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[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3682561]Bros. I have been trying out SB for the benefit of the here assembled SD fraternity. ..[/QUOTE]The SA mobile app had a different pricing structure from the web site and the lowest was $35 for 7 days but now it is just like the web site with the lowest being $80 for a month. May have to check out SB.
FFA please share your experiences on SB.
Sweetlilyjay is back online today on SA. She has not been online for several weeks so I assume she has scammed as many guys as she trolled the first time and is back looking for new blood.
This is the gorgeous Asian that I believe is a scammer just trying to collect $100 for a meet and greet and then she disappears. She did this to me and I know of at least 1 other member that backed out when she asked to be paid for the M & G.
I have been following her online and she has a committed bf.
She is very convincing that she is serious but I don't think she is. I'd be interested if anyone actually gets a date with her but don't want to recommend that anyone bother.
Anyway, good luck and be safe!
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3682561]Anyway, you have to buy credits on the site to message girls or see their pix. $60 is the minimum, which gives you 10 conversations.
[/QUOTE]That is the same way the scam plays out at SA's sister site "What's Your Price. " Gets sold as platonic dates for cash and issues strong warnings about payment is to NEVER be assumed to include sex. Muddles the whole SD / SB landscape, IMHO.
Just avoid this stuff.
[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;3683350]The SA mobile app had a different pricing structure from the web site and the lowest was $35 for 7 days but now it is just like the web site with the lowest being $80 for a month. May have to check out SB.
FFA please share your experiences on SB.[/QUOTE]The SB customer service says they accept Mastercard and Visa. Well, duh?! If I didn't have a SO, that would be just peachy. They also said "If you decide to use a prepaid card, please contact the card provider and make sure that they allow online transactions. " which isn't quite the point. They have to allow international online transactions. OneVanilla CS suggested using a MyVanilla card, and I looked at those today at the pharmacy. They require full personal info, including a SSN. So, there's not much cover from using them.
Their alternative is:"We also accept payment via Bitcoin, which is an easy process. Please let me know if this particular option will work for you, so that I can set up an address which will be specific for you to make payment into, and then I can provide you with the steps to do so. " I am not too knowledgeable about crypto, but one thing I have learned is there are Bitcoin ATMs, for deposits and withdrawals (one even nearby me). It seems likely that in the time necessary to complete a transaction with SB, the value would not fluctuate too much. You can search for the ATMs by location, I have read instructions for using them, but they were likely written by a millennial and I am still not clear. I'd love it if one of my bowl brothers did the deed and reported. You do need a smart phone, but our burners ought to work.
[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;3683350]The SA mobile app had a different pricing structure from the web site and the lowest was $35 for 7 days but now it is just like the web site with the lowest being $80 for a month. May have to check out SB.
FFA please share your experiences on SB.[/QUOTE]I have had great success on SB. I have had several dreams with a very hot 18 year old sugar baby. Have 3 other POTs a 18, 19 and 26 year old that look to be very good. I recommend the site.
[QUOTE=WildBill225;3684085]I have had great success on SB. I have had several dreams with a very hot 18 year old sugar baby. Have 3 other POTs a 18, 19 and 26 year old that look to be very good. I recommend the site.[/QUOTE]Great, but how did you pay for your credits?
RVA brothers,
This cutie was once on my SA to-do list when she lived in VB, she's since moved to RVA and I never had the opportunity. She's recently hmu asking if I could help and I just don't get up that way often. Thus, I wanted to ensure y'all had the chance to help her out. Mid 20's, no restrictions. Not sure of your financial obligations but she's super cool to talk with. If you're interested PM me and I'll put you in contact with her.
All I ask is you have some forum credibility and please dont hmu if you dont contribute to the sharing of information in here.
Thanks,
Salty.
Went to renew today looks like it went up another $10, Brandon you know you got us right by the balls. Haha!
Anyone with any info on this GPS woman?
[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/de2e6d08-89e7-465b-a69e-0039626e5412[/URL]
Wants 1 K for first FS meet and $$ for each after that! Damn!
[QUOTE=RedBaron69;3685631]Anyone with any info on this GPS woman?
[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/de2e6d08-89e7-465b-a69e-0039626e5412[/URL]
Wants 1 K for first FS meet and $$ for each after that! Damn![/QUOTE]Actually is was $$ after the first visit!
[QUOTE=RedBaron69;3685882]Actually is was $$ after the first visit![/QUOTE]Wow, a grand for first roll in the hay?
If she thinks that highly of her vag, good luck ever getting to the $$ visit level.
Then again, we all have different budgets, wants, needs, types and fantasies.
God Bless the USA🇺127480;.
[QUOTE=BStreet;3685504]Went to renew today looks like it went up another $10, Brandon you know you got us right by the balls. Haha![/QUOTE]Is ArrangementFinders any good? This is free [URL]https://www.sugardaddytoday.com/[/URL] and site is okay probably better than the paid SD4 ME.
[QUOTE=WildBill225;3684085]I have had great success on SB. I have had several dreams with a very hot 18 year old sugar baby. Have 3 other POTs a 18, 19 and 26 year old that look to be very good. I recommend the site.[/QUOTE]Malwarebytes went nuts when I went to their site. Probably not a good thing. I had a really good hit off of Arraignment Finders a few years ago, but the last time I was there it was full of fake profiles.
[QUOTE=RedBaron69;3685882]Actually is was $$ after the first visit![/QUOTE]Actually it wasn't $$, it was 5 $ each additional. LOL.
[QUOTE=RedBaron69;3686518]Actually it wasn't $$, it was 5 $ each additional. LOL.[/QUOTE]And I would wish her well and say good luck with that. Maybe you will find someone is up for that but it will not be me.
[QUOTE=RedBaron69;3685631]Anyone with any info on this GPS woman?
[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/de2e6d08-89e7-465b-a69e-0039626e5412[/URL]
Wants 1 K for first FS meet and $$ for each after that! Damn![/QUOTE]I guess there are different ways to get to $3 k a month.
[QUOTE=RedBaron69;3685631]Anyone with any info on this GPS woman?
[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/de2e6d08-89e7-465b-a69e-0039626e5412[/URL]
Wants 1 K for first FS meet and 5$ for each after that! Damn![/QUOTE]General rule: if she needs that much sugar to hold her nose and tolerate you, the less she likes you. The less she likes you the less the main course will be fun and exciting. If you're only looking for a warm body that goes through the motion with you, you can do it for a LOT less and more time efficient with a pro.
[QUOTE=FTP1999;3676644]Oh no.
I just noticed that the one week upgrade option in SA applet is gone 😥.
Bummer.
I downloaded the app today, not sure when it disappeared.[/QUOTE]I just noticed the renewal price is 89.99.
Deeds,
I haven't been reading the boards lately so I just now saw this. The subject of managing Arrangements Gone Sideways is one of the most important discussion topics in this entire lifestyle. It is one of those matters that truly puts sugar dating on the dating side of the fence and separates it from simple pay-for-play escorting.
As best as I can recall and if I'm not mistaken, you're in the league of SDs that are considered extremely attractive by the SBs? At least I think that was you and there have been a few others that post here regularly. We have a completely different set of problems with sugar dating that doesn't even apply to a good portion of the SD demographic, and it's hard to approach those subjects on this board without (a) sounding elitist and (b) getting comments from those who don't get it because they don't have the same experiences.
So your first question:
(1) Do I put her in her place and call her out, or just ghost her?
Preventing and preempting this kind of situation is better than doing damage control after the fact! And yes, most of the time it can be prevented, not only by guarding your anonymity very well but also just in your social interactions. It is very rare that I just meet an SB online, swap a couple of texts, then hook up. For each one I meet I spend quite a bit of time exchanging messages just to find out more about who she is. I'm looking for signs of emotional instability, clinger behavior, etc. The filtering process is not perfect but its a good start -- only problem is it is A LOT of work because you have a time investment for each SB, some of whom you may never even meet. Then during your first date, every word that you speak should be geared toward mentally preparing her to have fun, casual sex with a random stranger. You are basically selling the benefits of NSA, drama-less sex, and reminding her of all of the normal dating BS bullshit that you both are avoiding by not getting too deep into each others lives. Sometimes this is hard, because when you are sitting there across the table from an extremely hot 18 or 19 year old that's looking at you all starry-eyed and excited, your first instinct is to maximize your enjoyment and get as much as you can out of the situation. But the reality is you will enjoy it all more if you don't focus on giving her the best orgasm of her life, just focus on the best possible no-complications experience.
When prevention is no longer an option for whatever reason, you are now in damage control mode. In short, do not abruptly ghost and do not agitate the situation by calling her out. Either one are triggers when dealing with the dynamics of female hormones! Both of these cause behavior spikes. You want to eliminate the peaks and valleys of her behavior. What I try to do is make a commitment to keeping the texting going, keep it positive, keep it full of hope and promise. Simultaneously, inject a distraction like family / work matters, travel out of the country, etc that you can use as a reason to not see her in person, and also that helps explain why the time between your text responses is slowly increasing. Slowly increase the amount of time between texts. She is young and will get impatient, but by doing it gradually you are helping wean her off. Then start throwing in things that would be turn offs for women, like you just found out you're getting a pay cut, or anything you can think of to make her want to know you less.
Next question:
(2) How do you brothers keep these girls from finding you?
The Index has some entry points to discussions about anonymity here:
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?15100-Sugarbaby-Thread-Highlights-Index-and-FAQ&p=2480829&viewfull=1#post2480829[/URL]
No method of anonymity is fool-proof! It's just a risk of the game. However the smart game is to always be on guard and proactively protecting your identity as best as you can, and keep in mind that "highly desired" daddies need to be even more concerned about this than the average SD, so never stop thinking about it. At the same time you need to make it look like you are NOT concerned, and not doing anything to intentionally conceal it, because if they see that as a weakness it could increase their interest in finding out.
You mentioned them finding out who you are through the hotel, but I don't think that a well-run hotel would ever reveal your identity. Anything like my vehicle registration, etc. Is moved out of reach of the SB (don't anything with your name in your glove box). I specifically do not let them see CC receipts. In fact I try to pay with cash at every possible opportunity because I'm worried they'll read my name on signing of the receipt or whatever.
But at the end of the day, sometimes my name does get revealed and then it's poker face time, and just convincingly portray that daddy doesn't give a fuck who knows who he is, because if the shit hits the fan he will conquer all takers (without directly saying that).
And honestly there is some truth to it in my case. Not long ago I was at a restaurant with an SB with a long waiting time (they text you when your table is ready). They asked for phone and last name and I intentionally gave them real last name, she still didn't know my first. I just didn't give a fuck at that point. I had been with her the whole weekend and I knew I laid enough preemptive ground work that she is absolutely not going to ever be a problem. An SB that I didn't know as well I probably would have given a different last name.
[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;3674510]I'm a fairly seasoned SD and worked SA off and on for going on four years. I've done well protecting my privacy and such, but have ran into a couple crazies, or jaded women lately. The type who have double standards. Like you owe them a relationship, or something committed, while they're out there fucking everyone. LOL. Usually I've found this happens because they actually like you and when some of these young women like you, they get clingy and downright scary.
My questions is do you just ghost them outright and not put them in their place? One girl is insisting she find out who I am, where I live, she's mad as hell, as I had sex with her twice, paid her allowance and didn't want to see her again. She's going off on my big time as she felt we had some chemistry between us. Meanwhile, she's working the site 24/7. Do I put her in her place and call her out, or just ghost her? I also know if anyone truly wants to find out about someone today, they can do it. So if she really put her mind to it, I'm sure she could show up at my front door. I was good to this ***** and she won; t just go away.
The second case is a girl who has a PhD, but in the process she's lost her mind. She's 28, recently graduated with her PhD and she's insane, but sweet. The pressure to find work, her recently lost boyfriend and so, had her on a bag of medications. We went out for drinks and both got a little drunk and made out, held hands, it was sweet, she told me, "I love you" but I attributed it to being drunk. Well now she wants to be exclusive, and wants me to be her boyfriend. She's not had many, only three her entire life. She too is demanding she know who I am, where I live etc, etc. However this girl is actually not seeing anyone and she has kind of a sweet side and I sort of like her.
How do you brothers keep these girls from finding you? I mean they can look at the credit card slip, check with whatever hotel you stay at, look at your vehicle registration, etc etc and get your name. From there, they got you.[/QUOTE]
I have been playing with Tinder lately. Its actually pretty amusing to see the fake profiles. Most of the real girls are trying to hook up with guys their own age for regular dating but some say they are looking for an SD. Those get superliked if they are cute and nearby.
None of them have ever turned out to be more than a few texts and then they go silent. Until yesterday.
I superliked an 18 yo HS student that says she's an aspiring SB, very open minded and bisexual. 5 ft 4, white girl, very fit, blonde and black hair. She liked me back and we started a conversation that quickly moved to text. It took some polite normal conversation to get to the point of really discussing what we are looking for but at this point the (very explicit) parameters of a potential arrangement are nailed down. She is def DTF and the menu is pretty open. She also does not have GPS. Looking for a very reasonable arrangement.
She is about an hour North of the RVA and doesn't have a car but I am heading up to meet her tomorrow for lunch. Ill keep you posted.
Wish me luck and be safe!
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3684287]Great, but how did you pay for your credits?[/QUOTE]I payed with just a regular cc, the charge doesn't have anything that would make it stand out on it that I could tell. But I wasn't worried about it anyway because I don't have a SO.
So guys I never knew this treasure of knowledge existed here about SB / SD. I was trying there as a lone wolf so far. Few successes and few setbacks. But man, you brothers! I am glad I found you all.
I am curious to hear your thoughts on couple of these cases:
1. Now a few handful times it happened that I have been texting with SBs for couple of weeks. We agreed on all logistics, details, place to meet etc. They show you all sorts of pics including the ones you will want to jump in phone itself. When the day comes to meet, suddenly texts are becoming rare to none and then vanished. Not just one SB but multiple SBs and not in the same city occurrence made me feel annoyed. Not sure what the heck went wrong, especially when even the day before everything is sounding perfect. I never go into too details either, I am not into any of those crazy explorations either.
2. Now hear this. !! One time found someone at SA, within couple of texts she quotes me xxx amount to meet, and asked me to text. Red flag me thinking may be a Pro. Not to my surprise, when I asked for pics on texts, she sends me the ones you won't resist. Later through texting seems normal, so I decided to meet in person for a meet and greet. Just to test the water.
But here's the weirdest thing ever, as I walked into that restaurant, I got my eyes on a lady (late 20's, early 30's) sitting there who was looking at me. You know that when someone is keeping an eye on you. While I am talking to the attendant, with my corner eyes I noticed that she said something like "he's here!! " Now I don't know for sure if that was for me or someone else, but I could read her lips saying that. Then in couple minutes this hottie SB shows up to meet me.
In conversation she seems perfectly normal, talks about her plans of life etc. And we seem to have absolutely normal conversation for almost an hour. Meanwhile within 30 minutes in conversation, I noticed that lady met some other lady and after few minutes they both left while I am still talking to this SB.
Since I came back from there, I have this bad feeling of that other lady's look and what she said on phone to someone else. May be I am over thinking here, but it was really strange. This SB has her profile for over a year on SA. After that meeting, I briefly texted with thank you and said we could schedule something. She did not contact back yet. I am not sure if I should contact again. Very confused, she was really hot. !!
Am I overthinking here?
What do you experts say about two of my strange experiences? Any feedback is appreciated.
Just FYI, there is a fetish oriented site a sb I see pointed me to. Just looking around it I've run across 4 different girls that are on SA. It's interesting to not only see them naked but to see what their kinks are as well LOL.
[QUOTE=Hungre1234;3689614]Just FYI, there is a fetish oriented site a sb I see pointed me to. Just looking around it I've run across 4 different girls that are on SA. It's interesting to not only see them naked but to see what their kinks are as well LOL.[/QUOTE]Would love to check it out. What's the name / link?
Thanks and be safe!
[QUOTE=Hungre1234;3689614]Just FYI, there is a fetish oriented site a sb I see pointed me to. Just looking around it I've run across 4 different girls that are on SA. It's interesting to not only see them naked but to see what their kinks are as well LOL.[/QUOTE]What is the name of the site? I am a Dom so I know several of the fetish site. Amazing how many of these sugar babies are submissive and dying for bondage and BDSM.
[QUOTE=WildBill225;3689802]What is the name of the site? I am a Dom so I know several of the fetish site. Amazing how many of these sugar babies are submissive and dying for bondage and BDSM.[/QUOTE]Its the really popular one, f*tlife. I stopped looking but I'm sure there's even more SA girls there.
Seems I have been put in SA jail for 24 hrs. Who know you can't use the term casual encounter?
Someone on there should make a list of things you can't say. LOL.
I have not been able to buy credits. Clicking on the link brings me back to the dashboard.
[QUOTE=RedBaron69;3690192]Seems I have been put in SA jail for 24 hrs. Who know you can't use the term casual encounter?
Someone on there should make a list of things you can't say. LOL.[/QUOTE]Post their correspondence informing you of the violation. Casual encounter seems rather picky. Also post the link to the girl who complained.
[QUOTE=Apothecary;3689285]So guys I never knew this treasure of knowledge existed here about SB / SD. I was trying there as a lone wolf so far. Few successes and few setbacks. But man, you brothers! I am glad I found you all.
I am curious to hear your thoughts on couple of these cases:
1. Now a few handful times it happened that I have been texting with SBs for couple of weeks. We agreed on all logistics, details, place to meet etc. They show you all sorts of pics including the ones you will want to jump in phone itself. When the day comes to meet, suddenly texts are becoming rare to none and then vanished. Not just one SB but multiple SBs and not in the same city occurrence made me feel annoyed. Not sure what the heck went wrong, especially when even the day before everything is sounding perfect. I never go into too details either, I am not into any of those crazy explorations either.
2. Now hear this. !! One time found someone at SA, within couple of texts she quotes me xxx amount to meet, and asked me to text. Red flag me thinking may be a Pro. Not to my surprise, when I asked for pics on texts, she sends me the ones you won't resist. Later through texting seems normal, so I decided to meet in person for a meet and greet. Just to test the water.
But here's the weirdest thing ever, as I walked into that restaurant, I got my eyes on a lady (late 20's, early 30's) sitting there who was looking at me. You know that when someone is keeping an eye on you. While I am talking to the attendant, with my corner eyes I noticed that she said something like "he's here!! " Now I don't know for sure if that was for me or someone else, but I could read her lips saying that. Then in couple minutes this hottie SB shows up to meet me.
In conversation she seems perfectly normal, talks about her plans of life etc. And we seem to have absolutely normal conversation for almost an hour. Meanwhile within 30 minutes in conversation, I noticed that lady met some other lady and after few minutes they both left while I am still talking to this SB.
Since I came back from there, I have this bad feeling of that other lady's look and what she said on phone to someone else. May be I am over thinking here, but it was really strange. This SB has her profile for over a year on SA. After that meeting, I briefly texted with thank you and said we could schedule something. She did not contact back yet. I am not sure if I should contact again. Very confused, she was really hot. !!
Am I over thinking here?
What do you experts say about two of my strange experiences? Any feedback is appreciated.[/QUOTE]On #1, sometimes they just flake. Just like we often set up plans to meet with 2 or 3 at a time so we have a backup, they do the same thing with SDs, but then you have to throw in the spontaneity dynamic of a nutty young female and the way her mind works, then keep in mind that reliable behavior isn't their strong point. I've had some pretty frustrating scheduling experiences in the past and it's just one of the downsides to the game. I don't really deal with the UTR types, but I would suspect they are more prone to flaking because they have more going on and are approaching the situation like an escort. The college girls that are looking for an exclusive daddy with strong emotional connection are less likely to do that IMHO and I think more likely to value your time.
On #2, I think you're over thinking it. The other women might have been completely unrelated. It sounded like the M&G happened, but I wasn't sure on whether you attempted a trip to the FC? If you did try, what was her excuse?
[QUOTE=JZLizard;3691280]On #1, sometimes they just flake. Just like we often set up plans to meet with 2 or 3 at a time so we have a backup, they do the same thing with SDs, but then you have to throw in the spontaneity dynamic of a nutty young female and the way her mind works, then keep in mind that reliable behavior isn't their strong point. I've had some pretty frustrating scheduling experiences in the past and it's just one of the downsides to the game. I don't really deal with the UTR types, but I would suspect they are more prone to flaking because they have more going on and are approaching the situation like an escort. The college girls that are looking for an exclusive daddy with strong emotional connection are less likely to do that IMHO and I think more likely to value your time.
On #2, I think you're over thinking it. The other women might have been completely unrelated. It sounded like the M&G happened, but I wasn't sure on whether you attempted a trip to the FC? If you did try, what was her excuse?[/QUOTE]They are going to flake. It is part of the game and if you are easily frustrated by that then it will not go well for you.
As to your experience, maybe she had a spy to check you out and report back before she actually decided she wanted to meet you. That could be possible.
You guys are right.
For # 1: I have accepted that it's a game of patience I was just wondering if I was the only one and should I be changing my strategy.
For #2: I sort of got cold feet after that meet and greet, I had various thoughts in my head. What if they took my pics with her, and what can be the potential outcome of that? Just to play safe I suppose. But the SB is hot and she was really good in meet and greet and I am so tempted to contact her again. I guess I may decide to roll the dice Any signs that I should be watching for, given what I explained to you guys.
[QUOTE=RappaHannock;3691430]They are going to flake. It is part of the game and if you are easily frustrated by that then it will not go well for you.
As to your experience, maybe she had a spy to check you out and report back before she actually decided she wanted to meet you. That could be possible.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JZLizard;3691280]On #1, sometimes they just flake. Just like we often set up plans to meet with 2 or 3 at a time so we have a backup, they do the same thing with SDs, but then you have to throw in the spontaneity dynamic of a nutty young female and the way her mind works, then keep in mind that reliable behavior isn't their strong point. I've had some pretty frustrating scheduling experiences in the past and it's just one of the downsides to the game. I don't really deal with the UTR types, but I would suspect they are more prone to flaking because they have more going on and are approaching the situation like an escort. The college girls that are looking for an exclusive daddy with strong emotional connection are less likely to do that IMHO and I think more likely to value your time.
On #2, I think you're over thinking it. The other women might have been completely unrelated. It sounded like the M&G happened, but I wasn't sure on whether you attempted a trip to the FC? If you did try, what was her excuse?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=RappaHannock;3691430]They are going to flake. It is part of the game and if you are easily frustrated by that then it will not go well for you.
[/QUOTE]Well in my case, the frustration was not due to "normal" flaking, such as just becoming incommunicado at the very last minute. I've actually had very good luck investing lots of up front conversation time with the girls I really like, such that they are already in the bag in terms of their desire to show up or whatever by the time the M&G takes place. The kind of shit that I find frustrating is more along the lines of immaturity and poor planning, such as them telling me an hour before the scheduled meeting time that they don't have a ride, and then I have to figure out uber, cab, or drive out of my way to go get them or whatever.
[QUOTE=RappaHannock;3691430]
As to your experience, maybe she had a spy to check you out and report back before she actually decided she wanted to meet you. That could be possible.[/QUOTE]I believe you meant this for the other poster's experience? I had the same thought, but the main point I wanted to make is that from the time she sits down, every word that is spoken should be targeting the goal of having her in the fuck chamber within the next 2-3 hours, and I didn't ask but I hope he didn't pay her anything to show up and say hello. If I thought she was there with cohorts, I would have been immediately discussing the possibility of getting drinks somewhere else and the outcome of that would have given me a better read on the situation. But I still think it doesn't matter what else is going on if you close with a trip to the FC. Just focus on getting laid and worry about whether she's a UTR or on a spy mission later.
Thanks for responding.
I hear your point, I have been in situations where I am asked to pay for Uber at the very last minute. I just say no and move on. If she's that indecisive then I don't have any trust on how that will turn out later. So, that's a no go for me.
As per my case#2 I didn't pay for meet and greet. That's what is crazy about the whole thing. Everything went as planned and smooth except for those couple of ladies messing in my head. Sounds like it deserves a follow up.
[QUOTE=JZLizard;3691965]Well in my case, the frustration was not due to "normal" flaking, such as just becoming incommunicado at the very last minute. I've actually had very good luck investing lots of up front conversation time with the girls I really like, such that they are already in the bag in terms of their desire to show up or whatever by the time the M&G takes place. The kind of shit that I find frustrating is more along the lines of immaturity and poor planning, such as them telling me an hour before the scheduled meeting time that they don't have a ride, and then I have to figure out uber, cab, or drive out of my way to go get them or whatever.
I believe you meant this for the other poster's experience? I had the same thought, but the main point I wanted to make is that from the time she sits down, every word that is spoken should be targeting the goal of having her in the fuck chamber within the next 2-3 hours, and I didn't ask but I hope he didn't pay her anything to show up and say hello. If I thought she was there with cohorts, I would have been immediately discussing the possibility of getting drinks somewhere else and the outcome of that would have given me a better read on the situation. But I still think it doesn't matter what else is going on if you close with a trip to the FC. Just focus on getting laid and worry about whether she's a UTR or on a spy mission later.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Apothecary;3689285]So guys I never knew this treasure of knowledge existed here about SB / SD. I was trying there as a lone wolf so far. Few successes and few setbacks. But man, you brothers! I am glad I found you all.
I am curious to hear your thoughts on couple of these cases:
1. Now a few handful times it happened that I have been texting with SBs for couple of weeks. We agreed on all logistics, details, place to meet etc. They show you all sorts of pics including the ones you will want to jump in phone itself. When the day comes to meet, suddenly texts are becoming rare to none and then vanished. Not just one SB but multiple SBs and not in the same city occurrence made me feel annoyed. Not sure what the heck went wrong, especially when even the day before everything is sounding perfect. I never go into too details either, I am not into any of those crazy explorations either.
2. Now hear this. !! One time found someone at SA, within couple of texts she quotes me xxx amount to meet, and asked me to text. Red flag me thinking may be a Pro. Not to my surprise, when I asked for pics on texts, she sends me the ones you won't resist. Later through texting seems normal, so I decided to meet in person for a meet and greet. Just to test the water.
But here's the weirdest thing ever, as I walked into that restaurant, I got my eyes on a lady (late 20's, early 30's) sitting there who was looking at me. You know that when someone is keeping an eye on you. While I am talking to the attendant, with my corner eyes I noticed that she said something like "he's here!! " Now I don't know for sure if that was for me or someone else, but I could read her lips saying that. Then in couple minutes this hottie SB shows up to meet me.
In conversation she seems perfectly normal, talks ....
What do you experts say about two of my strange experiences? Any feedback is appreciated.[/QUOTE]So. Maybe my $0. 02 is different.
We used to call these cock teasers.
They never intended to go to the FC.
Got to learn to weed them out soon so you don't waste your time. I always do M&G within a week. If not, move along.
Then after a pleasant meet will push hard and if cannot.
Seal deal in week, move along.
Don't get too chatty. Even in the bowl there is a friend zone thing of sorts.
Don't know if others seen this.
Had a POT apparently give my text to one friend to act like a POT.
And another started something on the site all of a sudden.
Best as I can tell they were watching out for each other.
Can't tell you what they were comparing or how judging my creep factor. I asked once what that was all about.
Got a little giggle and that's all.
So based on some of your suggestions I reached out to that SB I met for M&G (no allowance was asked / given for M&G) (case#2). Just to test the case again, I used a different number and said we met last week, gave all sorts of details and reminded her who I was. This one tells me oh I can not meet you because you said you could not afford me during our meet. I was like what do you mean, we agreed on everything and we were supposed to meet again this week with allowance. I asked what was the allowance that you asked for and I did not agree with and then she quoted me some high allowance and said you did not agree to that.
In reality in that M&G we never talked about any allowance. In fact during texting before M&G, we had agreed on a set amount that was lower than what she asked now. So then I confronted her with some details of conversation and asked do you remember what we discussed on this and that conversation etc. And not to be surprised that person had no idea what I was talking about.
Bottom line, my conclusion, the person (lets call her Granny) who was texting me was not the one who showed up. My gut feel was right, they work in groups. Perhaps Granny schedules the meets, comes to the M&G place first, clears the air and then as soon as SD comes in, SB is informed and now she can walk in. Since it's been a week, Granny has no idea what arrangements were made with me because I tricked her with a different number and has no recollection of any conversation. I understand she could technically meet with 10 different guys but there's no way one can forget specific details of an hour meeting just a week ago. If it was the same SB, then there's no way someone can blackout on an hour conversation after a week. So I guess this is how new agencies are targeting guys now using SA. There's no cost of maintaining a website, its all free and they have no fear of being called illegal!!
So I am glad I trusted my gut and did not follow up last week itself. Although I am sure if I used the earlier number / SA account to contact, the SB will show up. But I just cannot support these agencies flourishing like that.
I am not sure how I can prove this to SA either so that her account can be disabled.
But I guess learn and live. Be Careful Guys!!
[QUOTE=Apothecary;3689285]So guys I never knew this treasure of knowledge existed here about SB / SD. I was trying there as a lone wolf so far. Few successes and few setbacks. But man, you brothers! I am glad I found you all.
I am curious to hear your thoughts on couple of these cases:
1. Now a few handful times it happened that I have been texting with SBs for couple of weeks. We agreed on all logistics, details, place to meet etc. They show you all sorts of pics including the ones you will want to jump in phone itself. When the day comes to meet, suddenly texts are becoming rare to none and then vanished. Not just one SB but multiple SBs and not in the same city occurrence made me feel annoyed. Not sure what the heck went wrong, especially when even the day before everything is sounding perfect. I never go into too details either, I am not into any of those crazy explorations either.
2. Now hear this. !! One time found someone at SA, within couple of texts she quotes me xxx amount to meet, and asked me to text. Red flag me thinking may be a Pro. Not to my surprise, when I asked for pics on texts, she sends me the ones you won't resist. Later through texting seems normal, so I decided to meet in person for a meet and greet. Just to test the water.
But here's the weirdest thing ever, as I walked into that restaurant, I got my eyes on a lady (late 20's, early 30's) sitting there who was looking at me. You know that when someone is keeping an eye on you. While I am talking to the attendant, with my corner eyes I noticed that she said something like "he's here!! " Now I don't know for sure if that was for me or someone else, but I could read her lips saying that. Then in couple minutes this hottie SB shows up to meet me.
In conversation she seems perfectly normal, talks about her plans of life etc. And we seem to have absolutely normal conversation for almost an hour. Meanwhile within 30 minutes in conversation, I noticed that lady met some other lady and after few minutes they both left while I am still talking to this SB.
Since I came back from there, I have this bad feeling of that other lady's look and what she said on phone to someone else. May be I am over thinking here, but it was really strange. This SB has her profile for over a year on SA. After that meeting, I briefly texted with thank you and said we could schedule something. She did not contact back yet. I am not sure if I should contact again. Very confused, she was really hot. !!
Am I overthinking here?
What do you experts say about two of my strange experiences? Any feedback is appreciated.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Apothecary;3692908]So based on some of your suggestions I reached out to that SB I met for M&G (no allowance was asked / given for M&G) (case#2). Just to test the case again, I used a different number and said we met last week, gave all sorts of details and reminded her who I was. This one tells me oh I can not meet you because you said you could not afford me during our meet. I was like what do you mean, we agreed on everything and we were supposed to meet again this week with allowance. I asked what was the allowance that you asked for and I did not agree with and then she quoted me some high allowance and said you did not agree to that.
In reality in that M&G we never talked about any allowance. In fact during texting before M&G, we had agreed on a set amount that was lower than what she asked now. So then I confronted her with some details of conversation and asked do you remember what we discussed on this and that conversation etc. And not to be surprised that person had no idea what I was talking about.
Bottom line, my conclusion, the person (lets call her Granny) who was texting me was not the one who showed up. My gut feel was right, they work in groups. Perhaps Granny schedules the meets, comes to the M&G place first, clears the air and then as soon as SD comes in, SB is informed and now she can walk in. Since it's been a week, Granny has no idea what arrangements were made with me because I tricked her with a different number and has no recollection of any conversation. I understand she could technically meet with 10 different guys but there's no way one can forget specific details of an hour meeting just a week ago. If it was the same SB, then there's no way someone can blackout on an hour conversation after a week. So I guess this is how new agencies are targeting guys now using SA. There's no cost of maintaining a website, its all free and they have no fear of being called illegal!!
So I am glad I trusted my gut and did not follow up last week itself. Although I am sure if I used the earlier number / SA account to contact, the SB will show up. But I just cannot support these agencies flourishing like that.
I am not sure how I can prove this to SA either so that her account can be disabled.
But I guess learn and live. Be Careful Guys!![/QUOTE]Another lesson learned. When something doesn't feel right, just move on to the next regardless of how hot she may be. Just too many fish in the sea to get bogged down with one nut case.
[QUOTE=SaltyDog2016;3684719]RVA brothers,
This cutie was once on my SA to-do list when she lived in VB, she's since moved to RVA and I never had the opportunity. She's recently hmu asking if I could help and I just don't get up that way often. Thus, I wanted to ensure y'all had the chance to help her out. Mid 20's, no restrictions. Not sure of your financial obligations but she's super cool to talk with. If you're interested PM me and I'll put you in contact with her.
All I ask is you have some forum credibility and please dont hmu if you dont contribute to the sharing of information in here.
Thanks,
Salty.[/QUOTE]I've looked for this one on SA but haven't been able to find her.
Has anyone had any luck with Above_average1? I've seen her profile for a long time and can't even get the time of Day from her. Her few pics she's shown over the years are extremely hot. Just curious. I usually have pretty good angles of approach. But not with her.