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[QUOTE=Citizenv;5670416]Just curious, but did you bring up the pricing at that point in time or did she?

Obviously I wasn't there, but from what you've described, it sounds almost like something ruined the vibe between you prior to that. but she's clearly annoyed with the outcome of the HE negotiation so you trying to go for a bigger finish was probably a lost cause. The shorting of time and the lack of enthusiasm in the HE are just confirmation signals of her frustration imo.

If you can't figure out where things went wrong, I think you're making the right decision in not repeating. She would probably remember the encounter and the bad vibe would likely carry on into your next visit.[/QUOTE]In my opinion everything WAS going great, and up to that point I was already thinking I would repeat with her. Maybe you should reread my post, I apologize if it wasn't clear enough, as I stated "On the flip" is where it really went down hill for me.

You commented "I don't know why the price of the HE was being discussed at that point (not normal in my experience)".

Not Normal? Then when do YOU discuss the price?.

I been going to AMP's since 2014. "On the flip" means to me after she tells you to "TURN OVER" and you are laying there face up, and the massuse is looking at you and usually rubbing your upper thigh close to your junk. Some girls will just proceede with a Handshake, BUT most girls. Especially if you are seeing her for the first time, will ask "if you want" or "how much you tip" or "what you want Honey" that is always the point extras and prices are negotiated in my experience at EVERY AMP I have been to.

I don't rightly remember exactly how she inferred it , BUT she wanted to know my tip , I offered the standard $40 , She said "I gave good massage you can tip more" but she didn't offer any more options. From what I've heard since from a Regular she wants $80 for a Topless handshake. I'm not a fan of paying for topless or nude handshakes. But will gladly pay more for other menu items (if available) so I offerd $100 for one and was turned down.

There is not much to figure out , The only thing that ruined the vibe in my opinion IS she's GREEDY and wasn't happy with a $40 tip. Unless for some reason she just didn't like me. However I always show up freshly showered, nicely dressed and don't do any touchy feely during the massage, pefect customer as far as I'm concerned,

She's good looking, give her a try, BUT it takes a $80 tip to make her happy. P.S. The last girl I saw there also shorted me 10 minutes time and she was happy with the tip I gave her.

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[QUOTE=SlapNutts;5670626]You commented "I don't know why the price of the HE was being discussed at that point (not normal in my experience)".

Not Normal? Then when do YOU discuss the price?. [/QUOTE]Your post was fine, I was just surprised by some of the details.

To answer your question, I don't discuss the price of a HE, that's why I'm puzzled by your encounter.

For me, the flip goes 1 of 2 ways. If the girl is comfortable with me, then usually she asks me what I want or offers me certain options. If I'm choosing something extra off the menu, then the price for that item is discussed as you said. If we can't agree on price, or if I just don't want what's offered then I choose the HE and it just begins. In other cases where the girl doesn't know me as well or clearly doesn't want to offer more, I'm told to turn over and then the HE just begins without any discussion at all.

Sometimes they'll ask for permission as they begin to touch just to make sure its okay, but that's it. In NEITHER of those cases is the price of the HE ever discussed before its given. Almost as if its included in the price of the massage, and negotiation is only necessary if I want something other than the standard service. They just do it and then I tip whatever I want after the massage is finished.

I'm not young, and I don't have an underwear model's body, but like you I show up clean and behave myself. Also similarly to you, I've basically lived in AMP's for the last 4 years for most of my hobbying. During that time I've never been asked to "do it myself". I've literally only ever negotiated the price of a HE 1 time before receiving it, and the only time I usually ever get shorted on time is if I go during a busy time of the day.

I'm not suggesting you're doing something wrong. The simple fact is that our experiences are clearly quite different, and I'm just trying to figure out why.

[QUOTE=Citizenv;5671768]I'm not suggesting you're doing something wrong. The simple fact is that our experiences are clearly quite different, and I'm just trying to figure out why[/QUOTE]I couldn't agree more. Never had any amount discussed for HE. A simple look or nod sometimes. When I pay the house I pull it from a wad of 20's, they can see there is 40,60 or 80 in the wad. No discussion ever. The only time a discussion is had, and for me it is rare, is if I am at a location known for FS. Then it really isn't a tip. You are paying for a service. Depending on the location I can receive whatever I want. #1 - I don't let my hands run wild. I know that the providers actually respect that. I am fit, super clean, dress very well, I taught myself a little Mandarin and, I tip slightly above the avg. It's simple. Pay attention to #1. It may seem that that will get you what you seek, but politeness is really the key in an AMP. Just my opinion.

[QUOTE=Citizenv;5671768]Your post was fine, I was just surprised by some of the details.

To answer your question, I don't discuss the price of a HE, that's why I'm puzzled by your encounter.

For me, the flip goes 1 of 2 ways. If the girl is comfortable with me, then usually she asks me what I want or offers me certain options. If I'm choosing something extra off the menu, then the price for that item is discussed as you said. If we can't agree on price, or if I just don't want what's offered then I choose the HE and it just begins. In other cases where the girl doesn't know me as well or clearly doesn't want to offer more, I'm told to turn over and then the HE just begins without any discussion at all.

Sometimes they'll ask for permission as they begin to touch just to make sure its okay, but that's it. In NEITHER of those cases is the price of the HE ever discussed before its given. Almost as if its included in the price of the massage, and negotiation is only necessary if I want something other than the standard service. They just do it and then I tip whatever I want after the massage is finished.

I'm not young, and I don't have an underwear model's body, but like you I show up clean and behave myself. Also similarly to you, I've basically lived in AMP's for the last 4 years for most of my hobbying. During that time I've never been asked to "do it myself". I've literally only ever negotiated the price of a HE 1 time before receiving it, and the only time I usually ever get shorted on time is if I go during a busy time of the day.

I'm not suggesting you're doing something wrong. The simple fact is that our experiences are clearly quite different, and I'm just trying to figure out why.[/QUOTE]I've never had a AMP girl suggest "I do it myself either" however several years ago at Jojo's I think I had a brand new girl and no handshake was offered. Maybe she thought I was LEO, I gave her a $10 tip and she seemed happy. That's the only time I been to AMP without leaving happy.

Not only me but lots of guys get time shorted at Jojo's and Timberlake BP. Happens all the time, even when they are not busy.

I've had a few girls that go right to the HE. BUT if I had to guess, I'd say 8 out of 10 girls I see for the first time ask about the tip.

As for your record of only having to negotiate one HE, Try Yuki I'm confident she'll be # 2.

[QUOTE=Megadon1;5671798]I couldn't agree more. Never had any amount discussed for HE. A simple look or nod sometimes. When I pay the house I pull it from a wad of 20's, they can see there is 40,60 or 80 in the wad. No discussion ever. The only time a discussion is had, and for me it is rare, is if I am at a location known for FS. Then it really isn't a tip. You are paying for a service. Depending on the location I can receive whatever I want. #1 - I don't let my hands run wild. I know that the providers actually respect that. I am fit, super clean, dress very well, I taught myself a little Mandarin and, I tip slightly above the avg. It's simple. Pay attention to #1. It may seem that that will get you what you seek, but politeness is really the key in an AMP. Just my opinion.[/QUOTE]I agree sometimes on the flip a simple nod will set the HE into motion and no amount will be discussed. I stand firm that 8 out of 10 times when I see a girl for the FIRST TIME I'm asked how much tip on the flip even for a HE. I'm just stating the facts, this week at the moment of truth SHE brought up the tip, I don't remember the exact wording (I'll pay more attention next time) . BUT it was clear enough that I had to say a number before she proceded. I said $40 and she said " I gave really good massage, you can tip more".

Here is the thing, Not every time.... but most times I hand them the $40 or $60 house fee exactly and they dont see my wallet . I don't believe in flashing a big wad, the more money they see, the more tip they think you can afford. That stragity has only failed once since 2014, at a known HE place, The girl was very young and new , maybe she was scaird, or thought I was LEO. Let me be perfectly clear I'm not cheap, but I'm not paying more than $40 for a clothed HE, that raises the rates for everyone. Prime example if they know you have more money , they want more...one time I cashed in a "Free massage" card at Jojo's and the girl had nerve to say "free this time, so you can tip me more" LOL I don't think so Honey. I'm not changing my ways. But MAYBE since I don't flash my cash I get asked more about the HE tip than you guys. However I'm still at 99 % for leaving happy....I think that one girl was just a fluke , and that was probably 5 years ago.

As for Rules that should guarantee a HE #1 keep your hands to yourself #2 be respectful #3 Lay there naked and Never use the towel

[QUOTE=SlapNutts;5671961]As for your record of only having to negotiate one HE, Try Yuki I'm confident she'll be # 2.[/QUOTE]I've already seen her, I just didn't post it because it was a textbook 1st encounter and didn't provide any real details that hadn't already been posted about her. My record remains intact LOL. Just for conversational value, the one that I had to negotiate with was that old woman when I was doing recon on the AMP in bedford a few years back. She offered all the extras, and after I declined them all we agreed on the HE. She starts going to work, and then in the middle of it abruptly pauses and asks me what I'm going to pay for what she's doing. I said an amount and she gave me a "that's good enough" nod and went back to jackhammering LOL.

As for Yuki though, it was a very standard but successful first visit imo. I got the full time I paid for, and our interactions were all good. No extras were offered, but I didn't request any either. Feel like I can't really expect much more than that from an initial encounter.

It's worth noting that I did tip her 60 though. I don't always pay that for HE's, but I commonly do on first visits if I see something I like and want to make sure the encounter ends favorably. I think of it as part of making a good first impression, but I'm sure some will disagree with it as a practice. There's a lot more that goes into what I tip regularly for an HE. Was the massage good or was she sandbagging it? Was it a full hour or just HH? Did I get slighted on time? ETC. I don't see the tip as being just for the HE, its a statement about the service overall. If I feel like they deserve it, I'll give them 60, but I don't do it all the time or just because they feel entitled to it.

[QUOTE=Citizenv;5672428]I've already seen her, I just didn't post it because it was a textbook 1st encounter and didn't provide any real details that hadn't already been posted about her. My record remains intact LOL. Just for conversational value, the one that I had to negotiate with was that old woman when I was doing recon on the AMP in bedford a few years back. She offered all the extras, and after I declined them all we agreed on the HE. She starts going to work, and then in the middle of it abruptly pauses and asks me what I'm going to pay for what she's doing. I said an amount and she gave me a "that's good enough" nod and went back to jackhammering LOL.

As for Yuki though, it was a very standard but successful first visit imo. I got the full time I paid for, and our interactions were all good. No extras were offered, but I didn't request any either. Feel like I can't really expect much more than that from an initial encounter.

It's worth noting that I did tip her 60 though. I don't always pay that for HE's, but I commonly do on first visits if I see something I like and want to make sure the encounter ends favorably. I think of it as part of making a good first impression, but I'm sure some will disagree with it as a practice. There's a lot more that goes into what I tip regularly for an HE. Was the massage good or was she sandbagging it? Was it a full hour or just HH? Did I get slighted on time? ETC. I don't see the tip as being just for the HE, its a statement about the service overall. If I feel like they deserve it, I'll give them 60, but I don't do it all the time or just because they feel entitled to it.[/QUOTE]I hear you. Never been to the Bedford shop, as I heard it's just one old Lady. Depends on the place. BP, Tokyo or Asian healing you can ask for whatever you want on the first visit with confidence that you won't be turned down 99 % of the time. Another local place I won't name, where HE are usually the only main option I take a different approach. I just get the HE the first visit or two. THEN if the girl is still there ask for more after she knows you, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

Hell these days half of these girls don't even last a month and they are gone. I'm not goin to try and impress them with a $60 tip for a HE when odds are they will be gone the next time I go lol. I'm pretty sure the recent Ashley, and Lisa/Sunny only lasted a month or a tad longer...I even think there were a couple more girls that didnt stay long since Coco's departure but I dont remember their names

However in my recent situation where the girl ASKED for MORE $$ . I threw out a option where she could make more and it was turned down. Again She said "I give great massage, YOU can tip more" She just wanted more for a clothed HE , and didn't even bother to offer $60 upgrade like they do there for topless..NONE of that, just wanted more than $40 for a clothed HE. Now If I see a girl I REALLY like I may upgrade to a different option above standard if I'm hoping for more. But that's really rare. The only one in recent memory would be Mei. I upgraded to the next level HE without revealing too many details

Another guy had a similar experience as mine with Yuki. He'll probably post about it when he gets time.

It's common for JoJo's to have a cute lady working. Yuki just started and, IMO, she is very cute and attractive. A good height (little short) and thin. Always nice when there is a small tight ass. Eyes are cute but hides behind the a mask. Massage was average and I'm curious if she can do a stronger massage. I like it to hurt a little. Everything was inline with JoJo's. I don't know how the boss finds cute girls when BP is always ugly and out of shape. Is that now the difference between FS and HE?

I don't think politeness matters. As with everything in life, it helps that you aren't a goat. In shape definitely helps. They would rather provide FS to a clean and moderately fit guy than a fat ass or stinky goat. Being a jerk is clearly a disadvantage in life. But, for these ladies, money talks. $$ That is why they came to America, that is why their govt (which hates America) allows them to come here because all the money is sent home while they avoid paying taxes in America (but remittance is taxed in China), and many grew up poor. This is their one chance to get payed well for providing HE or FS and take care of their parents and buy a room (home) in a high rise building in China. It's all about the money. Money. Money. Money.

[QUOTE=Megadon1;5671798]……. It's simple. Pay attention to #1. It may seem that that will get you what you seek, but politeness is really the key in an AMP. Just my opinion.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NotBob2014;5674315]It's common for JoJo's to have a cute lady working. Yuki just started and, IMO, she is very cute and attractive. A good height (little short) and thin. Always nice when there is a small tight ass. Eyes are cute but hides behind the a mask. Massage was average and I'm curious if she can do a stronger massage. I like it to hurt a little. Everything was inline with JoJo's. I don't know how the boss finds cute girls when BP is always ugly and out of shape. Is that now the difference between FS and HE?[/QUOTE]Historically in my opinion, Jojo's does tend to have the better looking Ladies working in Lynchburg. With that said, I have seen 3 young Broads working at Timberlake BP that were FINE as HELL. But this was probably between 2014-2015 . I still pop in at BP once a year with hopes they get some more fine girls. But it's always a disappointment.

As For Yuki, she offered me medium or Hard. If you want stronger than she's doing, just tell her. I found her attractive as well, massage was good, pre flip was below average. Just some light fingertips on my back, never even went near my crack and wanted More than $40 for a HE but She didn't get it. Also the HE really didn't rate. Just a no skill jackhammer.

[QUOTE=NotBob2014;5674330]I don't think politeness matters. As with everything in life, it helps that you aren't a goat. In shape definitely helps. They would rather provide FS to a clean and moderately fit guy than a fat ass or stinky goat. Being a jerk is clearly a disadvantage in life. But, for these ladies, money talks. $$ That is why they came to America, that is why their govt (which hates America) allows them to come here because all the money is sent home while they avoid paying taxes in America (but remittance is taxed in China), and many grew up poor. This is their one chance to get payed well for providing HE or FS and take care of their parents and buy a room (home) in a high rise building in China. It's all about the money. Money. Money. Money.[/QUOTE]To each his own. I have a system / protocol that works for me, 100%. It's all good. I'll be in your area next week. If anything extraordinary happens I'll post.

[QUOTE=SlapNutts;5672590]I hear you. Never been to the Bedford shop, as I heard it's just one old Lady. Depends on the place. BP, Tokyo or Asian healing you can ask for whatever you want on the first visit with confidence that you won't be turned down 99 % of the time. Another local place I won't name, where HE are usually the only main option I take a different approach. I just get the HE the first visit or two. THEN if the girl is still there ask for more after she knows you, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

Hell these days half of these girls don't even last a month and they are gone. I'm not goin to try and impress them with a $60 tip for a HE when odds are they will be gone the next time I go lol. I'm pretty sure the recent Ashley, and Lisa/Sunny only lasted a month or a tad longer...I even think there were a couple more girls that didnt stay long since Coco's departure but I dont remember their names

However in my recent situation where the girl ASKED for MORE $$ . I threw out a option where she could make more and it was turned down. Again She said "I give great massage, YOU can tip more" She just wanted more for a clothed HE , and didn't even bother to offer $60 upgrade like they do there for topless..NONE of that, just wanted more than $40 for a clothed HE. Now If I see a girl I REALLY like I may upgrade to a different option above standard if I'm hoping for more. But that's really rare. The only one in recent memory would be Mei. I upgraded to the next level HE without revealing too many details

Another guy had a similar experience as mine with Yuki. He'll probably post about it when he gets time.[/QUOTE]Yes my experience was about the same. She wanted $60 and would not take off top and allowed only OTC touching. I never really gave her a yes or no. She jackhammered away and I gave her $40. I will give her another try since it was her first time me. I normally pretty good luck even if it's the first visit but not with her.

[QUOTE=Perimeter123;5676118]Yes my experience was about the same. She wanted $60 and would not take off top and allowed only OTC touching. I never really gave her a yes or no. She jackhammered away and I gave her $40. I will give her another try since it was her first time me. I normally pretty good luck even if it's the first visit but not with her.[/QUOTE]Perimeter123 empty your mailbox.

[QUOTE=Citizenv;5670416]Just curious, but did you bring up the pricing at that point in time or did she?

Obviously I wasn't there, but from what you've described, it sounds almost like something ruined the vibe between you prior to that. I don't know why the price of the HE was being discussed at that point (not normal in my experience), but she's clearly annoyed with the outcome of the HE negotiation so you trying to go for a bigger finish was probably a lost cause. The shorting of time and the lack of enthusiasm in the HE are just confirmation signals of her frustration imo.

If you can't figure out where things went wrong, I think you're making the right decision in not repeating. She would probably remember the encounter and the bad vibe would likely carry on into your next visit.[/QUOTE]I went back and gave Yucki another try, the 2nd visit was MUCH better than the first. While both times the massage was good. The first time there was ZERO teasing and the handshake was a jackhammer, and she shorted me 10 minutes and wanted $60 for a clothed handshake. This time there was plenty of teasing, and somehow her HE skills improved drasticlly, and NO mention of tip and I got ALL my time. It did look like she was staring at the $40 tip hoping another $20 would magically appear... But she did't say anything. All in all a very good visit.

New Girl Jessica. Is decent looking as well. My main concern / issue is every minute or two she has to cough / clear her throat. And it was a mood breaker for sure as I'm thinking is that "the crud" OR "something else?" especially in this day and age. Other than that, the massage was good. However on the flip, she did bring up the tip and asked How Much. I said $40 and she kept saying $60 I said OK If you take your top off. A cups at best,pretty much a waste of a $20 and the HE was another frigging no skill Jackhammer!...probably one of the worst actually, And she shorted me 10 minutes.

Based on Jessica's cough / throat clearing and lackluster Jackhammer I'd say choose Yucki if you go, plus she was ok with a $40 tip.

So I've been back to Jojo's twice since my last post.

The first time I saw Yuki again, it was a pretty standard visit but nothing significant enough to be worth reporting on that hadn't already been discussed.

Then I went back again earlier this week with the intent of seeing her a 3rd time. I didn't have an appointment, I just walked in. Jesse comes to the front, and I asked if Yuki was available. She nodded, so I paid and let her take me to a room. She walks out and I get situated on the table, then eventually she returns. Initially I thought she was just keeping me occupied while Yuki finished whatever she was doing. I talked about Yuki on an off over the next 5-10 minutes trying to remind her that that was who I was here to see. About 10 minutes in she starts applying oil and I realize that she's fully committed to being in here with me for the full duration. As she comes in and out of the room to get hot towels and things I can tell Yuki was in the room with someone across the hall and was never really available. Jesse's English is good enough that I don't believe this is a lack of comprehension issue.

It was pretty annoying, but I kept my thoughts to myself for the time being and spent the next 15 minutes on the table debating on how to best play out the situation. I considered just letting her do the standard HE finish and then not tip her anything at all. Had I been traveling and never intending to return here I would have probably chosen that option, but in this case chose not to. Figured I should try and turn it into a TOFTT opportunity for you guys benefit instead.

So here it is, she's a slim body type. Not grandma age, but not super young either (definitely older than Yuki / Coco). Her English is good and when I saw her a week ago she wasn't doing any of the coughing yet so that must be a recent development. The massage was average. No teasing at all pre-flip. On the flip negotiations begin immediately (yeah, even for the HE), but extras are available. Left with a CBJ for one Franklin. She's probably a better option than much of what Lynchburg has to offer, but I would rather go see Emily than repeat. If you go to Jojo's looking for Yuki, make an appointment and watch out for that bait and switch!

As a side note. Do any of you drive a mid-90's Z28 with straight pipes? There was one in the parking lot when I went in, and it totally felt like a mongers ride to me haha. Feel free to PM if you wish.