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[QUOTE=JimRob;5328612]"About Me.
**Please only message me if you are able to buy me my 21 or 22 Benz G Wagon *AMG 63 model only (all blacked out) :))! ".
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/3d3ef1c7-21fb-43bc-b6e8-9489528d5855[/URL][/QUOTE]She looks like she's in her 40's.
[QUOTE=JimRob;5328612]"About Me.
**Please only message me if you are able to buy me my 21 or 22 Benz G Wagon *AMG 63 model only (all blacked out) :))! ".
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/3d3ef1c7-21fb-43bc-b6e8-9489528d5855[/URL][/QUOTE]I'd message her. I mean, you are [I]ABLE [/I]to do it, right? Doesn't mean you [B]will[/B].
[QUOTE=Virgil1974;5328657]She looks like she's in her 40's.[/QUOTE]It costs less for a girl to post a profile on SA than buying a lottery ticket. So why not?
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;5330196]It costs less for a girl to post a profile on SA than buying a lottery ticket. So why not?[/QUOTE]Sales 101: "The answer to any question never asked is always NO" I don't blame any girl for being ambitious!
[QUOTE=JustMeForU;5331357]Sales 101: "The answer to any question never asked is always NO" I don't blame any girl for being ambitious![/QUOTE]Don't you really mean "delusional"?
[QUOTE=Vegasmatt;5332084]Don't you really mean "delusional"?[/QUOTE]LOL that's more the case. However "Delusional" and "Ambitious" can go hand in hand! LOL Sometimes it only takes one YES to turn delusion into ambition, and sadly enough there are guys out there that do say YES!
Been scoring on IG with models. Most have pages. I butter them up with petty cash than I score.
One recent win!
At serenasins97.
[QUOTE=JustMeForU;5333380]LOL that's more the case. However "Delusional" and "Ambitious" can go hand in hand! LOL Sometimes it only takes one YES to turn delusion into ambition, and sadly enough there are guys out there that do say YES![/QUOTE]Your statement is funny, sad and true. LOL.
[QUOTE=Murray1999;5333405]Been scoring on IG with models. Most have pages. I butter them up with petty cash than I score.
One recent win!
At serenasins97.[/QUOTE]Really stretching the definition of 'model' with that one. That's a pretty prominent jawline too. If you paid more than 300 you overpaid.
[QUOTE=Murray1999;5333405]Been scoring on IG with models. Most have pages. I butter them up with petty cash than I score.
One recent win!
At serenasins97.[/QUOTE]That's no win. I went down the rabbit hole of her IG, Twitter and OF. She is a $60 Orleans pick up at best.
It's out of control on SA anymore. Regularly getting replies that these girls want 700 or 900 or more. And they're not even 9's or 10's. Sad that this source has gone so far south and I don't see it's going to get better. Guess I have to start looking elsewhere, but it's been a good run.
[QUOTE=KSpacey;5334978]It's out of control on SA anymore. Regularly getting replies that these girls want 700 or 900 or more. And they're not even 9's or 10's. Sad that this source has gone so far south and I don't see it's going to get better. Guess I have to start looking elsewhere, but it's been a good run.[/QUOTE]Let us know if you find something better! I think it's the pandemic that's making things slower than usual.
[QUOTE=JustMeForU;5333380]LOL that's more the case. However "Delusional" and "Ambitious" can go hand in hand! LOL Sometimes it only takes one YES to turn delusion into ambition, and sadly enough there are guys out there that do say YES![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Vegasmatt;5333520]Your statement is funny, sad and true. LOL.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=KSpacey;5334978]It's out of control on SA anymore. Regularly getting replies that these girls want 700 or 900 or more. And they're not even 9's or 10's. Sad that this source has gone so far south and I don't see it's going to get better. Guess I have to start looking elsewhere, but it's been a good run.[/QUOTE]I don't know what's going on, but the entire hobby has gone crazy as far as the rates go. Even the SWs rates are getting out of hand with insane $$ car dates. I've seen it happening on multiple sites as well, and have also had to stop trying to see old regulars due to increases in donations. I've said it before, that I had thought the pandemic would've leaned rates / things to our favor, and it has been the opposite, at least it seems that way to me. These rates are insane!
[QUOTE=Jaberwabee;5333735]That's no win. I went down the rabbit hole of her IG, Twitter and OF. She is a $60 Orleans pick up at best.[/QUOTE]I Second That!
Another example of how SA has become mostly GPS and Scammers.
Quickly asked what I was looking for saying she does "adult content and ppm. " I told her ppm works for me and then get this, "Its 200 half down of 100 premium lifetime comes free (nude pics vids live cam private stories raffles and more) I have toys outfits I'm not shy all holes open if any of that's your thing fetish friendly theres no time limit I can come to you or you can come to me".
I laughed and told her $200 for what she described seemed TGTBT and ignored a few additional messages she sent trying to convince me she was real.
This morning her location has changed to Boston.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/497a702a-a225-4b5e-9182-5277ead750d4[/URL]
[QUOTE=Doof808;5335567]I don't know what's going on, but the entire hobby has gone crazy as far as the rates go. Even the SWs rates are getting out of hand with insane $$ car dates. I've seen it happening on multiple sites as well, and have also had to stop trying to see old regulars due to increases in donations. I've said it before, that I had thought the pandemic would've leaned rates / things to our favor, and it has been the opposite, at least it seems that way to me. These rates are insane![/QUOTE]There's a lot of free money out there from the government so some people have spent it and have been paying more. That's what I've heard from a few regulars I used to see who got unemployment guys willing to pay them more.
This one has the sexiest legs I have ever seen on the SA site.
Anybody have any experience with her. I just started a convo with her.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/31e7d9be-ffa7-4ae2-9867-1e0fffdc4fb7[/URL]
[QUOTE=Henry777;5375144]This one has the sexiest legs I have ever seen on the SA site.
Anybody have any experience with her. I just started a convo with her.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/31e7d9be-ffa7-4ae2-9867-1e0fffdc4fb7[/URL][/QUOTE]LOL, That's my favorite tea.
[QUOTE=FirstClass1;5335501]Let us know if you find something better! I think it's the pandemic that's making things slower than usual.[/QUOTE]I think this is the cause and not the 'free money' people are thinking. In normal times, an SA girl could likely count on 2-3 guys a week to meet her, at 200-300 a pop, that could be as much as 900 a week. Well, with the pandemic cutting in to the budgets of so many people, not as many guys are willing to do this regularly so if the girls are used to 600-900 a week coming in to cover their bills, they are going to try and get it from one guy instead of hoping the others come through. The other thing with Vegas is that so many of the SA / WYP girls counted on guys from out of town to help their income and for the last year, that wasn't happening.
Two girls I would say I am friendly with off the site have told me they have increased their 'asking price' because there were just not the visitors in town to count on a steady flow of cash. Both could easily get 500-600 an hour if they traveled but they both have kids so they live in Vegas. They used to only ask for 300 an hour because they knew they could fill their schedule and get to pick and choose the guys they wanted to see. One of them admitted she quit her regular job early in 2019 because she was making 1500 a day off regulars. Either Vegas locals or regular travelers. She told me she never had to see anyone new. Last time I talked to her was about 3 weeks ago and she was contemplating getting back on SA because a lot of her travelers aren't coming to Vegas until later in the year and all the locals are trying to low ball her with 100-150 an hour offers.
I am pretty sure this is a dude? Right?
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/cbcf5441-dd07-4a1a-949e-c8c4776aae6f[/URL]
[QUOTE=DenaliXXX;5375846]I am pretty sure this is a dude? Right?
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/cbcf5441-dd07-4a1a-949e-c8c4776aae6f[/URL][/QUOTE]But that's me.
[QUOTE=HolyStone1975;5375787]I think this is the cause and not the 'free money' people are thinking. In normal times, an SA girl could likely count on 2-3 guys a week to meet her, at 200-300 a pop, that could be as much as 900 a week. Well, with the pandemic cutting in to the budgets of so many people, not as many guys are willing to do this regularly so if the girls are used to 600-900 a week coming in to cover their bills, they are going to try and get it from one guy instead of hoping the others come through. The other thing with Vegas is that so many of the SA / WYP girls counted on guys from out of town to help their income and for the last year, that wasn't happening.
Two girls I would say I am friendly with off the site have told me they have increased their 'asking price' because there were just not the visitors in town to count on a steady flow of cash. Both could easily get 500-600 an hour if they traveled but they both have kids so they live in Vegas. They used to only ask for 300 an hour because they knew they could fill their schedule and get to pick and choose the guys they wanted to see. One of them admitted she quit her regular job early in 2019 because she was making 1500 a day off regulars. Either Vegas locals or regular travelers. She told me she never had to see anyone new. Last time I talked to her was about 3 weeks ago and she was contemplating getting back on SA because a lot of her travelers aren't coming to Vegas until later in the year and all the locals are trying to low ball her with 100-150 an hour offers.[/QUOTE]1500 a day? Man even at 300 an hour that's a lot of hoeing around!
[QUOTE=HolyStone1975;5375787]I think this is the cause and not the 'free money' people are thinking. In normal times, an SA girl could likely count on 2-3 guys a week to meet her, at 200-300 a pop, that could be as much as 900 a week. Well, with the pandemic cutting in to the budgets of so many people, not as many guys are willing to do this regularly so if the girls are used to 600-900 a week coming in to cover their bills, they are going to try and get it from one guy instead of hoping the others come through. The other thing with Vegas is that so many of the SA / WYP girls counted on guys from out of town to help their income and for the last year, that wasn't happening.
Two girls I would say I am friendly with off the site have told me they have increased their 'asking price' because there were just not the visitors in town to count on a steady flow of cash. Both could easily get 500-600 an hour if they traveled but they both have kids so they live in Vegas. They used to only ask for 300 an hour because they knew they could fill their schedule and get to pick and choose the guys they wanted to see. One of them admitted she quit her regular job early in 2019 because she was making 1500 a day off regulars. Either Vegas locals or regular travelers. She told me she never had to see anyone new. Last time I talked to her was about 3 weeks ago and she was contemplating getting back on SA because a lot of her travelers aren't coming to Vegas until later in the year and all the locals are trying to low ball her with 100-150 an hour offers.[/QUOTE]That's not how markets work. They're asking for more because they're finding guys that will pay more, for whatever reason. If there are fewer guys around with money, prices will go down. Why? Because that's how markets work. Find me one real-world example where the as the client-base shrinks the supplier can hike the price. It simply doesn't work like that.
Never take the word of a hoe at face value. They all live in a fantasy world of their own making.
[QUOTE=EvilTmp;5376607]That's not how markets work. They're asking for more because they're finding guys that will pay more, for whatever reason. If there are fewer guys around with money, prices will go down. Why? Because that's how markets work. Find me one real-world example where the as the client-base shrinks the supplier can hike the price. It simply doesn't work like that.
Never take the word of a hoe at face value. They all live in a fantasy world of their own making.[/QUOTE]Agreed. The only reason they are asking for more $$$ is because some suckers are paying it and skewing the market. Until these suckers either stop or run out of $$ prices are not going down. If you don't like the price, don't pay it.
[QUOTE=JimRob;5376675]Agreed. The only reason they are asking for more $$$ is because some suckers are paying it and skewing the market. Until these suckers either stop or run out of $$ prices are not going down. If you don't like the price, don't pay it.[/QUOTE]Yes, because hookers all well known for their logic and ability to judge the market accurately.
[QUOTE=HolyStone1975;5376790]Yes, because hookers all well known for their logic and ability to judge the market accurately.[/QUOTE]It's not up to them to judge the market, the market does not care what a group of hookers might think or desire, the market reacts to market forces. If the market doesn't react positively to higher prices (meaning some suckers are willing to pay the higher price) then the price increase falls flat and demand for services drops.
Simple economics dictated by the market itself.
[QUOTE=JimRob;5376886]It's not up to them to judge the market, the market does not care what a group of hookers might think or desire, the market reacts to market forces. If the market doesn't react positively to higher prices (meaning some suckers are willing to pay the higher price) then the price increase falls flat and demand for services drops.
Simple economics dictated by the market itself.[/QUOTE]If you like the 18 - 20 year old You can probably create your own market. Until they wise up.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;5377402]If you like the 18 - 20 year old You can probably create your own market. Until they wise up.[/QUOTE]That's where I tend to focus my efforts. But even for the ones in their 20's, I refuse to pay anything over $350, which quite frankly for me was a one time occasion for a real hottie. My general range is 150 up to 250 at the high end, with the occasional 100 price point. If everyone else refuses to pay the premium prices, the GPS will subside for most of them.
[QUOTE=EvilTmp;5376607]That's not how markets work. They're asking for more because they're finding guys that will pay more, for whatever reason. If there are fewer guys around with money, prices will go down. Why? Because that's how markets work. Find me one real-world example where the as the client-base shrinks the supplier can hike the price. It simply doesn't work like that.
Never take the word of a hoe at face value. They all live in a fantasy world of their own making.[/QUOTE]But that's not how sales works. I'm not going to bother breaking it all out for you guys since you seem to have it all figured out. Just saying your perceptions on how shit works seems a little myopic and centered on your perceptions on how it's all supposed to go. Which is sort of the definition of myopic.
[QUOTE=VivaMattyVegas;4625373][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/e0c97620-69e1-405d-85ce-91e83df74284[/URL]
I'm not having great luck with my 3rd stint as a paid member on SA.
I thought this one would be a gem. Very cute, little chubby but she loves rough sex and was fine taking it bare.
Set up a 5 hour date with her in a few days and I'm REALLY glad I texted her this morning because she admitted she isn't taking birth control. Happy she was honest with me, disappointed and somewhat surprised that she wants to take the risk of getting knocked up.
Not going to say to avoid this one because she's really cute (in my opinion) and I'm sure other BM's would have fun with her, but just be cautious when she says she's fine with taking it bare.[/QUOTE]Was she an emo girl?
Trying to set something up for next week with some of these ladies and wanted to see if anyone has had any luck? I can help wi the Phoenix Sugar Babies. PM me.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/a6b0d8e7-2b03-40b1-b21c-16bb20e70871[/URL]
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/1431bebc-f60b-44fc-8fef-f9aac844ae45[/URL]
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/9ef8b215-aff6-4136-b21f-014e05e159bd[/URL]
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/eab199d3-977b-4087-b170-6d1e83ec222c[/URL]
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/0e8ead4d-97a9-4c24-877e-b56502ad03c9[/URL]
Thanks guys!
[QUOTE=JimRob;5376886]It's not up to them to judge the market, the market does not care what a group of hookers might think or desire, the market reacts to market forces. If the market doesn't react positively to higher prices (meaning some suckers are willing to pay the higher price) then the price increase falls flat and demand for services drops.
Simple economics dictated by the market itself.[/QUOTE]It's pretty simply if you think about it.
If you sell something at 200 and get 15 sales, you won't make as much money as 10 sales at 400. Simple math. In general, the 'market' will price itself toward the optimum price to make the most money. The main thing is trying to find said price can be very difficult. I can very much see a less-educated person setting their own prices not thinking about the concept of lowering prices to try and draw them in but rather raising them to try and make up for it.
It might be working, it might not. Unless we know the actual numbers, none of us are in a position to say.
But there's also two more factors to consider. First off since these are individuals doing a job, there's always their personal biases and perceptions that can skew how they think of certain prices. Combine this with the fact that even if they end up with slightly less money, it might just be worth it for the less overall work they have to do. Wouldn't you rather spend 10 hours instead of 15 to make the same amount of money?
[QUOTE=SexThinker;5378201]It's pretty simply if you think about it.
If you sell something at 200 and get 15 sales, you won't make as much money as 10 sales at 400. Simple math. In general, the 'market' will price itself toward the optimum price to make the most money. The main thing is trying to find said price can be very difficult. I can very much see a less-educated person setting their own prices not thinking about the concept of lowering prices to try and draw them in but rather raising them to try and make up for it.
It might be working, it might not. Unless we know the actual numbers, none of us are in a position to say.
But there's also two more factors to consider. First off since these are individuals doing a job, there's always their personal biases and perceptions that can skew how they think of certain prices. Combine this with the fact that even if they end up with slightly less money, it might just be worth it for the less overall work they have to do. Wouldn't you rather spend 10 hours instead of 15 to make the same amount of money?[/QUOTE]The market does not price itself toward the optimum price to make the most money. The market prices itself to where a willing seller and a willing buyer are in agreement. In other words, a seller can set whatever price they want. Without a willing buyer, there will be no sales. On the flip side, a buyer can set whatever price they are willing to pay, but unless a seller is willing to sell for that price, no sale.
Your example of working 10 hours to make more money than working 15 hours is a place every seller wants to be. However, without a willing buyer, it doesn't put food on the table or more likely cover their bad habits.
Again, as long as some suckers are willing to pay the price, the "sellers" will keep their prices up.
[QUOTE=RogerOver;5377940]But that's not how sales works. I'm not going to bother breaking it all out for you guys since you seem to have it all figured out. Just saying your perceptions on how shit works seems a little myopic and centered on your perceptions on how it's all supposed to go. Which is sort of the definition of myopic.[/QUOTE]Like you I'm not going to expend much grey matter on this but some thoughts when reading all the "economic analysis" here.
While Supply and Demand is indeed a core principle of ECO101 reality often goes much deeper than that. ECO201,301, 401 combined with Mktg 101 to 401, Sales 101 to 401 and Socio Economic study reveals things ain't always as simple as they may seem to a wide eyed Freshman. Add to that unique and sometimes hidden market pressures and influences like Impulse and Thinking with Little Head and all bets are out the window.
[QUOTE=MNeiman;5378419]Like you I'm not going to expend much grey matter on this but some thoughts when reading all the "economic analysis" here.
While Supply and Demand is indeed a core principle of ECO101 reality often goes much deeper than that. ECO201,301, 401 combined with Mktg 101 to 401, Sales 101 to 401 and Socio Economic study reveals things ain't always as simple as they may seem to a wide eyed Freshman. Add to that unique and sometimes hidden market pressures and influences like Impulse and Thinking with Little Head and all bets are out the window.[/QUOTE]Yes sales and marketing come into play when someone is trying to differentiate themselves. That is why a high class escort can demand $1,000 or more per encounter.
A common street ho only has her skills and attitude to differentiate. Most dudes have no idea what performance will be like unless they have previously seen her or they have received reliable intel.
So when every girl on SA and every street ho suddenly increases their prices, with no other change in individual performance or sales technique, it is because some people are willing buyers at that higher price point. If no one agrees to pay the higher price point, prices come down.
[QUOTE=JimRob;5378305]
Your example of working 10 hours to make more money than working 15 hours is a place every seller wants to be. However, without a willing buyer, it doesn't put food on the table or more likely cover their bad habits.
Again, as long as some suckers are willing to pay the price, the "sellers" will keep their prices up.[/QUOTE]I think you're agreeing with me here. My example was pointing toward that a 'seller' will keep the higher price if they are making the money. No one can know how well a price will go until it's tested out.
If people ARE paying the prices, and they don't stop, and the provider is happy with the money they are making from it. Well it's not going to go back down. At that point, they aren't 'suckers', they are 'the clientele'. But on the flip side, if the clientele runs out for whatever the reason then prices will either go down to try and make up for it in volume, or up to try and make up for it in flow, and the cycle will happen once again.
The whole point of a 'market' is that the 'market' will either bear certain prices or it won't. If people are willing to pay -- either because they don't care, because they are ignorant of old prices, or because they legitly think it's a fair price, then it'll stay at that price. As your own free entity, you're free to pay it or not. You're also free to complain about it of course.
Had the time to see a couple of ladies while I was in Vegas. I have one more date planned for tomorrow, but she's annoying me, so we'll see.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/3c95c9d4-e940-2db1-4968-bc4a6e1f9115[/URL]
She's nice and thick, not fat at all, but a little thicker than her pics show. Full BB for $400. She drove herself or got her own Uber, which isn't a huge deal, but I find it annoying when I have to send an Uber for these girls too.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/17f63a20-ef7c-4de1-8140-f61dc0b19f2d[/URL]
Took a recommendation from this board. She's going and hot and has an amazing body. Full Bb for $600. I probably over paid, but that's ok, talked her down from 8. LOL. She also got her own Uber.
Guys,
Going to be visiting Vegas soon for a few days. I'm from the ATL scene I just work a rotation of SBs as I never really enjoyed the "escort type" very much and don't like to feel rushed.
Does it make sense to use a site like SA or SDM / sugar dating sites to try and meet ladies for company during my stay?
Or am I basically looking at the same Type escorts on all of the sites?
[QUOTE=Leep12;5399713]Guys,
Going to be visiting Vegas soon for a few days. I'm from the ATL scene I just work a rotation of SBs as I never really enjoyed the "escort type" very much and don't like to feel rushed.
Does it make sense to use a site like SA or SDM / sugar dating sites to try and meet ladies for company during my stay?
Or am I basically looking at the same Type escorts on all of the sites?[/QUOTE]SA is your best bet, but a lot of the ladies on SA who've been on there for a while act a lot like escorts. Pricing will definitely be higher in Vegas. I recommend searching for ladies who are newest to the site, which you can do in the search settings on SA. The ones without experience will be more open to things and less transactional.
Also, don't wait until you get to Vegas. Start early and message as many as you can. These girls get hundreds of messages and ignore most of them. A lot of the profiles will be scams asking you to send a little money upfront. It can be time consuming to find the right girl who will actually meet you. I guess in the end picking a high end escort will be a lot less hassle, but when you find the rare unicorn on SA it makes it worthwhile.
[QUOTE=Zimbler;5399749]SA is your best bet, but a lot of the ladies on SA who've been on there for a while act a lot like escorts. Pricing will definitely be higher in Vegas. I recommend searching for ladies who are newest to the site, which you can do in the search settings on SA. The ones without experience will be more open to things and less transactional.
Also, don't wait until you get to Vegas. Start early and message as many as you can. These girls get hundreds of messages and ignore most of them. A lot of the profiles will be scams asking you to send a little money upfront. It can be time consuming to find the right girl who will actually meet you. I guess in the end picking a high end escort will be a lot less hassle, but when you find the rare unicorn on SA it makes it worthwhile.[/QUOTE]Search SA by newest. Stay away from old profiles. Do the work up front before you travel. It's going to take a bunch of messages and texts. You will find a good one.