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[QUOTE=Incognito1234;5522925]No worries. The stimulus checks are ending and unless Delta and Lambda put us in another lockdown, more strippers will start filtering back in. Competition will put things back on our side.[/QUOTE]But the stimulus checks and unemployment also ends for mongers. Supply and demand might not change.
[QUOTE=HeeJunk;5524012]But the stimulus checks and unemployment also ends for mongers. Supply and demand might not change.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I'm a bartender so I'm crossing my fingers hoping that I can still get by on nights I'm walking with less than a hundred dollars.
Hello guys. Was at the Cricket today. Had a quick stop little after 2nd shift started. Thought it was a good number of girls for the night. Was there earlier and Amber caught my eye. But she was just to herself for the most part.
Evening line up was good mix. Didn't catch all the names but spoke to Brittany. Good conversation and sounded like she is a good time back there. She had to get on stage and I had to leave soon after.
Leeyana caught my eye and wanted to take her back but she was occupied with a regular. Anyone seen her before? I didn't find any past reviews of her. She sounded positive when I tipped on stage & said she will stop by after her regular. But I had to leave.
Any info is appreciated / pm is fine.
Happy hunting.
Any idea if Blue from BT's is at a different club now? Haven't seen her in BT's in a few weeks.
[QUOTE=HeeJunk;5524012]But the stimulus checks and unemployment also ends for mongers. Supply and demand might not change.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you don't understand how supply and demand affect pricing.
The supply of strippers will increase without stimulus checks.
The demand for strippers will decrease without stimulus checks.
The pricing will drop.
[QUOTE=SilentStorm;5524320]Hello guys. Was at the Cricket today. Had a quick stop little after 2nd shift started. Thought it was a good number of girls for the night. Was there earlier and Amber caught my eye. But she was just to herself for the most part.
Evening line up was good mix. Didn't catch all the names but spoke to Brittany. Good conversation and sounded like she is a good time back there. She had to get on stage and I had to leave soon after.
Leeyana caught my eye and wanted to take her back but she was occupied with a regular. Anyone seen her before? I didn't find any past reviews of her. She sounded positive when I tipped on stage & said she will stop by after her regular. But I had to leave.
Any info is appreciated / pm is fine.
Happy hunting.[/QUOTE]Can you describe what Brittany looked like.
[QUOTE=MareloboMex;5520802]Pay up front don't do it. I was tempted but walked away.
I was recently in bts and criket.
I found Winter attractive and negotiated to go to the VIP with her, as soon as we hit the room she asked for payment and I could not persuade her otherwise and walked out.
I liked Chloe even more and negotiated to go to the VIP with her, as soon as we hit the room she asked for payment and I could not persuade her otherwise and walked out.
I left frustrated and drove over to Criket. I talked to Leela, an ex Flight Club girl. We negotiated to go to the VIP and she at least saved me the trouble of walking in and walking out by telling me at the table that she insists on payment up front.
Perhaps the session would have been ok with one or all of these girls. They are three attractive girls in my humble opinion. I know beauty is subjective. I am curious if others are having successful session with them.
I seriously considered trying and seeing what happened, but I have had too many bad experiences with paying up front and that I decided it was better not to do a session the VIP.
I encourage others to behave similarly.
MM.[/QUOTE]I was also there Tuesday afternoon. One girl on stage, 2 AA at bar with customers. The two at the bar, went back to the VIP shortly after, girl on stage went back to dressing rooms.
Maybe 12 customers there at the time, with empty stage, and no others visible. Odds did look good, so baled after first drink. Sounds like is a good thing I did not stay.
I've only paid up front once, and was at H8 N, and regretted it immediately.
Never do it, it's a sure sign of disappointment coming your way.
[QUOTE=HoldenCaul;5523941]This happened to me at cricket a couple of years ago. It was clear to me that the manager was in on the scam. Never been back and never will be.[/QUOTE]Yes, I believe the manager was most definitely in on it. He "victim blames" while knowing full well what the rob was up to. It is the first booth to the left with table in place. She probably had that planned before I even got to the booth.
After he treated me like a piece of garbage right after being ripped the Cricket is on my shit list. If someone offered me a million dollars to go to the Cricket I would turn it down. If it was just the dancer that would be one thing. But management supports the ROB's 100% and blames you. Not cool at all.
I don't go to any Detroit clubs because of that type of atmosphere. Frankly, I never felt comfortable in Dearborn either. Lots of reports on BT's, etc. But even though I hear the dancers are much hotter and extra's are available I would never go primarily because they are in Dearborn.
[QUOTE=Bpmfarhat;5523819]After 3 songs, The really petite and skinny black girl dancing at bogarts now told me she doesn't honor $10 Tuesday pricing. She is there for extras only not 10 dollar dances. I loudly told her too late here is your 30 bucks get lost. With signs everywhere saying $10 dances on Tuesdays could management not take your side?[/QUOTE]Sparkle, yeah she is alright but if you let your guard down she will try to take advantage of it. Been back a few times with her the first time she tried to change what we agreed on, had a small argument but since then she has been fine.
I had a free few hours today and hit up H8 north this afternoon for the first time since before COVID. Decent number of girls dancing maybe 5 white girls and 4 black girls. Cute little black spinner with some killed curves named Tiny sat down and we talked a bit until she was called on stage. Also on stage was a thick white dancer named Vixen. Mid-20's, tats, septum piercing, c cup tits and a pretty nice ass, she did have a little gut, but she was right up my alley. I tipped her on stage and she came by after her set. She said today was her first day dancing in Detroit (she was a dancer in Flint). She was a good conversationalist and wasn't pushy for dances, but we went back to the VIP. I was just going for a few "test dances" but when she heard another girl getting pounded, she knew she was "safe" to play I guess. She said she wanted to give me a BJ and asked what a had "she would work with me". I went $120 total including song count and she agreed. She started with a nice BBBJ and then asked me to pound her "she hadn't had cock in months". She was super wet and tight she was dirty talking and way too much fun. She reminded me of another thick white girl, Cashmere. I would repeat in a heartbeat and did get some digits for a hopeful OTC visit.
[QUOTE=Incognito1234;5522895]Everyone knows what goes on there. It sounds like the manager is in on that scam. He's either getting a piece of the cash or dating the dancer.
I'll cross the Criket off my list for the clubs to go back too.[/QUOTE]Been feeling this way after getting scammed twice there. Never going back, better places in the area.
[QUOTE=Kesaneco;5524686]Can you describe what Brittany looked like.[/QUOTE]She was white, tall & slim. Slightly blonde hair till shoulders, curled a bit. Not much to talk about tits. Good ass though.
If you like skinny, she would be good fit.
They had ten dancers with fifteen customers when I arrived. In my opinion, Bubbles and Kimbella were the head-turners. Bubbles, white dark hair slender build, is supposedly dance only. Listed below are dancers that I either previously sampled or interacted with this evening.
Ashley: 30 ish, white, dark hair, small tits, short height, and has a nice backside. She provided a worthwhile session at Bogart's in 2013.
Bunny: 20's, black, dark hair, B-cup tits, petite build, and has a nice backside. Her requiring the first half to be covered wasn't viable for my second session tonight.
Kimbella: 20's, black, dyed blonde / red hair, C-cup tits, petite build, and has a nice backside. She provided a worthwhile session today. I would repeat.
Remy: 30 ish, white, dark hair, small tits, slenderish build, and has a nice backside. A three song limit isn't palatable to me. However, I appreciated her honesty.
Vaida: 30 ish, white, dark hair, small tits, tall height, and a thin build. She provided a mediocre session here in 2014. I wouldn't repeat.
Total damage was 150 for cover charge, a beer, VIP tax, dances, and tips. Pic is labeled.
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Vaida: 30 ish, white, dark hair, small tits, tall height, and a thin build. She provided a mediocre session here in 2014. I wouldn't repeat.[/QUOTE]The last report I saw a few months ago about Vaida was that she was pregnant. How's she looking after giving birth? Has her body been affected much?
[QUOTE=Incognito1234;5527569]The last report I saw a few months ago about Vaida was that she was pregnant. How's she looking after giving birth? Has her body been affected much?[/QUOTE]I saw her yesterday, Her body is fairly well back to normal. A little paunch but other than that still thin and fit.
The three clubs that have bathroom valet are BT's, LS and FC, the LS is far and away the best one of the three, the main guy there is personable and nice enough that you almost enjoy giving him a tip!
The guy at BT's is very friendly and talkative, he puts lots of ice in the urinals to keep them smelling clean, BT's and the LS also have complimentary aspirin if needed for when the loud music or the smoke gets bad, the trolls at FC are almost unbearable, they act as if they are doing you a favor by taking your tip, they have a tv in the bathroom but they only watch what they want to watch, not what most customers want to see, they are not at all appreciative and have zero personality, they are in all reality a major detriment to what is otherwise a great club, the bathrooms do not stay as clean as they should be as the night goes on, I dread having to go pee at FC and actually breath a sigh of relief if they are not in there at the time I go, and not because of the measly dollars either, it is because of how they operate and how they are.
[QUOTE=JackOfClubs;5528331]The three clubs that have bathroom valet are BT's, LS and FC, the LS is far and away the best one of the three, the main guy there is personable and nice enough that you almost enjoy giving him a tip!
The guy at BT's is very friendly and talkative, he puts lots of ice in the urinals to keep them smelling clean, BT's and the LS also have complimentary aspirin if needed for when the loud music or the smoke gets bad, the trolls at FC are almost unbearable, they act as if they are doing you a favor by taking your tip, they have a tv in the bathroom but they only watch what they want to watch, not what most customers want to see, they are not at all appreciative and have zero personality, they are in all reality a major detriment to what is otherwise a great club, the bathrooms do not stay as clean as they should be as the night goes on, I dread having to go pee at FC and actually breath a sigh of relief if they are not in there at the time I go, and not because of the measly dollars either, it is because of how they operate and how they are.[/QUOTE]First time I have ever seen someone rank the bathroom attendants, I just piss and use hand sanitizer and keep it moving.
[QUOTE=DooMama7;5529154]First time I have ever seen someone rank the bathroom attendants, I just piss and use hand sanitizer and keep it moving.[/QUOTE]Well then, I'll rate the Bogart's and Henry's bathrooms: Absolutely filthy. Sometimes, it seems like you need an oar to wade through the piss on the floor.
[QUOTE=TimeTwist;5527917]I saw her yesterday, Her body is fairly well back to normal. A little paunch but other than that still thin and fit.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info! Veida / Vade is an attractive girl and am I'm glad to here that things are back in order.
[QUOTE=DooMama7;5529154]First time I have ever seen someone rank the bathroom attendants, I just piss and use hand sanitizer and keep it moving.[/QUOTE]And who cares about what's on TV in the john at a strip club? It's for the attendant. That poor guy has to sit in there all night.
[QUOTE=KPlank;5525669]I had a free few hours today and hit up H8 north this afternoon for the first time since before COVID. Decent number of girls dancing maybe 5 white girls and 4 black girls. Cute little black spinner with some killed curves named Tiny sat down and we talked a bit until she was called on stage. Also on stage was a thick white dancer named Vixen. Mid-20's, tats, septum piercing, c cup tits and a pretty nice ass, she did have a little gut, but she was right up my alley. I tipped her on stage and she came by after her set. She said today was her first day dancing in Detroit (she was a dancer in Flint). She was a good conversationalist and wasn't pushy for dances, but we went back to the VIP. I was just going for a few "test dances" but when she heard another girl getting pounded, she knew she was "safe" to play I guess. She said she wanted to give me a BJ and asked what a had "she would work with me". I went $120 total including song count and she agreed. She started with a nice BBBJ and then asked me to pound her "she hadn't had cock in months". She was super wet and tight she was dirty talking and way too much fun. She reminded me of another thick white girl, Cashmere. I would repeat in a heartbeat and did get some digits for a hopeful OTC visit.[/QUOTE]Did she let you pound her bare?
[QUOTE=RichWalter1;5530934]Did she let you pound her bare?[/QUOTE]That's correct. Little head won. Not something I usually do.
[QUOTE=KPlank;5531008]That's correct. Little head won. Not something I usually do.[/QUOTE]Oh yeah, I understand. Little head makes you do things you normally wouldn't do, but bare feels so good. Seems like not too many are even willing to go bare anymore.
[QUOTE=KPlank;5531008]That's correct. Little head won. Not something I usually do.[/QUOTE]Years ago, early in my hobby, I was at Hustler in the VIP with a hot blonde and we negotiated was a BBBJ. She went fully nude and all of a sudden she sits on top of me and slips me in bare. After a couple of strokes, I freak out a little and push her off me and say no. I'm not looking for that. To this day. I regret not busting one off inside her!
[QUOTE=RayRaynor;5531421]Years ago, early in my hobby, I was at Hustler in the VIP with a hot blonde and we negotiated was a BBBJ. She went fully nude and all of a sudden she sits on top of me and slips me in bare. After a couple of strokes, I freak out a little and push her off me and say no. I'm not looking for that. To this day. I regret not busting one off inside her![/QUOTE]Yeah, but uncovered FS with these type of girls exponentially increases your risk of getting an STD.
Hey gents any extras / details on Raven at Coliseum. Dark hair with tattoos?? Tia.
[QUOTE=DooMama7;5529154]First time I have ever seen someone rank the bathroom attendants, I just piss and use hand sanitizer and keep it moving.[/QUOTE]LMAO must have been a slow day.
[QUOTE=Studly77;5525152]Yes, I believe the manager was most definitely in on it. He "victim blames" while knowing full well what the rob was up to. It is the first booth to the left with table in place. She probably had that planned before I even got to the booth.
After he treated me like a piece of garbage right after being ripped the Cricket is on my shit list. If someone offered me a million dollars to go to the Cricket I would turn it down. If it was just the dancer that would be one thing. But management supports the ROB's 100% and blames you. Not cool at all.
I don't go to any Detroit clubs because of that type of atmosphere. Frankly, I never felt comfortable in Dearborn either. Lots of reports on BT's, etc. But even though I hear the dancers are much hotter and extra's are available I would never go primarily because they are in Dearborn.[/QUOTE]Agree with you 100% on Cricket. I posted this back when it happened but it was so obvious to me the manager was in on it, it was actually comical. He made this big dramatic, "well, I spoke with her, and we have a problem. She says you did blah blah blah and, . " I just walked away. Wrote them off forever.
Now, disagree with on on Dearborn at least when it comes to BT's. I had one problem there in 6 years, and it was handled to my satisfaction, and I keep going back. Others will surely disagree but that's fine. Point is I don't think the city it's in has anything to do with it.
[QUOTE=HoldenCaul;5532198]Agree with you 100% on Cricket. I posted this back when it happened but it was so obvious to me the manager was in on it, it was actually comical. He made this big dramatic, "well, I spoke with her, and we have a problem. She says you did blah blah blah and, . " I just walked away. Wrote them off forever.
Now, disagree with on on Dearborn at least when it comes to BT's. I had one problem there in 6 years, and it was handled to my satisfaction, and I keep going back. Others will surely disagree but that's fine. Point is I don't think the city it's in has anything to do with it.[/QUOTE]You are right. I should not unfairly stereotype cities. Truth is BT's is probably way out of my budget. I am sure they have actual strippers though.
[QUOTE=HeeJunk;5524012]But the stimulus checks and unemployment also ends for mongers. Supply and demand might not change.[/QUOTE]The clubs might be the same.
[QUOTE=Studly77;5532407]You are right. I should not unfairly stereotype cities. Truth is BT's is probably way out of my budget. I am sure they have actual strippers though.[/QUOTE]Sadly, it's fast becoming out of my budget too. Back to Henry's for me.
A few weeks ago I went to BT's so my sick (ill) buddy could have some fun.
Shot girl was good, a few tips and shots and groping, by the stage was allowed. Just ask first.
We talk about GPS, now it is PPS (Platinum pussy syndrome). One girl offered $500. Others like shot girl would not go lower than $200. Though out call was available. I got my friend a lap dance with a, eh stripper (no tirs, but he loved her), $40. She kept trying to switch to &60. I was not going to fuss, he really liked her, and what the hell.
While he was out I tried negotiating a tad heavier and could not get people to budge. However, talking to the seasoned vets in there, using money, has advantages.
Shot girl and strippers gets drunker throughout the night. She is in her 30's teeth are not perfect but nice body and firm tits. She got as low as $175, wherever. She stated that most of the girls will drop prices through out the night. Throw some dollars at them and they will sit by you and let you feel around. She and another said be patient and you will get better deals.
One thing I noticed on a Friday night was, it was packed but no one was using the VIP. I left at 11 pm.
That's what happened, I rarely go to clubs so I have no idea if it aligns.
[QUOTE=Studly77;5522144]Well, hard lessons learned today. After not paying up front agreed to set some money on the table. After a few minutes the dancer snatched the money and jetted. When I told the manager what happened he asked if I exposed myself in the VIP. Well, I did not lie and told him I did but he promptly said that was illegal and to get the heck out. He mentioned he could call the cops on me. Zero mention on the money and frankly he seemed like he did not give a fuck about my loss.
Well, I am actually not mad as that was a real wake up call. It was cold and harsh but is now a brick wall between me and strip clubs. Hell would freeze over before I ever step foot in the Silver Cricket again. Maybe they don't want us there. No not maybe. Get the hell out means get out and stay out.
As far as being ripped off that is a cold lesson too. First off, we should not have to give the women anything. It is they who are blackmailing us. I would never force a woman to do anything for romance, sex or whatever. They however do force us to pay or we end up being virgins. And yes, I have asked in the past for free and the answer was no. I did not ask everyone but it would probably be pointless anyway.
So as of today all strip clubs are out. All generosity is gone to zero. Another cold day in hell before they get a dime from me..[/QUOTE]What should the manager have done in your opinion? Should he tell her to go suck your dick like she agreed to? Should he tell her to give you back your money? Suppose she refuses, should he fire her? You were kicked out because you were causing a problem. You paid in advance, once you pay, the dance is over. I read about a guy an h8 n who paid, she went to "get a condom" and sat at the bar leaving him there in the VIP! You'll never go back to the cricket, well they don't want you back. You'll have the same thing happen at most strip clubs. Look back a few posts and read about how MM walked out on several dancers demanding up front payment.
Why do dancers want to be paid in advance? They'll say they've had guys get dances and refuse to pay. Why do guys refuse to pay? It's because they didn't receive the agreed upon service. If you don't get the service you can just pay for the dances. She may tell the bouncer but he won't do anything. If a dancer has issues with several guys in one night the bouncers will tell her to stop causing problems.
NEVER PAY IN ADVANCE! Leaving the money on the table is paying in advance.
[QUOTE=Wiggles0923;5533360]A few weeks ago I went to BT's so my sick (ill) buddy could have some fun.
Shot girl was good, a few tips and shots and groping, by the stage was allowed. Just ask first.
We talk about GPS, now it is PPS (Platinum pussy syndrome). One girl offered $500. Others like shot girl would not go lower than $200. Though out call was available. I got my friend a lap dance with a, eh stripper (no tirs, but he loved her), $40. She kept trying to switch to &60. I was not going to fuss, he really liked her, and what the hell.
While he was out I tried negotiating a tad heavier and could not get people to budge. However, talking to the seasoned vets in there, using money, has advantages.
Shot girl and strippers gets drunker throughout the night. She is in her 30's teeth are not perfect but nice body and firm tits. She got as low as $175, wherever. She stated that most of the girls will drop prices through out the night. Throw some dollars at them and they will sit by you and let you feel around. She and another said be patient and you will get better deals.
One thing I noticed on a Friday night was, it was packed but no one was using the VIP. I left at 11 pm.
That's what happened, I rarely go to clubs so I have no idea if it aligns.[/QUOTE]Weekday at 1 pm. Similar experience. Nothing under 2. No girls over 7.
Does anyone know if the petite server at Cricket ever goes in the back? LOL she's crazy sexy.
[QUOTE=Wiggles0923;5533360]A few weeks ago I went to BT's so my sick (ill) buddy could have some fun.
Shot girl was good, a few tips and shots and groping, by the stage was allowed. Just ask first.
We talk about GPS, now it is PPS (Platinum pussy syndrome). One girl offered $500. Others like shot girl would not go lower than $200. Though out call was available. I got my friend a lap dance with a, eh stripper (no tirs, but he loved her), $40. She kept trying to switch to &60. I was not going to fuss, he really liked her, and what the hell.
While he was out I tried negotiating a tad heavier and could not get people to budge. However, talking to the seasoned vets in there, using money, has advantages.
Shot girl and strippers gets drunker throughout the night. She is in her 30's teeth are not perfect but nice body and firm tits. She got as low as $175, wherever. She stated that most of the girls will drop prices through out the night. Throw some dollars at them and they will sit by you and let you feel around. She and another said be patient and you will get better deals.
One thing I noticed on a Friday night was, it was packed but no one was using the VIP. I left at 11 pm.
That's what happened, I rarely go to clubs so I have no idea if it aligns.[/QUOTE]Just curious what did the shot girl look like? Physical appearance wise?
[QUOTE=XMailMan;5533769]Just curious what did the shot girl look like? Physical appearance wise?[/QUOTE]Let me see. Thin 5'6" wonky teeth but not too bad. B cup, nice legs, red or brown hair (was dark). Down river MILF comes to mind.
[QUOTE=Wiggles0923;5533360]A few weeks ago I went to BT's so my sick (ill) buddy could have some fun.
Shot girl was good, a few tips and shots and groping, by the stage was allowed. Just ask first.
We talk about GPS, now it is PPS (Platinum pussy syndrome). One girl offered $500. Others like shot girl would not go lower than $200. Though out call was available. I got my friend a lap dance with a, eh stripper (no tirs, but he loved her), $40. She kept trying to switch to &60. I was not going to fuss, he really liked her, and what the hell.
While he was out I tried negotiating a tad heavier and could not get people to budge. However, talking to the seasoned vets in there, using money, has advantages.
Shot girl and strippers gets drunker throughout the night. She is in her 30's teeth are not perfect but nice body and firm tits. She got as low as $175, wherever. She stated that most of the girls will drop prices through out the night. Throw some dollars at them and they will sit by you and let you feel around. She and another said be patient and you will get better deals.
One thing I noticed on a Friday night was, it was packed but no one was using the VIP. I left at 11 pm.
That's what happened, I rarely go to clubs so I have no idea if it aligns.[/QUOTE]Great report Thank you.
[QUOTE=Wiggles0923;5533360]A few weeks ago I went to BT's so my sick (ill) buddy could have some fun.
Shot girl was good, a few tips and shots and groping, by the stage was allowed. Just ask first.
We talk about GPS, now it is PPS (Platinum pussy syndrome). One girl offered $500. Others like shot girl would not go lower than $200. Though out call was available. I got my friend a lap dance with a, eh stripper (no tirs, but he loved her), $40. She kept trying to switch to &60. I was not going to fuss, he really liked her, and what the hell.
While he was out I tried negotiating a tad heavier and could not get people to budge. However, talking to the seasoned vets in there, using money, has advantages.
Shot girl and strippers gets drunker throughout the night. She is in her 30's teeth are not perfect but nice body and firm tits. She got as low as $175, wherever. She stated that most of the girls will drop prices through out the night. Throw some dollars at them and they will sit by you and let you feel around. She and another said be patient and you will get better deals.
One thing I noticed on a Friday night was, it was packed but no one was using the VIP. I left at 11 pm.
That's what happened, I rarely go to clubs so I have no idea if it aligns.[/QUOTE]So at bt's and flight club you can fuck shot girls in the club?
[QUOTE=Pussylicker2;5533523]What should the manager have done in your opinion? Should he tell her to go suck your dick like she agreed to? Should he tell her to give you back your money? Suppose she refuses, should he fire her? You were kicked out because you were causing a problem. You paid in advance, once you pay, the dance is over. I read about a guy an h8 n who paid, she went to "get a condom" and sat at the bar leaving him there in the VIP! You'll never go back to the cricket, well they don't want you back. You'll have the same thing happen at most strip clubs. Look back a few posts and read about how MM walked out on several dancers demanding up front payment.
Why do dancers want to be paid in advance? They'll say they've had guys get dances and refuse to pay. Why do guys refuse to pay? It's because they didn't receive the agreed upon service. If you don't get the service you can just pay for the dances. She may tell the bouncer but he won't do anything. If a dancer has issues with several guys in one night the bouncers will tell her to stop causing problems.
NEVER PAY IN ADVANCE! Leaving the money on the table is paying in advance.[/QUOTE]Well, I agree about never paying in advance. But I don't agree with the cause of being kicked out. First, I have never been kicked out of any club, event or anything in my entire life. And I am over 60. That is not my style or demeanor as I am a very laid back person.
I did not expect anything from the manager except for him to say there isn't anything I can do about it. I am not ignorant. I only need to be asked or told once about an issue and generally I adjust. My tone to the manager was conversational not argumentative. The manager was just being a dick.