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[QUOTE=TexasMonger;3490867]Sure is. For us perverts, can we see more of her? Any video?
Cheers.
TM.[/QUOTE]I have many pics of her and video. While I appreciate the desire on your part for real amateur porn. Which is all the rage, my POV on this is that a taste can be better than gluttony.
[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;3491741]I have many pics of her and video. While I appreciate the desire on your part for real amateur porn. Which is all the rage, my POV on this is that a taste can be better than gluttony.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing. Thought I was the only one left on this board that would still do that.
A question for the group. Recently I was trying to work something out as I was traveling. I was short on time so I concentrated on babies that were showing as "online". Not only did I get hardly any responses, almost none of the messages were even read nor had the babies viewed my profile. Has anyone else run into this?
[QUOTE=MagicRat;3494356]A question for the group. Recently I was trying to work something out as I was traveling. I was short on time so I concentrated on babies that were showing as "online". Not only did I get hardly any responses, almost none of the messages were even read nor had the babies viewed my profile. Has anyone else run into this?[/QUOTE]I think the response rate is about the same either way. A girl who signs in on a mobile device (which is probably most of them these days) will show as online even of she doesn't look at it for hours.
To Starkey 2008: You need to clean up your mail box can't send any privates to you!
S2568.
Does anyone know if Walmart Moneygram is anonymous for the sender?
[QUOTE=NeedyUnchin;3486343]
There are so many that paint this picture of Prince Charming riding in on a horse and dazzling them with exciting adventures. Is this for real or bullshit?
[/QUOTE]This is often the case with nice looking women in general, not just SBs. Not that they are all like this, but its very common -- hot looking women know they are hot, and after some period of time tend to develop some sense of entitlement that is cultivated due to the amount of attention they receive on a regular basis.
I have some opinions on why GPS-princess syndrome is so common among SBs. Every SB I've ever met (and I do mean every one of them) has turned out to have daddy issues one way or another. I've talked about the variations of daddy-issue that result in a girl seeking out age-inappropriate partners, but for the most part I believe they can be broken down into two types of daddy issues: Absent-Daddy Syndrome (for whatever reason their dad wasn't present enough in their life) or Tough-Act-To-Follow-Daddy (their dad spoiled them and showered them with attention). I've never met an SB with a "normal" dad -- it could be my perspective is limited because I avoid the UTR / escort types, and seek the ones who have genuine attraction to older men? My own experience is the ones who want to be daddys little princess are the daughters of tough-act-to-follow-syndrome. Their dads probably thought they were doing their angels a favor by raising the bar high, but what often happens is they can't find a replacement at their age level so they go searching for someone more like their dad, or older than him. Dad succeeded in protecting their little angel from ill-intentioned young men, but then unsatisfied with her options, angel runs into the arms of perverted old ones (like me) that make them feel special but cannot offer them a real relationship. The ones with Absent-Daddy Syndrome, I find, do not have the "fantasy" mindset. They don't want a slouch, but they don't expect the moon either.
Getting into an SB's head and understanding what she's about is literally the first thing I do, in very early contact before meeting them. What I learn from that shapes my interaction with them from that point forward.
Either way, they are fulfilling some "real" need with something that is not real, and that sometimes causes unrealistic expectations, especially if they are new to sugar dating. I wouldn't let it discourage you, as long as they like you and enjoy spending time with you, you have to be trying hard not to get laid. I've met some that posted some pretty rediculous expectations, only to find that after a bit of wining and dining, they are happy to get a vigorous fucking and then a load in the mouth. Go figure. Women are full of contradictions, and that's especially true of college aged girls.
Fellow Daddies, especially those of you living in Michigan, Ohio, or Indiana:
I have never wrote a bad thing about any sugar babies on this site, but I feel compelled to make you aware of a scammer baby in Michigan on the Seeking Arrangement site.
Her screen name is GenuineGal and her profile link is below.
[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/8db122a9-4f6b-4aff-86cc-0e222820bc3a[/URL]
I do not consider myself a gullible person but she is extremely convincing in making you believe she is who she really says she is. She is very sweet, articulate, and detailed in her texts. She initiated the messaging with me.
She will give you a sad story that one of her two dogs suddenly is really sick and needs emergency treatment at the vet. She will tell you that she lives alone and her dogs mean everything to her and of course she doesn't have the money right now but if you send the money, she will pay you back when she gets her next paycheck in the middle of the month. She even sent me photos of her drivers license and Social Security card to "prove" she is real. I did not ask for those or even bring them up. I suspect they may be stolen I'd. She claims to live in the city of Woodhaven, just south of Detroit and that's what her drivers license says. She also will tell you that her grandmother or her brother will send you the money. SURPRISE. They never do. In fact, the day her brother is suppose to wire the money. Surprise, he suddenly takes ill with a stroke.
I spoke with her on the phone a few times and she sounded very sweet and very grateful for your help. You feel as if you are really helping her and doing a good deed.
She also asked me for money for a new apartment because she was getting kicked out of her home. She will agree to meet you but then when the meeting time comes, she will suddenly have a legit sounding excuse why she can't.
She will also text you in the middle of the night with a story of some break in attempt in her house by an intruder who tried to kick the door own. She will send you pics of her broken door. If you Tineye them you will find that those pics are just fakes that she found by googling "kicked in door". I totally believed everything she said until she came up with the intruder story. My gut told me it was fishy and my Tineye search of her photos confirmed the photos she sent were fake and not ones she took.
The lesson here is DO NOT EVER SEND MONEY TO ANYONE SITE UNSEEN. This baby will exploit your White Knight feelings. Ignore my warning at your own risk. Don't believe me, go on SA and chat with her yourself. She is a current "member" of the site.
[QUOTE=Ternarius;3496148]Does anyone know if Walmart Moneygram is anonymous for the sender?[/QUOTE]A couple years ago I sent a SB one using a fake name and phone number but the last time they wanted a working phone #.
Not sure how they do it now.
Been a while since I checked this thread. Good to see old names still hard at work.
If I ever meet the guy that created this website, ima buy him a beer. First time in my life that I've got six ladies in my rotation. I'm regularly doing triples with one hotel room. An afternoon lunch date with check in, a dinner date with another, and then the next morning. Breakfast in bed with a new flavor.
Yes, I am using vitamin v. Wouldn't be able to keep up otherwise.
Life is good gents. Let's keep living the dream.
[QUOTE=MagicRat;3494356]A question for the group. Recently I was trying to work something out as I was traveling. I was short on time so I concentrated on babies that were showing as "online". Not only did I get hardly any responses, almost none of the messages were even read nor had the babies viewed my profile. Has anyone else run into this?[/QUOTE]Over the last few months I have noticed a lot of my messages are never read or profile viewed. I have not tried the mobile app but it might show enough info for a SB to ignore someone. My best luck for quick responses is from ones who come online between 6-8 am.
[QUOTE=JustLonely;3496999]Over the last few months I have noticed a lot of my messages are never read or profile viewed. I have not tried the mobile app but it might show enough info for a SB to ignore someone. My best luck for quick responses is from ones who come online between 6-8 am.[/QUOTE]Keep in mind too that you can place filters on what you allow in your inbox. I am sure many of the sugar babies probably use them to keep the messages they get controllable and who they want to get them from, like age for example. I have had messages never read but see they are online so I assume possibly they are never hitting their inbox. I am in my 50's and many babies may not want to go more than 20 years their senior and place the age restriction. Just a thought on what some of it could be too.
I'd appreciate some advice.
I am visiting Vegas and messaged some SBs asking if they would see an out of towner / love to grab a drink / blah blah. Also mentioned I visit throughout yr for work, so maybe occasional meetups but not regular SD.
Well one said sure! $500/ hr for her time for drinks and convo. Pass.
But I've had several agree to meet up for drinks. No mention of $ yet. Asking when / where and seem a little more grounded.
Would you bring $$$ up now before meeting? My concern is I don't really want to waste time on a girl with ridiculous expectations.
I guess I'm asking how you screen for matching expectations ahead of time or is this unrealistic?
[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;3496993]Been a while since I checked this thread. Good to see old names still hard at work.
If I ever meet the guy that created this website, ima buy him a beer. First time in my life that I've got six ladies in my rotation. I'm regularly doing triples with one hotel room. An afternoon lunch date with check in, a dinner date with another, and then the next morning. Breakfast in bed with a new flavor.
Yes, I am using vitamin v. Wouldn't be able to keep up otherwise.
Life is good gents. Let's keep living the dream.[/QUOTE]Good for you! I used to keep that kind of pussy pounding schedule, but I have relaxed on that in recent years. I am fucking less and enjoying it more. But, like you, I have 6 in the rotation. Variety is the spice of life.
I am usually upfront about wanting pay for play w / my sb prospects and had one who agreed to come over and fuck for set dollar amount. Then on the night of planned fuck date she balked saying she is not a ***** and is not ok w / just coming to see me like a call girl. What do I do with this type, she wants to date and get to know me, and agrees sex is a part of the sd / sb thing. Problem for me is I can't pay for dinner date and then give her 200 on top of that and get no pussy, so I can't figure how to go with her.
[QUOTE=FreeF;3499655]I am usually upfront about wanting pay for play w / my sb prospects and had one who agreed to come over and fuck for set dollar amount. Then on the night of planned fuck date she balked saying she is not a ***** and is not ok w / just coming to see me like a call girl. What do I do with this type, she wants to date and get to know me, and agrees sex is a part of the sd / sb thing. Problem for me is I can't pay for dinner date and then give her 200 on top of that and get no pussy, so I can't figure how to go with her.[/QUOTE]What I mean is I can't pay her to go to dinner for 200 she wants, then pay 200-250 more she wants to play.
[QUOTE=FreeF;3499655]I am usually upfront about wanting pay for play w / my sb prospects and had one who agreed to come over and fuck for set dollar amount. Then on the night of planned fuck date she balked saying she is not a ***** and is not ok w / just coming to see me like a call girl. What do I do with this type, she wants to date and get to know me, and agrees sex is a part of the sd / sb thing. Problem for me is I can't pay for dinner date and then give her 200 on top of that and get no pussy, so I can't figure how to go with her.[/QUOTE]You may want to read some of the posts linked in the FAQ thread I put together a couple years ago: [URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?15100-Sugarbaby-Thread-Highlights-Index-and-FAQ[/URL] .
In general, though, I'd either drop her completely, emphasize that no physical time together means no sugar, or just tell her to come back if she ever changes her mind.
My College Bunny told me about a friend in need of some cash. I met her at a coffee shop. I got hard just looking at this cute little morsel and listening to her high pitched voice. For a reasonable donation she was willing to take a ride with me in my car and go dunking for apples. That was so hot that I offered a further donation to get a hotel room. This girl was one of the sweetest and hottest pieces of ass I have ever had! She would do anything I wanted, including holding her ankles while she gave my willy a sloppy DT.
Life IS very good my brothers!
[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;3500947]My College Bunny told me about a friend in need of some cash. I met her at a coffee shop. I got hard just looking at this cute little morsel and listening to her high pitched voice. For a reasonable donation she was willing to take a ride with me in my car and go dunking for apples. That was so hot that I offered a further donation to get a hotel room. This girl was one of the sweetest and hottest pieces of ass I have ever had! She would do anything I wanted, including holding her ankles while she gave my willy a sloppy DT.
Life IS very good my brothers![/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing. I do hope you hit that tight little ass.
[QUOTE=FreeF;3499655]I am usually upfront about wanting pay for play w / my sb prospects and had one who agreed to come over and fuck for set dollar amount. Then on the night of planned fuck date she balked saying she is not a ***** and is not ok w / just coming to see me like a call girl. What do I do with this type, she wants to date and get to know me, and agrees sex is a part of the sd / sb thing. Problem for me is I can't pay for dinner date and then give her 200 on top of that and get no pussy, so I can't figure how to go with her.[/QUOTE]What you are describing is-hold on) --a Sugar Baby. Many guys are using SA to find escorts or call girls, which is what you are looking for. "college girls" -meaning mostly college age girls.
Are functioning as UTRs. The girls pictures on these pages appear to be of this ilk. Real SBs want some degree of a relationship which involves dating type experiences-dinner, drinks, nights out, concerts, etc. Of course, sex is included but not as a booty call. Keep trying and you will indeed find an UTR who is OK with the booty call. Some are pretty obvious from their SA profile. Look for statements like "discreet" ,anything goes ", up for anything" ,"outcall or incall", $$ in the tag line, "up for short term arrangements" , mostly naked pics--to name a few.
Party you are the man! Congrats and thanks for sharing, you should play powerball with your luck!
[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;3500947]My College Bunny told me about a friend in need of some cash. I met her at a coffee shop. I got hard just looking at this cute little morsel and listening to her high pitched voice. For a reasonable donation she was willing to take a ride with me in my car and go dunking for apples. That was so hot that I offered a further donation to get a hotel room. This girl was one of the sweetest and hottest pieces of ass I have ever had! She would do anything I wanted, including holding her ankles while she gave my willy a sloppy DT.
Life IS very good my brothers![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JustMikey;3501051]Thanks for sharing. I do hope you hit that tight little ass.[/QUOTE]YES! Like I said she would do anything I wanted. Having a cute young hard-bodied obedient fuck doll is about as good as it gets. It wasn't like she was an ass virgin but she said she had tried it a few times and didn't like it because it hurt. I did it as one should with plenty of lube and going slow at first until she was comfortable and relaxed. Then I went to town on that tight young asshole. She said she never came that hard before in her life. That would mean more of course if she weren't only 19. LOL.
[QUOTE=Ben2691;3501099]Party you are the man! Congrats and thanks for sharing, you should play powerball with your luck![/QUOTE]Thanks for the congrats. However.
The first guy I ever worked for told me that the harder you work the luckier you get. Doing well with SBs involves aspiration, perspiration and exasperation. Some things work most of the time but nothing works all the time. If you do this long enough you learn what works for you and that's usually enough to get the taill you want for the price you are willing to pay both in dollars and dues.
Just wanted to share my results with my brothers. Been using coconut oil as a lube and daily tool grease and find it to be way more effective than what I was using before. Used both water based (KY) and silicone (WET platinum) lubes that would still leave the tool sore and chafed at the end but no such problems with coconut oil. I've also been using it as daily tool grease after I finished the Man1 man oil.
The brand (LouAna) I got has no smell or taste as stated on the label!
I have been chatting with this Asian student on SA. Anyone out there willing to share your experiences with her. I she more UTR than sugar babby.
[QUOTE=Rvaexec60;3501789]I have been chatting with this Asian student on SA. Anyone out there willing to share your experiences with her. I she more UTR than sugar babby.[/QUOTE]I've been trying to hook up with her for a while. She always seems to be busy.
[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;3501610]Just wanted to share my results with my brothers. Been using coconut oil as a lube and daily tool grease and find it to be way more effective than what I was using before. Used both water based (KY) and silicone (WET platinum) lubes that would still leave the tool sore and chafed at the end but no such problems with coconut oil. I've also been using it as daily tool grease after I finished the Man1 man oil.
The brand (LouAna) I got has no smell or taste as stated on the label![/QUOTE]Ah, just one of Coconut oils many uses.
[QUOTE=NeedyUnchin;3499396]I'd appreciate some advice.
I am visiting Vegas and messaged some SBs asking if they would see an out of towner / love to grab a drink / blah blah. Also mentioned I visit throughout yr for work, so maybe occasional meetups but not regular SD.
Well one said sure! $500/ hr for her time for drinks and convo. Pass.
But I've had several agree to meet up for drinks. No mention of $ yet. Asking when / where and seem a little more grounded.
Would you bring $$$ up now before meeting? My concern is I don't really want to waste time on a girl with ridiculous expectations.
I guess I'm asking how you screen for matching expectations ahead of time or is this unrealistic?[/QUOTE]I have tried Vegas once it seems there to many with GPS, asking way too much for the quality!
[QUOTE=Rvaexec60;3501789]I have been chatting with this Asian student on SA. Anyone out there willing to share your experiences with her. I she more UTR than sugar babby.[/QUOTE]Chatted with her few times while back did not go any further, my opinion she just might be passing time and wasting ours.
Some time back, I conducted a survey here asking for submissions on two different subjects: daytime hotel options, and tactics for anonymity (prepaid cc, phone, and website membership), for purposes of the Index and FAQ thread, because these two questions arise on a regular basis. The hotel portion of the survey went pretty well, but there was not a lot of activity around the anonymity portion of the survey (not enough to create a new FAQ entry at least), so I thought I would give that one one more try.
I'm collecting this information for purposes of adding value to the index and FAQ -- I actually don't need answers to either question, because I only sugar date when I already have a room for multi-day overnight travel stays, and I also have no reason to worry about billing my hotels or website memberships directly to my card. I do however hide my true identity from the SBs, just in case.
I will post the survey question again, hoping for better results. Below that, I am going to post a couple of "tips" that I don't think I've talked about in the past, just in the interest of trying to contribute something since I haven't been writing much lately.
Survey question (please contribute an answer if you can):
(#1) Prepaid credit cards and handling anonymous website memberships (if applicable to you):
A. Where do you buy yours? (Specific store, card label etc)?
B. How much balance do you typically load onto it?
C. What is the process you use to retain privacy / anonymity?
D. Does it require you to tie the card to a phone, and if so do you use a burner phone?
E. Any other helpful tips or things to be aware of you can add?
Above I promised to add some random tips that may help someone, somewhere, so here they are:
1. If you let your babies in your personal vehicle, EVER, then I highly recommend replacing carpet floor mats with all-weather ones. It protects you from a number of forms of evidence. Rubber surfaces make it easier to see and vacuum out strands of hair that do not match your SO's hair color, which might otherwise get snagged (missed by vacuuming). Traces of your spunk (if you have car sex and some of misses the target) are easier to spot and clean. Also, carpet sometimes reveals footprints that can only be seen from certain angles. I didn't even realize this for the first 40 years or so of my life, but once, my SO said "who has been in your car?" and that "feeling" washed over me for a moment. You guys know exactly that brief wave of panic I'm talking about, when her alarm system triggers yours.
I said "what do you mean", so she proceeds to tell me that there is a footprint from a female that looks like sexy boots. Holy shit I though, yes they were sexy boots, I'm just surprised she didn't correctly announce the color of the boots and the age and weight of the girl! I said "where? I couldn't even see the imprint, you had to be riding in the passenger seat for the light to cast on the slightly indented carpet just right. When I finally saw it, the real horror set in, because to this day I have no idea how she could tell what kind of footwear caused that particular imprint, it was not like a sneaker imprint in the mud or anything. My point here is that females have this CRAZY radar for things like this. Hairs we can't see, smells we can't smell. They just recognize things we don't.
I explained it away as maybe one of those "service girls" from the upscale dealership that gets in the car long enough to read the registration info or similar? I said who knows what they do with these cars while they are in for service. It was an effective save, but since then I only do all-weather floor mats. That and vacuuming after a girl has been in the car seems to be all that's needed.
2. If any of you guys are in sales or have specific training in things like critical thinking and policy, this is going to seem ridiculously obvious to you, but I'm surprised at how many people fail to carry the concept that works so well in business deals over to their interactions with SBs. The concept I want to describe here involves using a form of the socratic method to arrive at what you really want (which is in this case is sex with a hot young thing) by subtly asking questions of your "opponent" (she's not really on your team yet if her panties aren't on the floor yet right? So consider her an opponent until that time) that are guaranteed to invoke a positive response. Think about that part for a minute, I did not say guaranteed to result in sex -- that's too lofty a goal, at first. You just want the guarantee of a positive response, a "YES" answer from her. And remember the subtlety requirement, so we are not talking about asking her if a certain allowance sounds good or not. The idea behind all this, from a psychology standpoint, is that whether or not a person answers yes or no to anything affects every part of their mental state (even what's going on with them physiologically at that moment in time). So, by doing whatever is necessary to get the ball rolling in the YES direction prior to actually swooping in on what you really want, your chances of getting the desired result is greatly increased. By doing this, you're basically creating the preconditions where a win in your favor is highly probable before you ever actually start playing the game. Basically slanting the odds in your favor before the race even starts.
Sometimes people ask me for specific examples of these questions, and the problem with this is that they are highly situational, and context is everything. I always say, there is no such thing as a one-liner. That's why I think this particular principle is easy to follow, it is backed by so much common sense and intuition (it's easy to remember you want to get YES coming out of her mouth as much as possible, regardless of the actual questions being answered, and that NO answers are undesirable no matter the question).
I will give a fabricated example of conversation that takes advantage of this. Let's say SB is maybe 21 yrs old but has 3 dogs that are her pride and joy (I. E. Think vet bills). Some examples:
Good -- "They are beautiful dogs, do they require a lot of care"? (yes).
Good -- "I'll bet they are like your children, you want to give them the very best care possible"? (yes).
Good -- "Providing for them must be a lot of responsibility" (yes).
The farther she goes down the yes road, the less distance between the panties and the floor.
Bad -- "I bet taking care of three dogs gets expensive, is that why you're looking for assistance?" (setting up a no here).
This is the kind of mistake you don't want to make if executing this tactic.
(#1) Prepaid credit cards and handling anonymous website memberships (if applicable to you):
A. Where do you buy yours? (Specific store, card label etc)?
Safeway, $20-$500 Visa Gift Card.
B. How much balance do you typically load onto it?
$80 (for 1 month premium subscription).
C. What is the process you use to retain privacy / anonymity?
I've only done this several times, but pay for gift card with cash and register online with fake name, fake street address, real city, real state, real zip code.
D. Does it require you to tie the card to a phone, and if so do you use a burner phone?
Yes, so I tie it to a burner phone.
E. Any other helpful tips or things to be aware of you can add?
Probably not good for long term premium subscriptions, but I've been doing a month, take a break and then another month.
CNBC American Greed about John Fox- wine and Internet dating.
Evidently he spent $900 k in one year. Eventually was blackmailed by a woman from Seattle.
Be careful out there!
[QUOTE=BikeRider;3503172]CNBC American Greed about John Fox- wine and Internet dating. Evidently he spent $900 k in one year. Eventually was blackmailed by a woman from Seattle.
Be careful out there![/QUOTE]Saw that a couple of days ago, and it was actually what triggered my memory that the anonymous survey was still a work in progress. All sugar daddies, and even sugar babies, should research that story. Lots of lessons there for both SDs and SBs.
For those who haven't seen it, John Fox ran a ponzi scheme of sorts involving premium bottles of wine, collecting pre-payment for bottles he wasn't sure if he could even fulfill, reserving the same bottle of wine for multiple customers and collecting pre-payment from each of them (triple dipping), and subsequently living large. He was in his mid-60's but had a Filipina wife who I would guess was maybe late 30's, and a daughter (not sure of age maybe 18-19), and was sugar dating through SA, OK Cupid, and maybe others. One of his SBs was an asian girl (Korean I think) who was a serial SB that regularly ran extortion shakedowns on her SDs. J. F. Apparently only saw her a couple of times, but it was enough for her to target him as a big payoff daddy and run her game on him.
All the typical shit starting with: "forgot to tell you I wasn't on birth control, and now I'm pregnant", getting increasingly worse, threatening to talk to his wife and daughter and stalking them on social media, threatening to get him thrown in jail for his business dealings, and so on. Apparently made a good living off him for a while, until the feds started cracking down on him for the wine scam, at which he had no more to lose at that point and she lost her leverage.
Perhaps the only good that came out of the story was that the SB was convicted on her blackmail activity and ordered to pay over a quarter of a million bucks to some of J. F. s wine victims. J. F. Of course went to jail, his wife and daughter didn't even show up to court to support him, he literally lost it all.
She could still be sugaring for all we know, maybe some guys on this board are helping her payoff her restitution debt? She would say its for tuition I'm sure. She is known to fly to meet her victims, so she could be a threat to any city regardless of where she is living now. Research this story and get to know her face, but also keep in mind there are many like her out there of all races and ages.
Bad part about it is that J. F. Himself struck me as not much worse than the average guy or SD. He was very forthcoming about admitting all his crimes, and to my knowledge never had malice as an intent, he just got addicted to the sex and the money that made it possible.
Sugaring basically. I've talked a lot about playing the game and not letting the game play you. Hold onto your anonymity, stay away from social media, take breaks from dating if you feel addiction starting, don't do anything illegal, and be selective about which girls you get involved with.
I'd encourage everyone to research the John Fox story as an example of what not to do, as Bikerider indicates.
When I saw it, I actually wondered if J.F. was one of the SDs that has disappeared from the pages of USASG.
[QUOTE=JZLizard;3503740] Sugaring basically. I've talked a lot about playing the game and not letting the game play you. Hold onto your anonymity, stay away from social media, take breaks from dating if you feel addiction starting, don't do anything illegal, and be selective about which girls you get involved with.
I'd encourage everyone to research the John Fox story as an example of what not to do, as Bikerider indicates. [/QUOTE]The lessons in the JF case and this statement are hugely important to all SD's!
I recently was setting up a first meet with an incredibly hot POT in my area. She kept on pressing for my name, place of business, and social media info (including linked in). Although she was just my type it made me uncomfortable to think how intrusive she would be going forward, so I cancelled the meet and moved on. Not worth the potential problems.
Yaya.
(#1) Prepaid credit cards and handling anonymous website memberships (if applicable to you):
A. Where do you buy yours? (Specific store, card label etc)?
CVS or Walgreens.
B. How much balance do you typically load onto it?
$80 (one month. I usually only reactivate every 6 months).
C. What is the process you use to retain privacy / anonymity?
Prepaid AMEX Serve card works great and has no fees! Just pay cash at register for extra anonymity.
D. Does it require you to tie the card to a phone, and if so do you use a burner phone?
No, but I use GV for everything regarding this.
E. Any other helpful tips or things to be aware of you can add?
I like the 'day rate' for airport area hotels. Other than that I would recommend Choice Hotels as they are extremely generous with early check ins and late check outs. They are also generous with free hotel stays and other promotions.
[QUOTE=YayaGogo;3503774]The lessons in the JF case and this statement are hugely important to all SD's!
I recently was setting up a first meet with an incredibly hot POT in my area. She kept on pressing for my name, place of business, and social media info (including linked in). Although she was just my type it made me uncomfortable to think how intrusive she would be going forward, so I cancelled the meet and moved on. Not worth the potential problems.
Yaya.[/QUOTE]It all comes down to being selective in your choices. Alot of these girls are bottom barrel girls who resort to that type of behavior, but it's far and few between even with them. I find it funny that guys who do their due diligence to almost if not considered stalking of the girls have problems with girls who do the same gathering info. A girl who does the same thing a guy does is considered a danger or threat or crazy. Being a sd carries the same risk as mongering, what do you have to lose and is it worth it to you to take the chance. Making good selections and being a good daddy eliminates 99% of any of these type of problems.
[QUOTE=YayaGogo;3503774]The lessons in the JF case and this statement are hugely important to all SD's!
I recently was setting up a first meet with an incredibly hot POT in my area. She kept on pressing for my name, place of business, and social media info (including linked in). Although she was just my type it made me uncomfortable to think how intrusive she would be going forward, so I cancelled the meet and moved on. Not worth the potential problems.
Yaya.[/QUOTE]One thing that came to my mind when I saw the JF story -- if this girl has to spread her legs even once to make payments on the nearly three hundred grand in restitution she owes, doesn't that mean that those that convicted her have basically sex trafficked her? Piling so much debt on her that she has no choice but to fuck her way out from under it? LOL. Someone should bring that to their attention the next time they shut down a rub and tug joint.
Thanks for the contributions to the survey by the way, for all that have participated so far. I'm noting the message numbers for later posting to the FAQ/Index.
[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3503829]It all comes down to being selective in your choices. Alot of these girls are bottom barrel girls who resort to that type of behavior, but it's far and few between even with them. I find it funny that guys who do their due diligence to almost if not considered stalking of the girls have problems with girls who do the same gathering info. A girl who does the same thing a guy does is considered a danger or threat or crazy. Being a sd carries the same risk as mongering, what do you have to lose and is it worth it to you to take the chance. Making good selections and being a good daddy eliminates 99% of any of these type of problems.[/QUOTE]From what I've seen on the Richmond thread and others here, the probability of an SB taking advantage of the situation in an SB / SD arrangement feels a lot higher than 1% to me. I myself have been victim to the pregnancy scare more than once in my life, admittedly only in civy-but-cheating situations, so they weren't based on extorting money (more like blackmailing me for the attention they wanted). The one that actually was pregnant (confirmed with medical paperwork) was a semi-SB, would not take direct payment but was lining me up for something long-term. It is very common. Everyone's mileage varies, but I would say that the percent probability of running into a highly undesirable situation of female leverage actually increases the longer you stay with one woman, even if other conditions remain constant. This is why I have escaped major problems with sugar dating, I present myself as an occasional / casual daddy -- maybe this repels the trouble makers?
So, even if, every time a new SB date occurs, there is only a 5% chance that she is looking for a situation to take advantage of, if you run into one of the five percent, each successive date with her increases your chance of a major problem. It is also possible for a girl who is well outside of that 5% to be converted to a troublemaker through circumstance, for example develops an emotional attachment to the SD or just has an addictive or obsessive personality, gets used to steady sugar, and becomes a woman scorned when it ends.
I do agree that being selective is incredibly important, and also it is as you said a game of risk / reward. You have to assess, with reason, what you could possibly lose worst case scenario and play the game accordingly. The flaw there, and the real challenge, is that this assessment with reason must be done completely with your brain and not your dick. I am known to be incredibly self-disciplined, yet even I have trouble thinking objectively once I dip my stick in the sugar bowl. Sex with beautiful young girls is as addictive as any drug, and it can affect our judgment about "what we have to lose" just like a drug. This is the value in discussing some of these principles.
I am not of the opinion that simply treating the girl well can prevent situations like the John Fox story. He stumbled across a serial extortionist, and there is nothing about his interactions with her that would have changed the outcome. What could have changed his outcome is if he had not revealed too much about himself to her, and made sure she did not have access to his real name, what type of business he was involved with, etc. Apparently he had a habit of giving way too much information to these girls, so it was probably only a matter of time. The other factor that ruined him was, of course, the size of the opportunity as perceived by the girl. The more wealth and generosity / gullibility a girl perceives in her SD, the more temptation she will have to find ways to exploit the situation. This puts the super rich guys (particularly married ones) at a disadvantage and makes anonymity that much more important.
I'm sure JF saw no reason not to hook up with her in the beginning. He had enough options such that if she gave off dangerous vibes, he would have certainly avoided. A manipulative woman who is practiced in her craft can be very difficult to spot, this is why I don't think selectivity can be the only tactic for avoiding trouble.
[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;3500947]My College Bunny told me about a friend in need of some cash. I met her at a coffee shop. I got hard just looking at this cute little morsel and listening to her high pitched voice. For a reasonable donation she was willing to take a ride with me in my car and go dunking for apples. That was so hot that I offered a further donation to get a hotel room. This girl was one of the sweetest and hottest pieces of ass I have ever had! She would do anything I wanted, including holding her ankles while she gave my willy a sloppy DT.
Life IS very good my brothers![/QUOTE]Great gal. I hope you made some hot videos with her. LOL.