Agree with you Byron 100 percent
[QUOTE=ByronDee;2318145]GFE is the most over used term on this board. IMHO no DFK and no CIM is not GFE. We need a new a new term, maybe call it BFE, from the mans prospective, mandatory dfk, DATY, and CIM.[/QUOTE]Also PSE is everything including bback whether the ladies like that definition or not PSE is the ultimate in play JMO GFE is whatever your GF would do to keep her man on the leash.
Dawn gives a wonderful performance
[QUOTE=JoeBogus;2316802]Had the pleasure of trying out this duo pair recently at Molly's fun / play location. I have seen Molly once before and had a good time, but had not seen Dawn. I thought the duo Molly mentioned in one of her ads sounded like a good idea.
As might be expected, Molly and I clicked, but try as I might, I couldn't get quite comfortable with Dawn. She has a nice body, but is pierced everywhere. For someone who loves boob play as I do, the nipple piercings were a problem.
Anyway, I was able to enjoy my first duo with two great women. Had a nice RCG with Dawn but couldn't make other positions work as well. However, Molly enjoyed a particularly enthusiastic CG but finally finished me off with a way-to-rough BBBJ.
I think in the future I'll stick to one on one sessions with Molly.[/QUOTE]I had a spectacular experience with Dawn and haven't had the pleasure of seeing Molly.
Yet I think in some ways they may be similar, in that, they both offer their performance. Their Art!
Not "what would you like" ladies, but rather. Come see me for who I am.
When your on Broadway, you might enjoy a performance of "Wicked" one day and "Mamma Mia" the next but it would be quite difficult to enjoy both at the same viewing!
Molly- pardon me if I have misread you. I know you have limited seating but I would like someday to enjoy your performance.
And Dawn it is time for another viewing!
Is the Z Girls no longer?
Been trying all morning with no response! This has never happened before!! Always responded before.
Your both wrong and right
[QUOTE=ByronDee;2318145]GFE is the most over used term on this board. IMHO no DFK and no CIM is not GFE. We need a new a new term, maybe call it BFE, from the mans prospective, mandatory DFK, DATY, and CIM.[/QUOTE]It is well been known that GFE includes everything a GF does with her BF and of course as we all know this can very depending on the GF you are involved with. Obviously LFK, DFK, BBBJ, DATY, Cuddling, and all the things we did with a GF before we all got married. Some GF's that I had before I got married did not like CIM. Some would with spit. Some would with swallow. Some would with kissing (snowballing). Not everyone of them was the same. I only had one GF that liked Greek. In all cases my GF's and I used a cover until the relationship was monogamous. Sometimes even when it was, we still used a cover because it was our decision for birth control. So what is a GFE as it relates to this board. No doubt it is the following main 6 items: LFK, DFK, BBBJ, DATY, CFS, and Cuddling etc. As far as CIM, it will vary depending on if she likes it and if she is open to it then it would include some type (spit, swallow, kiss etc.). I don't think Greek or BBFS is GFE and I believe most would agree even as defined on this board or the hobby. If a provider advertises GFE and does allow the 6 main items then she is not GFE in my opinion and probably most on this board.
[QUOTE=PuntangMan;2318168]Also PSE is everything including bback whether the ladies like that definition or not PSE is the ultimate in play JMO GFE is whatever your GF would do to keep her man on the leash.[/QUOTE]Sorry you are dead wrong. PSE does not automatically mean BBFS. I don't care how long or who you are seeing, PSE is an experience that is like a porn star and BBFS is not on the menu. Guess what, many porn stars still use a cover to protect them. I think PSE includes everything GFE plus COF, COB, Russian, reaming, CIM with swallow, drooling, etc. It also means noisy fast "Do Me like you have never done me before" type of attitude. Many porn stars don't do Greek so don't expect it but it is normally assumed that it is included. I have been with 4 porn stars throughout the hobby career and none allowed BBFS. Only one would consider it if I had been tested for STD's, primarily HIV, herpes, Gonorrhea, syphilis, Chlamydia and hepatitis. Lucy Fire one of the hottest freckled porn stars in the provider business states clearly on her website. "PSE does not mean BBFS" See link below.
[URL]http://lucyfire.wix.com/lucyfire[/URL]
So Puntang Man I and many others disagree with your analysis. We all have had incidents where it happened or almost happened, which is not my point here. It's the regular searching, asking, seeking and wanting BBFS from providers like you do. It's not that I don't trust how clean you are, but if a provider is doing BB with you then who else are they doing it with that are risky? I once knew a hobbyist that told providers that if they did BBFS with him, he wouldn't see anyone else, only them. Guess what, he told this to at least four providers I know. Guess they were all special, huh? I am not willing to take your risks but you have fun, just send me a PM of the ones who allow you BBFS, that way I know who to avoid.
FF.
P.S. I love a BBBJCIM from freckled faced providers.
BBFS is the choice of the man and the woman involved
[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;2318386]It is well been known that GFE includes everything a GF does with her BF and of course as we all know this can very depending on the GF you are involved with. Obviously LFK, DFK, BBBJ, DATY, Cuddling, and all the things we did with a GF before we all got married. Some GF's that I had before I got married did not like CIM. Some would with spit. Some would with swallow. Some would with kissing (snowballing). Not everyone of them was the same. I only had one GF that liked Greek. In all cases my GF's and I used a cover until the relationship was monogamous. Sometimes even when it was, we still used a cover because it was our decision for birth control. So what is a GFE as it relates to this board. No doubt it is the following main 6 items: LFK, DFK, BBBJ, DATY, CFS, and Cuddling etc. As far as CIM, it will vary depending on if she likes it and if she is open to it then it would include some type (spit, swallow, kiss etc.). I don't think Greek or BBFS is GFE and I believe most would agree even as defined on this board or the hobby. If a provider advertises GFE and does allow the 6 main items then she is not GFE in my opinion and probably most on this board.
Sorry you are dead wrong. PSE does not automatically mean BBFS. I don't care how long or who you are seeing, PSE is an experience that is like a porn star and BBFS is not on the menu. Guess what, many porn stars still use a cover to protect them. I think PSE includes everything GFE plus COF, COB, Russian, reaming, CIM with swallow, drooling, etc. It also means noisy fast "Do Me like you have never done me before" type of attitude. Many porn stars don't do Greek so don't expect it but it is normally assumed that it is included. I have been with 4 porn stars throughout the hobby career and none allowed BBFS. Only one would consider it if I had been tested for STD's, primarily HIV, herpes, Gonorrhea, syphilis, Chlamydia and hepatitis. Lucy Fire one of the hottest freckled porn stars in the provider business states clearly on her website. "PSE does not mean BBFS" See link below.
[URL]http://lucyfire.wix.com/lucyfire[/URL]
So Puntang Man I and many others disagree with your analysis. We all have had incidents where it happened or almost happened, which is not my point here. It's the regular searching, asking, seeking and wanting BBFS from providers like you do. It's not that I don't trust how clean you are, but if a provider is doing BB with you then who else are they doing it with that are risky? I once knew a hobbyist that told providers that if they did BBFS with him, he wouldn't see anyone else, only them. Guess what, he told this to at least four providers I know. Guess they were all special, huh? I am not willing to take your risks but you have fun, just send me a PM of the ones who allow you BBFS, that way I know who to avoid.
FF.
P.S. I love a BBBJCIM from freckled faced providers.[/QUOTE]IF we accept the premise that we are safe because we get tested as many claim to do then it becomes a matter of choice of the parties No man worth his salt is going to tell you who he has been with that way It is her choice and discretion in any sexual activity is paramount READ THIS CLOSELY. When a provider asks a person what he likes and he lays it out DOES NOT MEAN THAT IS WHAT SHE WILL DO. If a lady does not want to know DON"T ASK. IF SHE DOESN'T WANT TO DO IT DON'T DO IT! More importantly most PSE men do NOT WEAR COVERS BECAUSE OF THE STRINGENT TESTING THEY DO. LA just passed a condom law for the porn industry and many large porn companies are leavingbecause of it Doesn't make it right just saying the industry regulates itself and has a significantly lower STD rate than the general population. If all men and women in this tested regularly there would be little to fear IMHO. FF I respect you but keep your fking judgements to yourself. You don't know me and I have been in this for over three decades and have NEVER caught anything. I know how to take care of myself and apparently know how to pick my women. If women in this are afraid for themselves and their families choose another profession. NO one needs to do this for a living. So do what is best for you covered or uncovered. I have only known a VERY FEW who have caught ghon, Chlamydia, or syphillis and none with HIV Only herpes and HIV have NO CURE and if you ask an honest doctor they will tell you the last two are the only two they worry about. There is also a new vaccine coming out going through trials that supposedly controls or cures herpes. DON'T assume anything FF or any other client. Unless you know for sure you are pointing a finger at yourself in a mirror. PT.
Rattled your cage but you miss the point
[QUOTE=PuntangMan;2318478]When a provider asks a person what he likes and he lays it out DOES NOT MEAN THAT IS WHAT SHE WILL DO. If a lady does not want to know DON"T ASK. IF SHE DOESN'T WANT TO DO IT DON'T DO IT! More importantly most PSE men do NOT WEAR COVERS BECAUSE OF THE STRINGENT TESTING THEY DO. DON'T assume anything FF or any other client. Unless you know for sure you are pointing a finger at yourself in a mirror. PT.[/QUOTE]You and I have discussed this before and we both disagree with each other which is fine. You have your opinion I have mine. My point was and still is a provider who advertises PSE does NOT automatically mean BBFS as you suggest anymore than GFE means CIM. I have known GFE providers who were willing to go BBFS once they knew you, so does that make them PSE, NO! As always everyone has a choice, you choose BBFS, I choose freckles. PSE does not mean BBFS anymore than your false statement of "Most PSE men do not wear covers". I am a PSE man and many of my hobbyist friends are PSE men and we all wear covers so we are more likely in the "most" PSE men category. PSE in hobby terms does not make us porn stars. Porn stars get tested because the industry requires them to do so. Male porn stars get paid, I don't when I am with a provider who is PSE. Just remember some things fit in categories some don't.
GFE is as I described.
PSE is as I described.
Greek is anal.
Fetishes are fetishes.
BBFS is by choice, depending on the individuals, the two parties involved and is NOT a determining definition of either GFE or PSE.
I looked in the mirror today and saw no fingers pointing at myself, did you?
FF.
P.S. All I saw in the mirror today was a hot redheaded freckled lady giving me a BBBJ. I love mirrors above my bed!
I said most Porn Men in the industry
[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;2318563]You and I have discussed this before and we both disagree with each other which is fine. You have your opinion I have mine. My point was and still is a provider who advertises PSE does NOT automatically mean BBFS as you suggest anymore than GFE means CIM. I have known GFE providers who were willing to go BBFS once they knew you, so does that make them PSE, NO! As always everyone has a choice, you choose BBFS, I choose freckles. PSE does not mean BBFS anymore than your false statement of "Most PSE men do not wear covers". I am a PSE man and many of my hobbyist friends are PSE men and we all wear covers so we are more likely in the "most" PSE men category. PSE in hobby terms does not make us porn stars. Porn stars get tested because the industry requires them to do so. Male porn stars get paid, I don't when I am with a provider who is PSE. Just remember some things fit in categories some don't.
GFE is as I described.
PSE is as I described.
Greek is anal.
Fetishes are fetishes.
BBFS is by choice, depending on the individuals, the two parties involved and is NOT a determining definition of either GFE or PSE.
I looked in the mirror today and saw no fingers pointing at myself, did you?
FF.
P.S. All I saw in the mirror today was a hot redheaded freckled lady giving me a BBBJ. I love mirrors above my bed![/QUOTE]Do not wear covers due to industry regulation. Not men who enjoy PSE. The rest is subject to disagreement but in spite of all that I like ya anyway LOL.
One thing we probably agree on is
[QUOTE=PuntangMan;2318571]Do not wear covers due to industry regulation. Not men who enjoy PSE. The rest is subject to disagreement but in spite of all that I like ya anyway LOL.[/QUOTE]I think WE should be paid for our ability to act the part in a PSE hobby experience! Any providers out there want to comply? LOL.
FF.
P.S. You would have to have freckles if your going to pay me!