid at North is 160, for everything. Once a girl became a regular, 100-120 for FS is often my norm, and that's based upon being a regular, and gladly buying them some drinks each time I'm there. I had one, an older hot mess, but real sweetheart who met in 2019 named Candy who worked both Bogarts and H8 and. First time after a 45 minute session with a couple pops, I asked how much I owed her, she replied "whatever you want". We met every week until March 2020 when first pandemic shutdown arrived. Sadly, she passed from CA in February of this year.

So, there is really no standard pricing; it's dependent on too many variables; the girl, her attitude, your attitude, how much in demand they are, how hot they are, etc. What I have learned from reading in this forum, and others over the years, and more importantly, observation in the clubs is that there is no shortage of dickheads in the manner of how they approach and treat the girls. And the pricing they get often reflects their attitudes. The guys who cry out that others are paying too much and raising prices and ruining it for everyone else are generally the biggest douche canoes; as if there is some pre-set floor and ceiling to stripper services. The next biggest dipshit brigade is those who pay a lot more than the median, and brag about it. At the end of the day, almost each encounter is a new negotiation, a new auction so to speak. To me the best way to get the best value, and that doesn't necessarily mean lowest price, is to be a nice guy to the dancers, to be gentleman. I have long been told that I don't look and act like most strip club guys by the dancers; and that is whether I was in a suit, jeans, or shorts. One's appearance and attitude matters. If I'm sitting between two guys dressed like they just mowed their lawn and changed their car's oil, the dancer will generally gravitate toward me. In summation, be nice and don't be a dick, tip the staff well, be friendly with the staff and managers, and owners, and you'll most likely get a better deal.

Compared to BT you can save 50 bucks at H8 / BR for CFS but the girls quality will be 1/4 of BT.

[QUOTE=Passenger;5695298]To me the best way to get the best value, and that doesn't necessarily mean lowest price, is to be a nice guy to the dancers, to be gentleman. I have long been told that I don't look and act like most strip club guys by the dancers; and that is whether I was in a suit, jeans, or shorts. One's appearance and attitude matters. If I'm sitting between two guys dressed like they just mowed their lawn and changed their car's oil, the dancer will generally gravitate toward me. In summation, be nice and don't be a dick, tip the staff well, be friendly with the staff and managers, and owners, and you'll most likely get a better deal.[/QUOTE]I couldn't agree more. Just the other day a dancer told me back in the VIP: "you smell great, that's definitely a plus" and we had a great time.

Your own hygiene is probably the biggest factor in YMMV.

[QUOTE=Devin226;5689184]I stopped into Bogart's based on this post. I saw Gia and we negotiated $1.5 for all. It wasn't worth it. Looks she was 8/10, but performance only 6/10. The first part is covered. The rest of the fun, she kept her hand in the way so it doesn't get too far in, and finally moved hand away at the end. Told me I must pull out (even with cover) before the finish.

In general, I don't understand the concept of Bogart's. BT's down the street is much nicer, serves food, most girls are much hotter and younger. And the girls in Bogarts charge the same amount as BT's. I walked out of Bogarts smelling like an ashtray. What's the point of going to Bogart's if you can go to a nicer club with hotter girls that charge the same price anyway? I don't understand it. I haven't been to Bogarts in a few years, but after going back yesterday now I remember why. Oddly enough, Bogarts charges $5 cover on day shift, but to be fair, BT's has a $10 Valet. I don't think $10 is going to make or break me in this hobby.[/QUOTE]Did you go to the same BT's I visited? The last time I visited it was full of rip off artists, who start off with $400 FS, then agree to $200 no song count, then try to charge you $400.

Anyone care to share what Brenda from Borgarts is like in VIP what kind of menu experiences I think she is very sexy and like to take her for a spin any intel from here would be greatly appreciated.

Anyone have anything to share about Brenda on day shift I have seen here there.

And wondering what kind of menu she has in VIP I think she is a sexy tall lady.

And would like to take her for a spin just wondering what to expect with her.

Any info would be greatly appreciated.

[QUOTE=MichiganSummer;5695990]Anyone have anything to share about Brenda on day shift I have seen here there.

And wondering what kind of menu she has in VIP I think she is a sexy tall lady.

And would like to take her for a spin just wondering what to expect with her.

Any info would be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]Though I haven't been with her in years, like 15 years. Back then she was only BJ; then she opened to FS, but I never tried. I just wasn't into her. She has fans obviously, or she wouldn't last for two decades. Pricing should be moderate with her, certainly not more than 140-150.

[QUOTE=Passenger;5696115]Though I haven't been with her in years, like 15 years. Back then she was only BJ; then she opened to FS, but I never tried. I just wasn't into her. She has fans obviously, or she wouldn't last for two decades. Pricing should be moderate with her, certainly not more than 140-150.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply I was curious what she is like but there are sexier ones there for sure just thought she could be a fun one but she may be to legit for me.

[QUOTE=Passenger;5696115]Though I haven't been with her in years, like 15 years. Back then she was only BJ; then she opened to FS, but I never tried. I just wasn't into her. She has fans obviously, or she wouldn't last for two decades. Pricing should be moderate with her, certainly not more than 140-150.[/QUOTE]It is crazy Brenda and a few other dancers from the 90's still work there. They have to pushing 60? Walking into bogarts is like walking into a time warp, just crazy!

[QUOTE=MichiganSummer;5695990]Anyone have anything to share about Brenda on day shift I have seen here there.

And wondering what kind of menu she has in VIP I think she is a sexy tall lady.

And would like to take her for a spin just wondering what to expect with her.

Any info would be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]If you're at the club, just ask her.

[QUOTE=Gerjon;5695528]I couldn't agree more. Just the other day a dancer told me back in the VIP: "you smell great, that's definitely a plus" and we had a great time.

Your own hygiene is probably the biggest factor in YMMV.[/QUOTE]Absolutely. I couldn't agree more with this.

[QUOTE=Incognito1234;5696362]Absolutely. I couldn't agree more with this.[/QUOTE]It's more then just hygiene that's for sure but hygiene is big. It should go without saying. So if that's your issues it's not your biggest problem. Because hygiene should always be in point especially when paying for company. It's not all about the money in high money clubs. Because there going to make money regardless.

Haven't done much strip clubs since Covid but wanted to see how the daytime talent was at FC so I went last Thursday. Got there around 545 grabbed a drink and ran into a mixed looking hottie named Penelope. I thought she would be lap dance only because she was cute and young. She said she's from Toledo and likes the day shift at FC. After a few minutes of talking she asked if I wanted some dances. I asked if she did extras and she replied yes. I wanted to play with her little body so I would have done just dances if that only was available but luckily she was DTF. She warmed me up with a few dances and pulled my dick out after 2 songs. Gave an above average BBBJ and probably could have made me blow, but I had to get my cock in her. After a few songs, I pulled out a condom for her. She put it on and hopped on. Nice soaked little pussy was ready to go. She rode me for a while and I wanted to bend her over, but she was pounding me hard and totally into it so I just came in the bag after one position. Will have to go back for more.

Barry.

I made a quick stop last week. They had twelve dancers with sparse customers. Familiar faces were Cat, Riley (not the attractive Bogart's thin blonde from years ago), Sabrina, Sunflower, and Tiara. The appearance standout was a white slender brunette, basically a taller version of Ashley. She didn't dance onstage during my visit to hear her name.

Cybill is 40 ish, white, red hair, A-cup tits, and a petite build. Watching her unruly stage performance got me stoked. The negotiation was straightforward. I enjoyed our VIP session. Some may not appreciate Cybill's loudness, but at least she couldn't yell with her mouth full at the beginning.

Total damage was 125 for cover charge, a beer, VIP tax, and dances.

[QUOTE=JulesJordan;5697511]I made a quick stop last week. They had twelve dancers with sparse customers. Familiar faces were Cat, Riley (not the attractive Bogart's thin blonde from years ago), Sabrina, Sunflower, and Tiara. The appearance standout was a white slender brunette, basically a taller version of Ashley. She didn't dance onstage during my visit to hear her name.

Cybill is 40 ish, white, red hair, A-cup tits, and a petite build. Watching her unruly stage performance got me stoked. The negotiation was straightforward. I enjoyed our VIP session. Some may not appreciate Cybill's loudness, but at least she couldn't yell with her mouth full at the beginning.

Total damage was 125 for cover charge, a beer, VIP tax, and dances.[/QUOTE]The last time I was at H8 N the VIP was just a room with some metal chairs. Very uncomfortable. How is the VIP now? Do they have booths? The dancer seemed so much in a rush and kept turning around like she was afraid of getting caught. That was a few years back so are they ok with giving VIP dances like at Bogarts?

[QUOTE=Studly77;5697934]The last time I was at H8 N the VIP was just a room with some metal chairs. Very uncomfortable. How is the VIP now? Do they have booths? The dancer seemed so much in a rush and kept turning around like she was afraid of getting caught. That was a few years back so are they ok with giving VIP dances like at Bogarts?[/QUOTE]You lost track of time there, Rip Van Winkle.

You probably haven't read this thread in as long. They've been reconfigured at least a couple times. Stalls with padded bench seats, curtains, and handles on walls for dancers.

Now come in now, you're pulling our legs, right?

[QUOTE=BarryUrschaft;5696919]Haven't done much strip clubs since Covid but wanted to see how the daytime talent was at FC so I went last Thursday. Got there around 545 grabbed a drink and ran into a mixed looking hottie named Penelope. I thought she would be lap dance only because she was cute and young. She said she's from Toledo and likes the day shift at FC. After a few minutes of talking she asked if I wanted some dances. I asked if she did extras and she replied yes. I wanted to play with her little body so I would have done just dances if that only was available but luckily she was DTF. She warmed me up with a few dances and pulled my dick out after 2 songs. Gave an above average BBBJ and probably could have made me blow, but I had to get my cock in her. After a few songs, I pulled out a condom for her. She put it on and hopped on. Nice soaked little pussy was ready to go. She rode me for a while and I wanted to bend her over, but she was pounding me hard and totally into it so I just came in the bag after one position. Will have to go back for more.

Barry.[/QUOTE]What was the damage?

[QUOTE=Studly77;5697934]The last time I was at H8 N the VIP was just a room with some metal chairs. Very uncomfortable. How is the VIP now? Do they have booths? The dancer seemed so much in a rush and kept turning around like she was afraid of getting caught. That was a few years back so are they ok with giving VIP dances like at Bogarts?[/QUOTE]This totally brings me back to the deanna days at h8's. Anyone know what happened to her? Still around?

[QUOTE=Streethunter;5698336]This totally brings me back to the deanna days at h8's. Anyone know what happened to her? Still around?[/QUOTE]It is a bummer that H's is still closed. I have not heard any direct reason why and the longer they are closed they less likely they will ever open.

I have asked about her in the past and all we get is some backlash about retirement.

Maybe things will change this year but who knows.

[QUOTE=Studly77;5698614]It is a bummer that H's is still closed. I have not heard any direct reason why and the longer they are closed they less likely they will ever open.

I have asked about her in the past and all we get is some backlash about retirement.

Maybe things will change this year but who knows.[/QUOTE]She's working at one of the auto companies so my guess is retirement is permanent. Too bad, she knew her way around a d*.

Stayed for 2 hours-ish. 10 cover. Hot chick with GPS started at 500 for VIP (forgot her name- but curvy brunette with 36 DDD bolt ons). Finally went back with Aloha- B cup Dominican built like a brick shithouse for 100 BJ no song count. Will repeat when back in town.

Managed to find myself at the area of the LS the other day. Had some cash on hand decided to check it out. As luck would have it they were packed for the Christmas party. I got there just as day shift was getting ready to go. Girl name Zena from day shift came and sat down with me. She was up front offering extra and a good price. Told me the other girls on days and her had to beat some girls ass for trying to charge 200 for FS on days. Not sure how much stock I'd put in that. She was cute, but a bit bigger than I like so I passed. Talked to some other girls, no one stands out, while I waited for dayshift to end and watched the night shift filter in. Ran into a night shift girl named Abby or Bri, honestly can't recall. Super cute, short blonde hair, mid to late 20's, fit with young firm B cups and a killer ass. Needless to say I felt compelled to sample. Went straight back and once in the VIP she was direct, asked if I wanted extras. CBJ and CFS were offered for 200 or 300 respectfully. Seems like every one had extras on the menu and no one was shy about it.

Hello all just wanted to know if we have full nude strip clubs in Detroit?

I went to SC, BTs and Henry yesterday and they were all dead. Very little customers and dancers. I went in the evening.

[QUOTE=JohnyWheeler21;5699510]Hello all just wanted to know if we have full nude strip clubs in Detroit?[/QUOTE]Technically, they are all required to wear their bottoms but at Henry VIII and Bogarts, it isn't unusual for them to show off pussy. In the VIP at any of the extras clubs (Landing Strip, H8, Bogart's, Silver Cricket, BT) you'll definitely get them naked in the back room. Kind of hard to have sex with them if they kept their bottoms on.