Supereloquent's Reports - Philadelphia

Second indoor date with Elektra

She sucked me.

We fucked.

Repeatable.

Tons of hot pics.

Too lazy to post.

Classy BSW

Indoor FS

Had fun.

Would do again.

Lots of hot pics.

Too much work to edit and post.

[QUOTE=Supereloquent]
Yes, SWs apparently will wear the same shoes and the same underwear, but I don't think we have an epidemic of SWs carrying around spare outfits.[/QUOTE]It has been my experience that a lot of street girls carry around half their lives in their bag, let alone a spare skirt and tank top.

Judging by the background in this pic, it appears Justine is one that does carry around a few outfits.

Super, I don't like calling you out but I'm already in so here goes.

On your report 10-10-2009 [url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=879109&postcount=450[/url], Justine was shown in a skirt and tank top. [i](edit: Super had asked why I mentioned a skirt and tank top but the post has been deleted.)[/i] Please note the 5th pic in the top row, Justine06. Note the pose, tongue, and clothes on chair behind her. Now let's look at your pics from your post on 3-22-2010 [url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=962036&postcount=1115[/url]. Note the first pic, Justine11. Different pic from Justine06 (posted on 10-10-09), but same pose, same tongue, and same clothes on chair in background. Justine06 and Justine11 were taken seconds apart from each other, yet posted as two separate shoots 5 months apart.

There are quite a few other similar examples with other pictures but I don't think I need to point them out. It was a great shoot so I welcome the new pics. The Penthouse Forum story on 3-22 I probably could have done without.

[QUOTE=Johnny Stales]I really don't care anyway.[/QUOTE]
ummmm...hmmmmmmm.

Supere,

You're still a good dude in my book when it comes to picking up SW'ers in philly, but I think your love & passion for writing & storytelling has overshadowed the great pictures & the effort you been putting in to make a name for yourself on this board. I've seen how you've made people on this forum look like complete idiots with your words and If I didn't feel that I was correct in questioning that report I'll be damn if I was going to be the next one in line of your literary firepower. I'm done with this subject but just remember your already a well respected monger with nothing to prove.

Super,
I don't post that often and have never posted pics, so you can slam me for that. I don't have a degree in english so my spelling and grammar may be off a bit at times, so you can slam me for that as well. But I have been a member to this site for a long time, and as much as I value your pictures and contributions to this forum, your pics of Justine are not current as anyone with a set of eyeballs can see. The similarities with the pictures of your previous set are just too easy to spot. Same room, same underwear, same clothes on bed, same papers on nightstand etc... As stated previously, these girls carry around their life in a backpack at times, so a change of clothes is not out of the question. My question to you is this. If the story you wrote is true, why post pics from a previous encounter, and try to cover it up with useless banter? This is not a fictional story site.
I really don't wish to get into an argument with you, but I am just pointing out the obvious. I really appreciate your contributions to the site and I know your pictures are real and hope your posts are as well, but what is up with this one of Justine. Slam me if you want. Insult me if you want. I have never been negative with you and don't expect anything like that from you. Myself and alot of others here would like to beleive we are not being duped by bogus adventures with or without real pictures.
JB

[QUOTE=Johnboy]Super,I don't post that often and have never posted pics, so you can slam me for that.[/QUOTE]

Slam

[QUOTE=Johnboy]I don't have a degree in english so my spelling and grammar may be off a bit at times, so you can slam me for that as well.[/QUOTE]

Slam

[QUOTE=Johnboy] Myself and alot of others here would like to beleive we are not being duped by bogus adventures with or without real pictures.
JB[/QUOTE]

As in "I?" "beleive?" (i before e except after c.) I would hate to think that such fine well-spoken contributors such as "yourself" feel duped by bogus adventures.

I will most certainly do my very best to keep my posts to a bare minimum in the future and stick to the absolute essential facts sans pics.

The "Justine affair" (literally and figuratively) doesn't seem like it is going away any time soon. It is like a bad penny. It keeps showing up. And it would appear that some members here have nothing better to do than continue to harp about it like I took a dump on their lawn. So let's clear the air.

Did I date Justine recently? Yes. Believe it, don't believe it, whatever. Did I have my camera with me? Yes, but not the charger and the battery had died. Am I a complete bonehead for not keeping it charged? Yes. Did I embellish the truth a bit in my post to make it seem like the pics were recent? Yes. Why not just post the old previously unposted pics with a disclaimer? Why do people do stupid things? They do. I am not immune; I have no excuses. I was stupid. I apologize. Does this mean I am a liar and all my pics and posts are false? Believe what you want; I can't stop you. I did a dumb thing. It's better to come clean at this point than to wiggle around it anymore and get all pissy about it on top. Is that a childish thing to do? You bet. Do we all do it? Well, maybe not to the degree we would care to admit, but we do.

This reminds me of the classic story of parents seeing their child taking cookies from the jar (you like that analogy, Cooky?) when he has been told not to, and then they ask him if he has taken cookies from the jar. So now he is between a rock and a hard place. He can either admit that he did something he shouldn't have, or he can lie about it. He is fucked either way. The moral of the story?: don't take cookies from the jar, because the result will be unpleasant no matter how you slice it.

[QUOTE=Freaklikdat]Supere,

You're still a good dude in my book when it comes to picking up SW'ers in philly, but I think your love & passion for writing & storytelling has overshadowed the great pictures & the effort you been putting in to make a name for yourself on this board. I've seen how you've made people on this forum look like complete idiots with your words and If I didn't feel that I was correct in questioning that report I'll be damn if I was going to be the next one in line of your literary firepower. I'm done with this subject but just remember your already a well respected monger with nothing to prove.[/QUOTE]

I was all set to back up the truck and dump on you with the written word, but you were correct to call me on it, and I would be childish to continue to throw a tantrum over it. I was wrong, and I have attempted to explain and set the matter straight. I was one of those kids who tried to make the teacher look stupid just because I could. That didn't make me right, just dangerously pedantically ornery. Some things don't change very much, and I can still be that way. Face me intellectually with your fists, and I will pull a knife, pull a knife and I will pull a gun, pull a gun and I will pull a flame thrower. Push me too hard and instead of being a Jedi Knight I will become Darth Vader with a death ray trained on your ass.

However, now it's time to chill, contemplate all the spring flowers about to emerge on the K in their short-shorts, halter-tops and flip-flops, and dream about all their cute little mouths and pussies wrapped around your cock.

This is my first post here. I've been trolling the forums on BestGfe for a few months and can't say I've gotten much out of it. All I wanted to say is that I've learned more here in a few hours than the several months over there. You guys are total pros! Specifaclly, reading all the posts of supereloquent just gives a wealth of great information. For that thanks!

Keep up the great work everyone!

[QUOTE=Supereloquent]The "Justine affair" (literally and figuratively) doesn't seem like it is going away any time soon. It is like a bad penny. It keeps showing up. And it would appear that some members here have nothing better to do than continue to harp about it like I took a dump on their lawn. So let's clear the air.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gscs Ret]Sorry, I am from out of town and got the address where I found Staci all screwed up. The WAWA is on Erie and L street a few blocks up from the DD everyone posts about on here. I have picked up girls in that area of Erie in previous visits. I got off the highway at the Aramingo exit to start my adventure.[/QUOTE]

Don't you find it odd how a few jumped on the bandwagon to say they had seen or picked up SWs at a strange location pointed out by an out-of-towner which was very far off the stroll and was the wrong Wawa in the first place?

I have picked up a few on the Ben Franklin bridge. Anyone see any there too?

Ooops, or was it the Walt Whitman?

The Tacony-Palmyra? The Betsy Ross?

Wait, I know, it was the Commodore Perry!

Or was it the Delaware?

Aw, come on fellas, you have to admit that this whole situation is funny! I will be sure to check out this Wawa on Aramingo...as soon as my library card runs out and I have a few hours to kill wasting my time.

[QUOTE=Supereloquent]She was an outstanding cock sucker.[/QUOTE]Yeah. It's J from Backpage. Hot little number. What a way to start the spring.

[QUOTE=Supereloquent]Don't you find it odd how a few jumped on the bandwagon to say they had seen or picked up SWs at a strange location pointed out by an out-of-towner which was very far off the stroll and was the wrong Wawa in the first place?[/QUOTE]Kind of like how a story can change entirely as it's repeated from one person to another to the point where it ultimately bears no similarity to the original or reality. That said, I think the fact that at least one credible monger (Freaklikdat) says he's picked somebody up there and three other experienced mongers including myself say we've seen girls there we either believed were working or at least looked the part, makes me think there probably is occasional action to be found. To your point, no I wouldn't go out of my way to hang out there looking for it. But I go to that Wawa fairly often when I'm mongering and based on these reports I'm going to be more open to trusting my instincts that some of these girls may be working.

[QUOTE=Mike 80]Kind of like how a story can change entirely as it gets repeated from one person to another to the point where it ultimately bears no similarity to the original.[/QUOTE]

What you said describes the well known psychological phenomenon of [b]FALSE[/b] DISTORTION of the often repeated word/story from its original form, so I guess I fail to see the analogy, unless that is, in fact, what you meant. In this case that might be exactly what applies.

A monger [b]ONCE[/b] found a SW in that Wawa and others "think" they may have seen "possible" but unconfirmed SWs there, and someone saw evidence of drug paraphernalia in the MEN'S room? I have found SWs in the supermarket too, and even in a restaurant, but I don't recommend it as a search strategy. I am sure you can choose to look anywhere you like for them, and risk funny looks or worse from every civvie you approach, but, if I have a choice between trolling the K and hanging out at that Wawa, or even making the attempt if I just happen to be pumping gas there or buying something, I know where the odds will likely be 100 times better or more in finding what I want.

I guess if you torture a mouse long enough it might eventually sing the Star Spangled Banner, but that wouldn't be my preferred strategy for beginning a Phillies' game.

[QUOTE=Supereloquent]Most mongers are too young to remember Joe Friday (including me) but the TV nostalgia channel has it on cable and it's a riot.

"Some" mongers would apparently prefer the basics, so here is something special just for you for my latest report:

Picked up Jess on the stroll.

Cute, young, short-haired brunette .

Found a secluded place to park.

Nice pipe cleaning.

Would repeat.

Have pics but too lazy to post.[/QUOTE]


I remember Joe Friday. Played by actor Jack Webb. Joe Friday walked like he had a broomstick up his back, never cracked a smile, never broke into a sweat chasing anyone, never a hair out of place. Almost never took off his tweed jacket. His partner in some of the episodes was played by actor Harry Morgan ( colonel Potter of M*A*S*H fame for all you youngins).

The best episodes were the ones about drugs--we would of course be high while watching back in the early 70's. I remember one where the parents were smoking weed, and their kid drowned in the bathtub--the hippie mom was hysterical, and Joe of course preached against the evil of drugs.

There was another one where a teenage kid was wearing a Nehru jacket (I bet few people know what that is), and was chanting the Hare Krishna. Sgt Joe Friday asked him: "Ok, son--what are you on? Uppers, downers..."? Those were the days.

[QUOTE=Chriseff]My self and several other mongers who I believe to have credibility have all made observations regarding said WaWa.[/QUOTE]

I make no case against anyone's credibility. I was merely amusing myself over the flurry of "reporting" all based on a MISTAKEN address. You do not find it similarly amusing, because it is at your expense. So you are forced either to invest your ego and defend an entrenched position at all hazards, or give it up laughingly and gracefully. Trust me, I am no stranger to the predicament. I empathize. Hold on for dear life, but the tighter you hold the funnier it will get. At least you have a few others in the foxhole with you to share your rations.

An observation is not a confirmation. Just because it looks like a duck and walks like a duck doesn't mean it fucks for money like a duck. I trust that you have instincts about that location from your observations and your trained eye and maybe your instincts are correct, but maybe they are not. All we have so far is an incorrect report from an out-of-towner followed by ONE confirmed hit and a few suspicions. Compare that to the number of CONFIRMED hits at Huntingdon/Cambria/Russell/Sedgley/Castor/Buckius/Pike. This contest is the pee wee girls playing the Eagles. When you go hunting for deer you don't go to the beach at Atlantic City because someone once shot one there and a few others "thought" they saw a few hanging out there occasionally.

[QUOTE=Chriseff] I know you may be agitated over the Justine flame war on the other thread (your sarcasm was amusing--the reports on Sparkles and Elektra, etc) but we are only reporting what we have seen.[/QUOTE]

At least Jess, Elektra and Sparkles were REAL recent encounters, with pics, and not girls I saw and "thought" were SWs (unless figments of my imagination sucked and fucked me). You may have found the sarcasm amusing, but that level of information, sans pics, is unfortunately what many SW reports read like in here. At least I boiled it down to the essentials and gave the slavering masses less reading with which to burden their cerebra.

[QUOTE=Chriseff]I have picked up SW's at the WaWa on Erie Torresdale and at the one on Richmond, as well as both 7-11's. If you don't believe me, then so be it.[/QUOTE]

So have I. None of that was at issue...just the ludicrous focus on the Wawa at Aramingo, and all as a result of a MISTAKEN report. That is what is so funny, people committing themselves on the basis of mistaken information from a stranger to Philly. Yet you all hold onto it like your honor is at stake. Give it up already.

[QUOTE=Chriseff]None of us pick up SW'ers on area bridges or use our library cards.[/QUOTE]

THAT part WAS meant to be sarcastic, although I believe you that none of you use your library cards. :D

[QUOTE=Chriseff]As far as the Aramingo location--when you are cruising the K at night and need gas or a bathroom, it is one of the most logical places to stop. I tend to drive up and down the K for longer periods of time, and I sometimes have a frequent need to use the bathroom, so I pretty much always stop there every time I am in Kensington. Their gas prices are the lowest around in the city, FYI.[/QUOTE]

Yes, but you are reporting as if that Wawa is some kind of undiscovered great place for a potential pick-up. I just don't "see" it.

The Wawa on Aramingo is the SW Alamo: it is indefensible as a prime pickup spot, period.

[QUOTE=Chriseff]Since you primarily monger in day or evening hours and reside north of the city, I can understand why you would not be aware of the many wonders of this particular WaWa.[/QUOTE]

We will have to agree to disagree. If I ever pick up a SW there I will be the first one to pucker up my lips and plant one on your posterior.

[QUOTE=Chriseff]The only question that I have about Justine is--where can I find this sweet girl? [/QUOTE]

I feel like someone who has been tortured and starved in a concentration camp and then my captors want my prize winning recipe for Beef Stroganov. What I can tell you is that if you plan to find her, be looking on the extreme north end of the stroll after 10 and before 4. She only works on the K when she feels like picking up another regular or 2 for her phone list. Her shelf life on the Ave will be about 10 minutes max, about as long as it takes to refuse a few and find an acceptable date, because she is selective.

[QUOTE=Chriseff]You described her in one of your captions as "looking good enough to eat"--that is the truth. I think I would seriously consider going down on that beautiful and marvelous shaved kitty if it were staring me in the face.[/QUOTE]

I can spell herpes, hepatitis and AIDs. Let's not even think about the other 22 STDs you can get from unprotected oral/vaginal sex. Justine may look great, but she is still a SW. She seems smart enough to only engage in safe sex, but if she lets you eat her out, do you think you are the only one on the planet that was afforded that privilege?

Yes, I am not kidding myself that there are certain risks I am willing to assume with BBBJs, but there are much nastier things you are likely to get from your mouth on a SW's vagina than a SW's mouth on your cock. Call me crazy or just conservative, and feel free to do whatever you like, but sucking a SW's pussy is never going to be on my menu.

[QUOTE=Supereloquent]
I don't really see much other reporting like that going on in this forum, perhaps except for Cooky to some degree. Maybe it is happening, but I just don't see any evidence of it. And I observe that even Cooky rarely mentions anything about damages.
[/QUOTE]

To some degree? Maybe I don’t post as much as I use to, but “To some degree? And no, I don’t mention damages. Why? Because I don’t pay for pussy.


[QUOTE=CookyJar]Here we go again!!!
I am still laughing at (but not denying outright) the claim that I paid $30 per picture to Angie. If you or anyone wants to believe that I pay $30 per picture - Ha Ha, I cannot stop laughing - so be it. Keep on believing it.
CookyJar
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Above is a quote taken from a response to a question posed by a fellow member. He was asking/questioning what I paid a particular girl. I’ve been questioned about what I pay on numerous occasions.

Here, once again is my final answer on the subject. Nothing!!! I pay them nothing for sex. Paying for sex is illegal. I am a stand-up All American, law abiding Citizen. I would never willingly break the law. I do not condone or participate in prostitution or solicit for sex. I am not knocking Supereloquent or the rest of you for what you do, but; I don’t pay for pussy. I am not a prude or holier than thou asshole. I am just a regular type of guy who has never ever paid for sex.

Having said that and hoping you all now understand that I do not give SWers money to fuck them (that would be wrong on so many levels), I do want to pass on some information. Rachel quoted me a set price. It was a little above what I would normally like to have paid. I liked the girl; I could afford to pay her price, so I paid it. I hope that doesn’t turn out to be a problem for anyone. If it does; fuck em and feed them beans.

Rachel turned out to be a great model. She took directions really well. IMHO she was well worth every penny. YMMV

CookyJar

PS: I didn’t find any pictures of Rachel posted on, ”BackPage.” I did find some of her friend (I will post her review next). Here are a few of the special items I did for Rachel. I plan to delivery them personally. I sure hope she appreciates them. I like it when girls show me their appreciation.

[QUOTE=CookyJar]To some degree? Maybe I don’t post as much as I use to, but “To some degree? And no, I don’t mention damages. Why? Because I don’t pay for pussy.[/QUOTE]

You misunderstood what I was saying. I was referring to nice-motel, multiple-hour, multiple-cup dates. I see that you have some of these, but your more typical MO, unless I am misreading your posts, is a photo session followed by a cup of fun. I am not casting aspersions on how frequently you post or what you prefer to do. Do your thing. It's all good.

I don't pay for it either. All that talk about damages is just so much fiction. I am apparently well known for that anyway. :D

I played in a local band and that was part of the get up, after 17 minutes of In-A-GaddaDa-Vida, you felt laike you had a burlap sack on, but we thought they were cool!!!

[QUOTE=Supereloquent] Did I embellish the truth a bit in my post to make it seem like the pics were recent? Yes.[/QUOTE]

Correct me if I am wrong. And if I am wrong, please forgive me. I apologize. Are you admitting that Justice’s pictures were all taken on the date shown in the details section of the pictures properties folder? Have you checked that date yourself?

CookyJar

[QUOTE=Supereloquent]I was merely amusing myself over the flurry of "reporting" all based on a MISTAKEN address. You do not find it similarly amusing, because it is at your expense. So you are forced either to invest your ego and defend an entrenched position at all hazards, or give it up laughingly and gracefully.[/QUOTE]C'mon Super. You know I'm a huge advocate of your reporting and pics but lighten up a little. In these last couple of posts it's hard not to detect a tone of you talking down to me and others like you’re the professor or pope of mongering and all else. We’re not all brain-dead inarticulate cretins.

In my last post I merely made a casual, lightly-considered comment responding to your point about what turned out to be an erroneous reference to a pick up at an Aramingo Wawa. I knew the parallel I was drawing wasn't the best fit for what you were describing but thought it did highlight how people can sometimes be quickly led afield by misinformation. Of course I don’t think that’s actually the case here. I have visited that Aramingo Wawa many times and it sounds like other mongers do too. There are plenty of reasons to believe there might be action there or in the vicinity, whether it is demographics, the proximity to K and to where some K SWs live, and the look or behavior of some of the girls we see there. I would still be very cautious popping the question to one of these Wawa possibilities and would never go out of my way to monger there. But given that I already DO go there on a fairly regular basis the takeway for me is to be more trusting of my radar and more open to picking up and acting on signals the Wawa wannabees may send. It's always a treat to pick up a gem off the beaten path.

[QUOTE=Mike 80]C'mon Super. You know I'm a huge advocate of your reporting and pics but lighten up a little.[/QUOTE]

Point accepted. I should save up for the idiot rock throwers. You must allow that I feel a little testy, war weary and battle scarred, so when I see a small opening to spray some machine gun fire, that I get an itchy trigger finger. :D

[QUOTE=Supereloquent]Point accepted. I should save up for the idiot rock throwers. You must allow that I feel a little testy, war weary and battle scarred, so when I see a small opening to spray some machine gun fire, that I get an itchy trigger finger. :D[/QUOTE]Nice response, well-phrased as usual. Point resolved. No need for further comment from me or others. We move on to the next topic...

[QUOTE=Mike Sweeney]...you felt laike you had a burlap sack on, but we thought they were cool!!![/QUOTE]

Yeah! But! Do you remember, "The Norfolk Jacket." I still have mine. That was style, when style meant something.

CookyJar

LOL, No Cooky I didn't remember that one until I saw your pics of it, it did have more style than the Nehru, I can see trying to pick up a SW in either one, you would probably get laughed of the "K'

I gave everyone the “Joe Friday” version of this report already, so this is just for you oddballs who actually want to read details and see pics.

Last Thursday I had made an appointment with a SW, and was headed to meet her, when I spotted Jess on the northern end of the stroll. She appeared to be young (22, so she says), thin, pretty and very fetching. She flashed me a big smile, and I was already hooked. Jess got in and I called the SW with whom I had the appointment, and we rescheduled for later. Jess covered her mouth, and tried not to laugh out loud.

Jess was multiple-hour, multiple-cup, in-a-nice-motel material, and that is what I suggested. She was reluctant to do that. She wouldn’t even consider the Carlyle. Jess said she doesn’t do this much (if I only had a dollar for every time I have heard THAT one! LOL), and she didn’t know me, and the last guy who had taken her to a motel just left her stranded there. I chagrined over the boneheaded insensitivity of some of my monger brethren, but I told her I understood, and that a car date was better than no date at all, and maybe if she got to know me that next time could be an indoor date.

We found a place that was somewhat secluded, but still in plain view of customers entering a retail establishment. That didn’t seem to bother her, but it surely concerned me. This is one of the reasons I don’t like to do parking dates. I am too old and wise for this shit (except when the little head wants some lovin’). I re-parked so that it was much more difficult to see us, not that it would have made any difference to her one way or the other. She was quite ready and willing to fuck me right there, but I find fucking in my car uncomfortable and dangerous in the best of circumstances, let alone in plain view of a retail store entrance in the middle of the day. So we settled on 2 cups of BBBJCIMSP.

Jess is a very good cock sucker. She gives you long slow sucks until she gets you nice and hard, and then provides a sloppy wet suck all the way to your balls and back, varied in rhythm and with great use of her fingers, mouth, throat and tongue. I was really horny, and the first cup couldn’t have taken more than a few minutes. She laughed after she spit and said, “Damn, you were really ready!” She was concerned that the second cup would take a really long time. However, I told her that it wouldn’t take long given her superb technique, and her cute face and soft titties, with which I was playing as she sucked. I made it very clear that I didn’t want her placing me on a stop watch, or hurrying me, or saying “Are you ready to cum yet?,” but that I was certain it wouldn’t take me any longer than many guys on their first pop.

The second round I was able to sit back and relax and enjoy it more, talking filthy dirty the whole time, which seemed to amuse her. She was moaning as she sucked, and she sighed in response to my dirty phrases. She would half giggle when I called her "Daddy’s little cum piggie,” and afterward she said she had never heard that one before, and it “sounded cute.” That seems to be a common response, unless the SW is all hung up about dirty talking for whatever reason.

Ratings? Face: 4 1/2 stars (very cute); Body: 4 stars (it might be 5 stars for all I know but I didn’t exactly get her naked to find out; she seems to have 5 star potential from what I saw and felt); BJ: 5 stars; Fucking: N/A (maybe on a future indoor date); Attitude: 4 stars (she was pleasant enough, but I wanted an indoor date and she refused; I understand why but hasn’t she ever been taught that the customer is always right?); Overall: 4 stars (for what it was; a good parking 2 cup BBBJCIMSP); Repeatable? Sure, if she can get over the jitters and do an indoor date; I would give it a shot. YMMV

Street Steve:Thanks for the intel on Dawn.

Information on ripoffs, bad dates and dangerous SWs is even more valuable than positive reviews. We need to be aware of these SWs to avoid them, and having pics is especially useful.

I guess I'm an oddball then, I like reading your hearsay SuperE! Very well written as usual.

[QUOTE=Fbtom]I guess I'm an oddball then, I like reading your hearsay SuperE! Very well written as usual.[/QUOTE]

I hope you either didn't mean what you wrote, or you didn't understand the meaning of "hearsay," and perhaps meant "detail" instead?

Hearsay is information gathered by one person from another concerning some event, condition, or thing of which the first person had no direct experience.

That is why hearsay testimony is inadmissible in court. Only what a person experiences or hears first hand is admissible.

Jess looks like a dude.

[QUOTE=Proxysss]Jess looks like a dude.[/QUOTE]I believe you might need glasses.(LOL) Jess is cute, and I, for one, would like to see more of her.

Nice pics and post Cooky. I adore gals from or descended from the European Eastern Block countries, and what is and formerly was Russia. Part of that is their generally fun and carefree attitude, and part is that I grew up with girls like that and they make me feel like I am having a pleasantly nostalgic experience from my youth.

You reported that she advertises on line but I have seen this chick on the Ave on occasion in the vicinity of the Woodshed and/or Cambria and/or Venango. I seemed to have been headed somewhere in a hurry, fresh from a previous date (not that such always stops me) or just window shopping and scoping out the Ave when I saw her. If I had known she was Polish I may have sampled her, and I just may do that in the future.

A wise friend once told me that good advice is worth about what you pay for it, so both what Cepalopod Love had to say and what I have to say should probably be evaluated with that wise admonition in mind. We just obviously have somewhat different points of view.

I disclose that I am NOT an attorney nor have I attended law school nor even studied law, nor law enforcement practices, so I would defer to professional expertise in these areas. I know that my "opinions" about the economy and appropriate investment strategies, while admittedly never perfect, are going to come from a much more educated and experienced viewpoint than some guy who read an article in the Wall Street Journal this morning and now thinks he is an economic and investment genius. My opinions about the matters ahead are similarly seat of the pants, but they are also based upon almost a lifetime of practical experience with absolutely no LE problems in my mongering activity, which may be caution, wisdom, luck of the draw, who knows? So here's my 2 cents worth:

[QUOTE=Cephlapod Love][b]1. What are some good strategies to plan in advance with a SW to be prepared for this type of situation?[/b]

Have your story straight - forget about what the SW will say. It's your word against a SW'ers? Trying to work up a story with a SW in advance, "just in case," seems like a recipe for her bolting on you and a low probability operation. [/QUOTE]

Having YOUR story straight goes without question, but I think that having that same story straight between you and the SW might prove invaluable. It is always your word against hers, but why not try to be on the same page, at least to start? If she departs from the story you are no worse off than having none at all.

[QUOTE=Cephlapod Love][b]2. Does one have complicit criminal responsibility if the SW has outstanding warrants or has drugs on her person? Suppose she stashes them in your vehicle quickly (and stupidly)?[/b]

This is the prime risk of mongering and why one wants to avoid allowing a lady to cop. Any street smart SW that is holding is going to dump the minute they see LE come up. If LE finds drugs in your car - the rap is on you. It's your car, LE found the drugs in your car. Case closed. {watch COPS on TV - you'll see this a hundred times}[/QUOTE]

Never allowing a SW to cop before you date is wise advice. But also, never voluntarily consent to a search of your vehicle. I know that much about your important rights. If they threaten to impound it, whatever, make them do it. You may or may not know if the SW stashed some drugs in your vehicle. If they find drugs on her, there may be probable cause to search you or your vehicle, but never volunteer such a search. There is always a probability the search can be overturned as illegal, but not if you allow it. If it becomes a drug possession issue then LE is either going to arrest you or not, but they are likely going to check for priors and, if you are clean, they may or may not cut you some slack. They likely suspect in such circumstances that you are not the guilty party, but sometimes that isn't the issue. Drugs are a whole different kettle of fish, so, yes. that is a huge risk you take picking up any SW. You just don't want to get stopped or discovered parking and in the act for any reason whatsoever.

[QUOTE=Cephlapod Love]I can't imagine anyone has any responsibility to know if a lady entering your car has warrants - unless one wants to deputize every monger out there.[/QUOTE]

Perhaps not, but if she has outstanding warrants the hassle on your ass may just become that much heavier. They can always arrest you for something if they feel like it.

[QUOTE=Cephlapod Love][b]3. When a SW blabs her head off like that and virtually admits you were having sex for money, what should one do if questioned: disagree? lie? tell the truth and hope for leniency? invoke your right to silence and perhaps piss them off enough to arrest you?[/b]

See the videos I posted about how to deal with LE. Once LE approaches a fast thinking monger could perhaps advise the lady to keep quiet and let him do the talking. But regardless of what she says - [b]NEVER incriminate yourself.[/b] Don't fall into that game of the LE is your friend or wants to help you out. IF LE hasn't seen and heard an offer of money for sex, then it seems like the proof of mongering activity is in a "he said she said." Most of these charges are minor infractions [other than the scarlet letter society imposes] so LE wants you to pay the fine and not get caught up in court with the expense of time & resources. LE knows the rules and what may appear as leniency may be just a case of not having enough evidence of a crime. So don't hand them a freebie. If you make it hard to prosecute [i.e. don't incriminate yourself or give up your rights], then an attorney should be able to make any mess created by an over zealous LE go away. [/QUOTE]

On these points I somewhat agree. However, you can tell her to let you do the talking all you want, but LE, as sure as the sun rises in the East, will pull her aside to get her story, and hear your story separately and try to use one version against the other. I fully agree with one point: don't incriminate yourself. What you say can and WILL be used against you in a court of law.

[QUOTE=Cephlapod Love][b]4. IF you both have a story in advance that you are 2 people who met and hit it off and were just having fun, and you stick to the story (which the police probably won't believe anyway), do you risk pissing them off and having them arrest you on some other charge? What charges might those be? (public lewdness or indecency?)[/b]

I dunno, if one is that afraid of pissing off LE then it seems likely one is going to fall into one of LE's "gotcha' traps when they appear to be your friend. Are you really this afraid of LE or just being rhetorical?[/QUOTE]

I think like Mad Monger said, the issue isn't just getting arrested for solicitation but getting arrested at all for anything. As I said before, having your stories straight beforehand can't hurt (and I usually do; smart SWs don't want to get arrested either and they see the value in having a story straight other than she is trying to make some money).

If LE literally catches you with your pants down and the SW undressed, as described, I am sure there are any number of ordinances being broken if they care to arrest you. But you don't want the arrest to be a solicitation or drug charge if you can help it.

[QUOTE=Cephlapod Love][b]5. I suppose invoking your rights to be silent and not allowing voluntary search are good starts but does one risk pushing the police not to be lenient and just let you go if your record is clean?[/b]

Again - STICK TO PROTECTING YOUR RIGHTS! Never give them away. Once you do you can't get them back! After the third time in this post of statements that sound like one is afraid of not cooperating with LE, I'm concerned about you. If one is this afraid of contacts with LE then [not to be a smartazz] it might make sense to avoid mongering all together - stick with AMPs or escorts.[/QUOTE]

All agreed there. Be cordial and polite because LE may exercise discretion to let you go with a slap on the wrist, but never voluntarily allow search and never admit to a damn thing.

As for AMPs or escorts, I don't know that provides any more protection. It is a lot easier for LE to set up a sting that way than on the K. A smart monger can avoid a street sting in so many ways, which we have discussed before, without having to use his phone, go to a place which may have cameras and be staked out, etc.

[QUOTE=Cephlapod Love][b]6. How much leeway does LE generally exercise in this type of circumstance when your paperwork is in order and you have a squeaky clean record. Is my friend's experience typical or does it really depend on the officers involved and/or where it takes place?[/b]

Who can answer this question definitively? You are dealing with another human being and as such there are many variables out there so YMMV.[/QUOTE]

I have heard many stories from SWs that they were caught parking with a monger, and both were let go as long as they were trying to be discreet about it (parked in a secluded area and not near residences, etc.). A few have told me they were let go and the monger got a fine (For what I don't know). However, these are stories and second hand, so take them for what they are. I have no first hand accounts to relate.

[QUOTE=Cephlapod Love][b]7. Do the police keep a record of the incident and can they use it against my friend on a future occasion to be much less lenient?[/b]

Who knows? Maybe individual cops, districts or cities keep records of "stops." Any decision to be "lenient", again, is going to be made by a human being with all of his prejudices, emotions, etc. at the time of the encounter.

It sure sounds like you are looking for a set of hard fast rules you can apply to be safe. Doubt there are any that would fit all circumstances.

Use common sense, be polite, do not incriminate yourself.[/QUOTE]

Totally agreed. I don't even know what the law enforcement practice is in Philly for a routine stop where there is no arrest, and the paperwork was checked. Human nature always applies, as does the discretion of the officer(s) involved, their experience and what they feel is on their front burner. I am sure some would be a prick and arrest or at least fine you and others would slap you on the wrist and let you go, figuring they had bigger fish to fry. In a city like Philly, a guy getting his tool waxed in a car is relatively small potatoes compared to the other important and life threatening shit with which they likely have to deal day in and day out.

Common sense, politeness, not incriminating yourself (and not voluntarily allowing a search): these are wise words by which to live.

Be careful out there.

[QUOTE=Fbtom]I guess I'm an oddball then, I like reading your hearsay SuperE! Very well written as usual.[/QUOTE]Maybe he meant heresy.

Heresy: a belief that rejects the orthodox tenets of a religion.

[QUOTE=Supereloquent]Street Steve:Thanks for the intel on Dawn.

Information on ripoffs, bad dates and dangerous SWs is even more valuable than positive reviews. We need to be aware of these SWs to avoid them, and having pics is especially useful.[/QUOTE]

you are most welcome SuperE, if enough of us report these Ripoffs they will not make the near the money they would have. Honest SW's hate them even more the we do. They have told me so. "they ruin it for all of us" I have heard them say. They way they see it is this: because of these thieves, all SW's are not are trusted to cop, and everyone ends up being dope sick.

[QUOTE=Bigg Mike]That sounds like a premeditated rip-off to me as well - I take back what I wrote before. :( And for a lousy $10... I hate it, it's happened to me too many times.[/QUOTE]

I don't care about the money. I would't miss a lousy 10 bucks. I have allowed a girl to buy some food or cigarettes on the way to an indoor date, but never drugs. I have never been ripped off for a coke and a sandwich, or a pack of Marlboro's, not that such is impossible. But allowing her to cop for drugs exposes you to potential legal problems which could be very serious. We face such potential problems anyway unless we plan to thoroughly search every SW we pick up, but we don't need to make this problem a dead certainty, and I am not hanging out in a known drug area waiting for some skank to get her fix, and be robbed, mugged, shot or pinched.

[QUOTE=Bigg Mike]When I've given girls money up front to cop, maybe I thought "the date will go better if they're feeling good" or something, but I wonder how many times that actually has happened to me; twice? three times? More likely I find myself parked in front of some crack house way too long, out of place, out of luck, and just begging to get busted. Meanwhile, the girl gets away with it, which just makes it that much more likely she'll try it on the next guy - it just sucks.[/QUOTE]

If a date is dope sick, I either see it before I pick her up and avoid her or let her out when I see it up close. I am not interested, regardless what she looks like. A date with me cops after the date, never before. I used to drop them off at their "distributor," but I have stopped that practice as well. I drop them off near to where I picked them up...period.

A SW who has recently shot up and/or smoked and/or popped is fairly wasted and numb anyway, and not much good if you like sexual responsiveness. I was never much into necrophelia.

To Proxysss:

You are just another rock throwing newbie who crawled out of his cave with nothing constructive to contribute. There seems to be a never ending supply of you idiots.

Either SHOW us your idea of the SW "excellence" of which you imply that you partake versus us supposed low-lifes, or [b]SHUT THE FUCK UP![/b]

I saw “Andrea” on a hot corner of the northern part of the stroll. She was dressed in a very short, tight, black skirt, gray wool body stockings, like a dancer would wear, and high-heeled boots. She looked like one of the classier SWs one might see on Hollywood Boulevard in LA, a la Julia Roberts in "Pretty Woman." The SW look on the K tends more to be the blend-in "suburban teen" look of worn jeans, a hoodie and sneakers. "Andrea" stood out; that's for certain.

Cooky had just done a report and photo spread on “Andrea” and I recognized her immediately from that, as well as the fact that I had seen her on the Ave a number of times before. She bounced into my car and announced a different name (I guess she uses one name for the street, and a different one for Backpage). She looked good. I was expecting her to have an accent after reading her Backpage ad, linked in Cooky’s report, which advertised her as a “Polish Vixen.” Maybe that’s her “shtick,” as many Backpage gals are good marketers and have great “selling hooks." both literally and figuratively. Being quite accomplished in the field of marketing myself, I appreciate excellent selling skills, but mongering to me is preferably an “amateur” street talent search. I find the on-line and escort pros to be relatively good looking, by and large, but are over-hyped sex actresses at best when you get right down to it. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with that, if such is what one seeks. I would personally prefer a needy “amateur type" who also truly enjoys sucking and fucking. Hey, like my grandmother always said, there is a lid for every pot.

We hadn’t even traveled a few blocks and “Andrea” was into her sales patter, asking what I had in mind. I wasn’t worried that she was an LE decoy, although she sure looked like one. I said, uncharacteristically, that I had in mind driving her to a nice motel, and enticing her to allow me to take some very sexy pics, and suck my cock and fuck me like there was no tomorrow. She laughed and said, “Why go to a hotel? We can go to my place.” Now normally that would ring all kinds of alarm bells in my head. She could have really been a decoy, and was setting me up for a sting, or a robbery or whatever. Normally I would have politely declined. But Cooky’s report lessened my fear considerably that this wouldn’t happen. Often I am the provider of such valuable intel, regardless how much some of you flamers tend to differ. However, today I was the recipient. I felt comfortable accepting her offer to go to her place. I figured it would be a lot nicer than a 10 spot house, and I was right about that. I also figured it would be fairly convenient, and I was right about that too. I also figured that I could be nice and add what I would have spent on a nice motel room, in addition to a tip, if “Andrea” proved to be an excellent date. I was sorta right about that. You will see what I mean.

On the way we negotiated. “Andrea” told me what she advertises on-line, (not that she fucks for money; but if she did fuck me just because she likes to, hey, I might be a nice guy, and the whole deal could be a friend with benefits arrangement :D) She said she comes out on the K when her internet business is slow. I told her flat out that I wasn’t interested in her internet deal. She was on the Ave and Ave customs would prevail. I would go for a normal K arrangement plus tip, if warranted. If that wasn’t acceptable I would drop her back at her corner. She allowed that it was a slow day, or she wouldn’t be out here otherwise, and I seemed like a really decent guy, so that would be OK. She also said she loved to pose for pics, and had some cute outfits to wear when we got to her place.

We arrived at “Andrea’s” place. It was a dicey neighborhood on a very narrow street. I had to park up on the sidewalk to allow cars to get past without hitting me. In the absence of having read Cooky’s intel, I think I may have deep-sixed the date right there. When we got inside, the upstairs “neighbor” came to the top of the stairs and I recognized her as “Rachel,” also recently reported on by Cooky. I further recognized her as the former “Kylie,” previously reported on a few times in this forum when she was working for a pimp (or maybe she still was; for all I know both “Andrea” and “Rachel’ were working the internet and the Ave for a pimp), and providing service which was sometimes OK and sometimes terrible. “Andrea” said that “Rachel’ also worked on-line in their escort service. I guess it is good that she has gotten out from under her pimp, and has become an entrepreneur, if that is, in fact, the case. Cooky’s report and photo spread indicates that at least he got her on a good day. My first hand experience with Kylie has been all bad, and it has also been reported on as inconsistent by a number of other mongers, but I guess everyone deserves a second chance, so let’s see if her rep can be repaired and continue to be good. She was smart enough at least to change her working name, because she certainly had trashed her SW reputation as "Kylie."

“Andrea” couldn’t get in her place, and then realized that she had locked her keys inside. This would have also normally had me bolting the hell out of there, and thinking it was a set-up. However, as it was, I was just thinking that SWs, whether entrepreneurial or not, weren’t rocket scientists, not that we ever thought any differently. She called her ”landlord,” and he said he would be “right over” to give her a spare key. I should have known that “right over” was the same as airline speak for “slight delay.” Almost 45 minutes later this joker shows up with a spare for her to open the door. As an aside, he seemed very much like a pimp to me. He didn’t get out of his car. He strangely parked half-way down the street, and was doing his level best to stay well out of sight. His car was a pimped-up ride if ever I saw one. The only upside was that "Andrea" and I had a chance to have a conversation while waiting. She may be dumb enough to lock in her keys, but she seemed to have a head on her shoulders otherwise. She said her apartment used to be a store, and one could see the vestiges of this in the layout, right down to the sliding garage door on the side of the back for deliveries.

When we entered she put on some music, and got dressed in a cute, sexy outfit for pics. She claimed she loved to have pics taken, but, when I was ready to take the naked pics, she just wanted to get into it. My thought was that I would take the pics after the first cup. She knelt at the edge of her bed naked, and worked a rubber onto my cock with her mouth. Her CBJ skills were adequate, but nothing special. I was horny and I got hard in a hurry. She seemed in a rush to fuck, and spread out on her bed and said, “Fuck me, I want it baby.” I liked the dirty talk, but it was so obviously an act. Regardless, I am not one to complain about a dirty talker. She pretty much would say anything I desired, and had some acting talent, so it was all good. She had a thin, lithe body and a tight pussy so having her was the usual treat in fucking a spinner.

She got a phone call after the first cup, and it was a date from her internet ad. He was coming off 95, and needed directions. She said he would be there in about 30 minutes, so we would have to “hurry,” for the second cup. She knew I wanted more than one, because we had talked about it, but she clearly did not have a clue that shoving me aside for this internet date, and having me “hurry,” was going to be a downer for me, and cut into my usual generosity for a tip, and maybe lessen my desire to see her again. That’s another thing I don’t like about internet pros. It’s ALL about the roses (hey, that can also be the case with usual street pickups as well, but I have had better sexual experiences there than with internet pros), and they think they can manipulate you because they think they have become good at it. Well some guys are OK with that and some guys aren’t. It isn’t like I think too much of myself. It’s not a matter of ego. She isn’t my damn gf. It’s business both ways. I am a customer. She agreed to something, and she should see it through, and tell the other guy to wait. I recognize that she has a business to run, but she was cutting our time short for some internet sucker with a previously unplanned appointment. Hey, it’s business, but I don’t have to like it, and I don’t have to be a sucker too, and be a generous tipper. That’s another reason why I prefer the exclusive multiple-hour, multiple-cup experience with a good street pick-up. You don’t have to put up with any shit like this.

Anyway, she sucked me hard, and we fucked again, and I got a few naked pics at the end, but the guy who called must have broken land speed records to get there from 95. He called and said he was just a few blocks away. So I quickly got dressed, and left, with no tip for “Andrea.” The sucker who was driving there was going to be on the clock for a considerable premium to my arrangement. So, there was at least some justice and satisfaction in that. By a different name and venue this gal was available to me for less than half her internet deal, and perhaps the penalty for that is having to be yesterday’s news when she gets a call from an internet sucker.

Ratings? Face: 4 ½ stars (pretty/cute and almost 5 stars); Body: 4 ½ stars (the overall body was vintage spinner and the ass and pussy were superb; slight deduction for smallish sagging tits); BJ: 4 stars (above average but I have had a lot better); Fucking: 4 ½ stars (nice little package to fuck, but, again, not perfect); Attitude: 4 stars (pleasant enough, but having the interruption was a downer; c’est la vie ); Overall: 4 stars; Repeatable? Only if we establish firm ground rules beforehand: Ave rates, of course; no more rude internet date interruptions, and lots more pic taking, because, regardless of any of my complaints or her shortcomings, this gal CAN pose and fuck!) YMMV