Be polite but only pay what you want to pay
[QUOTE=Rebrobate218;6399573]The minute she would say to me $160 for a nude HJ I would have gotten dressed and left. If the massage was good I may throw $20 on the table.[/QUOTE]Doesn't matter where you are. Doesn't matter what the going rate is in Philly, the Philipines, or in my mom's basement. It only matters where YOU ARE, laying there with a boner and wanting to pay for some action. The context is your location, not the rest of the world. Negotiate accordingly and walk if you don't get what you want.
Most providers have a sliding tip / extras scale based on a number of variables and YOU might be one of the variables. Mongers behavior and appearance affects negotiation. The provider's mood affects negotiation. Your ability to negotiate is essential and if you can't do it then you will be walking out a lot. As noted, providers like Grace know the game well and are in the game to make money. Perfectly ok to drop a provider $20 for a good massage with no happiness. And many providers are simply terrible at negotiation for whatever reason.
If your provider wants the tip upfront, it is likely because she had some monger recently offer her a $200 tip for a fingerblast and then reneged after the deed was done. So maybe she saw something in you that she didn't trust, who knows.
Mei-Mei and a backdoor story
So I am signed on, so I thought I would share one more. Sorry I am wordy. Use to go to Mei-Mei also back in the day. Mamasan was ALSO named Grace. It was a good place and she always set me up with funtimes (she also ran iRelax and 2 others eventually). I had lost touch with her and no call backs from her number. Fast forward to now. Read a good review for Mei and decided to try. Asked about Grace. Girl acted like she didn't understand. So I took it to mean Grace was no longer around. Saw 2 girls in hallway. Looked ok. LuLu walked in. Young and decent shape. Short midriff top. Accessible!! She gave a great shower. Very thorough. And handled Jr. Like a Pro. In the room, actually gave a good massage with enough teasing that she knew I wanted for her to reach under and work it some. Time to flip and total access to top and outside bottom. Great finish. No negotiation. OTD-140.
Decided to go back the next week and see LuLu again. Great massage and really cleaned my a-hole a number of times (ha ha!) I showered before I went so I knew it was clean. Back in room. Same process as before but this time she would not let me touch anything but her butt. I asked her why? I figured it's time of month. And usually girls don't mind saying that to keep you from even trying. But her response was just NO! I was taken aback. She continued the tug. But it was going to be useless. But I remembered her attention in the shower with the backdoor. I asked her to touch me there. OH MY GOODNESS!! She was an expert and knew exactly how far to go. I hadn't had that kind of explosion in a while.