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I'm aware of the fact that CGs wander and no location is a sure thing, but I'm staying at TI for several days early next month and was wondering if someone has had any luck finding any there. I'll bring them back from other, more popular casinos if necessary, but the lazy way is preferable. If no one has had luck at TI, I probably won't waste much time looking there, and focus my efforts elsewhere. Thanks in advance for any help you may be able to offer.
[QUOTE=Miketastic69;3150176]I have had my best luck in Cosmo, Caesars, and places with happening night clubs (like Bank in Bellagio). They see you hanging around where the action is, you must have some loot. Walk around like some pretentious rich douchebag on your cell phone and make eye contact. If they respond, then end your bogus call and use that as an icebreaker.
"hey, I saw your fine ass across the room. I had to close that deal over the phone so I could pay attention to the room and maybe close some deals in here. ".[/QUOTE]And have had some nice pm's and posts from you mongers out there, but this guy rocks! Made me laugh right away and I am sure very true in the land of neon! Bet it works! Beautiful post. Love it!
[QUOTE=Binky77;3119017]There was a recent post in one of the Vegas subforums here of a guy who paid $400 to a casino girl and then defended it saying something like "If its worth the price to the monger and he had a good time, then what's the issue?"
But it also raises the price for everyone else when the provider feels they've been undercharging and starts to believe that everyone will agree to the out of market price. And they tell their girlfriends who also try raising their prices.
It ruins the market for the majority of us when people overpay.
So - Perhaps someone paid her $400 - 500 the day before you called, and you getting quoted that price is the result.[/QUOTE]I've never seen a girl worth paying less than $500. Girl that only gets $200 isn't worth the $200. You can get low quality free at almost any bar.
[QUOTE=Stevew;3152702]I've never seen a girl worth paying less than $500. Girl that only gets $200 isn't worth the $200. You can get low quality free at almost any bar.[/QUOTE]SV,
I have never donated more than $$ to a lady in LV. I can afford to pay more, but just chose not to. It does take a mindset. I am fine with going back to my room alone rather than overpaying.
Check my reviews, you will see I have seen some real rock stars. I'll go one further, I have been able to find some good sex for as low as $. Not rock stars, by any mean, but not bad, either. It requires patience and not putting up with the bullshit. And I am not alone. RTFF and you will see, there are plenty of guys in this hobby that refuse to pay these exorbitant golden pussy prices.
I have had some interesting conversations with some higher priced hookers, actually, them arguing with me insisting all $$ chicks are crack w****s and I won't have a good time. My argument is that I have had very good experiences. Guess what? EVERY ONE OF THEM then comes down in price, copping an attitude that they will do it just this once. Bullshit. I have never taken the offer, instead telling them that I would not ask them to lower themselves for me and wishing them luck. Hey, they lost a sale. All I lost was a few minutes of my time.
I refuse to play that bullshit game.
C3.
[QUOTE=Camera3;3153038]SV,
I have never donated more than $$ to a lady in LV. I can afford to pay more, but just chose not to. It does take a mindset. I am fine with going back to my room alone rather than overpaying.
Check my reviews, you will see I have seen some real rock stars. I'll go one further, I have been able to find some good sex for as low as $. Not rock stars, by any mean, but not bad, either. It requires patience and not putting up with the bullshit. And I am not alone. RTFF and you will see, there are plenty of guys in this hobby that refuse to pay these exorbitant golden pussy prices.
I have had some interesting conversations with some higher priced hookers, actually, them arguing with me insisting all $$ chicks are crack w****s and I won't have a good time. My argument is that I have had very good experiences. Guess what? EVERY ONE OF THEM then comes down in price, copping an attitude that they will do it just this once. Bullshit. I have never taken the offer, instead telling them that I would not ask them to lower themselves for me and wishing them luck. Hey, they lost a sale. All I lost was a few minutes of my time.
I refuse to play that bullshit game.
C3.[/QUOTE]A pretty young thing copping an attitude, drop them like a lead balloon. They don't get it, they can do 2 guys in 3 hours lets say at $200 each than waiting for a sucker at $500. For 8 hours.
Great things come out of patience.
I agree with your statement. Why pay more if you do not have too?
I got to LV,2 to 5 times a year for work. I lock most my cash in my room safe and tuck more in hidden compartment of my wallet. When I spot a casino girl of interest and the talk starts, I tell them too bad I didn't meet you before I hit a bad streak on the tables, don't have much cash left. Ask them for the cell and I will call them the next night once I am able to go to the ATM, saying I already maxxed out the ATM for that night.
90% of them will give me the number.
At that point I will say something like damn, I really would love to see you, maybe I have more than I thought. Let me look. I discreetly pull out my wallet and look in it and say, I only have (whatever I count, say like $147, always some oddball amount). At that point, I have NEVER been turned down and proceed with the deed. Most will agree to at least a BJ and that's all I am really after anyway.
And no, these are not skanks, crack ho's etc. They are the ones that want 500,600.
[QUOTE=Camera3;3153038]SV,
I have never donated more than $$ to a lady in LV. I can afford to pay more, but just chose not to. It does take a mindset. I am fine with going back to my room alone rather than overpaying.
Check my reviews, you will see I have seen some real rock stars. I'll go one further, I have been able to find some good sex for as low as $. Not rock stars, by any mean, but not bad, either. It requires patience and not putting up with the bullshit. And I am not alone. RTFF and you will see, there are plenty of guys in this hobby that refuse to pay these exorbitant golden pussy prices.
I have had some interesting conversations with some higher priced hookers, actually, them arguing with me insisting all $$ chicks are crack w****s and I won't have a good time. My argument is that I have had very good experiences. Guess what? EVERY ONE OF THEM then comes down in price, copping an attitude that they will do it just this once. Bullshit. I have never taken the offer, instead telling them that I would not ask them to lower themselves for me and wishing them luck. Hey, they lost a sale. All I lost was a few minutes of my time.
I refuse to play that bullshit game.
C3.[/QUOTE]
People can get lucky. They can find the elusive white whale. I certainly have.
But let's be honest, there just aren't that many truly hot CG's with a good attitude who will fuck for $$ or less. Why would they, they can do way better stripping or escorting. Value is relative and everyone should spend what they want to spend but let's be realistic.
As far as GPS, that's the nature of the town. Guys running around with pockets full of cash who are boozed up and have probably never even considered getting a hooker before. They'll make bad decisions and the women will take advantage. Mongers won't and if you're on this board you're a monger.
Damn! I will definitely add that strategy to the rotation.
Thanks,
C3.
[QUOTE=LurkinGround;3172539]I agree with your statement. Why pay more if you do not have too?
I got to LV,2 to 5 times a year for work. I lock most my cash in my room safe and tuck more in hidden compartment of my wallet. When I spot a casino girl of interest and the talk starts, I tell them too bad I didn't meet you before I hit a bad streak on the tables, don't have much cash left. Ask them for the cell and I will call them the next night once I am able to go to the ATM, saying I already maxxed out the ATM for that night.
90% of them will give me the number.
At that point I will say something like damn, I really would love to see you, maybe I have more than I thought. Let me look. I discreetly pull out my wallet and look in it and say, I only have (whatever I count, say like $147, always some oddball amount). At that point, I have NEVER been turned down and proceed with the deed. Most will agree to at least a BJ and that's all I am really after anyway.
And no, these are not skanks, crack ho's etc. They are the ones that want 500,600.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=GentleJester;3172713]People can get lucky. They can find the elusive white whale. I certainly have.
But let's be honest, there just aren't that many truly hot CG's with a good attitude who will fuck for $$ or less. Why would they, they can do way better stripping or escorting. Value is relative and everyone should spend what they want to spend but let's be realistic.
As far as GPS, that's the nature of the town. Guys running around with pockets full of cash who are boozed up and have probably never even considered getting a hooker before. They'll make bad decisions and the women will take advantage. Mongers won't and if you're on this board you're a monger.[/QUOTE]I believe that GPS only goes so far. The girl is there to make some cash. I have been to LV probably 40-50 times in the past dozen years and have always had good luck out there. I have watched the game from afar, a girl spending half an hour chatting a guy up only to walk away with nothing to show for it. Then they are on to the next guy with the same result.
I sit at bars and watch, watch from a machine or a table and more times than not, the girl walks away with nothing but maybe a free drink. That being said, I am respectable, serious and ready to take them up to my room right then for 15-20 minutes of fun. I haven't been turned down yet.
EXCEPT at a massage parlor. Where girl didn't budge on price for FS. But that is a subject for another thread.
To respond to a few recent posts.
In my dreams, I'm in vegas about every other month, sometimes more often, have been for 20 years. I pick up CGs every night I'm there for $$, never paid more. This will work at any hotel, done it at Cosmo, MB, Caesars, PH, Bellagio, etc. In the past several months myself.
Just walk up to them or make yourself their target by checking them out, either way, you'll end up chatting. They will inevitably ask what you are looking for, I always respond with "looking for someone to hang out in my room with me for a bit as I'm lonely". They will always say "well that's what I'm here for honey", or something like that.
Important: Next I ask "what would that cost me". I always get either $300 or $400 as a response. I respond saying "dang, I've only got $200 and my ATM card isn't working so I guess I'll keep looking". 60% of the time, I hear "that will work". Then I say what I expect for that $200 (BJ, FS w / Multiple Positions, one pop) with NO upsale (I always am very clear about that). 50%+ of the time, we are then headed up. Sometimes I get "that will cost more than $200". I say "well, I'll keep looking them as that's all I have". Sometimes they flip and say "well, lets go do it but only this once at that price", other times they walk away. Regardless, I'm having the same conversation 5 minutes later with another gal. Within 30 min, I've found one and we are headed up.
I will say this works less at 10 pm to midnight than it does at 3 am - 6 am. 4-6 am is prime for this as they don't want to go home empty. I'm amazed at how many CGs tell me as they are leaving or getting dressed, this is the first money they have made all night as its dead this week. No idea if its true but not sure why they would even bring it up if it wasn't.
Week nights are better than weekends for this game as well. I fly in from East coast time so when I travel there I stay on East coast time. I go to bed around 7-8 pm and wake up at 3 am, just when the game is getting good. I can't even remember a night when this didn't work. Flamingo priced places work well, better than Bellagio prices places but both can work. Avoid hotels that have a big conference going on at them, this is a supply and demand game. You want to be one of few suppliers in a game regardless of how small the demand maybe. At a big conference the supply of Johns is high, CGs maybe up too but the proportion isn't in your favor. This works for black, white, latina CGs, they all work out. The younger the better your odds are for some reason. Don't be looking for 9's & 10's, hunt out the 7's & 8's. The 9's & 10's have GPS. However at 6 am, I've done some 10's with this game.
BTW, while I'm there I also schedule a well reviewed hottie of some sorts that does it all w / multiple pops, FS, FIV, DATY, etc. During the day each day around 4 pm to do outcall to my room or incall to their apartment. Find them here, mojo, or the other site. Very different experience than the CG game but I like aspects of both so why not. The hunt of the CG is what I like as much as the act its self.
Few rules to never break:
- Never go up without negotiating the price and what you will get for it. If you do, you are screwed. (be very clear about what you expect).
- Never have more than $$ in your pockets, no way they can steal it or talk you into more then.
- Keep your watch, phone charging cables, laptop, ipad, etc. In your safe locked up.
- Be willing to walk away if things aren't going just the way you want them to.
- Scope out the girl for a bit before engaging with her, make sure she is a CG. Just watch her for 5-10 min, you'll know.
- Have your own condoms in your room hidden. They will play a game where oops, I'm out of condoms. 1. they want you to go down to store and get some so they can test if your ATM card is really not working 2. So they can talk you into stopping by the ATM for more cash, or 3. So they can just do a hand job or something and skip the sex. Always be ready to say, oh no problem, I have some right here.
- Never, I mean Never, go up with two girls. A lot of Black CG travel in pairs, don't do it. One will fuck you while the other tries to steal your shit. They are good at it, so don't do it.
- Don't get drunk, this game goes all to hell at that point as you have lost control, which is the upper hand. A drink or two is fine, more than that and you are going to be the sucker.
Just my experiences from at least 100 visits. My game may not be for everyone but I know it works.
PK.
Wow you have quite the detailed dreams, thank you for the post. You are a far far more experience dreamer but I'd like to say that maybe it's a function of luck but so far there has not been a need to really spell out services to the letter in my dreams. I mean the phrase that gets used was like hey anything goes and that seemed more than enough to imply the reality which was start with CBJ and progress to cfs but one time pop only anyway you get there. So I think you advice is excellent if it can be achieved and I think price point is very important else immed. Upsell, but maybe just getting lucky many will not want to get into that kinda detail from your post it sounds like you CAN get that kinda detail so okay maybe I've learned something.
Having said having rtff here really helped a lot! For example I was unaware of the 2 girl problem being such a serious red flag. Also see my prev. Detailed post on 'money management' but agree that limiting what is on you and having rest already in safe or immediately in safe is a must. Tho must also acknowledge 'regular' cgs must know they have been identified on cameras for much of night tho and have built in reasons not to roll johns to point they blow the whistle. Hope I'm not being naïve. I think we all tend to agree that often a ripoff or out and out crime is one of opportunity. For example if john passes out cold many opportunities there. From my reading various threads diligence is important but it does not sound like there is a ton of trick rolling in a casino say no worse than say flamingo which is about a seedy as I'd suggest to anyone-no offense to anyone.
A key thing I've found is if anything is getting argumentative in any way or just does not feel right MOVE ON right away. As someone pointed out, if it's problems ex-ante to deal WTF you think it's going to be like later!
Thanks to you and the more seasoned vets recent posts it all helps a lot!
[QUOTE=PlasterKaster;3173708]To respond to a few recent posts.
In my dreams, I'm in vegas about every other month, sometimes more often, have been for 20 years. I pick up CGs every night I'm there for $$, never paid more. This will work at any hotel, done it at Cosmo, MB, Caesars, PH, Bellagio, etc. In the past several months myself.
Just walk up to them or make yourself their target by checking them out, either way, you'll end up chatting. They will inevitably ask what you are looking for, I always respond with "looking for someone to hang out in my room with me for a bit as I'm lonely". They will always say "well that's what I'm here for honey", or something like that.
Important: Next I ask "what would that cost me". I always get either $300 or $400 as a response. I respond saying "dang, I've only got $200 and my ATM card isn't working so I guess I'll keep looking". 60% of the time, I hear "that will work". Then I say what I expect for that $200 (BJ, FS w / Multiple Positions, one pop) with NO upsale (I always am very clear about that). 50%+ of the time, we are then headed up. Sometimes I get "that will cost more than $200". I say "well, I'll keep looking them as that's all I have". Sometimes they flip and say "well, lets go do it but only this once at that price", other times they walk away. Regardless, I'm having the same conversation 5 minutes later with another gal. Within 30 min, I've found one and we are headed up.
I will say this works less at 10 pm to midnight than it does at 3 am - 6 am. 4-6 am is prime for this as they don't want to go home empty. I'm amazed at how many CGs tell me as they are leaving or getting dressed, this is the first money they have made all night as its dead this week. No idea if its true but not sure why they would even bring it up if it wasn't.
Week nights are better than weekends for this game as well. I fly in from East coast time so when I travel there I stay on East coast time. I go to bed around 7-8 pm and wake up at 3 am, just when the game is getting good. I can't even remember a night when this didn't work. Flamingo priced places work well, better than Bellagio prices places but both can work. Avoid hotels that have a big conference going on at them, this is a supply and demand game. You want to be one of few suppliers in a game regardless of how small the demand maybe. At a big conference the supply of Johns is high, CGs maybe up too but the proportion isn't in your favor. This works for black, white, latina CGs, they all work out. The younger the better your odds are for some reason. Don't be looking for 9's & 10's, hunt out the 7's & 8's. The 9's & 10's have GPS. However at 6 am, I've done some 10's with this game.
BTW, while I'm there I also schedule a well reviewed hottie of some sorts that does it all w / multiple pops, FS, FIV, DATY, etc. During the day each day around 4 pm to do outcall to my room or incall to their apartment. Find them here, mojo, or the other site. Very different experience than the CG game but I like aspects of both so why not. The hunt of the CG is what I like as much as the act its self.
Few rules to never break:
- Never go up without negotiating the price and what you will get for it. If you do, you are screwed. (be very clear about what you expect).
- Never have more than $$ in your pockets, no way they can steal it or talk you into more then.
- Keep your watch, phone charging cables, laptop, ipad, etc. In your safe locked up.
- Be willing to walk away if things aren't going just the way you want them to.
- Scope out the girl for a bit before engaging with her, make sure she is a CG. Just watch her for 5-10 min, you'll know.
- Have your own condoms in your room hidden. They will play a game where oops, I'm out of condoms. 1. they want you to go down to store and get some so they can test if your ATM card is really not working 2. So they can talk you into stopping by the ATM for more cash, or 3. So they can just do a hand job or something and skip the sex. Always be ready to say, oh no problem, I have some right here.
- Never, I mean Never, go up with two girls. A lot of Black CG travel in pairs, don't do it. One will fuck you while the other tries to steal your shit. They are good at it, so don't do it.
- Don't get drunk, this game goes all to hell at that point as you have lost control, which is the upper hand. A drink or two is fine, more than that and you are going to be the sucker.
Just my experiences from at least 100 visits. My game may not be for everyone but I know it works.
PK.[/QUOTE]
But I wanted to highlight this one point. I wrote about this on this board years ago, and have found it to be consistent. And, it additionally it insures that when I awake at 3 am to head out on the town, I am the sober one on the casino floor. It improves my perspective, and judgment.
[QUOTE=PlasterKaster;3173708]
I will say this works less at 10 pm to midnight than it does at 3 am - 6 am. 4-6 am is prime for this as they don't want to go home empty. I'm amazed at how many CGs tell me as they are leaving or getting dressed, this is the first money they have made all night as its dead this week. No idea if its true but not sure why they would even bring it up if it wasn't.
Week nights are better than weekends for this game as well. I fly in from East coast time so when I travel there I stay on East coast time. I go to bed around 7-8 pm and wake up at 3 am, just when the game is getting good. I can't even remember a night when this didn't work. PK.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=RingTune;3176381]But I wanted to highlight this one point. I wrote about this on this board years ago, and have found it to be consistent. And, it additionally it insures that when I awake at 3 am to head out on the town, I am the sober one on the casino floor. It improves my perspective, and judgment.[/QUOTE]I sleep from 6 am-noon. I drink beer and lots of water as I am gambling most of the time and prefer not to lose all my $ before the girls come out. I shift to water only around 1 or 2 am. Remaining sober in Vegas is the key to success in all areas. Occasionally I'll even hook up with a civi. I try to get a seat at the tables so I can watch the bars. I know this has been covered, but NEVER go to your room with 2 girls. I'll add, don't get in a car with any girl. I've been picked up, while walking down the street and in front of casinos by hot women that want to "give me a ride". Never works out, almost always cost you money to get out. Took me twice to learn that mistake. Pick pocketed once and dropped in a parking lot, off the strip the second time.
Coming out tomorrow for a couple days, will report back on my adventures.
[QUOTE=Shzitzx;3176590]I sleep from 6 am-noon. I drink beer and lots of water as I am gambling most of the time and prefer not to lose all my $ before the girls come out. I shift to water only around 1 or 2 am. Remaining sober in Vegas is the key to success in all areas. Occasionally I'll even hook up with a civi. I try to get a seat at the tables so I can watch the bars. I know this has been covered, but NEVER go to your room with 2 girls. I'll add, don't get in a car with any girl. I've been picked up, while walking down the street and in front of casinos by hot women that want to "give me a ride". Never works out, almost always cost you money to get out. Took me twice to learn that mistake. Pick pocketed once and dropped in a parking lot, off the strip the second time.
Coming out tomorrow for a couple days, will report back on my adventures.[/QUOTE]Godspeed sir.
[QUOTE=PlasterKaster;3173708]To respond to a few recent posts.
In my dreams, I'm in vegas about every other month, sometimes more often, have been for 20 years. I pick up CGs every night I'm there for $$, never paid more. This will work at any hotel, done it at Cosmo, MB, Caesars, PH, Bellagio, etc. In the past several months myself.
Just walk up to them or make yourself their target by checking them out, either way, you'll end up chatting. They will inevitably ask what you are looking for, I always respond with "looking for someone to hang out in my room with me for a bit as I'm lonely". They will always say "well that's what I'm here for honey", or something like that.
Important: Next I ask "what would that cost me". I always get either $300 or $400 as a response. I respond saying "dang, I've only got $200 and my ATM card isn't working so I guess I'll keep looking". 60% of the time, I hear "that will work". Then I say what I expect for that $200 (BJ, FS w / Multiple Positions, one pop) with NO upsale (I always am very clear about that). 50%+ of the time, we are then headed up. Sometimes I get "that will cost more than $200". I say "well, I'll keep looking them as that's all I have". Sometimes they flip and say "well, lets go do it but only this once at that price", other times they walk away. Regardless, I'm having the same conversation 5 minutes later with another gal. Within 30 min, I've found one and we are headed up.
I will say this works less at 10 pm to midnight than it does at 3 am - 6 am. 4-6 am is prime for this as they don't want to go home empty. I'm amazed at how many CGs tell me as they are leaving or getting dressed, this is the first money they have made all night as its dead this week. No idea if its true but not sure why they would even bring it up if it wasn't.
Week nights are better than weekends for this game as well. I fly in from East coast time so when I travel there I stay on East coast time. I go to bed around 7-8 pm and wake up at 3 am, just when the game is getting good. I can't even remember a night when this didn't work. Flamingo priced places work well, better than Bellagio prices places but both can work. Avoid hotels that have a big conference going on at them, this is a supply and demand game. You want to be one of few suppliers in a game regardless of how small the demand maybe. At a big conference the supply of Johns is high, CGs maybe up too but the proportion isn't in your favor. This works for black, white, latina CGs, they all work out. The younger the better your odds are for some reason. Don't be looking for 9's & 10's, hunt out the 7's & 8's. The 9's & 10's have GPS. However at 6 am, I've done some 10's with this game.
BTW, while I'm there I also schedule a well reviewed hottie of some sorts that does it all w / multiple pops, FS, FIV, DATY, etc. During the day each day around 4 pm to do outcall to my room or incall to their apartment. Find them here, mojo, or the other site. Very different experience than the CG game but I like aspects of both so why not. The hunt of the CG is what I like as much as the act its self.
Few rules to never break:
- Never go up without negotiating the price and what you will get for it. If you do, you are screwed. (be very clear about what you expect).
- Never have more than $$ in your pockets, no way they can steal it or talk you into more then.
- Keep your watch, phone charging cables, laptop, ipad, etc. In your safe locked up.
- Be willing to walk away if things aren't going just the way you want them to.
- Scope out the girl for a bit before engaging with her, make sure she is a CG. Just watch her for 5-10 min, you'll know.
- Have your own condoms in your room hidden. They will play a game where oops, I'm out of condoms. 1. they want you to go down to store and get some so they can test if your ATM card is really not working 2. So they can talk you into stopping by the ATM for more cash, or 3. So they can just do a hand job or something and skip the sex. Always be ready to say, oh no problem, I have some right here.
- Never, I mean Never, go up with two girls. A lot of Black CG travel in pairs, don't do it. One will fuck you while the other tries to steal your shit. They are good at it, so don't do it.
- Don't get drunk, this game goes all to hell at that point as you have lost control, which is the upper hand. A drink or two is fine, more than that and you are going to be the sucker.
Just my experiences from at least 100 visits. My game may not be for everyone but I know it works.
PK.[/QUOTE]+1000, very well said. Excellent rules and intell. In my experiences I never drink and always have at least 4 condoms in the room at all times, If I have some left over I always give them a care package. And if they change their attitude when they walk in the room then I tell them never mind, and tell them to leave.
Again, superb information.