"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;3557098]Just meet in public like a coffee shop, restaurant, or diner for the first meet. If a SB asks you to meet in private for the first meet, you're dealing with a pro or a scammer. Easy enough right?[/QUOTE]Yes, that part is very simple and your approach is prudent. What I'm trying to avoid is the hard work developing a relationship only to find out that it's a scam. It would be nice to find out as soon as possible that the number is not legit. Facebook is great for that but scammers are now using burner phones too. I'm looking for a way to reduce the number of scammers but maybe that's impossible with a burner phone.

[QUOTE=CletePurcell;3557389]Yes, that part is very simple and your approach is prudent. What I'm trying to avoid is the hard work developing a relationship only to find out that it's a scam. It would be nice to find out as soon as possible that the number is not legit. Facebook is great for that but scammers are now using burner phones too. I'm looking for a way to reduce the number of scammers but maybe that's impossible with a burner phone.[/QUOTE]Well for starters I wouldn't spend months chatting up some girl. I focus on girls in the area, and that can meet within a few days. More than a couple of weeks max and that's bail out and at best re-engage at another time. There's too many girls on the site to spend so much energy / time on one.

So here is my situation: over the last year I've had at least half a dozen SBs tell me *they'd love* to have a girl join us during our fun time only for them to get cold feet once we actually start talking about making it happen. I know some guys here have had success with this so I'd love to hear how it came about.

Some background, I usually date college girls, in the 19-21 range, and often first or second time babies. No semi-pros, never girls older than 25, always somewhat submissive. As far as I can tell these girls really get attached after the first or second meet and don't want to share me or bring another cutie into the mix.

Gentlemen, share your secret sauce.

[QUOTE=CletePurcell;3556696]Hi all, I'm posting in the Richmond forum hoping to get some wisdom. I have read the tips section extensively and have been mongering for 30 plus years but I ran afoul last night and the bowl seems just as dangerous as BP at the moment. I have been successful with several fun experiences on SA. My routine, polished from the knowledge on this forum is to try and get a text number as soon as the comfort level is there. Then I search facebook for the number and that works about half the time.

When it doesn't that is where the risks are. I was scammed last night by a dude posing as a hottie with whom I had at least 10 texts with over several months. I didn't get robbed because I've been doing this a while and spidey is still with me. But I very easily could have been in a nasty situation.

My question is what other techniques do you use to verify I'd?

Thanks in advance for any tips and also for the knowledge pool which has helped immensely.[/QUOTE]You simply meet them in a public place, as if it were a date -- coffee shop, restaurant, etc. Robbers or scammers have no interest in showing up for something like that. You didn't mention exactly how you got from point A to B so it's hard to be more specific. If you're just going to meet girls in a hotel room that they specify, or to meet them at their house or apt for the first meeting, you just playing with UTRs and overpriced BP girls, and in that sense it's no safer than typical monger behavior.

[QUOTE=CandyMan555;3557218]If you are having good luck scoring with non SB or Civvies, why convert them to SB??

Thanks CM.[/QUOTE]

I can only speak from my own thoughts and experiences here, but this question has come up in the past.

The sugar bowl isn't as cut and dried as mongering. The girls run the gamut from escorts posing as SBs to girls who are basically civvy dates with a thing for older successful guys. Some girls are only after the money, some are after something real. For most women, what they expect from you depends on how much they like you and is a matter of personal chemistry. By giving them allowance and calling it an "arrangement", they are less prone to read too much into it and try to get involved in your life.

When I didn't have an SO, I never paid for pussy (not in cash anyway), I had no reason to. But now that I have something to lose, I have to be careful. Gifting them cash removes any possibility of having to deal with a bunch of texts like "why the fuck haven't you called me in a week!" or some other painful expectation. It reminds them that we are only helping each other out, and not looking to become a shoulder to cry on.

Not only do I not want to get caught and mess things up with my SO because of some neurotic stalker girl, but I also don't like the idea of finding civvy girls who are looking for more than sex with a random stranger, screwing them and then leaving them feeling like they were used for sex. Outside of professional sex workers, women are very prone to feeling like this after casual sex. I'm probably as chauvinistic as they come, but I do have a conscience and integrity and don't want to mislead anyone. I wouldn't feel right leading civvy girls into thinking I'm interested in dating, only to turn them into an occasional booty call. I've made that mistake before and it turns into headache one way or another.

I've been with two escorts in my entire life. The first experience was a nice BBBJCIM, then she hops on the bed, lays next to me, says "I wanna do THIS!" and puts my arm around her, turns off her phone and proceeds to watch TV with me, basically trying to cuddle. What the fuck? The second one was a highly rated girl here on USASG that the readership in one city I travel to occasionally seems to love. Called her when I was in town and invited her to my room, and I made the mistake of offering her a beer and she starts telling me her life story. 10 minutes later she tried to kiss me on the mouth. Again what the fuck. When I politely declined, she was clearly insulted and the date went downhill from there. Never again, escorts just aren't my thing. The idea of kissing a girl who has probably sucked a half dozen other cocks in the last 24 hours makes me nauseous. An impersonal tuggy or hummer at a massage parlor or back room of a strip club? Sure. Love strippers, all the fun and none of the baggage.

If I didn't have an SO I'd probably stick to civvy sites to try to find some nice fuck buddies to pass the time while I look for someone I like actually spending time with. Friends with benefits are the best.

However if not in a relationship, I'm always keeping an eye out for something more than just sex too. When in that situation, I'm more inclined to be open to giving them some attention and emotional support, because I'm the type that doesn't like to be alone. Right now, being alone is only a problem with either I travel or my SO travels, so that's the only time I venture out.

[QUOTE=CandyMan555;3557218]If you are having good luck scoring with non SB or Civvies, why convert them to SB??

Thanks CM.[/QUOTE]Money greases the skids no matter how good your game when you are MUCH older than they are.

[QUOTE=JZLizard;3558459]I can only speak from my own thoughts and experiences here, but this question has come up in the past.

The sugar bowl isn't as cut and dried as mongering. The girls run the gamut from escorts posing as SBs to girls who are basically civvy dates with a thing for older successful guys. Some girls are only after the money, some are after something real. For most women, what they expect from you depends on how much they like you and is a matter of personal chemistry. By giving them allowance and calling it an "arrangement", they are less prone to read too much into it and try to get involved in your life.

When I didn't have an SO, I never paid for pussy (not in cash anyway), I had no reason to. But now that I have something to lose, I have to be careful. Gifting them cash removes any possibility of having to deal with a bunch of texts like "why the fuck haven't you called me in a week!" or some other painful expectation. It reminds them that we are only helping each other out, and not looking to become a shoulder to cry on.

Not only do I not want to get caught and mess things up with my SO because of some neurotic stalker girl, but I also don't like the idea of finding civvy girls who are looking for more than sex with a random stranger, screwing them and then leaving them feeling like they were used for sex. Outside of professional sex workers, women are very prone to feeling like this after casual sex. I'm probably as chauvinistic as they come, but I do have a conscience and integrity and don't want to mislead anyone. I wouldn't feel right leading civvy girls into thinking I'm interested in dating, only to turn them into an occasional booty call. I've made that mistake before and it turns into headache one way or another.

I've been with two escorts in my entire life. The first experience was a nice BBBJCIM, then she hops on the bed, lays next to me, says "I wanna do THIS!" and puts my arm around her, turns off her phone and proceeds to watch TV with me, basically trying to cuddle. What the fuck? The second one was a highly rated girl here on USASG that the readership in one city I travel to occasionally seems to love. Called her when I was in town and invited her to my room, and I made the mistake of offering her a beer and she starts telling me her life story. 10 minutes later she tried to kiss me on the mouth. Again what the fuck. When I politely declined, she was clearly insulted and the date went downhill from there. Never again, escorts just aren't my thing. The idea of kissing a girl who has probably sucked a half dozen other cocks in the last 24 hours makes me nauseous. An impersonal tuggy or hummer at a massage parlor or back room of a strip club? Sure. Love strippers, all the fun and none of the baggage.

If I didn't have an SO I'd probably stick to civvy sites to try to find some nice fuck buddies to pass the time while I look for someone I like actually spending time with. Friends with benefits are the best.

However if not in a relationship, I'm always keeping an eye out for something more than just sex too. When in that situation, I'm more inclined to be open to giving them some attention and emotional support, because I'm the type that doesn't like to be alone. Right now, being alone is only a problem with either I travel or my SO travels, so that's the only time I venture out.[/QUOTE]What is the true meaning of Friends with benefits? Thanks CM.

[QUOTE=CandyMan555;3559674]What is the true meaning of Friends with benefits? Thanks CM.[/QUOTE]I guess it could mean different things to different people, but in civy dating circles its usually abbreviated FWB and just means a casual fuck-buddy. Someone you like as a person and enjoy regular sex with, but have both agreed that's all it is.

[QUOTE=RegularJoe1985;3553692]Hello,

Am trying to get into SB / SD scene and was looking to get a 1-month subscription of SA using a Visa / MC GC.

Was trying to see what information should I download within this month and then let the membership elapse.

Thanks,[/QUOTE]One month is plenty of time.

Just make sure you search phone numbers and pictures.

One on last week was on a pen pal site just 3 week before from prison!

Just looking to turn her criminal ways around LOL.

Not wait me tho.

Lot of freshers started their fall semester. Any one experienced SA in local or sorrounding RVA area?

PM with profile links and contact details.

[QUOTE=NeoDude;3560531]One month is plenty of time.

Just make sure you search phone numbers and pictures.

One on last week was on a pen pal site just 3 week before from prison!

Just looking to turn her criminal ways around LOL.

Not wait me tho.[/QUOTE]How do you search?? Thanks CM.

Any suggestions on whether to put married if you are married in your profile? Thanks,CM.

[QUOTE=CandyMan555;3561721]Any suggestions on whether to put married if you are married in your profile? Thanks,CM.[/QUOTE]Lots of posts on this, search for them. I am married and did say so. I am not currently on SA, had a mishap I may describe later.

You have to have a story that goes w / your general bowl story, though. Some girls say 'no married' in their profile and I left them totally alone. A few POTs I contacted were not interested, they think somehow they are damaging the marriage - 'honey, you couldn't do anything to this marriage the SO hasn't already done a hundred times worse'. I have read a stat, something like 40% of us on SA are married, IDK how many cop to it.

[QUOTE=CandyMan555;3561721]Any suggestions on whether to put married if you are married in your profile? Thanks,CM.[/QUOTE]I think yes is the best route, otherwise they might have higher relationship expectations.

I have had many good SBs, but Bunny is definitely the best. Cute. Tight spinner body. Pretty pink pussy. Bubbly. Energetic. Very eager to tease and please. Likes having her nipples stretched, squeezed and bitten. Uncanny DT skills. Loves it up the ass. Hot sounding squeal with shivers and shakes when she cums, which is often. Squirts like a fountain. Tries anything without hesitation. Erotic and intelligent pillow talk. She has been at the top of my rotation for quite a while now and will remain so for as long as I can keep her.

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;3566016]I have had many good SBs, but Bunny is definitely the best. Cute. Tight spinner body. Pretty pink pussy. Bubbly. Energetic. Very eager to tease and please. Likes having her nipples stretched, squeezed and bitten. Uncanny DT skills. Loves it up the ass. Hot sounding squeal when she cums, which is often. Squirts like a fountain. Tries anything without hesitation. Erotic and intelligent pillow talk. She has been at the top of my rotation for quite a while now and will remain so for as long as I can keep her.[/QUOTE]Nice catch! Dam nice young looking specimen, clean canvas and young, wow.

Thanks for sharing, I may have to book a flight to Virgin ee ya!

I've looked in on this thread quite a bit, and think I may want to dip my 'toe into the pool' or dip something else into something else, LOL. Anyway, which site do you guys think is worth the cash? I have free profiles on SA, sugardaddyforme, and established men. I'd just rather start out where there's the most action and real girls.

Thanks,

JDBoy.

From everything I've seen, Seeking Arrangement is clearly the most popular and best site. There are plenty of real girls to go along with the pros, utr's and strippers. Something for everyone! LOL

[QUOTE=Jdboy;3566416]I've looked in on this thread quite a bit, and think I may want to dip my 'toe into the pool' or dip something else into something else, LOL. Anyway, which site do you guys think is worth the cash? I have free profiles on SA, sugardaddyforme, and established men. I'd just rather start out where there's the most action and real girls.

Thanks,

JDBoy.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=CandyMan555;3561721]Any suggestions on whether to put married if you are married in your profile? Thanks,CM.[/QUOTE]I have gone both ways, doesn't seem to make a difference.

[QUOTE=Jdboy;3566416]I've looked in on this thread quite a bit, and think I may want to dip my 'toe into the pool' or dip something else into something else, LOL. Anyway, which site do you guys think is worth the cash? I have free profiles on SA, sugardaddyforme, and established men. I'd just rather start out where there's the most action and real girls.

Thanks,

JDBoy.[/QUOTE]SA isthe way to go, a few years back I met a couple girls on SD4 Me but it wasn't worth the 99% that wasted my time. SA on the other hand has plenty of POT's willing to engage & actually meet. Personally as long as they're not a pro I'm happy finding a few utr's along the way to back up my rotation & there doesn't seem to be a lack of them utilizing the site.

Do you think putting 2 million net worth and 200,000 annual salary is too much to put in profile??

Thanks CM.

[QUOTE=CandyMan555;3569607]Do you think putting 2 million net worth and 200,000 annual salary is too much to put in profile??

Thanks CM.[/QUOTE]LOL not as long as your not balking or trying to negotiate these girls down. At that rate you should be able to afford a pretty healthy arrangement. Most girls don't look at that stuff but the sharp ones do and will call you on it if your trying to negotiate them downa few hundred dollars.

[QUOTE=CandyMan555;3569607]Do you think putting 2 million net worth and 200,000 annual salary is too much to put in profile??

Thanks CM.[/QUOTE]Depends whether you want a SB or a gold digger.

Long time member and long time SD however I miss read this one. Felt it was a scam however I gave in knowing what the end result would be. Stay safe [URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/8ec04511-188b-49a4-a539-9d2c7aa15fb1[/URL].

[QUOTE=CrazyLegs92;3571411]Long time member and long time SD however I miss read this one. Felt it was a scam however I gave in knowing what the end result would be. Stay safe [URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/8ec04511-188b-49a4-a539-9d2c7aa15fb1[/URL].[/QUOTE]Hey Crazy,

I'm all in favor of outing Bad Babies, but a little more info would be helpful. How did she scam you? What were the details and things we should learn from this and avoid in the future?

Please fill us in.

Scott.

Please don't be that naive. I would keep that information to myself. That is only going to hurt you.

[QUOTE=CandyMan555;3569607]Do you think putting 2 million net worth and 200,000 annual salary is too much to put in profile??

Thanks CM.[/QUOTE]

I am currently juggling several since I have lost some my 4 ATF's. I am hoping to get a lead on yng w college bunny. Right now I have a Chinese, middle eastern, east indian, chunky white, and a mixed college bunny all under 30 from 19. I am in search of 18 W. I have lost a phillipino, indian, two white!! Any leads on what I am in search of?

Having coconut oil around is also a lot less incriminating than lube. I know a lot of women use it for their hair and skin etc.

[QUOTE=BlackChi;3502334]Ah, just one of Coconut oils many uses.[/QUOTE].

Do you have to have a profile photo to participate in SA?

[QUOTE=BillyBreeder;3574465]Do you have to have a profile photo to participate in SA?[/QUOTE]You pay the membership fee and you don't need one. But you aren't going to have much luck with the ladies without one. The hot ones get so many messages they don't bother with guys without a pic generally speaking.

I just got back on in the Richmond area last week after the new crop of fall students had some time to get on SA. Dinner dates with two coeds so far and both want to meet again. Another new one lined up for Tuesday night and a few POTS I am messaging that look promising. They are out there if you got game. But I had to weed out the GPS and the ones wanting to sell me pics or buy them a new phone. So you got to be patient and follow the advice on this board to be successful.

[QUOTE=BillyBreeder;3574465]Do you have to have a profile photo to participate in SA?[/QUOTE]No you don't have to. If you want post one, make it private and only share to the ones your interested in. Make your profile interesting and you will get all the inquiries you want. The other which I do is when they request a puc I send it by text.

I had an odd experience. I get an email at my sugar address inviting me to a 'friend' a young college student on LinkedIn. It has been quiet for me, I haven't been in the bowl for a while. Her name seems familiar, perhaps I messaged with her, I easily find her pix online, but I definitely don't recall meeting her. Is this an indication of something I had suspected when I had a 'professional' LinkedIn profile? That they reach into your email correspondence list and use it, to suggest friends to you, and now it seems the other way around. If so, it's a a good reason not to be using anything like LinkedIn with your regular email address for bowl activities. On the other hand, while we know that we can't make fake Facebook profiles (they will ask for verification after a while, and if you can't provide it (utility bill, for example), cancel the profile), perhaps LinkedIn is not so scrupulous, and we can take advantage by making a profile with sugar info.

This one favorited me and immediately bit on my invitation to drinks. When we texted she tried to make a date for the same night but I played busy. I think she's trying to be a hustler, but is still new to the game. The number she used got me to her FB and Instagram and her straight job. I love Fan waitresses. If anyone has been there already hit me privately, I want the scoop. I know she's going to try to hustle, but knowledge is power! #FlipTheGame.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3580263]I had an odd experience. I get an email at my sugar address inviting me to a 'friend' a young college student on LinkedIn. It has been quiet for me, I haven't been in the bowl for a while. Her name seems familiar, perhaps I messaged with her, I easily find her pix online, but I definitely don't recall meeting her. Is this an indication of something I had suspected when I had a 'professional' LinkedIn profile? That they reach into your email correspondence list and use it, to suggest friends to you, and now it seems the other way around. If so, it's a a good reason not to be using anything like LinkedIn with your regular email address for bowl activities. On the other hand, while we know that we can't make fake Facebook profiles (they will ask for verification after a while, and if you can't provide it (utility bill, for example), cancel the profile), perhaps LinkedIn is not so scrupulous, and we can take advantage by making a profile with sugar info.[/QUOTE]

Here's the risk: If you have a Linkedin profile with your real identity, and someone sends you e-mail to your sugar email that redirects you to a LinkedIn profile in any way, whoever owns the profile behind the link will see who viewed their profile it (thus they have just identified you). The fact that the two email addresses are separate is unrelated. I really haven't looked at LinkedIn lately, but this was how things were the last time I did look into it. So if she's even remotely capable of reading an article of how to set that up, it's an easy way for her to find your real identity only from your e-mail. Any other social media site could do this easily, but Linkedin is the only one I know of that does it for sure (and unfortunately has the side effect of giving away professional info if you've ever added it to a real profile).

Easy solution is to never have a real profile for anything, and run all sugar activities out of a virtual machine, or at bare minimum a different user account on the machine so you don't have to worry about clicking on a phishing attempt link like this by accident. The idea is just to create proper separation for cookies, pixel trackers etc.

Two weeks ago I went to the Richmond Tattoo Festival. I was there to see someone I know dance in the Burlesque show. As luck would have it, I spotted a former SB there. She was with a group of friends including her sister so I texted her after we had made eye contact. We had stopped seeing each other due to our schedules not matching up but last night we got back together for hotter sex than we were having before. So we are back on with renewed passion and will try harder to make time to see each other.

Sometimes you just need a crack in the door to get a POT to notice you. I've had two M&G with one to the FC as a direct result of going to that Festival. My crack in the door was contacting tattooed women and asking them if they were at the festival. That got the conversation going as we had something in common to message about right away. The vast of majority of women I've meet over the years love to talk about what their next tattoo is going to be and most are too broke to get I it done without a Daddy to help.

I'm still using that angle as some Richmond area tattoo places are having Friday the 13th specials. Small tats for $13 to $20. Even some of the well inked ladies of the area don't know about it so I have been messaging a few talking about that. I can see it running into next when I ask some new ones if they got their Friday the 13th tattoo. Looks like this month on SA is going to be my best ever!

Mazzy is a 20 year old who just showed up a few days ago listed as in Richmond. Wasted my time messaging her to find out she is just selling stuff with the promise of meeting later. I see she has now changed her location to Austin Texas. If you have been messaging her, you are wasting your time. I've posted over in the Texas forum to warn those guys.

Bananababe101,19 VCU. New online today. Selling pics but at least she says no physical contact in her profile.

I have been working hard on SA website. PM me if you want to share intel. I'm a little paranoid about some.

I notice that many of the Daytime hotel options seem to end around 3 or 4 pm. I think its a fantastic option if you are booking these rooms by around Noon, latest. I recently was trying to book one of these and it was already 2 PM. I wasn't sure if the hotel would kick me out in one hour's time so I just went with booking a regular hotel option. Does anyone here had a chance to book daytime hotel around the expiry time? How exactly did the hotel handle the situation. Were they fairly reasonable in providing an additional hour or two?

[QUOTE=FScott;3394994]You might also want to include the apps / websites for day rate hotels. The three I'm aware of are beewake (the one I have used), [URL]dayuse.com[/URL], and [URL]hotelsbyday.com[/URL]. FarFarAway posted on this last one below. I've checked them both out and for me, in Chicago, they show some amazing discounts. I had the beewake app on my phone already, and just downloaded the other two apps to my phone as well. If any other brothers know of additional apps or sites, please post them up.

Cheers,

Scott.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3580263]I had an odd experience. I get an email at my sugar address inviting me to a 'friend' a young college student on LinkedIn. It has been quiet for me, I haven't been in the bowl for a while. Her name seems familiar, perhaps I messaged with her, I easily find her pix online, but I definitely don't recall meeting her. Is this an indication of something I had suspected when I had a 'professional' LinkedIn profile? That they reach into your email correspondence list and use it, to suggest friends to you, and now it seems the other way around. If so, it's a a good reason not to be using anything like LinkedIn with your regular email address for bowl activities. On the other hand, while we know that we can't make fake Facebook profiles (they will ask for verification after a while, and if you can't provide it (utility bill, for example), cancel the profile), perhaps LinkedIn is not so scrupulous, and we can take advantage by making a profile with sugar info.[/QUOTE]LinkedIn will ask people on a regular basis if they would like to invite every contact on their computer to connect. Except they say "want to be connected with people you already know" and in small print they say they're mining your personal contacts. I get it all the time. I sometimes almost get tricked into doing it. My guess is this was harmless and her clicking the wrong button.

Share pics and contact# of East Indian and middle eastern profiles. I'm craving to taste them.

[QUOTE=S2568;3572206]I am currently juggling several since I have lost some my 4 ATF's. I am hoping to get a lead on yng w college bunny. Right now I have a Chinese, middle eastern, east indian, chunky white, and a mixed college bunny all under 30 from 19. I am in search of 18 W. I have lost a phillipino, indian, two white!! Any leads on what I am in search of?[/QUOTE]