Massage Parlor Reports

[QUOTE=Hard Working 19]There have been dozens of convictions for trafficking (not enslaving) in Korean women in the US. It appears the only convictions have been of the 'middle men', not the top dogs, who I suspect are not even in the US. I am not arguing your theories or stance, just your claim of no convictions.[/QUOTE]

HW, I would be very amenable to changing my stance that the charge of trafficking in Korean women is a fact, rather than an allegation, and would be happy to post here that I stand corrected. However, before I do that I would need to see some credible evidence of convictions for trafficking in Korean women. If you can provide credible evidence of the dozens of convictions you speak of, please post it here. That might change how some of us approach the practice of patronizing Korean AMPs. I know it would change my approach.

[QUOTE=Irish Male2]HW, I would be very amenable to changing my stance that the charge of trafficking in Korean women is a fact, rather than an allegation, and would be happy to post here that I stand corrected. However, before I do that I would need to see some credible evidence of convictions for trafficking in Korean women. If you can provide credible evidence of the dozens of convictions you speak of, please post it here. That might change how some of us approach the practice of patronizing Korean AMPs. I know it would change my approach.[/QUOTE]I'll chime in, despite my lack of previous posts. Hey, you gotta start somewhere.

If it were even partially a human trafficking situation, I'd think there would be a story on the other end.

Some may be aware that there has been a strong anti-American influence in South Korea for years. If a significant percentage of Korean women were being brought to the US, by which they incur a sizable debt, and are made to "work it off" in US AMP's, and occasional LE investigations allege human trafficking, where is the outrage in Korea?

Anyone recall how the rape of a Filipino woman eventually lead to the US Navy withdrawal from Subic Bay?

[QUOTE=Irish Male2]HW, I would be very amenable to changing my stance that the charge of trafficking in Korean women is a fact, rather than an allegation, and would be happy to post here that I stand corrected. However, before I do that I would need to see some credible evidence of convictions for trafficking in Korean women. If you can provide credible evidence of the dozens of convictions you speak of, please post it here. That might change how some of us approach the practice of patronizing Korean AMPs. I know it would change my approach.[/QUOTE]I think it just makes them easier to negotiate with. : )

Enuff of the slave stuff? Please.

Yesterday. Connie at Osaka. Awesome. Happy for 60 minutes. No chance of ever getting prostate cancer!

OK. Not Osaka of old. But still a great time.

Cheers!

[url]http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2006/June/06_crt_366.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Irish Male2]HW, I would be very amenable to changing my stance that the charge of trafficking in Korean women is a fact, rather than an allegation, and would be happy to post here that I stand corrected. However, before I do that I would need to see some credible evidence of convictions for trafficking in Korean women. If you can provide credible evidence of the dozens of convictions you speak of, please post it here. That might change how some of us approach the practice of patronizing Korean AMPs. I know it would change my approach.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hard Working 19][url]http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2006/June/06_crt_366.html[/url][/QUOTE]

HW, you have done an admirable job of finding someone convicted of enslavement but there are a number of points to be made about the press release you posted.

1. First and foremost, nothing within the press release indicates the women were forced to provide sex. It's possible they did provide sex but the release clearly says their jobs were to entice customers of the enslaver to buy more liquor. It is unfathomable that if they were forced to provide sex the press release would not mention that fact.

2. The individual's business was a night club, and not a Korean AMP.

3. The women worked as hostesses rather than as masseuse's.

4. Reading the report linked at the end of the press release, it is conceded by the US Attorney General that, "Despite our record number of investigations and prosecutions, there is a noted disparity between the estimated number of victims and those who have been found and assisted. The Department realizes that it must address the incongruity between some estimates and the fewer than 1,000 victims who have been assisted through the efforts of federal, state, and local law enforcement since 2001, when services for trafficking victims were first made available under the TVPA. Though the possible reasons for this disparity vary, the difference nevertheless signals the need to carefully scrutinize the estimated number of trafficking victims to assure that it reflects as accurately as possible the actual number of human trafficking victims within our country."

The report estimates that 17,500 people are trafficked into our country each year. And yet, the study admits that they have only been able to help less than 1,000 victims? That's less than 200 per year. If the figures are correct, more than 86,500 "suspected" victims from 2001 to 2005 are still in servitude in the US of A.

If you go to part IV, page 17 of the study linked in the press release, you will see a box outlining the techniques used to address suspected trafficking. I don't argue that these techniques are ineffective but they have also been used to combat voluntary prostitution throughout the country. I truly believe this is more about combating prostitution than it is about human trafficking.

Finally, in addition to the points made above, there is still no credible evidence that the women we meet and enjoy in Korean AMPs are trafficked and enslaved by anyone.

I hope the nightclub owner in the press release received a full 25 year sentence and meets someone on the inside who objects to forcing humans to work against their will. But, again, I see no credible evidence of sex enslavement in Korean AMPS.

[QUOTE=Irish Male2]HW, you have done an admirable job of finding someone convicted of enslavement but there are a number of points to be made about the press release you posted.

1. First and foremost, nothing within the press release indicates the women were forced to provide sex. It's possible they did provide sex but the release clearly says their jobs were to entice customers of the enslaver to buy more liquor. It is unfathomable that if they were forced to provide sex the press release would not mention that fact.[/QUOTE]


Well, you never said at AMPs, but check the Hawaii boards and read what Korean hostesses are about. Does it matter if they are working in a bar or parlor, if they are being forced to do it? Do I believe that Korean women are trafficked in the United States? Yes. I don't think it happens in this area, but there have been MAJOR busts in the past year in Los Angeles, San Francisco, New York, DC and Atlanta that are winding their way thru the courts. As I said in a previous post, I think only 'middlemen' have been caught and charged. I think the major players are in Korea and Canada. Just FYI:

Federal prosecutors announced Monday that a San Francisco brothel owner who was accused of participating in a human trafficking ring that brought young Korean woman to the United States has pleaded guilty to one count under the federal indictment. U.S. Attorney Kevin Ryan said Anthony Gar Lau, 46, of San Bruno, entered the plea before U.S. District Judge Charles Breyer in San Francisco on Friday. Ryan said that in his guilty plea, Lau admitted to running a brothel using undocumented women from overseas as prostitutes at the Golden Flower Steam and Sauna Spa at 215 2nd St. in San Francisco. Ryan said Lau admitted to concealing the prostitutes from detection by immigration authorities. Lau was one of 29 people indicted by a federal grand jury last year on charges of alien harboring and money laundering in connection with a human trafficking ring that allegedly transported young women from Korea to San Francisco for coerced prostitution. As part of the plea agreement, Lau agreed to forfeit $1 million to the U.S. government. The amount represents his proceeds from harboring aliens, Ryan said. According to court documents, the trafficking process typically began when recruiters in Korea and the United States identified women in Korea who wanted to come to the United States, often to make money to support their families in Korea. The recruiters would then arrange for the transportation of the women to North America. In some cases, the recruiters provided the women with false immigration documents to enable the women to enter the United States illegally. In other instances, the women were taken into the custody of other handlers in Canada or Mexico and then smuggled into the United States. The complaints allege that, by the time the women arrived in the United States, they had incurred large financial debts, usually in the tens of thousands of dollars, to the recruiters in Korea and other members of the defendants' organization. Middlemen in the United States arranged for the women to be placed in one of the network’s numerous brothels and then transported the women to the brothels. In many cases, the brothels purported to be legal enterprises such as massage parlors, health spas and acupuncture clinics, but in fact generated the vast majority of their revenue through illegal prostitution. Once the women were delivered to the brothels, they were placed under the supervision and custody of the brothel owner or manager, who frequently took possession of the women's identification and travel documents, including passports, to restrict the ability of the women to leave. The complaints charge that the women then began working in the brothels as prostitutes, typically with their earnings credited against their outstanding debts to the members of the criminal organization. In some instances, the women were threatened or led to believe that if they left the prostitution business before paying off their debts, they would be turned over to United States law enforcement or immigration authorities, or that their families in Korea would be harmed. The intercepted telephone conversations revealed that the women were routinely traded and exchanged between and among the various brothel owners and managers, sometimes as often as several times per month, until they worked off their original debts to the defendants. When a new worker was needed, the owner or manager simply placed a call to a middleman or transporter, who located a woman who fit the manager's need and arranged for the transportation of the woman to the new brothel. In addition, the middlemen assisted the brothel owners in sending prostitution proceeds and other funds overseas through unlicensed Korean money transmitters. Prosecutors said, "This case is a reminder that large-scale human trafficking occurs every day, right in our own cities and neighborhoods. The United States government is dedicated putting an end to this type of trafficking, and to punishing those who seek to profit from the sexual exploitation of others."

Sex slavery goes on everywhere, even in the U.S. Whether Koreans, Dominicans, Russians and Eastern Europeans, etc., it has been happening for a long time. Most likely, to some extent, even here.

But a slave in the US is still probably a better life than where they came from.

Saints preserve us!!! Jackson, my brother, can't we have a separate compartment for this slavery thread? Perhaps 'the sociology of massage parlors' or 'indentured servants of the sex trade'...or something!!! These sorts of philosophical discussions are getting in the way of reports on providers. Sheeeesh!!!

We've taken the discussion elsewhere. I agree it's gone too far.

The premise of this and other boards of this type is the discussion of dating info that can benefit ourselves and others. Let's do that now.

I spent the past few days in Tampa on business. I brought along the laptop and used it last night to get info on the massage parlors in the area. Based on the cryptic info shared I went to the yellow pages to look for the Aloha with no luck, Nightmoves was no help either.

The one bit of info I was able to determine from the yellow pages was most of the rub&tugs were on or around Kennedy street. I have no problem going in and saying no to an offer.

CeCe greeted me at the door of the Japanese Spa, right across from the 5 Star Spa and in the same parking lot as the Sun Spa. (None of which were listed in the phone book.) She was probably 35+, decent and outgoing. As soon as I hit the shower table, her hands were repeatedly playing in my nether regions.

No discussion of additional price, no negotiation, no games, no BS. She knew what and why and how. It was a refreshing end to a good trip. I left about half of what the hours massage cost for her tip and she seemed pleased.

I don't go to an AMP to take advantage of another human being. If they were to ask for help, I think any of us would whatever we had to. CeCe didn't strike me as needing any help. She was making a living doing what she choose to do and did it very well. I'll be back again in a few months.

Hey friends,

I'm new to Tampa.

Can anyone please help me out in selecting a good massage parlor for FS in Tampa?

Thanks in advance

[QUOTE=Samples]Can anyone please help me out in selecting a good massage parlor for FS in Tampa?[/QUOTE]

Sure...check the Hillsborough County Sheriff's page and scan arrest records.

[QUOTE=Drew Park]Sure...check the Hillsborough County Sheriff's page and scan arrest records.[/QUOTE]I'm guessing he can do that through their 'intranetwork'.

[url]http://www.hcso.tampa.fl.us/pub/default.asp?/Online/qdisp/bn=08009843[/url]

[QUOTE=Drew Park]Sure...check the Hillsborough County Sheriff's page and scan arrest records.[/QUOTE]