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[QUOTE=JayTwogo;5911982]Management and staff changes underway. Most of the daytime staff and a good many of the dancers from Allure have moved to RR, and and some RR staff and dancers have moved to Allure. Nightime hours will eventually return to RR but some staffing changes will need to be made first. That's it, that's all I know.[/QUOTE]So is the 8 pm close like a 2 am bar close with last call. Lights turning on ECT.
Haven't been in years. Do they have private rooms now and if so how much?
[QUOTE=GoodEats234;5916137]So is the 8 pm close like a 2 am bar close with last call. Lights turning on ECT.[/QUOTE]Closing time, Turn all of the lights on over every boy and every girl.
Closing time, One last call for alcohol so finish your whiskey or beer.
Closing time, You don't have to go home but you can't stay here.
Everybody sing along.
I went to the Red Room yesterday. I was there for two hours and never saw a girl go on stage. They were all sitting with what I assume are their regulars. Cheap beers though.
Went today / girls were on stage / nothing that caught my attention / left after 1 beer for happier hunting grounds.
[QUOTE=ApMat123;5917712]I went to the Red Room yesterday. I was there for two hours and never saw a girl go on stage. They were all sitting with what I assume are their regulars. Cheap beers though.[/QUOTE]
Went to BA today after leaving the RR / walked in sat at the bar and almost immediately a cute little thing sat down. Name is Jersey she is 5'10 about 85 pounds. Very small tits but a really nice ass.
After a few minutes of conversation she asked what I like to which I responded "blow job". She responded that she like them too. Off to the half hour room, BJ was covered but not rushed got to roam a lot $1. 5 total. She only works Fridays.
[QUOTE=Billsohorney;5918272]Went to BA today after leaving the RR / walked in sat at the bar and almost immediately a cute little thing sat down. Name is Jersey she is 5'10 about 85 pounds. Very small tits but a really nice ass.
[/QUOTE]Did she have a Texas tattoo around her belly button?
RR was hopping Thursday afternoon. I got the last spot in the parking lot at about 3:00 pm. Thursday night was the first night shift since the management change so hours are now 12 noon until 3 am?
There was some sort of grand reopening theme in the afternoon and about 15 dancers, some old Allure staff, some who made the move at least for a while from other clubs. First Porner Stormy Daniels is there this weekend.
Room rates are identical to Allure. One big VIP room up front and some additional smaller rooms in the back past the main stage. Sampled the front room, which was very nice with an elongated sofa, a stripper pole and small stage. It was the good time Pasco Clubs are known for.
Definitely a nice club now and I'm looking forward to seeing which dancers settle in there for good.
Was back out and about a couple Saturdays ago, around 1300 hours.
Allure: few cars in the lot, no one inside. I mean no one. I walked in, music was blasting. No girls, no guys, no barmaid, no manager. NO ONE. Obviously I left.
Brass: a couple guys and the barmaid. I asked her if there were any girls there. Her reply? "Of course not. They're all a bunch of stupid ******, sleeping off their hangovers". True.
Vue: Rose was the only girl. Couple guys, as I was having a beer with Ellie a couple big buys strolled in and although the bar was pretty empty they decided to stand one on each side of me. I recognized the bulge in the one guys pocket, and it was not a boner.
My spidey sense started tingling, so I left.
Pops: several girls, several customers. The Betty Page / Katie Perry want to be was on stage singing karaoke. Ignored her and sat at the bar. One of my favorites joined me, I bought her a drink. She took something out of her purse under the bar and added it to her drink. I asked her if she just rufied herself, she said possibly. Wow. As I pondered this, a girl I used to enjoy until I became her psychiatrist came over. She told my friend "excuse me I just wanted to tell him hi. He was my customer until you stole him!" Then she went back to some other dude. Later, me and my friend went back for a dance. As we were getting comfortable the girl I used to see and the dude pulled open the curtain. Oops!
They went into the next booth and in a few minutes she was moaning like a pornstar only louder. This annoyed my friend so she started doing loud fake moans. I couldn't help laughing, next thing I know Tex (DJ / bar back) is yelling "what the hells going on back there! I was laughing so hard I almost forgot why I was there. My friend settled down and showed me why I was there.
All in all a good time, with a happy ending.
LT.
Hit these two clubs over the weekend. My first time at Red Room since they reopened. They did a decent job with the remodel as the place is no longer a dump. There were a few good looking girls there, but unfortunately I did not get any dances. Most were busy with others and the one that did offer me me company made it clear that no extras were available.
Did a little better at Brass. Not many guys there, so that was to my advantage. Skinny blonde, fun in the back.
Hit up the Room this past Monday at 6 and stayed through the shift change. As it has been of late, it was packed, with 6 or so girls working. It amazes me that the bartenders are generally the cutest ones, Melissa (day) and Jasmine (night) are just dolls and fun to talk with. A decent sized group of guys formed in the center of the dance area and had several of the girls occupied, so I didn't get to chat much. There were several very attractive dancers that caught my eye; one of which, a slim black girl (Nina?) had an ankle bracelet. Couldn't decide if that was a negative or positive, as she may be into different kinds of fun. She was kept busy with other clients, so I may never know.
A heavily tattooed, slim white girl named Sosa hit the stage and immediately caught my attention. I went stage side to watch her performance. She was very good, but what really was different was that she had a color changing butt plug in the whole time! Once she got over to me, I discovered that it vibrated as well. Total freak and I was totally hooked. Unfortunately, once off stage she joined the aforementioned group and I didn't get a shot at a private dance; but she's 100% on my list to return and find out.
The atmosphere is good, but because there are so many clients it getting one on one with a specific lady is difficult. Can't wait to go back.
I went on Friday night around 10. First time going have to say it's nice inside. There were more than 20 ladies working. Some total smoke show types. I was impressed. Got 2 private dances, worth the money. I will be back.
From their FB page--more clubs should do this. Its great advertising.
Ugh, I need to upload the pics properly.
[QUOTE=AlbinoLord;5961787]From their FB page--more clubs should do this. Its great advertising.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much a Saturday tradition for me anymore. Haven't reported in a couple weeks but I've been out there. This is a couple weeks combined.
Brass: was shocked to find more dancers than dudes. Spent some time with a thin young blond, talked me into going private. Offered FS for $$. So she figured she's worth $$. 75 for 15 minutes. I don't think so. After the dance (no FS) I went back to the bar just in time for Strip Club Wife to come in and start giving me shit for not returning her texts. Time to go! Went back the following week, 2 girls, one eating wings and one sleeping at a table. Had a beer and watched Wing Eater get sauce all over her boobs. Hot. I left.
Vue: Holly (former barmaid at Pops) texted me and said it was Ellie Mae's last day bartending and I should meet her there so I did. Place was packed with dudes because of Holly, only dancer there was Alice who was training to replace Ellie. Spent some time with Holly and Ellie, then Alice suggested I go in back with her. I did. I was pleased. Stopped in the following week, around 6 guys and Alice. She was hammered, they were hammered, all loud. Felt like I crashed a party I wasn't invited to. Didn't even finish my beer.
Pops. Stopped in last week, was immediately greeted by my Psyche Patient. Decided since I have to listen to her problems I might as well have her take care of one of mine. But then she noticed one of her other regulars come in and asked if I'd mind if she took care of him first. Huh? Sure. While she was working on him the Katie Perry / Betty Page wannabe noticed the huge bulge in my. Wallet. She can over and offered her charms. In talking to her I discovered she is actually intelligent and has a great sense of humor. She does not drink. This was the first time at a strip club that I spoke to someone more sober than me. She suggested I invest in some of her time.
It was a good time. Her boobs are enormous and she was quite energetic. The only real issue I had is she was wearing some type of corset that is apparently made of either Kevlar or armor plating. She provided access to pertinent parts but it was awkward and kinda off putting. I'm pretty sure it's purpose is to contain a large amount of older baby damage and some late night visits to the buffet. Invested $. 25, not sure I'll put her on the starting rotation.
I'll probably be out an about tomorrow, if you see me say hi.
LT.
Hit the red room Friday about 3 pm. Very crowded, parking lot was full and had to park on the grassy area. Bar was full of course and was surprised to see Vixen, the redheaded smokeshow from Pops bartending there. Didn't get a chance to talk to her to see if she was also dancing. At least 10 girls there but all were busy with their regulars. Found the last table available but no one spoke to me so had a beer and left. Will return to at least see Vixen again.
Stopped by Brass last night for the first time in a while. Seems that they've changed their 15 minute dance prices. Instead o being $75 for the 15 and you negotiate a tip with the girl, it's now a flat $30 to the house and $100 to the girl.
[QUOTE=Amuzeme;5978264]Stopped by Brass last night for the first time in a while. Seems that they've changed their 15 minute dance prices. Instead o being $75 for the 15 and you negotiate a tip with the girl, it's now a flat $30 to the house and $100 to the girl.[/QUOTE]Not exactly. Its 30 to the club to go into the 15 min room, then whatever you negotiate with the girl. Just checked with a friend in management. Wanted to make sure you didn't get took.
[QUOTE=DatGuy58;5974729]Hit the red room Friday about 3 pm. Very crowded, parking lot was full and had to park on the grassy area. Bar was full of course and was surprised to see Vixen, the redheaded smokeshow from Pops bartending there. Didn't get a chance to talk to her to see if she was also dancing. At least 10 girls there but all were busy with their regulars. Found the last table available but no one spoke to me so had a beer and left. Will return to at least see Vixen again.[/QUOTE]Smokeshow? Drama Queen from hell? Keep your distance before you need to call the cops for her assaulting you or better yet, her trying to charge you with sexual assault.
[QUOTE=BigKarl;5980403]Smokeshow? Drama Queen from hell? Keep your distance before you need to call the cops for her assaulting you or better yet, her trying to charge you with sexual assault.[/QUOTE]Never even remotely saw or heard anything from her like any of that. But as we know YMMV.
Stopped by the Red Room last night about 1030 pm. Hung out with Siren for a while but since I know her personally I didn't try to get a dance or anything.
Then this girl named Dixie walked by and OMG she is beautiful (in my opinion). I stopped thinking and pulled out my wallet. With no intel on what to expect we headed inthe back for a 15 minute dance. The dance was great and there was slight rubbing ourside the clothes. That made me think there may be more avaiable. So, as any horny monger would do I pulled out my wallet and paid for another 15 minute room and also tipped Dixie. Well, same thing, slight rubbing outside the clothes. At the end she asked for my number so I gave it in hopes there may be an OTC in my near future.
Was I disappointed, no. I knew going in that this may not produce anything and she was my type from top to bottom (really nice ass) so I got to spend some private time with a hot chick.
The Red Room seems to be Brass 2. 0. They are advertising as a higher end club with more attractive dancers but from what I can tell it is a lot of the girls from Brass. It seems the Cuban women stayed at Brass and the others left. This opinion was given to me by one of the girls at Red Room.
Stopped in today. They just made the rooms $30 for 15 min. House gets it all. Then the girls negotiate the rest. Not sure all the girls like, or even understand, how this new pricing affects them. But I was able to take advantage and had a great time.
Was in Spring Hill for work today, so decided to make the 19 corridor run after a failed attempt with Princess Jaye from EB. First up, Lollipops, 2 girls, both a mess. Off to Vue. Again 2 girls not worth looking at, bartender was cute though. Next, Brass Flamingo, place was packed, only one or two cute girls. I got nearly molested by a Stagg named Persia, till I ran her off. A cute girl named Lyric sat down, started talking about her last failed relationship, but how she's now found the man of her dreams, yep, my guess, no extras. Headed to Red Door. Again, packed house, only one smoking hot girl that I saw, I think her name was Harper, brunette, nice bolt-ons, super hot bod, anyway, she was way to busy to get close to. Tipped a girl on stage named Harley, cute, young girl. But she was too concerned about hanging out with the DJ and VIP door guy. Didn't have the common courtesy to say thanks, even though I was the only one who tipped her.
Back to Tampa I go, or Pinellas. Way better options, IMHO.
1. A bar or lounge featuring females who take off their clothes for money.
There now. Now that we got that straight lets cut right to it. If you advertise as a "strip club" that opens at noon, how about having some STRIPPERS! Because if you don't have any an hour and half after opening, you are NOT a strip club, you're just another sleazy bar blasting crappy music. Right BRASS FLAMINGO?
At the Vue, there was 3 girls plus Ellie. Noticed Ashley, former barmaid at Pops was there dancing. Apparently Pops has decided they don't want barmaids with personality or looks. Spent some time with Ashley, enjoyed it.
Went to Pops to let Michelle know she screwed up again, she was already in full ***** mode so I let it slide. Was going to leave after one beer when "Betty Page" beckoned me. Had a little fun with her, left feeling happy that overall my wallet didn't suffer too bad.
Funny, I was in Ft Myers a couple weeks ago and actually had more "fun" in a club there than I have here in a long time.
LT.
Generally filled with hot girls. I just tipped at the stage but am curious if anyone has Intel on the private dances there and which of these hot (and expensive) ladies are worth it. There was a gorgeous young Puerto Rican girl who went by Maria that was very sexy. A Cuban girl named Cynthia that was flirtatious. Any others honestly. Feel free to PM Intel if that's better.
Back in Pasco. Hit up up Brass Flamingo first. Pretty slow, actually. Only a couple of cute girls, but they were stuck in their phones. The Filipina waitress cam over and we chatted for a bit. She let me know she is available for private encounters. I ended up leaving to go to second spot.
Hit up Red Door. Place was packed with guys and few dancers. I quickly say a really hot cuban spinner sitting at the bar with some guy. She was eating a burger from some guy that was grilling outside the club. I went over, intentionally next to her ate the bar, to get a drink. I let her know in Spanish that the burger looked delicious. But only half as delicious as her. Then I went back to one of the seats. Well it didn't take much for her to leave the burger and her conversation with that guy, but she sure did, in quick fashion. Yeah, I got a look from him but, oh well, I came to play. This girl is exactly what I like, young, around 22, latina, spinner with a great little bubble butt. She looked like she just came down from the top of the pyramid at cheer camp. You know the cheerleader type. She was extremely high energy and charismatic. Great personality. Only negative, no books, still looked nice for little A cups. Like I said, high school cheerleader look, the latina version. If you go in, I think she said her name is Victoria, wore glasses that day.
Anyway Paid the 85 plus a bill to her for the 15, and it was no holds barred. Anything and everything, except we did not go to Greece. GFE, yes, date, yes, cfs, yes, BBBJCIM, yes and swallowed every bit with pride. It was a great dream, one I'd like to have again, soon. She would not give me her digits, says she's in a complicated relationship.
Ashley. The Vue. Days only. You are welcome.
LT.
[QUOTE=LtAtlas;6055895]Ashley. The Vue. Days only. You are welcome.
LT.[/QUOTE]Went to The Vue yesterday. No Ashley as far as I could tell. But great conversation with Mary. Girl is sexy and has her stuff together.
Then went to Red Door. Fire was on 🔥. You are welcome.
[QUOTE=Bkbh1;6059317]Went to The Vue yesterday. No Ashley as far as I could tell. But great conversation with Mary. Girl is sexy and has her stuff together.
Then went to Red Door. Fire was on 🔥. You are welcome.[/QUOTE]I had a brief chat with Mary in the past and she seemed cool. I did not partake in any dances as I was short on time. Has anyone had any experiences with Mary? Extras? Worth returning to see again?
Was in the area for work for almost 2 weeks, so this is a combination of 3 visits.
The first night I got in town was a Saturday so I got to the club around 11 pm I tried brass flamingo first but there was nothing going on. So I got to Bare assets sat at the bar to get a drink, within 10 minutes of sitting down a Cuban girl approached me, tall spinner, told me we could have fun in lap dance area, I asked what kind and she licked her lips so I said let's go. We went to the normal dance cubical as soon as I sat down she grabbed jr and said 150 I agreed she put on the cover and gave a great BJ and I left happy shortly after.
The following Saturday I went again and saw the girl from before on stage, another Cuban came up to me she had big man mades basically the same pitch and again in normal dance cubical she started BJ but seemed worried about being seen so she sat on jr reverse cowgirl until I fished in bag.
Third and final trip while I was in town was day shift, I got there about 3 pm there was only a couple girls working and a hot spinner with big man mades got on stage so I tipped her after she sat by me we talked and decided on dances I wasn't sure if I was going to be as lucky with this one but she was hot. Got back to same dance rooms and again she offered BJ for 150 with a lot less people around she wasn't worried and gave a great performance, 3 visits and 3 great outcomes. Next time I'm on the west coast I'll definitely go back.
Anyone know the whereabouts of this dancer? Messed up grill but a hot body with man mades. Saw her at Red Room, I think 3 name changes ago. If you can share her number, I had it but phone crashed and burned, please message me. Thanks.
Dipped in on Saturday. What I liked was that there was a 31 flavors to choose from: white, black, Hispanic, slim, fit, large, even goth. Pick your pleasure. One again, the rule came true--bartenders are the hottest girls in the club. Jasmine was behind the bar and there was nothing more I wanted than for her to take a shot on stage. One day, a man can hope. There was also a blonde bartender, who also was as top shelf as her store bought breasts, but I didn't get the name.
Not every one took a turn on the main stage, but of the girls that did, a slim, athletic wonder named Harley is amazing to watch. She did a few sets, one of which was with a black girl--and it was hot to watch. Swing by and wait for Harley to hit the stage, it's worth it.
The lady that caught my eye, a Hispanic woman with black hair and massive tits, was locked down by this one guy for the whole time. She sat at the bar, with him standing leaning over her for at least an hour. Not buying drinks, or dances, just chatting like he's trying to pick up a new girlfriend. Gents! The ladies are there to make money, we are there to have a great time. If you aren't going to take her to the back--move on and let someone else have a crack. My little head was set on seeing her, and I passed on others that offered to go back, but since my main choice was never left alone I left. Going to head back, hope she's there and give a report on her.
[QUOTE=AlbinoLord;6083758]... Gents! The ladies are there to make money, we are there to have a great time. If you aren't going to take her to the back--move on and let someone else have a crack ....[/QUOTE]I've been in on both sides of that situation before. There have been plenty of times where I've been where you were (flush with cash to spend while the object of my desire ignored me in favor of guy who's spending nothing), but I never blamed that on the other guy. And there have also been times when I've just been hanging out with a dancer (typically with someone I'm already seeing regularly outside the club). In those cases, where I've noticed a potential customer, I've done just as you've suggested. Said "Listen honey, I love talking to you but I realize you're here to make money, so if you need to circulate I'll understand. " But that's me being me and a reflection of my consideration for the financial well being of the girl rather than fairness for the other guy.
But I completely disagree with you that turning the girl away is the responsibility of the guy she chooses to sit with. First of all, there are also PLENTY of times where these same girls ignore their potential customers in favor of their smartphones or their fellow dancer friends, so to say this is somehow about the other guy, completely misses the point.
But, even putting that rather obvious point aside, if a pretty girl chooses to spend time with a guy for free, isn't that something most guys would actually aspire for rather than turn away. Besides, it's not like they're chaining the girl to their tables. It's really that girl's choice not something the guy is forcing on them.
Of course, if I see another guy looking my dancer's way, I'll let the her know that I'm not going to be spending money on her right then and there (assuming after all that time she's too stupid to have figured that out for herself already) and also let her know she's got another potential customer and under no obligation to stay with me, But it's really not my job to be on the lookout for those situations, it's hers. And there have been times, even after pointing out potential paying customers, that the girl has blown them off, for whatever reason, and continued to hang out with me. So go figure
[QUOTE=ChaseStar;6085284]But I completely disagree with you that turning the girl away is the responsibility of the guy she chooses to sit with. First of all, there are also PLENTY of times where these same girls ignore their potential customers in favor of their smartphones or their fellow dancer friends, so to say this is somehow about the other guy, completely misses the point. [/QUOTE]Chase Star is on point.
Unless you've been a stripper, or spent enough time with one to get the truth rather than stripper rap, you have no idea what her motivation is.
She may know the guy will slip her a couple of Ben's when he's ready to leave just for hanging with him. Or he's a regular who will blow a grand every other time he comes in, and she wants to make sure she is who he comes to see when it's game time. Not every guy is looking to just get a quickie.
Maybe the guy is a BF or SD. I've dated several strippers who would stay with me in the club as long as I wanted because they wanted me waiting on them when the day was done.
Sometimes she'll hang with a regular as a way to avoid someone she doesn't want pestering her. Sometimes she has already made a bundle off the guy and is hanging with him because it's what he wants and she knows he'll be back.
Sometimes they are just having a bad day and a known friendly face, or a cell phone is a better option than having to go through the grind of dealing with a newbie. No, they don't really think you're soooo handsome and soooo interesting.
A fair number of strippers actually like the social aspects of working in a club. They can drink, dance, flirt and feel pretty before they have to go home to a DB BF, screaming kids and laundry, so the next quick buck is not the only reason they are there.
Dancers are humans and women at that, so assuming their sole motivation is to make money is overly simplistic, but every one is perfectly able to make an excuse to get back on the floor if that's what she wants. YMMV is never more true than in a strip club.
[QUOTE=JayTwogo;6085464]Chase Star is on point.
Unless you've been a stripper, or spent enough time with one to get the truth rather than stripper rap, you have no idea what her motivation is.
She may know the guy will slip her a couple of Ben's when he's ready to leave just for hanging with him. Or he's a regular who will blow a grand every other time he comes in, and she wants to make sure she is who he comes to see when it's game time. Not every guy is looking to just get a quickie.
Maybe the guy is a BF or SD. I've dated several strippers who would stay with me in the club as long as I wanted because they wanted me waiting on them when the day was done.
Sometimes she'll hang with a regular as a way to avoid someone she doesn't want pestering her. Sometimes she has already made a bundle off the guy and is hanging with him because it's what he wants and she knows he'll be back.
Sometimes they are just having a bad day and a known friendly face, or a cell phone is a better option than having to go through the grind of dealing with a newbie. No, they don't really think you're soooo handsome and soooo interesting.
A fair number of strippers actually like the social aspects of working in a club. They can drink, dance, flirt and feel pretty before they have to go home to a DB BF, screaming kids and laundry, so the next quick buck is not the only reason they are there.
Dancers are humans and women at that, so assuming their sole motivation is to make money is overly simplistic, but every one is perfectly able to make an excuse to get back on the floor if that's what she wants. YMMV is never more true than in a strip club.[/QUOTE]It IS about the other guy when he is lording over her like with his arm around her DELIBERATELY hogging her time. But it is also just a shit excuse for the girl. Stop with the "they're human" BS like the rest of us don't know that. Yep. And the "human" IS the product in this service industry scenario too. SERVICE. As in paying customers come to get service and she is paid to deliver it. What fucking server would get away with "well she just didn't feel like taking tables so she buried her nose in her phone or got into a long conversation with a regular customer who comes in. I mean she IS human after all"? SMH Yeah and the guy waiting for service is human too AND most importantly the one paying her.
I like talking to the girls too if they sit down next to me. But in no way would it be appropriate for me to walk up to her, stand right behind her with my arm around her leaning over her shoulder like I am her bf or trying to pick her up but not paying for the experience. I would say "hey I'll keep tipping you if we can talk here for a bit before we go back. OR even better, I would say "can we find a small table just for us to go talk?
It is NOT in any way overly simplistic to suggest the point of being a stripper is to make money. It doesn't have to be her "sole motivation" for him to be right. It actually is her sole purpose and the sole purpose of the guys coming in.
I see guys making these kinds of points about strip clubs on here all the time. It is not a pick up bar. You are not there to "demonstrate your pick up artist game". The whole fucking point IS pay for play and I prefer it that way. The pay IS LITERALLY there to avoid this competing like it is a regular bar and a regular trying to pick up a girl scenario. Pay for play IS simple. That's why we like it! Why deal with this kind of bs from someone you are paying when you could just get that for free at home or trying to pick up girls at a bar? Guys get fucking egos in this scenario like they do in every other. Always have to prove something or show they are the top "alpha dog". This scenario is NOT that scenario. This is not law of the the jungle or laws of nature. These pay for play scenarios were created as the antidote to those scenarios. It is a deliberate alternative to it.
In case you still are confused:
Monger: Hi, I would like (enter desired service here).
Sex worker: That will cost you (enter desired amount here) Are you willing to pay it?
Monger: Sure let's go!
OR.
Monger: That's too rich for my blood. Thanks any way. Have a nice day!
THAT is what we are here for. Not this BS "well if you were more alpha you wouldn't have to pay" or "If you were more alpha and had game you would pay less or get BBBJ" when others get only CBJ nonsense. That has or should NOT have a fucking thing to do with it when the girl is being compensated. You become a sex worker, you know the deal going in. These girls aren't being trafficked. They walked into a strip club by choice and said "I saw on the sign you are hiring dancers". No need to complicate this.
First of all, I have no idea what the motivation of the girl is for hanging out with a non-paying customer. Having known many of them on a personal level, I could speculate. I do know that for some there certainly is a social aspect to working in the club. But that doesn't explain the ones who sit alone fiddling on their phones (which they could just as well do at home or anywhere else) while ignoring potential cash-paying customers.
Frankly, if I were them and had to be stuck working in a club, my focus would be on making bank then getting the help out of there But that is me and apparently many of these girls don't have my business focus. I suppose some of the other scenarios Jay mentioned could also be at work thus explaining it, but WHATEVER it is is completely beside the point.
[B]The point is that it's the DANCER who has complete control over whether the conversation continues, REGARDLESS of whatever her reason is for doing so or not, NOT the guy. AND it is the DANCER who should have the motivation to go where the money is, AGAIN NOT the guy whose motivation to continue to hang out with the dancer, PARTICULARLY if it's not costing him anything is completely understandable.[/B]
But Booty is also making a lot of unreasonable assumptions. Nowhere did the OP say anything about the other guy "lording over" the girl or "drapping his arm around her" in a way that would prevent her from simply standing up and walking away or deluding himself into thinking that the girl is anything other than what she is - a girl who has drinks and sometimes does other things with guys for money. But EVEN if he was, that still wouldn't really prevent the girl from making her excuses and leaving him for a potentially more lucrative prospect if she chose to do so.
Are there some guys who think they can pick up these girls with just their charm and without spending any money? Sure. Are there also some who press themselves too much on the girls? Sure as well. But do you really think these girls don't know how to blow off such guys if they really wanted to? What about guys who lead the girls on to falsely believe that there will be some money forthcoming at the end? Again, sure it happens but most of these girls aren't shy about pressing the guy to spend, if that's what they really want OR to fairly quickly figure out if he's just talk. AND if he's a regular customer and regularly just bullshits rather than spends, they know that too and whether it's worth it for them to spend their time with them or not (regulars who never spend quickly make a name for themselves).
More often than not the "non-spending" situation involves a regular who hangs out at the bar all the time (ie a guy she already knows) and they're hanging out together more out of boredom than anything else AND because it's easier for her to sit and talk with a guy she knows and feels comfortable with than to walk up to a complete stranger and proposition him.
But if you think that's easy (and you think the guy has just been wasting her time), instead of stewing in jealousy or resentment, why don't you just go up to her and say something like "Excuse me but when you and this gentleman are done with whatever it is you're doing, would you come join me at my table or better yet for VIP". Believe me, if she's at all interested she'll press him to either shit or get off the pot or, if they were just hanging will pardon herself to go with you for a bit and return to him later. Or, if you're hesitant to interrupt their conversation, you can catch her and make your pitch when she steps away to go the restroom or goes on stage. Or, if even that scares you too much, you can ask a waitress or other dancer to go let her know you're interested.
[B]So basically I'm saying it's ridiculous to put this on a guy for not turning away a dancer who is willing to spend time with him without his having to lay out any cash (a position that most of us would be happy to be in if we could) while not recognizing it really falls much more on the dancer for how she chooses to govern herself at work. OR even upon yourself for just sitting by yourself stewing but not doing anything about it if you're that interested in her.[/B]
[QUOTE=ChaseStar;6088120]First of all, I have no idea what the motivation of the girl is for hanging out with a non-paying customer. Having known many of them on a personal level, I could speculate. I do know that for some there certainly is a social aspect to working in the club. But that doesn't explain the ones who sit alone fiddling on their phones (which they could just as well do at home or anywhere else) while ignoring potential cash-paying customers.[/QUOTE]Often the ones playing on the phones are busy texting regulars to come in, or waiting for one to arrive. I know a couple of girls who basically set up their whole day that way and only pick up a stray if they hit a dead spot.
[QUOTE][B]So basically I'm saying it's ridiculous to put this on a guy for not turning away a dancer who is willing to spend time with him without his having to lay out any cash (a position that most of us would be happy to be in if we could) while not recognizing it really falls much more on the dancer for how she chooses to govern herself at work. OR even upon yourself for just sitting by yourself stewing but not doing anything about it if you're that interested in her.[/B][/QUOTE]I totally agree. Never on a guy to try and motivate a girl to go hang with someone else, that's the girls decision.
I was just offering reasons dancers may choose to stay with a non-paying customer, and those were all told to me by dancers I've had close relationships over the years.
That's it, 'nuf said, moving on.
[QUOTE=ChaseStar;6088120]First of all, I have no idea what the motivation of the girl is for hanging out with a non-paying customer. Having known many of them on a personal level, I could speculate. I do know that for some there certainly is a social aspect to working in the club. But that doesn't explain the ones who sit alone fiddling on their phones (which they could just as well do at home or anywhere else) while ignoring potential cash-paying customers.
Frankly, if I were them and had to be stuck working in a club, my focus would be on making bank then getting the help out of there But that is me and apparently many of these girls don't have my business focus. I suppose some of the other scenarios Jay mentioned could also be at work thus explaining it, but WHATEVER it is is completely beside the point.
[B]The point is that it's the DANCER who has complete control over whether the conversation continues, REGARDLESS of whatever her reason is for doing so or not, NOT the guy. AND it is the DANCER who should have the motivation to go where the money is, AGAIN NOT the guy whose motivation to continue to hang out with the dancer, PARTICULARLY if it's not costing him anything is completely understandable.[/B]
But Booty is also making a lot of unreasonable assumptions. Nowhere did the OP say anything about the other guy "lording over" the girl or "drapping his arm around her" in a way that would prevent her from simply standing up and walking away or deluding himself into thinking that the girl is anything other than what she is - a girl who has drinks and sometimes does other things with guys for money. But EVEN if he was, that still wouldn't really prevent the girl from making her excuses and leaving him for a potentially more lucrative prospect if she chose to do so.
Are there some guys who think they can pick up these girls with just their charm and without spending any money? Sure. Are there also some who press themselves too much on the girls? Sure as well. But do you really think these girls don't know how to blow off such guys if they really wanted to? What about guys who lead the girls on to falsely believe that there will be some money forthcoming at the end? Again, sure it happens but most of these girls aren't shy about pressing the guy to spend, if that's what they really want OR to fairly quickly figure out if he's just talk. AND if he's a regular customer and regularly just bullshits rather than spends, they know that too and whether it's worth it for them to spend their time with them or not (regulars who never spend quickly make a name for themselves).
More often than not the "non-spending" situation involves a regular who hangs out at the bar all the time (ie a guy she already knows) and they're hanging out together more out of boredom than anything else AND because it's easier for her to sit and talk with a guy she knows and feels comfortable with than to walk up to a complete stranger and proposition him.
But if you think that's easy (and you think the guy has just been wasting her time), instead of stewing in jealousy or resentment, why don't you just go up to her and say something like "Excuse me but when you and this gentleman are done with whatever it is you're doing, would you come join me at my table or better yet for VIP". Believe me, if she's at all interested she'll press him to either shit or get off the pot or, if they were just hanging will pardon herself to go with you for a bit and return to him later. Or, if you're hesitant to interrupt their conversation, you can catch her and make your pitch when she steps away to go the restroom or goes on stage. Or, if even that scares you too much, you can ask a waitress or other dancer to go let her know you're interested.
[B]So basically I'm saying it's ridiculous to put this on a guy for not turning away a dancer who is willing to spend time with him without his having to lay out any cash (a position that most of us would be happy to be in if we could) while not recognizing it really falls much more on the dancer for how she chooses to govern herself at work. OR even upon yourself for just sitting by yourself stewing but not doing anything about it if you're that interested in her.[/B][/QUOTE]A.) He DID actually indicate that. Here: "The lady that caught my eye, a Hispanic woman with black hair and massive tits, was locked down by this one guy for the whole time. She sat at the bar, with him standing leaning over her for at least an hour. Not buying drinks, or dances, just chatting like he's trying to pick up a new girlfriend. " 100% inappropriate. That part of it IS on him.
B.) I also then went on to say that it was a shit excuse for the girl too and condemned her behavior.
Point being, I am putting it on BOTH. And while doing so clarifying as a PSA that this is pay for play not see if you still got it and can charm the girls into dating or even just doing it for free. Honestly, I agree with most of what you said about it, it's just NOT EVER the other guy waiting's responsibility to do what you are saying. EVER. He is paying. The other guy isn't and yes, I agree, she is avoiding the sole purpose of her being there.
That's why I think the sitting at the bar with a guy is problematic. The bar is for paying customers. NOT dancers bs-ing and deliberately avoiding customers whether on the phone or with a non-paying regular just killing time. Technically the girls should be APPROACHING the guys who are seated at the bar or at a small table by themselves or even at the stage. (although that technically should be the time for the dancer on stage who also needs to earn money.
If they were at a private table together just the two of them? The waiting guy can kick rocks. If that is me with her? I am for SURE tipping every so often to compensate for her time as it is pay for play. And that is the whole point of being there. I get the chilling with a regular out of boredom thing, as long as it comes with an awareness of what she is ACTUALLY THERE FOR and being mindful of the room. That part is on her. But again, you are acting as if they were just sitting next to each other talking vs what I copy and pasted which is completely different and inappropriate for this pay for play environment. And another thing I will cop to is this, the whole thing gets muddied because of the law. The whole "it's for my time and what happens between two adults" blah blah blah is CYA for legality sake. So therefor the true pay for play vibe doesn't get to happen openly and honestly, so you get this BS.
In conclusion, no he was NOT just a regular she was sitting next to BS-ing to kill time. The quote from the OP proves it. No I am NOT saying it is all on the guy. Only when like with this dummy, the guy is trying to pick her up for free like a regular bar situation vs the obvious pay to play environment they were actually in. Given that this is pay for play and a commercial establishment, if a server, for instance, was blowing off taking tables, it would not be on that guy to go to her as her being available is the implied AND EXPECTED norm. He should've gone to the manager like you would any other service industry situation. Again, your "don't stew in jealousy and resentment, just go make a move or tap her on the shoulder" comment proves my point. There is nothing to be jealous or resentful about about as she is not your girlfriend or a potential one (in the non-commercial / non-transactional sense). He shouldn't have to do anything like that. And I don't care what her motivation is. She's there for a specific purpose. They both were out of line and ruining and otherwise simple and wonderful thing.
My commentary isn't about you personally either or the other guy who responded. It is about the blurred lines this PUA crap coming into the mix like it is a regular situation vs pay to play is what I am frustrated with. No need to complicate it. We all know why we are there.
Read all the previous posts with great interest and a sense of humor. Looking for any kind of logic in a strip club is a little baffling, but hey, to each his (or her) own.
ANYHOW. As usual I was out and about recently. I live about an hour north of Pops, so going to any clubs requires at least a two-hour investment. My past journeys to Allure and the Brass proved too often to be a waste of time as there were no dancers at either. In an effort to conserve fuel I decided to concentrate on Pops and Vue. Pops has been hit or miss with the talent and I find the new Saturday DJ annoying as hell. Plus you never know when the Beast is going to start her shit, so I've just been hitting the Vue. Even if theyre slow Ellie is there every Saturday and I enjoy her. Usually however, there is a nice mix of girls there by 1 PM. I have some stories to share, I'm leaving out some names. Seniors can PM if they like.
Couple weeks ago I was drinking a beer with Ellie when a dancer who used to be at the Brass appeared. She is fit as hell and probably the best pole dancer in there however she is a "butterface". She also had twins about a year ago even though her belly doesn't show it. Anyhow she recognized me and came running over and gave me a VERY nice hug. Then she almost fell. I grabbed her and realized she was completely F'd up. She's a pothead, and she'd obviously outdid herself. She mumbled something about how we needed to private then she almost fell again. I thought, why not so off we went. Paid the DJ, went into the back. Lets just say I had a good time and towards the end I gifted her face a little souvenir. She mumbled something about not having any wipes and then walked out, naked, with the "souvenir" dripping off her face. She never even asked for her tip. I had to chase after her to give it to her. She went into the ladies room, a guy sitting at a table was staring at her. He asked me: "is that what I think it is?" Yes. Yes it is. Went and had another beer, she never came out that I saw.
Went back to the Vue yesterday around 1. 7 girls plus Ellie, 3 customers. Sat down for my beer with Ellie, noticed that Cake (formerly of Icon, Brass, probably everywhere) was next to me. She's pretty witty and very gabby, so bought her a drink. Looking around I noticed that I knew pretty much every girl there and have had some fun with most of them. Which is good. Anyhow, as more guys came in they were saying hi to her. In reference to the previous posts, I'm sure some of the guys though I was tying up Cake. I never do that, I told her flat out if she needs to go see a regular go ahead. She told me she'd rather hang out with me. But then again, she knows I'll drop some coin. As the girls started going up on stage I tipped each one of them.
Cake suggested we go in back for a bit, I agreed. Had me some Cake. When the time was up we went back to the bar and were talking when she said "what's that ***** doing here?" I turned and saw "butterface" walking (more like staggering) in. Then I remembered a time at the Brass a couple years ago when Cake was on stage and butterface came up and pulled her off and the two started beating the hell out of each other. They seriously hate each other. Then I had another thought. Butterface seems to have a thing for me. More likely my wallet. And if she sees me and Cake all buddied up.
Seemed like a good time to leave. Can't wait to find out what happened. Never a dull moment.
LT.
From doing research on this board it seems like although Tampa has a ton of strip clubs, for extras with any white dancers it seems to usually go north of 300+? And not interested in otc where it will push way beyond that obviously. I just got done with a Miami / pompano beach strip club tour and it's almost all Cubans and south American girls as well as black, and you can get BJ with a condom and sex in the private rooms for 200-300 for most of them which is a good deal in the USA. Any other part of Florida for white dancers that do extras? Any tips or intell would be appreciated as I'm new to the state, thanks!