I'm discussing an arrangement with a pot SB and she says she does not take cash only green dot money packs. I've never heard of such a thing. Who does not like cash? Is this a scam?
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I'm discussing an arrangement with a pot SB and she says she does not take cash only green dot money packs. I've never heard of such a thing. Who does not like cash? Is this a scam?
SubCmdr Out-
There is a God and he likes me!
After a couple of abortive M&Gs, I finally arranged to meet an 18 year old black spinner after her work.
As her car was broken, she was going to meet me at the Scheetz close by. But then she decided that was too far and gave me the address of the Child Care place she worked! At this point I knew it was not a sting.
I parked at the back of the lot and at 6pm. Out came a cute spinner with a fantastic C cup rack!
Gets in. We chat and laugh. She is VERY relaxed, cute. Certainly only 18! I ask if she want to go get some food. Or just get a room, and she opts for the room. Get a room at the nicer hotel. I was not going to start out in one of those sleezey motels!
We chatted on the bed for about 5 mins before starting to kiss and cuddle, her motor started to hum and I had her top off and was latched onto her nipples with her squirming away in another 5, and and her naked with my fingers doing a dance all over her VERY wet pussy and clit in another 5.
She was moaning and bucking. I slit into mish, and rubbed myself all up and down her pussy, she was dripping. As I started to go in, she suddenly opened her eyes wide, and pleaded with me "not this time". I could feel her virginity against my head. Oh man! I came a little, and at least her pussy has had some cum in it now LOL.
I slid to the side and finished her off with my fingers. She had a blistering orgasm! After a bit she latched onto me and gave what I can only describe as the best BBBJTCWS that I have ever had.
It was RAW teenage hornyness! She knew what she wanted and she got it.
Afterwards we went for dinner, and I dropped her off at her parents house!
Cost was $60 for the room, $160 for her, and 30 for dinner.
I am slammed the next few weeks, but I think an overnight trip is certainly called for a. S. A. P!
She is honest and knows what she wants. A friend of hers has been an SB and turned her onto it for extra cash. However, there is no way she is doing for the $, she is after the sex and is turned on to older men. She is bright, at VCU (freshman) and intelligent.
Oh. And this was from SA!
Happy Fishing.
GW
Gentlemen and gentlewoman,
Before I begin to relate my afternoon with Polo, I want to congratulate Woody on his most excellent adventure. Way to go, my brother! Be sure to take good care of her, and treat her with gentleness and respect, and the efforts, I am certain, will bring huge dividends. Another member of this fraternity and I are constantly marveling at the sexual appetites and energies of these little babies, praise the Lord! You seem to have found a true gem. Lay in a supply of vitamin V and enjoy!
Now, on to my riding lesson, of which I am not entirely sure how to think. We met, as planned, at the Pleasure Dome, and Polo greeted me with what can only be described as a devilish grin.
Polo: "I have an interesting idea for today"
Me:"Ok."
I notice she is not carrying her bag, so I deduce it is not toys. After the appropriate amount of foreplay (actually, is there such a thing as an "appropriate" amount) , she reaches into the pocket of her coat, which is lying on the floor next to the couch, and pulls out two scarves.
Polo: "I'm going to teach you how to spank me."
Me: "Ok."
At this point we are both naked, and Scottie is focused on the prize with rigid attention. I have to admit that I too am eager to mount up and ride, and so for the two of us the prospect of sudden schoolwork is not so attractive, but I know that I am, in fact, her Boy Toy, so do I really have the option to refuse? In any event, Polo gets her way (don't they always?) , and I watch while she pulls a pillow off the bed and lies face down so her hips are on the pillow.
Polo: "Tie my hands together, but not too tight"
Me: "Ok."
She proceeds to squirm herself into the pillow a bit, and extends her arms out in front of her on the bed.
Polo: "Now spank my ass, and then rub it."
Me: "Ok."
Apparently I was not vigorous enough the first couple of whacks, but I soon got the right amount of force going, both lefty and righty, with the correct amount of rubbing afterwards, which she told me later was important. She was encouraging me on vocally as well as visually, and there was a wet spot growing on the pillow underneath her hips. Truthfully, I had no idea about this sort of thing. Intermittently, she would tell me to rub her pussy as well, something I am more familiar and comfortable with, quite frankly. In any event, she suddenly decided enough was enough.
Polo: "I want you inside me when I cum."
Me: "Ok."
So a newly-energized Scotty threw himself into the breach like a true champ, and had barely settled in when we heard the breathy grunts which I have previously described that indicate that Polo has cum.
The riding lesson proceeded more normally from there, and we both departed with promises to get together next week for more instruction. I am sexually crazed for her, frankly, and today was hot in a novel kind of way, but I'm not really into the spanking thing. It's not that Scottie was dozing, but he was not at his most proud. I am happy to do this for Polo, since she so clearly digs it, but I'm not putting on a leather mask, if you know what I mean, and I'm for damn sure not going to surrender my own cheeks for paddling. I went to Catholic school, and had more than enough of that, thank you very much. All it makes me think about is a mannish nun, with a couple of unfortunate warts, holding back her rosary with one hand so she could get a really good back swing with the other. Erotic? NOT!
Take care, my friends, and have a wonderful weekend. I am off tomorrow through Monday, and am looking forward to making a roasted lamb shank and all the fixin's on Sunday.
Don't forget to write,
Scott
[QUOTE=SubCmdr; 1418812]I'm discussing an arrangement with a pot SB and she says she does not take cash only green dot money packs. I've never heard of such a thing. Who does not like cash? Is this a scam?
SubCmdr Out-[/QUOTE]The ole Green Dot card approach. This can be 100% legit, or 100% scam.
The scam version: Baby has you buy the GD card then ask you over the phone for the verification # on the back of the card, just to know you are legit. Well, with that # they can transfer or redeem the entire proceeds on the card. The bank on the fact that you think this is somehow just a verification # and not the card. It works for lots of these theives, unfortunately.
The legit version: Some pros use the GD approach, that somehow it is more safe than cash from the getting busted standpoint. They do not ask for the # over the phone.
So I might suggest that you buy a GD card for kicks, load it with some nominal amount of cash, then if the SB / thief asks you for the # in advance, I would jumble the numbers of a legit set of #'s on the card, and the joke will be on her. Hehe. And of course you can then go out and redeem the GD card on dinner or whatever you wish for yourself. Or save it and give to next legit and deserving SB as a gift.
SB1. I touch base with a 39 year old MILF off of SA. She is from Germany, in the USA for five years and still has just a slight accent. Average body, nice padding where you need it. Meet for coffee. She's fuckable, has pretty eyes and long black hair. I pass her chemistry test. We compare our schedules and make plans. I get the party pad and she's bringing the party favors. And the good part is that I get to unwrap them.
About a week later she shows up at the party pad as scheduled and is dressed casually but has the hair done, the make up nice and has that wonderful new pussy smell about her. She presents the party favors and I unwrap them with great anticipation. Standing there before me is the lovely lady in matching bra and panties. Not bad. Those breasts are like boom; out there. Too bad I'm not a breast man. Really don't have much use for them. The fun part of a woman is from the neck up and the waist down. The periscope goes up. Missile tube one is loaded. And the moisture seeking missile system is locked on target.
Kissing begins, the rest of the clothes come off. She goes down and does not come up for air. The Cmdr has ordered weapons release! I launch into her mouth and she doesn't miss a beat or a drop. It all goes down the hatch. We switch places and the order is given to submerge the ship. Dive, dive, dive. She hits her high note and we both take a rest.
After a short nap together it is on to round two. She dives again; the periscope is up. The Cmdr sets the moisture seeking missile for deep penetration. It is a direct hit from behind. I'm grabbing the hips and pounding away. I intensify the action by grabbing that shoulder length black hair and slapping that ass. She's grabbing the sheets, toes are curling, were both speaking in tongues and having a religious experience. Flip her over and dive in again and we are rocking the boat until weapons release. WOW!
The Cmdr needs a rest. Some cuddling, idle chit chat, longer nap and then I wake up with her in my arms. More kissing and I'm like whoa. Don't think I'm up for round three. She say 'Yes, you are. I'll wake him up. ' She sets the bow planes for dive and and wake up I did. Start to shift for a position change and she says 'no, just lie there'. So, in the face of this direct assault, the Cmdr has no choice to but authorize another weapons release. She surfaces with a smile on her face and my cum running out the sides of her mouth and down her chin. She playfully directs it all back into her mouth and thinking I'm in a porno movie, but this is live and I simply can't believe it. No only that, but I haven't busted three time in a session in years. Damn, strange pussy is the BOMB!
Wow! An amazing performance by old girl. We clean up and go grab a bite to eat. Get back to the room and I am worn out, sexually spent. We hang out and chat a while longer and she decides to head out. I slip the sugar in her back pocket on the goodbye hug. And we make plans to do it again. I get a text saying expressing what a good time she had and wants to get together again.
SubCmdr out
Thank you to all my brothers on this site that responded to my request (and I guess I need to say sisters also since Mandy has joined us). It's good to know that some of you have been there and done that also. I guess after thinking this over for a few days, I should comprise a list of lessons learned:
1. When the old GPS discussion first rears its ugly head, run (don't walk) to the nearest exit, stop responding to texts, cut her off right then and there. Negotiation is not a good idea at this point because she has already shown her hand and you will lose in the long run.
2. Never rent a room in advance unless you have already SUCCESSFULLY been to the FC.
3. Be careful of the young ones (late teens and early twenties). They may be hot as hell, but with all of their opportunities for sex on campus and in their real life, money is even more of a driving factor to play this game.
4. Once you get through the niceties of the M&G, be totally up front with your expectations so there is no doubt where the night is going. I thought I was, but she alleges that she still thought that I understood that our arrangement for the lower dollar amount was only acceptable to her because no sex would be involved.
I'm much better now. Thanks for your kind responses of understanding.
[QUOTE=Varoom; 1419049]The ole Green Dot card approach. This can be 100% legit, or 100% scam.
The scam version: Baby has you buy the GD card then ask you over the phone for the verification # on the back of the card, just to know you are legit. Well, with that # they can transfer or redeem the entire proceeds on the card. The bank on the fact that you think this is somehow just a verification # and not the card. It works for lots of these theives, unfortunately.
The legit version: Some pros use the GD approach, that somehow it is more safe than cash from the getting busted standpoint. They do not ask for the # over the phone.
So I might suggest that you buy a GD card for kicks, load it with some nominal amount of cash, then if the SB / thief asks you for the # in advance, I would jumble the numbers of a legit set of #'s on the card, and the joke will be on her. Hehe. And of course you can then go out and redeem the GD card on dinner or whatever you wish for yourself. Or save it and give to next legit and deserving SB as a gift.[/QUOTE]I am constantly amazed by and grateful for the vast amount of collected wisdom that resides among the brotherhood. I have not yet encountered the Green Dot request, but certainly will keep this in mind if ever I do so. Thanks, Vroom!
Scott
Great job, Sub! Sounds like your skirmish ended well for both sides. Great metaphor.
Keep up the good work, my man.
Scott
Gentleman,
Now, I know I have this, and it's not often that I really plot to use it to my advantage. But, today I have decided to. I'm headed to see THE Doctor and am breaking out of my fairly conservative normal demeanor. And by that, I mean how I dress. If you were to pass me on the street, you'd have no idea that I'm the fun "bad" girl you've always wished for. But, today you would. And as I stepped up the stairs to board the train into the city and revealed a peek of the lacy tops of my stalkings and garter through the slit of my coat, well the guy beside me did and just smiled.
Outwardly, I have on a cute little sweater dress, but the doctor will enjoy the lingerie that's under my dress. It's cold today, so I threw on a pair of cute leg warmers over the stalkings and of course I have a killer pair of heels in my suitcase that I'll put on just before arriving.
I decided to exert my Girl Power today and carefully picked my clothing just in case he had any notion of making this my last trip to see him. I think he'll most certainly be kicking himself for kind of breaking up with me two months ago!
Wish me luck! And yes I just admitted to all of you exactly how deliberate a babies plotting can be. Use your new knowledge for good and shhh, you didn't hear any of this from me.
Hope you all have a fun filled sugar weekend!
Mandy
[QUOTE=SbabyBlog; 1419306]Gentleman,
Now, I know I have this, and it's not often that I really plot to use it to my advantage. But, today I have decided to. I'm headed to see THE Doctor and am breaking out of my fairly conservative normal demeanor. And by that, I mean how I dress. If you were to pass me on the street, you'd have no idea that I'm the fun "bad" girl you've always wished for. But, today you would...[/QUOTE]I hope your Doctor knows he is one lucky guy indeed to have you showing up dressed like that. Hopefully the two of you will have a fun time together and he will figure out he's got a good thing with you.
Sounds like you've got a potential keeper there, sub. Even if not, sounds like you had an incredibly enjoyable adventure.
Hi guys,
I hope you are all having a wonderful weekend. I'm back from my trip over to see The Doctor and it was absolutely perfect! I should have given him a little more credit though. Before he even had me completely undressed he goes,"This is to make me realize how stupid I was for trying to send you away isn't it?" YUP! Time to do homework but I'll get a posting with more details up on my blog within in the next couple days.
There will be certainly more trips to The Doctor to write about.
Night!
Mandy
Like the idea of a M&G present. Any thoughts on what it should be?
Flash message received in the SBCC (Sugar Baby Command Center). SB1 reports that she is not happy with the sugar she received. She was hoping for more. The Cmdr wants to know how much more? SB1 does not know but indicates that she just wanted me to be aware that she was not happy. Fair enough. Plans are made to rendezvous at the Party Pad in a week.
Flash message received in the SBCC. SB1 has had a bad day. Wants to know if we can meet for coffee so we can talk. Not a problem. The Cmdr extends an invitation to the party pad. SB1 declines. Meeting occurs. Coffee is consumed. Inane conversation is had. Party Pad rendezvous is confirmed for next week. SB1 leaves to have some work done on her car.
Flash message received in the SBCC. SB1 has an auto repair bill that will leave her with low funds. Requests sugar assistance. The Cmdr once again requests that SB1 meet in at the Party Pad. SB1 rejects the request. Demands immediate sugar assistance. The Cmdr advises SB1 that would be a violation of General Orders of SB Management. General Order #1 states: Sugar shall only be dispersed after through inspection of the party favors and successful delivery of the moisture seeking weapon system on target. Sonar reports contact with SB1 has been lost.
Chief of the boat. Rig for silent running. The Cmdr is on the hunt once again.
[QUOTE=Bondo500;1421018]Like the idea of a M&G present. Any thoughts on what it should be?[/QUOTE]Probably my favorite suggestion is a small box of Godiva chocolates. ITunes or Starbucks gift cards are good as well.
Mandy
Well, after exploring the SB world for a few weeks, I think it's time to cut SB1 loose. I've enjoyed my time with her; she's smart, funny, and has her own place. But she also smokes like a chimney (not that I care, but going home smelling like an ashtray creates obvious problems), is unemployed, and has seriously screwed up family and friends. We were to get together today (on my day off), and she just texted to tell me she was in a fight with her "friend's ex-wife" and "lost a bit of hair."
I can't handle the drama. If there's one thing I've learned from you fellows, it's to steer clear of the disasters. This girl isn't quite a disaster, but I don't want to get to know her so well that she eventually drags me down with her. Obviously, I hope for the best for her, but I don't want to wait around and see what happens.
Luckily, there's another potential SB still texting me to meet. I've committed to lunch today with SB1, and after that, I think I'll just let things fizzle out. No need for an ugly confrontation.
As always, this has been a learning experience. Just wanted to share for those who, like me, observe mostly from the sidelines. I'm sure you senior members have been here a few times.
Regards,
Joe
Joe,
You are definitely playing it smart. I'm assuming a lot of us have been in the position of seeing someone maybe just because they were available, cheap, or whatever and lived to regret it. What few successes I've had in this little pastime of ours have been with ladies who were at one time in decent shape but due to circumstances, usually divorce or loss of employment, have ventured into the SB world. Your SB1 appears to be a Nando Class 1, which we all should strive to avoid. It just isn't worth it as I've learned the hard way. I find if one is a little closer in socio-economic to the SB, or at least where they used to be, that things work out much better, even if the sugar is a little bit more.
Best of luck in your continued search and keep posting!
[QUOTE=SubCmdr; 1421031]Flash message received in the SBCC (Sugar Baby Command Center). SB1 reports that she is not happy with the sugar she received. She was hoping for more. The Cmdr wants to know how much more? SB1 does not know but indicates that she just wanted me to be aware that she was not happy. Fair enough. Plans are made to rendezvous at the Party Pad in a week.
Flash message received in the SBCC. SB1 has had a bad day. Wants to know if we can meet for coffee so we can talk. Not a problem. The Cmdr extends an invitation to the party pad. SB1 declines. Meeting occurs. Coffee is consumed. Inane conversation is had. Party Pad rendezvous is confirmed for next week. SB1 leaves to have some work done on her car.
Flash message received in the SBCC. SB1 has an auto repair bill that will leave her with low funds. Requests sugar assistance. The Cmdr once again requests that SB1 meet in at the Party Pad. SB1 rejects the request. Demands immediate sugar assistance. The Cmdr advises SB1 that would be a violation of General Orders of SB Management. General Order #1 states: Sugar shall only be dispersed after through inspection of the party favors and successful delivery of the moisture seeking weapon system on target. Sonar reports contact with SB1 has been lost.
Chief of the boat. Rig for silent running. The Cmdr is on the hunt once again.[/QUOTE]Commander,
Hilarious report! Kudos to you, although too bad about losing sonar contact with SB1. It's all for the best, I want to assure you. Scroll back through this thread and refamiliarize yourself with Nando's excellent levels of SBs. Level 1's are to be avoided at all costs.
Keep on silent running, if that is how you say that. I'm more familiar with fly fishing than nuclear submarines.
Scott
[QUOTE=JoesParty; 1421237] she just texted to tell me she was in a fight with her "friend's ex-wife" and "lost a bit of hair."[/QUOTE]Joe, your vision on this one is crystal clear. Who does this happen to except guests on Jerry Springer? Time to move on.
Scott
I really am beginning to wonder if the time / money / effort sunk into the whole SB scene has been a total waste. SB#2, who had sounded like she wanted another meeting to discuss more "intimate" relations between us, has gone silent. No warning, no nothing, just no replies, period. Worse, out of several messages sent in hopes of drawing a nibble, none have drawn any success since the one to her (barring the 'semi-pro' who offered to arrange a threesome).
Meanwhile, I've been approached by one local SB who can't seem to figure out that I'm not willing to provide the level of sugar she seems set on getting, and another who seems to think I've got the free time to jet down to Miami just to meet up with her.
I'd ask "WTF!", but at this point, I don't think I'd get an answer that made sense.
[minor venting complete, we now return to our regularly scheduled programming]
[QUOTE=Castlerae; 1421642]I really am beginning to wonder if the time / money / effort sunk into the whole SB scene has been a total waste. SB#2, who had sounded like she wanted another meeting to discuss more "intimate" relations between us, has gone silent. No warning, no nothing, just no replies, period. Worse, out of several messages sent in hopes of drawing a nibble, none have drawn any success since the one to her (barring the 'semi-pro' who offered to arrange a threesome).
Meanwhile, I've been approached by one local SB who can't seem to figure out that I'm not willing to provide the level of sugar she seems set on getting, and another who seems to think I've got the free time to jet down to Miami just to meet up with her.
I'd ask "WTF!", but at this point, I don't think I'd get an answer that made sense.
[minor venting complete, we now return to our regularly scheduled programming][/QUOTE]Castle,
How long have you had your profile up? It took me about three months of emails, contacts, M&Gs and so forth before I finally hit my stride. Take a look at your profile text, and try and read it as if you were an SB. Is it interesting, funny, witty, and distinctive? Remember, these babies get hundreds of contacts a week, so you need to make your first message to them interesting and distinctive, and then your profile text needs to continue to tell the tale that you are someone worth getting to know.
If I'm not overstepping, maybe ask Mandy to take a look at it and give you some pointers. She helped me that way, and her suggestions were spot on.
Have patience, my brother. Success doesn't happen overnight, and you will have a few false starts and dead ends along the way.
Keep on,
Scott
[QUOTE=F Scott;1422040]If I'm not overstepping, maybe ask Mandy to take a look at it and give you some pointers.[/QUOTE]I've worked with SD's and SB's on their profiles, initial communications etc. And actually, that offer stands for anyone reading this. I still have a profile on SA (although it's hidden at the moment). If you're on there, you can pm me your account number and I can look you up or you can just send me all of the text. Also, something else to think about but, if your'e comfortable with this I'm happy to send you my e-mail so I can give advice on pictures. So many guys blow it here.
Mandy
[QUOTE=F Scott; 1422040]Castle,
How long have you had your profile up? It took me about three months of emails, contacts, M&Gs and so forth before I finally hit my stride. Take a look at your profile text, and try and read it as if you were an SB. Is it interesting, funny, witty, and distinctive? Remember, these babies get hundreds of contacts a week, so you need to make your first message to them interesting and distinctive, and then your profile text needs to continue to tell the tale that you are someone worth getting to know.
If I'm not overstepping, maybe ask Mandy to take a look at it and give you some pointers. She helped me that way, and her suggestions were spot on.
Have patience, my brother. Success doesn't happen overnight, and you will have a few false starts and dead ends along the way.
Keep on,
Scott[/QUOTE]No offence Master Scott, but the thing that disturbed me most wasn't so much the lack of responses from SB's (I know the ratio is probably heavily in favour of the SB's and against the SD's) , but in the sudden reversalin communications. It's like she went from giving all the indications of strong interest in something more between us to total silence. I mean, is she playing me, has she found a better deal (though we'd only met once and never even got to the point of discussing the finer details of a possible arrangement) , or what? I don't know, and while I appreciate the offer from SBabyblog for advice, it's not something I'm going to dump in her lap in hopes of a magical solution.
I don't know, think I might give this crap another month, then pull the plug if the strike out string continues.
I just got off the phone with The Doctor. We chatted for a little bit and he shared a surprise vacation he's working on for us. Ok, I know it's not THAT much of a surprise if he told me. But I'm not that patient and coaxed it out of him.
Later in the conversation he said he wished I was with him now. And then asked what I was doing this weekend. We're now in the process of making plans to see each other AGAIN this weekend! We've NEVER seen each other two weekends in a row. In fact, we've NEVER seen each other two weekends within one month! Between his lecture / travel schedule and time with his daughter there has never been a lot of time for me, and I've been ok with that. But now, I'm am SO excited!
Keep your fingers crossed for me. There just might be two weekends in a row with The Doctor!
Mandy
Things are looking up, friends. Just a day after I decided that SB1 was in serious danger of sliding into Nanado1 territory, I managed to set a M&G with SB2. Well, I think it went about as well as it could have (without, of course, a visit to a private location for some indoor fun, though I don't expect that on the first interview). We laughed, we drank, we had a good time. She's late-30s (a few years older than me but could pass for 10 years younger) , has a stable, full-time job, and seems to be drama free. And did I mention beautiful? Yeah, beautiful. I am hopeful a second interview will be equally successful. I need to start planning. And she really appreciated the small but nice box of chocolates I gave her (thanks for the idea, Mandy!).
And Mandy, could you share with all of us some of your suggestions for photos? You say most guys blow it there. What, exactly do you mean? I, for one, do not include ANY pictures on the site. I know that is a risk, but I cannot take the chance that a family friend sees my pic there and tells the landlord. I would be evicted immediately, do not pass go, do not collect $200. I will, however, e-mail a pic to a prospect if she asks, and so far, that has worked just fine.
Regards,
Joe
[QUOTE=JoesParty; 1422740]And she really appreciated the small but nice box of chocolates I gave her (thanks for the idea, Mandy!).
And Mandy, could you share with all of us some of your suggestions for photos?[/QUOTE]First! Chocolates are always great! It's a nice little thing on a m&g that's not expected. If a girl does expect something then I will volunteer that she has what you all refer to as GPS and and you should run fast in the opposite direction. But, if you've chatted with the prospect for a little bit before meeting and are very hopeful for it, then it's a nice inexpensive token. Watch how she accepts it too as that will tell you a lot about her and what he intentions are from this world.
Now, for the pictures part. I think there are a few posts on my blog ([url]www.sugarbabystory.com[/url]) that talk about photos. It tends to be a pet peeve of mine. I don't mind if someone doesn't post their photos. This world is about discretion and that starts with that first email. But, when pictures are exchanged well, I've had some bad experiences. I'll list a few of my most offensive don't do's before I write what my favorite pictures are.
Just Bad Ideas.
- No shirt off pictures. Even if you are a younger SD or in great shape. Fun shots at the beach or on a boat can come later, but make sure it's something like that and not a cheesy shot of you posing in front of a mirror.
- No mug shots
- Bad grooming, have a hair brush. Use it.
- No fake pictures. If you do put a picture on your profile. Make sure it is really you.
- Group shots. Even if you have to crop someone out of the picture (other girls, children etc.) don't have them in there. And yes, I have had guys send me pictures of them with their kids.
My favorite pictures are men of men at nice parties or a business head shot. But maybe that's because I'm a sucker for a well dressed man. But, I also think it helps with the "game" that is sugar. You want to convey that you have the financial status to provide what the SB is looking for. The picture should match that. I also like "real" pictures. So, did friends take a picture while you were out one night or having lunch at a cafe? Two or three of these tend to convey a little of your personality and show that you are a genuine guy. The conditional statement there is only use them if you look good in them. Looking unkept and / or poorly dressed in a "real" photo ranks up there on my bad list. Unfortunately, I've seen way too many pictures of guys that fit into the "mug shot" category.
Hope that helps!
Mandy
[QUOTE=Castlerae; 1422347]No offence Master Scott, but the thing that disturbed me most wasn't so much the lack of responses from SB's (I know the ratio is probably heavily in favour of the SB's and against the SD's) , but in the sudden reversalin communications. It's like she went from giving all the indications of strong interest in something more between us to total silence. I mean, is she playing me, has she found a better deal (though we'd only met once and never even got to the point of discussing the finer details of a possible arrangement) , or what? I don't know, and while I appreciate the offer from SBabyblog for advice, it's not something I'm going to dump in her lap in hopes of a magical solution.
I don't know, think I might give this crap another month, then pull the plug if the strike out string continues.[/QUOTE]Castle,
I hate to see another brother so down in the dumps. We each need to make the decision that is best for us, I suppose, but the fly fishing analogy that I often use is particularly apt in the pursuit of babies, I feel. This is not like bait casting, where you toss the worm in and wait. In fly fishing, if you are not actively working the water, you have no chance of catching anything, and if what you are presenting, and your approach, are not working, then you need to change one, or both, and keep trying. The ratio of casts to strikes, unless you are fishing in a hatchery, is overwhelmingly against you, which is what makes it so exciting when you finally do get something on the line.
But then there is the challenge of getting them to the net without having them spit the hook, which often happens as well. As has been said before, it takes patience and practice, to which I would add dedication as well.
I don't mean this in any way to seem scoldy, and hopefully it does not come across as preachy either, just my observations of my experiences. To stretch the analogy to the breaking point, once you do get a fish on the line, and you play it beautifully to the net, sometimes it's not a keeper, and so you let it go. It's all part of the sport.
All this said, not all fishermen are fly fishers, and that's what makes the world the varied and interesting place that it is. All I can say is keep at it, if you want, and you will have successes, and failures too.
As for your vanishing baby, she may just reappear ready to rock it. Perhaps send her one more message saying something about your need to move on, and to respond to all the other contacts you have gotten (even if you haven't) unless she gets back to you by Saturday, or something like that. If you are communicating with her through SA, you will be able to see if she read your message or not, and when she is online as well. If you are offsite, send her an email with "sent you a message on SA" in the subject line, so even if she doesn't open it, she will see what you want her to see. Forgive me if I'm offering advice where none has been sought.
Peace,
Scott
Friends,
I have noticed that my Sugar email address only gets spam related to hook ups, fuck buddies and the like. I never get the Nigerian business deals, the cashier's check waiting to be released, or any of the other random spam that my work email gets. Why is that? How do these scammers find email addresses, and why haven't they found my Sugar email?
I apologize for the distraction, but there really isn't anyone else I can ask, LOL.
Scott
Hang Tough Castlerae,
Only you can decide if this method is best for you. But Scott is dead on. It's not a straight line path to the reward. And if you don't enjoy the journey then it's not going to be much fun. Like a famous president once said,"We don't chase the SB's because it is easy. We chase the SB's because it is hard." Well he might not have said that exactly. LOL. I haven't had one single baby ever say they were not going to communicate with me anymore. They just stop. When I first signed onto SA I had more babies than I could meet. But I had to take a break for a few months and now I'm not getting any hits at all. And I have the same exact profile up.
In my youth, I once started a baseball season with 23 straight at bats without a hit. I got dropped from being the lead off hitter to seventh in the line up. If it was not for my exception performance in the field my Manager would have benched me. I finally got my bat on the ball for a high bouncing chopper down the third base line and just barely beat the throw to first. My teammates gave me a standing ovation. Well that season, I finished up batting over. 400 and had 9 triples. Don't let the babies send you to the dugout with your head down. Get in the box man and keep swinging!
SubCmdr out
Castle,
If you get a chance, read the blog post I put up this week. The journey to find the right person is not a fast one. I don't know how long you've been searching but for both of the longer term SD's I've had it took almost six months! It can be a frustrating, time consuming, and at times seemingly never ending process. But, like the guys said it's one you have to enjoy.
For me, I like meeting people. I screen well so I don't meet someone that I think will waste my time or who I know I won't enjoy sitting through coffee or lunch with. It limits the frustration although I will say I have a group of guys that are friends I email and chat with because we didn't click in the meet for some reason but he was nice, interesting etc so I stay in touch. All of that helps make the process more enjoyable.
What you'll read in my recent post is that occasionally everything aligns and the perfect situation is found. I'm at that spot now and am enjoying relishing in that for a little bit. Good luck and while Scott volunteered me, I really am happy to help and give advice any time. Even if it's just to be a cheerleader for you!
Find your own joy in process,
Mandy
[QUOTE=SubCmdr; 1422825]Hang Tough Castlerae,
Only you can decide if this method is best for you. But Scott is dead on. It's not a straight line path to the reward. And if you don't enjoy the journey then it's not going to be much fun. Like a famous president once said,"We don't chase the SB's because it is easy. We chase the SB's because it is hard." Well he might not have said that exactly. LOL. I haven't had one single baby ever say they were not going to communicate with me anymore. They just stop. When I first signed onto SA I had more babies than I could meet. But I had to take a break for a few months and now I'm not getting any hits at all. And I have the same exact profile up.
In my youth, I once started a baseball season with 23 straight at bats without a hit. I got dropped from being the lead off hitter to seventh in the line up. If it was not for my exception performance in the field my Manager would have benched me. I finally got my bat on the ball for a high bouncing chopper down the third base line and just barely beat the throw to first. My teammates gave me a standing ovation. Well that season, I finished up batting over. 400 and had 9 triples. Don't let the babies send you to the dugout with your head down. Get in the box man and keep swinging!
SubCmdr out[/QUOTE]Sub,
You may be the new sage of the thread!
Scott
Friends,
Polo sent me a text just as I was heading out the door that she had to unfortunately cancel our riding lesson today for a perfectly acceptable reason. Nonetheless, I was all suited up, had done my stretching exercises, and was looking forward to a couple of hours in the Pleasure Dome, followed by a late lunch to see if we couldn't begin to forge something broader than a crazy desire for each others' bodies. Oh well, I have next week to look forward to.
On my other front, ATF tells me she and her new roomies rented a fantastic place in a great neighborhood that has lots of cute shops, restaurants and bars, and is nowhere anyone I know from my real life would go, I'm hoping. The last time she and I were together she was so playful, affectionate and happy, and when I asked her about it, she attributed it all to the upcoming change of roommates. Apparently the one she has now is a total downer, out of work, who stays home all the time, spreading gloom and doom.
If last week is any indication of things to come for ATF and me, I predict I will be falling even harder for her. Saints preserve us!
Have a great weekend if we don't speak before hand, and don't forget to write,
Scott
[QUOTE=F Scott; 1423751]Friends,
Polo sent me a text just as I was heading out the door that she had to unfortunately cancel our riding lesson today for a perfectly acceptable reason. Nonetheless, I was all suited up, had done my stretching exercises, and was looking forward to a couple of hours in the Pleasure Dome, followed by a late lunch to see if we couldn't begin to forge something broader than a crazy desire for each others' bodies. Oh well, I have next week to look forward to.
On my other front, ATF tells me she and her new roomies rented a fantastic place in a great neighborhood that has lots of cute shops, restaurants and bars, and is nowhere anyone I know from my real life would go, I'm hoping. The last time she and I were together she was so playful, affectionate and happy, and when I asked her about it, she attributed it all to the upcoming change of roommates. Apparently the one she has now is a total downer, out of work, who stays home all the time, spreading gloom and doom.
If last week is any indication of things to come for ATF and me, I predict I will be falling even harder for her. Saints preserve us!
Have a great weekend if we don't speak before hand, and don't forget to write,
Scott[/QUOTE]Re: Finding something in common other than a crazy desire for each other's bodies, that is certainly a nice conundrum to encounter, isn't it? But I know exactly what you mean. And I think it also dovetails with your remarks about your ATF. I suspect not everyone is looking for more than a physical connection, but some of us most certainly are. That alone is the reason I have significantly curtailed my visits to strip clubs and escorts. It's difficult to form the bond I'm looking for when it's more or less just a business transaction.
Things have been especially good with my ATF lately as well, so I know what you're thinking. She's been especially attentive and giving-romantic even. She needed a little extra sugar last night and asked without even the subtlest, detectable hint of pressure or coercion. And she was so genuinely appreciative when I came through; I love when I can tell she is truly happy. She told me my generosity entitled me to anything I want next time we're together. ANYTHING. My head nearly exploded on the spot.
Still, we gentlemen must continue treading carefully in these situations, lest we fall prey to stupid decisions. Always best to keep our wits about us.
Regards,
Joe
Just wanted to update all on sugar activities.
My ATF and one and only SB and I saw each other 3 times this week and have 3 nights scheduled next week. I am totally running out of play money to the point of getting ridiculous. As much as I love a "3 fer" I might have to curb my enthusiasm or discuss a lower rate. My SB has NEVER asken me for anything. I have to push her to suggest things I can get for her. It is so nice to give without being asked. Joe, when you mentioned that your ATF asked for money it gave me chills thinking about prior users I have had the misfortune of encountering. Be careful about " askers ". It adds a different slant to things. Just saying
Mandy,
What have you done to us in the few short weeks you have been posting? Before you know it, we will be holding doors open for our babies LOL! Seriously, I think you are helping us all to up our games to a new level, and in the process making it nicer for our babies as well. Have a great weekend. I'm going to contact you about coffee next week, just to catch up.
Best,
Scott
"Always best to keep our wits about us."
My wits left town a long time ago. Is that an ignorance is bliss thing or sheer stupidity?
Nando. Three times in one week! Damn! I've only seen my ATF 5 times all year.
[QUOTE=JoesParty; 1423797]Finding something in common other than a crazy desire for each other's bodies, that is certainly a nice conundrum to encounter, isn't it? But I know exactly what you mean. And I think it also dovetails with your remarks about your ATF. I suspect not everyone is looking for more than a physical connection, but some of us most certainly are.
Regards,
Joe[/QUOTE]This has been debated, eloquently, from both sides of the argument, and I certainly went through my phase, Lord knows. But I think I am settled into a good place at the moment, and find that I really need something more than lust if a relationship is to be sustained. "Every fair from fair in time declines", as the Bard succinctly put it. Or, more to the present day, "show me the most beautiful woman in the world, and I'll show you a guy tired of fucking her". Those of us with ATFs can all attest to the emotional and intellectual component that is crucial if it is to go long term. I am working on 10 months myself, with a few stretches here and there when she had disappeared for her own reasons.
I guess this is the reason I want to see if something bigger can develop with Polo. Every fair from fair in time declines, and if it is just based on the physical, once you've run through your playbook a couple of times, doesn't it become the same old same old? (Though truth be told, I am guessing she has a few plays up her sleeve that I've never dreamed of!)
Just some thoughts as I finish my sandwich.
Scott
[QUOTE=Hernando; 1423816]Just wanted to update all on sugar activities.
My ATF and one and only SB and I saw each other 3 times this week and have 3 nights scheduled next week. I am totally running out of play money to the point of getting ridiculous. As much as I love a "3 fer" I might have to curb my enthusiasm or discuss a lower rate. My SB has NEVER asken me for anything. I have to push her to suggest things I can get for her. It is so nice to give without being asked. Joe, when you mentioned that your ATF asked for money it gave me chills thinking about prior users I have had the misfortune of encountering. Be careful about " askers ". It adds a different slant to things. Just saying[/QUOTE]This is the first time she has asked for anything extra and one of only two or three times we've ever discussed money in the year I've known her. But your point is well taken. I have no doubt she will go above and beyond in repaying her "debt," though we certainly do not want to make a habit of this type of situation. I know her well enough to believe she has temporarily overextended herself and am hopeful this is a one-time event.
As for you overextending yourself, Hernando, sometimes we just have to say no. The little head will be displeased, and rightfully so. In the long run, though, I believe in quality over quantity. If you see yourself wanting to make (or keep) your ATF as a long-term SB, you'll have to start setting limits on yourself. Easier said than done, I know, because I had the same problem with my favorite last summer. We settled into a nice once-a-week-average a few months ago and neither could be happier.
Well, I dropped her a line to her email account before I left this AM, and a note on SA to let her know about it. So now I get to wait and see what happens next. The advice and encouragement is appreciated.
Thanks
Hi Guys,
Between talking with you all here and my fellow sugar babies on twitter, I've started to think of questions that I am curious about. The geek side of me has taken over and I've decided to design a survey for both sugar babies and sugar daddies to take. I will use an anonymous survey tool and then publish aggregate data as well as any interesting correlations I see on my blog.
If there is anything you're wanting to understand better – sb expectations, what your other brothers do, what matters in a profile etc. – please feel free to send me a pm with your question (s).
I am studying both qualitative and quantitative measurement and data analysis so this is as much an exercise to help me practice what I'm learning. The questions will be written so they do not sway a particular response and any scale I use will be correct so that it does not skew the data. All of this is to say that while I am a baby, any bias I have with this project will be left at the door.
It is simply to let me answer my curious questions, and any questions that you or sugar babies have. Yes, I've invited my fellow sisters to give input into the question development as well. Any questions suggested or any data collected later on will be kept anonymous.
Thank you so much for your help – I'll let you know if a few weeks when the survey is up and you can all take it for me too!
Thanks!
Mandy