"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Ok I am back on SA and I just need to vent. Like most everyone else on here I am seeing a ton of GPS women. Also, I really hate how women take a photo for thier profile and it looks like they are skinny. When I finally get them to share private pics and then find out they are huge! To add insult to injury they are asking for a lot of money. I don't want to be mean. I am just not that into big women and I don't appreciate how they try to hind that fact. Come we all know why we are on here LOL. Ok venting complete.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;3606169]Ok I am back on SA and I just need to vent. Like most everyone else on here I am seeing a ton of GPS women. Also, I really hate how women take a photo for thier profile and it looks like they are skinny. When I finally get them to share private pics and then find out they are huge! To add insult to injury they are asking for a lot of money. I don't want to be mean. I am just not that into big women and I don't appreciate how they try to hind that fact. Come we all know why we are on here LOL. Ok venting complete.[/QUOTE]I check "slim" and "athletic" ONLY. So far so good.

[QUOTE=Tidad;3605661]Has anyone encountered this one yet? She seems super grounded but I'm looking for more information. If you've been there, PM me.[/QUOTE]I met her 6 months ago and talked for a few minutes, never spent any quality time with her. I saw her in a restaurant one evening she texted hello but stayed away did not approach me, she seems cool and professional. About a month ago I received a text from her phone, someone saying they were her mother and that she was coming after me for giving drugs to her daughter she was on a ventilator at the hospital. I assume mom was texting everyone on her daughters phone.

Just heard back from this one: but she seems TGTBT. Anyone know her? PM me.

[QUOTE=Tidad;3607095]Just heard back from this one: but she seems TGTBT. Anyone know her? PM me.[/QUOTE]What name is she on SA under. Looks a lot like one I have connected with.

[QUOTE=Tidad;3607095]Just heard back from this one: but she seems TGTBT. Anyone know her? PM me.[/QUOTE]So I can't confirm but I think this chick has been talked about before. I remember vaguely reading negative reports. If she is the one I am thinking of I did see go out on one date with her and she seemed really nice but when I found out who she was I didn't pursue any further. Sorry for being so vague but she does look familiar. Again, I can't remember her name. Something like Hailey or something like that.

She resembles Veronica who used to be on the site, seen her several times one of ATF, she also might be Hailey as well. Thought she stopped being an SB, did not see her on the site.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;3607331]So I can't confirm but I think this chick has been talked about before. I remember vaguely reading negative reports. If she is the one I am thinking of I did see go out on one date with her and she seemed really nice but when I found out who she was I didn't pursue any further. Sorry for being so vague but she does look familiar. Again, I can't remember her name. Something like Hailey or something like that.[/QUOTE]

AS anyone been in contact with Uncomplicated123 on SA. Was thinking about reaching out to her. Looks very hot!

[QUOTE=Ltnric;3607331]So I can't confirm but I think this chick has been talked about before. I remember vaguely reading negative reports. If she is the one I am thinking of I did see go out on one date with her and she seemed really nice but when I found out who she was I didn't pursue any further. Sorry for being so vague but she does look familiar. Again, I can't remember her name. Something like Hailey or something like that.[/QUOTE]Texted back and forth on another site.

She wanted $100 for a meet and greet.

Needless to say I took a pass.

She looks alot like another that is named Hailey.

Might be name coincidence.

The other? Hailey was a waste of time.

Wanted to meet but had lots of excuses for each time.

Then blocked me when I was busy and was out of pocket for a while.

If I cannot get to m&g in 2 weeks I consider them not serious.

And roll along.

[QUOTE=BaldEagle;3606889]I met her 6 months ago and talked for a few minutes, never spent any quality time with her. I saw her in a restaurant one evening she texted hello but stayed away did not approach me, she seems cool and professional. About a month ago I received a text from her phone, someone saying they were her mother and that she was coming after me for giving drugs to her daughter she was on a ventilator at the hospital. I assume mom was texting everyone on her daughters phone.[/QUOTE]We had planned to meet for drinks in Williamsburg last Friday at 6 pm but I had to notify her at 3 pm I needed to cancel due to a business emergency. She immediately replied to me with "OK! No problem" . Prior to that we had been texting for less than a week. I wonder if I was being set up or if someone at her house, perhaps her child or baby daddy was cock blocking Tidad?

It had been more than a year ago when my SB, named Mary, quit me for about the 5th time, as she was living with her parents and under some kind of surveillance, allegedly. Still, we stayed in touch by email. We had dinner twice and she asked me for money twice; I said "no" and didn't explain why but basically I'm not going to be a platonic SD, I have already too many platonic benefactors. I can barely afford to be a SD anyway, much less platonic! I like her, though, because she is intelligent, complicated, and a little weird like me. I'm a good listener and she likes to talk. Although I didn't explain it to her, I felt like she was a kind of therapy for me.

So I didn't think too much when we had our 3rd dinner in 13 months. But then I knew something was different when she came up to me and kissed me on the lips and hugged me. During dinner she told that she had moved out from her parents, had some random roomates, was struggling in a low-wage job, and was eager to be intimate with me. I guess she needed money and was too scared to place an ad on SD4 M (where I had met her) or SA. So, we've been together for a month now. I'm a little better off financially, having recovered. I'm not as enthusiastic as the first time. She also seems to be more modest and calm this time. I like her, but it won't bother me too much if she ends it again. It either continues on terms I can afford, or it does not. Like the Jim Morrison lyric: the future is uncertain and the end is always near.

[QUOTE=Snake27;3609989]It had been more than a year ago when my SB, named Mary, quit me for about the 5th time, as she was living with her parents and under some kind of surveillance, allegedly. Still, we stayed in touch by email. We had dinner twice and she asked me for money twice; I said "no" and didn't explain why but basically I'm not going to be a platonic SD, I have already too many platonic benefactors. I can barely afford to be a SD anyway, much less platonic! ...[/QUOTE]I meant "beneficiaries" -- people in my life who expect or want my money but I don't have sex with them. It's funny how that leaves little room in the budget for a SB.

I was wondering if anyone ever used craigslist with success to find a SB? It seems like there's a lot of untapped potential here, the ads are free and there may be a big audience. However, most of the M4 W ads are very creepy (a lot of dick pics) and I really wonder, do those work? Well, maybe they do work or there wouldn't be so many, but most women I know would not even consider it. I tried a few times but got 98% spam and 2% mismatches to what I was wanting. I concluded it was a waste of time, even though placing an ad is free. Maybe others know a secret?

Yes she did at one time appear grounded, but if you look at the progression of the pics going from a dress over time to sweats... one starts to see the potential for damage usually caused by drug addiction.

[QUOTE=Tidad;3605661]Has anyone encountered this one yet? She seems super grounded but I'm looking for more information. If you've been there, PM me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Snake27;3610073]I meant "beneficiaries" -- people in my life who expect or want my money but I don't have sex with them. It's funny how that leaves little room in the budget for a SB.

I was wondering if anyone ever used craigslist with success to find a SB? It seems like there's a lot of untapped potential here, the ads are free and there may be a big audience. However, most of the M4 W ads are very creepy (a lot of dick pics) and I really wonder, do those work? Well, maybe they do work or there wouldn't be so many, but most women I know would not even consider it. I tried a few times but got 98% spam and 2% mismatches to what I was wanting. I concluded it was a waste of time, even though placing an ad is free. Maybe others know a secret?[/QUOTE]I think this experience is very specific to your local area. I have a bowl brother in suburban Atlanta who has success there. You also have to be really careful. As I have posted, I am not on SA right now, and the quality of women there is outstanding, but also they can be very expensive. That is why I am on CL. You do have to have a lot of patience w / getting spam and clickbait on CL. You can run an ad, or you can reply to them. Again, as has been posted here and there lately, you can find girls fishing for SDs in a lot of CL areas, like panty sellers, or in the resumes / gigs sections, or in casual encounters. Just be aware of how many of those ads are just looking to get your email or your cell # so that they can send you spam. I always go through some verification through the CL mail system before providing those.

[QUOTE=Snake27;3610073]I meant "beneficiaries" -- people in my life who expect or want my money but I don't have sex with them. It's funny how that leaves little room in the budget for a SB.

I was wondering if anyone ever used craigslist with success to find a SB? It seems like there's a lot of untapped potential here, the ads are free and there may be a big audience. However, most of the M4 W ads are very creepy (a lot of dick pics) and I really wonder, do those work? Well, maybe they do work or there wouldn't be so many, but most women I know would not even consider it. I tried a few times but got 98% spam and 2% mismatches to what I was wanting. I concluded it was a waste of time, even though placing an ad is free. Maybe others know a secret?[/QUOTE]There have been SDs through here who had good luck on CL. I tried it once about 6 years ago, and placed ads making clear that I was looking for a sugar baby (I'm not sure CL lets you advertise so bluntly these days). I got a variety of interesting responses, but there was a lot of spam (I. E. People who did not read my requirements carefully enough about including a pic with their response, and a "special keyword" in the subject line so I could know they actually read the ad and differentiate from spam). There were a few interesting responses but I think all of them were below my standard looks-wise and not as good as the girls I was already getting dates with and banging without sugar. In retrospect what's odd is that none of them seemed like UTRs or BP girls. This surprised me because I figured CL would attract a lot of escorts or want to be escorts. One was a bank teller fresh out of college, one was a late 20's owner of a yoga studio, etc. None of them had seen a picture of me, they were replying sight unseen.

Around the same time I me a girl on [URL]match.com[/URL] who was very sexual, but she didn't want money -- she really wanted someone who could get her a job or help her career get started. She was one of those spoiled daddy's girls who had somehow ended up with a masters degree without ever having learned any actual skill that would give her a foot in the door to get a job. I was already fucking her (for nothing more than occasional dinner and clubbing) when an actual job opportunity that she would fit opened up under my direction at work. When I knew the position was coming, I sent her the requirements just because I liked the idea of the danger involved in fucking someone reporting to me at work (it's a very bad idea and I don't recommend mixing SBs with professional concerns at all). But the image in my mind of her blowing me under the desk was just too much. So I gave her a small research assignment to see if she would be remotely useful if I hired her. It wasn't long before it became clear that if I hired her, she would not take any initiative or do anything worthwhile at all, she would rely 100% on me to teach her things. Since I was already teaching her the kind of things I wanted to, I just told her we hired someone else. Plus it brought me to my senses about mixing business with pleasure.

So I never got an SB from CL. I found the civy dating sites to be plenty effective, if trying the less traveled roads -- its just a matter of finding the young ones who are open to older guys (some actually prefer them). Finding them is a lot of work, but then so are the SD sites if looking for quality. Some have said CL is one of their best tools, so your mileage may vary.

I meet her one time and had a nice dream withe her. Go the same text message from her mother. She partied a little too much with her friends and got something laced with something that as not too cool. She is okay for a good time.

Just came here to share couple observations!

I recently renewed my SA subscription to fill-up my quiver for the winter. LOL. Overall, I was super excited by the quality of SBs hitting the pool on a daily basis. I was also thrilled by the positive communication and eagerness to share their personal phone numbers. There ends most of the excitement. I have also been noticing that several SBs die out as fast as they come like the fire flies. What I mean is I find many just delete their account even as we were just having an interesting chat conversation. I am like a fool wondering WTF happened just now. So Today I connected with a hot 18 yo SB that just joined today. Soon we exchanged numbers and exchanged pics on the phone and agreed to have a M&G in the coming week. Then I go back to find out that she deleted her SA account. My hypothesis here is that true SBs don't like to deal with multiple potential SDs for long. Once they identify a suitable partner they go dark on the rest. I'm thinking the SBs who went dark on me is bcoz they found someone even while we were chatting. And, I'm hoping this SB shut down the account because of me. LOL. But, still I don't get it as we have not yet met or agreed on any specific allowances. Senior SDs! Whats your take on this mindset?

Another puzzling behavior pattern is there's a bunch of SBs who are simply connected to me on the phone. They will also communicate once every several days like 'hey' or 'how are you' and we will chat for a few until they go cold again. And, every time I push them for a M&G they bail out with an excuse. Or commit to sometime later. Which they will not keep up. They even share random pics out of the blue once in a while. I am clueless as to what they get out of this really? And, I'm clueless wondering if this is also part of SB mindset. Their idea of sharing something with a SD stranger?!

So bottomline my conversion rates from initial communication on SA to personal Text communication to M&G is pathetic. Obviously not counting FC that's super pathetic!

Perhaps I am missing some key communication. After engaging them at Texting. I need inputs as to how not to let it drift into a multi-day / week chat session.

[QUOTE=Lebruno;3611093]Just came here to share couple observations!

Another puzzling behavior pattern is there's a bunch of SBs who are simply connected to me on the phone. They will also communicate once every several days like 'hey' or 'how are you' and we will chat for a few until they go cold again. And, every time I push them for a M&G they bail out with an excuse. Or commit to sometime later. Which they will not keep up. They even share random pics out of the blue once in a while. I am clueless as to what they get out of this really? And, I'm clueless wondering if this is also part of SB mindset. Their idea of sharing something with a SD stranger?!

So bottomline my conversion rates from initial communication on SA to personal Text communication to M&G is pathetic. Obviously not counting FC that's super pathetic!

Perhaps I am missing some key communication. After engaging them at Texting. I need inputs as to how not to let it drift into a multi-day / week chat session.[/QUOTE]There are plenty of simps that will pay these girls just to talk. Look at phone sex, online porn sites that guys pay for even though there's more free porn than galaxies, and those live webcam sites that girls are making a killing on.

I think SA is dead, at least in my area. I have decent game and have done extremely well in the bowl in the past but not this time around (I re-upped 2 weeks ago).

Every last one of them is either gps, platonic, a flake, or combination of the 3. I've had so many "I'd love to meet you" as a first reply to my intro only for them to disappear after 24 hours and 1 or 2 messages later.

Again, I have game and know what I'm doing and am head and shoulders above the average guy in my area (I've seen the SD profiles before). But it's been 2 weeks and I have exactly 0 fish in the boat.

What the F is going on?

[QUOTE=Lebruno;3611093]Just came here to share couple observations!

I recently renewed my SA subscription to fill-up my quiver for the winter. LOL. Overall, I was super excited by the quality of SBs hitting the pool on a daily basis. I was also thrilled by the positive communication and eagerness to share their personal phone numbers. There ends most of the excitement. I have also been noticing that several SBs die out as fast as they come like the fire flies. What I mean is I find many just delete their account even as we were just having an interesting chat conversation. I am like a fool wondering WTF happened just now. So Today I connected with a hot 18 yo SB that just joined today. Soon we exchanged numbers and exchanged pics on the phone and agreed to have a M&G in the coming week. Then I go back to find out that she deleted her SA account. My hypothesis here is that true SBs don't like to deal with multiple potential SDs for long. Once they identify a suitable partner they go dark on the rest. I'm thinking the SBs who went dark on me is bcoz they found someone even while we were chatting. And, I'm hoping this SB shut down the account because of me. LOL. But, still I don't get it as we have not yet met or agreed on any specific allowances. Senior SDs! Whats your take on this mindset?

Another puzzling behavior pattern is there's a bunch of SBs who are simply connected to me on the phone. They will also communicate once every several days like 'hey' or 'how are you' and we will chat for a few until they go cold again. And, every time I push them for a M&G they bail out with an excuse. Or commit to sometime later. Which they will not keep up. They even share random pics out of the blue once in a while. I am clueless as to what they get out of this really? And, I'm clueless wondering if this is also part of SB mindset. Their idea of sharing something with a SD stranger?!

So bottomline my conversion rates from initial communication on SA to personal Text communication to M&G is pathetic. Obviously not counting FC that's super pathetic!

Perhaps I am missing some key communication. After engaging them at Texting. I need inputs as to how not to let it drift into a multi-day / week chat session.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rvaexec60;3610980]I meet her one time and had a nice dream withe her. Go the same text message from her mother. She partied a little too much with her friends and got something laced with something that as not too cool. She is okay for a good time.[/QUOTE]Same here, met, seemed cool, had fun, definitely a good time.

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;3611501]I think SA is dead, at least in my area. I have decent game and have done extremely well in the bowl in the past but not this time around (I re-upped 2 weeks ago).

Every last one of them is either gps, platonic, a flake, or combination of the 3. I've had so many "I'd love to meet you" as a first reply to my intro only for them to disappear after 24 hours and 1 or 2 messages later.

Again, I have game and know what I'm doing and am head and shoulders above the average guy in my area (I've seen the SD profiles before). But it's been 2 weeks and I have exactly 0 fish in the boat.

What the F is going on?[/QUOTE]Where is your area?

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[QUOTE=JZLizard;3610698] So I never got an SB from CL. I found the civy dating sites to be plenty effective, if trying the less traveled roads -- its just a matter of finding the young ones who are open to older guys (some actually prefer them). Finding them is a lot of work, but then so are the SD sites if looking for quality. Some have said CL is one of their best tools, so your mileage may vary.[/QUOTE]I have gotten many SBs from CL and civvy dating sites. It's a lot of work finding what you want, and you have to weed out he spam and the flakes, but it is hard finding good SBs no matter where you look.

I'm in the Chicago area, thought I would post this here also.

Well, it finally happened to me. Set up a meeting, girls seemed very backpagey but I was in an SA slump. Meeting at her condo near 159/ Central on Oak Forest. She puts dog away. Tell me she is closing window, I guess sign for guy to come on up. Guy busts in starts the she is 17 story I have read elsewhere, while waving a gun. I leave $150 poorer. Debate whether to call 911, figure not worth the $150 if my name get published anywhere. I can't figure out the condo thing however, they are risking me coming back, perhaps they are just watching someone else's.

Her account has been deactivated.

This is why I have a policy whether on the road or home to always meet in public first. I've been tempted several times to break this rule, but I talk the little head down each time. I travel a fair amount and have met some great babies in various cities, but I always take them to lunch, dinner, drinks or coffee first. These girls aren't like providers that you can read reviews of to know you can trust them. I'm sorry this happened to you.

Travelin.

Good Hunting.

[QUOTE=AlMelrose;3613291]I'm in the Chicago area, thought I would post this here also.

Well, it finally happened to me. Set up a meeting, girls seemed very backpagey but I was in an SA slump. Meeting at her condo near 159/ Central on Oak Forest. She puts dog away. Tell me she is closing window, I guess sign for guy to come on up. Guy busts in starts the she is 17 story I have read elsewhere, while waving a gun. I leave $150 poorer. Debate whether to call 911, figure not worth the $150 if my name get published anywhere. I can't figure out the condo thing however, they are risking me coming back, perhaps they are just watching someone else's.

Her account has been deactivated.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AlMelrose;3613291]I'm in the Chicago area, thought I would post this here also.

Well, it finally happened to me. Set up a meeting, girls seemed very backpagey but I was in an SA slump. Meeting at her condo near 159/ Central on Oak Forest. She puts dog away. Tell me she is closing window, I guess sign for guy to come on up. Guy busts in starts the she is 17 story I have read elsewhere, while waving a gun. I leave $150 poorer. Debate whether to call 911, figure not worth the $150 if my name get published anywhere. I can't figure out the condo thing however, they are risking me coming back, perhaps they are just watching someone else's.

Her account has been deactivated.[/QUOTE]Take TravelinSD's advice, never meet an "SB" at her place. A quality SB would never invite you to where she lives first. There may be the occasional good experience to be had there, but its not worth the risk. Getting an invite to a house / apt / hotel sight unseen is an indication she is desperate or an escort. Its just mongering, not sugar dating. If that's what you're after you are much safer on the normal BP scene. She would have much more business there, so if she is going out of her way to rent her pussy using SA, it could be she is hoping to stay out of the normal monger radar, which would out her and her scams sooner - most likely hiding something. Schedule the M&G at a public place.

I'm seeing you're all veterans and knowledgable in the realm of this, can someone inbox me some pointers or leadme in the right direction? I recently signed up and can't get it right!! Please, can someone teach me the ropes? And if you ever come to boston, YOu will definitely have girls to see because I will share their numbers, and can help you find your favorites in Boston. THanks guys!

[QUOTE=Papa2314;3615520]I'm seeing you're all veterans and knowledgable in the realm of this, can someone inbox me some pointers or leadme in the right direction? I recently signed up and can't get it right!! Please, can someone teach me the ropes? And if you ever come to boston, YOu will definitely have girls to see because I will share their numbers, and can help you find your favorites in Boston. THanks guys![/QUOTE]Read the thread highlights also on the Richmond board, that should get you started.

[QUOTE=Lebruno;3611093]Just came here to share couple observations!

I recently renewed my SA subscription to fill-up my quiver for the winter. LOL. Overall, I was super excited by the quality of SBs hitting the pool on a daily basis. I was also thrilled by the positive communication and eagerness to share their personal phone numbers. There ends most of the excitement. I have also been noticing that several SBs die out as fast as they come like the fire flies. What I mean is I find many just delete their account even as we were just having an interesting chat conversation. I am like a fool wondering WTF happened just now. So Today I connected with a hot 18 yo SB that just joined today. Soon we exchanged numbers and exchanged pics on the phone and agreed to have a M&G in the coming week. Then I go back to find out that she deleted her SA account. My hypothesis here is that true SBs don't like to deal with multiple potential SDs for long. Once they identify a suitable partner they go dark on the rest. I'm thinking the SBs who went dark on me is bcoz they found someone even while we were chatting. And, I'm hoping this SB shut down the account because of me. LOL. But, still I don't get it as we have not yet met or agreed on any specific allowances. Senior SDs! Whats your take on this mindset?

Another puzzling behavior pattern is there's a bunch of SBs who are simply connected to me on the phone. They will also communicate once every several days like 'hey' or 'how are you' and we will chat for a few until they go cold again. And, every time I push them for a M&G they bail out with an excuse. Or commit to sometime later. Which they will not keep up. They even share random pics out of the blue once in a while. I am clueless as to what they get out of this really? And, I'm clueless wondering if this is also part of SB mindset. Their idea of sharing something with a SD stranger?!

So bottomline my conversion rates from initial communication on SA to personal Text communication to M&G is pathetic. Obviously not counting FC that's super pathetic!

Perhaps I am missing some key communication. After engaging them at Texting. I need inputs as to how not to let it drift into a multi-day / week chat session.[/QUOTE]I haven't been around this a long time, but what you are experiencing seems weird, almost like these are catfish profiles just to give you some hope and keep you renewing. What part of the country are you in? I really doubt these girls are finding someone and then closing the account after finding someone. Most of the girls are working a few guys at a time, just like we are women. The long term monogamous SB / SD relationship is exception rather than rule. I would try to meet someone as quick as possible maybe even the same day you start chatting or no more than two days later if possible. The long the wait the greater chance they will flake out. Try to keep your chat light and have some humor, try not to come off like a stiff middle aged guy even though maybe you are LOL. Remember these are young 20 something girls and they are going to be a little flaky. There is also a big difference in maturity from the 18-21 bracket to 23 plus, but not a big drop off in looks / quality IMO.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3467161]Your going to get various answers but here's my thoughts.

1 being truthful about married status won't hurt you. Mist girls are looking for NSA and help. The amount you can help determine your outcome. (2) your net worth and income is hardly ever an issue as long as you can provide what ever arrangement you decide on. A few will look at that and call you out on it. If your listing over 100 k in income and your trying to haggle over 100 dollars in price difference the smart ones know your fake. (3) if your looking for just a hook up stick with your pros and utr. There is plenty of those on the site. You can be frank in your profile as to what your looking for but don't be vulgar. Show some class. Again plenty on the site that does hook ups. (4) That idea is pretty stupid because when your balking at 1000 dollar request which shouldn't be a big deal to that money bags again they can see your fake. Depending on what your looking for to a lot of these girls its about the $$.[/QUOTE]There was an earlier flurry on how you list yourself on SA. My 2 cents. Some women are actively looking for married guys. My first SB, an absolutely incredible smoking hot blond, had 3 bad marriages, a 6 YO kid from the last one, and her major fear was the guy getting attached. I would have never qualified with her if I hadn't been honest I am married. Her profile said, tellingly, 'we're not falling in love here'. The other attractions. Less likely to have a STD or multiple SBs; generally considered more stable. Just the usual societal biases toward married people being more trustworthy.

About net worth and income. Again, listing married may get you a discount (you can at least make the argument) - even if I have a lot and live well, I may not be able to throw all that toward the SB if I have to worry about keeping the SO in the dark. That is in fact my situation right now. I was getting pretty wild with the sugar over the last year, got sideways with the SO (used an alibi that they were gambling losses), so now I have to be a good boy.

It is true that it is harder to find SBs who have all of the traits desired (as I once said to BikeRider, my goal in life is to fuck as much hiqh quality pussy as I can) and are wiling to go to the FC at a cut rate. There are a few who are really in it just for the thrill of it. We have to figure out ways to attract *those*. All that being said, when I was active on SA I put my true numbers out there and I did attract some amazing women, but there were quite a few who wouldn't proceed with me, as I perceive b / c of my age / attractiveness (or lack thereof). So, you can't really use the $ to counterbalance weaknesses elsewhere. I also was fairly generous with SBs, but never really got into a bidding war with them. I had a very pretty 20 YO coed at 250 per, and she was really there for the excitement, I don't think the $ mattered much.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3616544]There was an earlier flurry on how you list yourself on SA. My 2 cents. Some women are actively looking for married guys. My first SB, an absolutely incredible smoking hot blond, had 3 bad marriages, a 6 YO kid from the last one, and her major fear was the guy getting attached. I would have never qualified with her if I hadn't been honest I am married. Her profile said, tellingly, 'we're not falling in love here'. The other attractions. Less likely to have a STD or multiple SBs; generally considered more stable. Just the usual societal biases toward married people being more trustworthy.

About net worth and income. Again, listing married may get you a discount (you can at least make the argument) - even if I have a lot and live well, I may not be able to throw all that toward the SB if I have to worry about keeping the SO in the dark. That is in fact my situation right now. I was getting pretty wild with the sugar over the last year, got sideways with the SO (used an alibi that they were gambling losses), so now I have to be a good boy.

It is true that it is harder to find SBs who have all of the traits desired (as I once said to BikeRider, my goal in life is to fuck as much hiqh quality pussy as I can) and are wiling to go to the FC at a cut rate. There are a few who are really in it just for the thrill of it. We have to figure out ways to attract *those*. All that being said, when I was active on SA I put my true numbers out there and I did attract some amazing women, but there were quite a few who wouldn't proceed with me, as I perceive b / c of my age / attractiveness (or lack thereof). So, you can't really use the $ to counterbalance weaknesses elsewhere. I also was fairly generous with SBs, but never really got into a bidding war with them. I had a very pretty 20 YO coed at 250 per, and she was really there for the excitement, I don't think the $ mattered much.[/QUOTE]I just left my income and net worth section blank. I don't see how putting anything there can help you unless you are homely looking and badly out of shape. Personally I don't want to attract the gold digger types just chasing money. The whole point of the SA thing for me is that hopefully finding someone legitimately attracted to me / older men (to some degree at least) and have a bit of a connection and its working great so far. I'm no young stud but decent looking and in shape, but I'm 57 / have 45 on my profile. I just put open relationship, although my wife might not be open.

Gentlemen,

I am from the Boston suburbs and fairly new to the SB thing. Could anyone of you on this active VA board point me towards all the meaning of abbreviations you are using.

Thank you very much gentlemen.

Javazer.

So I am chatting with this girl and after only one email she already wants to meet. I feel like this one may have been talked about and for some reason I feel like this could be a scammer. Does anyone have any intel?

[QUOTE=Javazer;3617824]Gentlemen,

I am from the Boston suburbs and fairly new to the SB thing. Could anyone of you on this active VA board point me towards all the meaning of abbreviations you are using.

Thank you very much gentlemen.

Javazer.[/QUOTE]Look at the top of the page for the tab that says abbreviations.

So I've used SA in the past to great success but recently it's been getting more and more difficult. After some looking into it, it's finally happened. There's way more SDs than SBs in my part of the world and it's making it very very tough. A cute girl is literally peppered with messages all from a more and more desperate large pool of guys. This leads to gps, flaking, and thinking that platonic is actually a real thing. I suspect once guys join the site they stay on and never really go away making the pool of guys bigger over time but the number of active girls is fairly constant.

Anyone else noticing this?

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;3618149]So I've used SA in the past to great success but recently it's been getting more and more difficult. After some looking into it, it's finally happened. There's way more SDs than SBs in my part of the world and it's making it very very tough. A cute girl is literally peppered with messages all from a more and more desperate large pool of guys. This leads to gps, flaking, and thinking that platonic is actually a real thing. I suspect once guys join the site they stay on and never really go away making the pool of guys bigger over time but the number of active girls is fairly constant.

Anyone else noticing this?[/QUOTE]The way to tell is set your search radius and see how many sb's it shows in that search. Then have a sb friend do the same for sd's. Compare the numbers, to see what the ratio is. Oh and really the guys numbers should be much less because your only in competition with premium guys. I doubt that the number of paying men is equal to the number of girls joining on a daily basis.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3618264]The way to tell is set your search radius and see how many sb's it shows in that search. Then have a sb friend do the same for sd's. Compare the numbers, to see what the ratio is. Oh and really the guys numbers should be much less because your only in competition with premium guys. I doubt that the number of paying men is equal to the number of girls joining on a daily basis.[/QUOTE]I did exactly that. In my 50 mile radius there's about 2-3 SD per active SB. Most SDs are not searchable anyway, they come out when they see a profile they like. This girl is super nice and although the public search shows 20 Premium SD in the radius, her mail box is overflowing with 50 local guys.

[QUOTE=Mes0623;3607481]AS anyone been in contact with Uncomplicated123 on SA. Was thinking about reaching out to her. Looks very hot![/QUOTE]I meet her for lunch, Decent looking but now she has gone silent.

So, are we forever giving up our chances to be elected to political office by being in the bowl? I mean, Moore is only accused of dating women half his age, whereas there are a few of us here (of course, we've reached an age where this is legal) who have reached the 'one third our age' milestone. LOL. Which part has everyone so up in arms? Just that he was so much older than those he dated? Trump is 30 years older than Melanie, right?

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3620038]So, are we forever giving up our chances to be elected to political office by being in the bowl? I mean, Moore is only accused of dating women half his age, whereas there are a few of us here (of course, we've reached an age where this is legal) who have reached the 'one third our age' milestone. LOL. Which part has everyone so up in arms? Just that he was so much older than those he dated? Trump is 30 years older than Melanie, right?[/QUOTE]Allegations are that he was in his 30's and sexually harassing / assaulting / touching teenage girls under age 18, (15,16). He is in trouble for the legal claims he sexually messed w / underage girls, no crime with being older, but there is if girls are under 18.