Rants, Raves, and Stupid Tinfoil Hat Wearing Conspiracy Bullshit

[QUOTE=JoeLooking;3247930]Making sure a guy has a decent grasp on whatever language you prefer to speak as well as the money to pay is all the screening you really need. Having a "good" job does not mean a guy will perform better or not get rough with you. Knowing where a guy works will not prevent you from being raped. I have no problems saying what field I work in and answering questions related to that field but I'll never hand over personal information because it's not relevant nor is it in my best interest. Hell race shouldn't even be an issue.

On the other side of the coin we as consumers absolutely have the right to screen and get personal in doing it because we are buying a service. Most people check yelp before going to restaurants and screening sex workers via conversation or forums like this is no different.[/QUOTE]If we just accepted everyone who used proper language and had the money to pay (which how would you know they wouldn't rip you off if you didn't screen anyways?) than inevitably we would run into some problems. I'm not quite sure what Mistress Scorpio is talking about in terms of performance and screening but I've never been robbed, raped, assaulted or arrested during my 6 years in this biz. When I screen I generally want to know (a) are you LE and (b) are you a violent person? I don't a person's job info to figure this out. Do you have references or a review handle? Do you have a BL or history under the number you use? If I can get your name off your number does it match up with the info you gave me and is there any mugshots on google when I look it up? I'll find a way to work with you but if you can't give me anything but your word I won't see you. Yes it is you paying me but when you google my number you will find many reviews on 3+ sites, old ads, a website and social media. There would be no reason to look at my personal FB (not that you could). I suspect you are talking about the women you all TOFTT for $60 qvs and 60 bucks really isn't worth the invasion of privacy. Someone below said they wished there was a system where both clients and providers are verified and there is but this board doesn't seem to be a big fan of it. I never understood why men TOFTT when there are plenty of women around here and who travel here with reviews and history. It seems somewhat masochistic to me that a lot of you keep going to women who are drug addicts and provide crappy service (which I understand the need to reveal initials from mugshots for now) .

If there is a known explanation for this occurrence, please post or PM me. Unless there is a really good explanation, this completely kills the credibility of ThEotheR site!

So I recently dreamt of Tastee Taylor. It was a quick lollipop dream but Very enjoyable. I posted a positive review at ThEotheR place. Just today, while perusing ads, I saw her pics in an ad under the name Morganne with a different number. Here is the ad: [URL]http://raleigh.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/919-708-8185-i-what-i-do-morganne/33433582[/URL] Curious, I logged into the other site to see if any crazy reviews or comments were listed on her profile. Low and behold, her entire profile is GONE. I know it's gone because I just left a review within the last 30 days!!

Now I have seen dozens of providers use different names BUT their profiles always showed up if you searched any of the associated names or numbers. In this case, with the profile being completely wiped out, how are we supposed to get accurate reviews of a provider?? If a provider can just delete their profile anytime they want, we will rarely know when they are going down hill, if they are ripping clients off, spreading STD's, if they are on Uncles active radar, etc. This also opens us up to calling a number that we "think" is a verified provider but in fact could be anybody answering!

Any explanations, thoughts or comments? They would be greatly appreciated!

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I'm not saying you're wrong, your business, your body, your choice. I'm saying you can't post it even on the fight thread

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Good call, Buki1.

I think MZ's business picked up and now she has promoted herself to Queen Of All I Survey.

S.

[QUOTE=Buki1;3247664]Point fucking blank, we are simply smarter than you and do better research. Point fucking blank, Hun. Your reasoning skills need a complete overhaul. Did you actually read what you wrote? I think not or you would likely be embarrassed.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NikkororCanon;3248399]If there is a known explanation for this occurrence, please post or PM me. Unless there is a really good explanation, this completely kills the credibility of ThEotheR site!

So I recently dreamt of Tastee Taylor. It was a quick lollipop dream but Very enjoyable. I posted a positive review at ThEotheR place. Just today, while perusing ads, I saw her pics in an ad under the name Morganne with a different number. Here is the ad: [URL]http://raleigh.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/919-708-8185-i-what-i-do-morganne/33433582[/URL] Curious, I logged into the other site to see if any crazy reviews or comments were listed on her profile. Low and behold, her entire profile is GONE. I know it's gone because I just left a review within the last 30 days!!

Now I have seen dozens of providers use different names BUT their profiles always showed up if you searched any of the associated names or numbers. In this case, with the profile being completely wiped out, how are we supposed to get accurate reviews of a provider?? If a provider can just delete their profile anytime they want, we will rarely know when they are going down hill, if they are ripping clients off, spreading STD's, if they are on Uncles active radar, etc. This also opens us up to calling a number that we "think" is a verified provider but in fact could be anybody answering!

Any explanations, thoughts or comments? They would be greatly appreciated![/QUOTE]You can delist from that site. Not everyone wants reviews I guess but it's definitely a bad business move on her part.

[QUOTE=NikkororCanon;3248399]If there is a known explanation for this occurrence, please post or PM me. Unless there is a really good explanation, this completely kills the credibility of ThEotheR site!

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Any explanations, thoughts or comments? They would be greatly appreciated![/QUOTE]ThE otheR site allows providers to "de-list" themselves. If they actively opt-out, no reviews can be posted and previous history is not available. I believe they can opt back in, at which point their previous history is visible again. Although I don't know if reviews posted while they were opted out become visible at that point.

I visited massage Cynthia 2 years ago and could not review her then for this reason, but her profile is up now with some gaps in the timeline before and after my visit. Now that I think about it, I don't see the review I tried to leave.

[QUOTE=Bone1986;3248816]ThE otheR site allows providers to "de-list" themselves. If they actively opt-out, no reviews can be posted and previous history is not available. I believe they can opt back in, at which point their previous history is visible again. Although I don't know if reviews posted while they were opted out become visible at that point.

I visited massage Cynthia 2 years ago and could not review her then for this reason, but her profile is up now with some gaps in the timeline before and after my visit. Now that I think about it, I don't see the review I tried to leave.[/QUOTE]You are exactly correct. I noticed that her profile is back up tonight! But there are 2 reviews missing. I left her sixth review. Tonight, there are only 4. Makes me very leary about a provider in this situation. Thanks for your input Bone.

[QUOTE=Dirk63;3247719]I don't post often, but I feel compelled to throw in on this one. Good points made by both sides!

From my viewpoint (client, customer, monger, etc) I'm gambling every time I contact a girl from backpage. I don't know if she is going to look like the photos in the ad, I don't know if she'll try to rip me off and I don't know if I'm driving across town only to bail once I get there to check out the situation. So, yes I'd like to know as much as I can about the person on the phone before I start driving.

From your view point, I'm sure you and other girls have many of the same concerns, as well as some with more serious consequences. So I can understand why you'd want to check me out before meeting me. With the client / provider ratio that there is, the law of averages says that you're going to get more flakes than I will.

In Asia, the girls in a given area, or even in the same city, have a network almost like a mafia. If you mess one of them around, you're toast and word will l fast. In a few European countries, sex work is sanctioned by the government and the girls have recourse if a client does them wrong. In these places, the girls work openly, it's looked at no differently than being a sales clerk or a plumber. We get to meet the girls in public first, and check each other out. Here, we've got LE induced fear, mixed with a low public opinion of sex workers and their clients, so everything stays hidden and meetings are setup under sketchy circumstances. The laws that we have concerning sex for money don't protect either side, contrarily they make everything more difficult all the way around.

It would be great if we could come up with a way to verify the good people in this "hobby", on both sides of the money. Until the laws get changed, and I don't hold my breath on that, everyone has to accept the risks that come with the gamble. Risk giving up some info to get some info, risk a little vulnerability to gain a little security. Bottom line if you can't trust somebody with a little personal information, don't fuck them. Meet for a drink, for a coffee, for lunch, for a quick chat, whatever. We'll both be more comfortable, and have a better time in bed for it. Meeting on the phone and going straight from there to the bedroom leads to way too much apprehension and anxiety to make things enjoyable. Face to face screenings are the best way.

That's the end of my rant, thanks for listening.[/QUOTE]I agree. Being able to meet and chit-chat beforehand as practiced in in civilized countries (for instance, every other hotel bar in SE Asia, or Germany's FKK clubs) is pleasant, useful and exciting. But I certainly refuse to use mechanisms like facebook or phone to exchange personal information, due to a different kind of safety concern: Facebook is designed to exfiltrate our personal data and is run by a creep, and all social media and phone communications are generally accessible to LE, who have given themselves the right and the means to capture and store everything. And as I am more interested in finding repeat connections, I welcome meeting in a bar / cafe or other public place, at my expense, where I will reveal as much personal information as I'm comfortable with. Of course, hardly anyone on BP takes me up on that; the couple times I suggested it, I was turned down. I'm not sure why that is: perhaps providers think that they are going to be busy around the clock and this would be a waste of time, or they don't trust themselves to be discreet in a public setting.

[QUOTE=Prurient6;3249185]I agree. Being able to meet and chit-chat beforehand as practiced in in civilized countries (for instance, every other hotel bar in SE Asia, or Germany's FKK clubs) is pleasant, useful and exciting. But I certainly refuse to use mechanisms like facebook or phone to exchange personal information, due to a different kind of safety concern: Facebook is designed to exfiltrate our personal data and is run by a creep, and all social media and phone communications are generally accessible to LE, who have given themselves the right and the means to capture and store everything. And as I am more interested in finding repeat connections, I welcome meeting in a bar / cafe or other public place, at my expense, where I will reveal as much personal information as I'm comfortable with. Of course, hardly anyone on BP takes me up on that; the couple times I suggested it, I was turned down. I'm not sure why that is: perhaps providers think that they are going to be busy around the clock and this would be a waste of time, or they don't trust themselves to be discreet in a public setting.[/QUOTE]I'll have to admit I'll never meet some for the first time in a public setting. I have friends in the area who don't know what I do and I don't want to run the risk of bumping into them while being in what would probably look like an unlikely pairing. My main reason though is I generally don't like being in public and meeting a client for the first time is awkward so pairing the two would probably give me an anxiety attack.

You are reasonably well spoken, but speak nonsense more than anything. I shouldn't have even dignified your silly post with a response.

[QUOTE=MistressZodiac;3248277]I know you would like to believe that the amount of research on both sides has nothing to do with performance but it does. You said after a few times of seeing someone you can better mild to eachother and the motion in the ocean gets better. Now let's think in terms of the first meeting. If I the provider kno your age, race, occupation I can better grasp what kind of man you are. I require voice calls to confirm the information I have in my screening process. Now having a provider as a refrence allowsme to know your not a cop. Your other requirements allow me to kno your demographic. Each grouping of individuals has specific needs and wants. It's called phsycology ans socialogy. Even though you perseve me to be a dumb little girl shows me that you want to write my knowledge off as irrelevant based on your ego. I don't feel dumb or stupid for knowing more about the functioning of Jimmy under stress. That's why you gent' research is so much. You "have shit to lose". So do we as providers. If you want to believe that only clients should research providers then you clearly don't see the whole open trade market. We can refuse service at any time to anyone. Just like you can always just not see us. But I will point out, the ladies that don't ask those questions have nothing to lose and for you having so much to lose. The balance of safety and respect isn't there. But again respect was never high on. Your list of things to do today. LOL.

MZ.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=InaraIncognito;3248380]If we just accepted everyone who used proper language and had the money to pay (which how would you know they wouldn't rip you off if you didn't screen anyways?) than inevitably we would run into some problems. I'm not quite sure what Mistress Scorpio is talking about in terms of performance and screening but I've never been robbed, raped, assaulted or arrested during my 6 years in this biz. When I screen I generally want to know (a) are you LE and (b) are you a violent person? I don't a person's job info to figure this out. Do you have references or a review handle? Do you have a BL or history under the number you use? If I can get your name off your number does it match up with the info you gave me and is there any mugshots on google when I look it up? I'll find a way to work with you but if you can't give me anything but your word I won't see you. Yes it is you paying me but when you google my number you will find many reviews on 3+ sites, old ads, a website and social media. There would be no reason to look at my personal FB (not that you could). I suspect you are talking about the women you all TOFTT for $60 qvs and 60 bucks really isn't worth the invasion of privacy. Someone below said they wished there was a system where both clients and providers are verified and there is but this board doesn't seem to be a big fan of it. I never understood why men TOFTT when there are plenty of women around here and who travel here with reviews and history. It seems somewhat masochistic to me that a lot of you keep going to women who are drug addicts and provide crappy service (which I understand the need to reveal initials from mugshots for now) .[/QUOTE]I'd have no problem with the screening you describe but there are some sex workers who ask for personal details or photos. In regards to TOFTT, sometimes it's the thrill of something new other times it's because those seemingly better women you described are either nowhere to be found or priced fairly high. I guess that I like many guys on this board have been guilty of seeing sex workers who we know have been crappy before or who we know use drugs. As far as why take the risk I can only speak for myself. For me, unless I'm looking for a good GFE experience (which IMO has become hard to find) I've found very little difference between the 60 qv and the chick who wants 200/ hr but no kissing, everything is covered and so forth. To be completely honest I've met a couple of heroin and coke dealers who had escort customers who were priced on the high end.

[QUOTE=JoeLooking;3250242]I'd have no problem with the screening you describe but there are some sex workers who ask for personal details or photos. In regards to TOFTT, sometimes it's the thrill of something new other times it's because those seemingly better women you described are either nowhere to be found or priced fairly high. I guess that I like many guys on this board have been guilty of seeing sex workers who we know have been crappy before or who we know use drugs. As far as why take the risk I can only speak for myself. For me, unless I'm looking for a good GFE experience (which IMO has become hard to find) I've found very little difference between the 60 qv and the chick who wants 200/ hr but no kissing, everything is covered and so forth. To be completely honest I've met a couple of heroin and coke dealers who had escort customers who were priced on the high end.[/QUOTE]I'm done spending money on the providers who do not kiss. Every thing is covered. The lollipop specials has been the only encounters I partake in at this time!

[QUOTE=JoeLooking;3250242]I'd have no problem with the screening you describe but there are some sex workers who ask for personal details or photos. In regards to TOFTT, sometimes it's the thrill of something new other times it's because those seemingly better women you described are either nowhere to be found or priced fairly high. I guess that I like many guys on this board have been guilty of seeing sex workers who we know have been crappy before or who we know use drugs. As far as why take the risk I can only speak for myself. For me, unless I'm looking for a good GFE experience (which IMO has become hard to find) I've found very little difference between the 60 qv and the chick who wants 200/ hr but no kissing, everything is covered and so forth. To be completely honest I've met a couple of heroin and coke dealers who had escort customers who were priced on the high end.[/QUOTE]Don't you read reviews before you see the ones that are 200/ hr but are not GFE? There are providers out there in that price range who kiss. One would think it would be risky seeing someone who does qvs because of all the traffic coming in and out not to mention the service probably isn't good. Hotels will occasionally call LE if they see too much traffic so anyone who sees a high volume girl is at risk of encountering LE even if they verify the woman is legit. I don't doubt there are high priced women who do drugs but they probably hide it better than the qv girls.

[QUOTE=InaraIncognito;3250825]Don't you read reviews before you see the ones that are 200/ hr but are not GFE? There are providers out there in that price range who kiss. One would think it would be risky seeing someone who does qvs because of all the traffic coming in and out not to mention the service probably isn't good. Hotels will occasionally call LE if they see too much traffic so anyone who sees a high volume girl is at risk of encountering LE even if they verify the woman is legit. I don't doubt there are high priced women who do drugs but they probably hide it better than the qv girls.[/QUOTE]200+/ hr seems to have become the standard for most backpage providers and I don't remember the last time I saw an ad on a site like eros for 200/ hr. I texted someone who advertises on the Raleigh backpage today and she quoted me 180/ hh and 260/ hr and said no GFE. I read reviews (here and on other sites) when available but many including the aforementioned provider don't have reviews. I've learned the hard way to take reviews with a grain of salt especially when it comes to sex workers who don't advertise the services the offer. I get what you mean about the risk but for me the quality in the area has resulted in me generally favoring qv bjs over wasting what in reality is a decent chunk of change for a one and done hh or hour that ends up being a waste. I'm also not sure that as customers we ever really know what type of volume a sex worker is doing so as weird as this is going to sound a lot comes down to a gut feeling when I call, text or show up at the location.

I'm not sure what you charge, where you advertise, what services you offer and so forth but as many of us have mentioned on this board good providers are hard to find. As much as most guys probably don't want to come off as seeming cheap money for most is a limited resource which often leads to having to make compromises.

[QUOTE=JoeLooking;3251468]200+/ hr seems to have become the standard for most backpage providers and I don't remember the last time I saw an ad on a site like eros for 200/ hr. I texted someone who advertises on the Raleigh backpage today and she quoted me 180/ hh and 260/ hr and said no GFE. I read reviews (here and on other sites) when available but many including the aforementioned provider don't have reviews. I've learned the hard way to take reviews with a grain of salt especially when it comes to sex workers who don't advertise the services the offer. I get what you mean about the risk but for me the quality in the area has resulted in me generally favoring qv bjs over wasting what in reality is a decent chunk of change for a one and done hh or hour that ends up being a waste. I'm also not sure that as customers we ever really know what type of volume a sex worker is doing so as weird as this is going to sound a lot comes down to a gut feeling when I call, text or show up at the location.

I'm not sure what you charge, where you advertise, what services you offer and so forth but as many of us have mentioned on this board good providers are hard to find. As much as most guys probably don't want to come off as seeming cheap money for most is a limited resource which often leads to having to make compromises.[/QUOTE]Hmm. Perhaps I should raise my rates then if these girls aren't offering GFE at those rates. I don't really look at other provider's ads.