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[QUOTE=SkyWookie;5168414]First it's sad when 7 girls out is considered "hopping" especially when they are all not worth picking up LOL. Second, yes the site was acting crazy, kept showing me posts in reverse order as in oldest first, shit came up from 2010, I couldn't post or comment.[/QUOTE]LOL yea true about Fib ain't nothing left but trash on that once infamous hoe stroll.
[QUOTE=SkyWookie;5168414]First it's sad when 7 girls out is considered "hopping" especially when they are all not worth picking up LOL. Second, yes the site was acting crazy, kept showing me posts in reverse order as in oldest first, shit came up from 2010, I couldn't post or comment.[/QUOTE]Compared to how it's been, that's the most I've seen out in months. So to me that's considered "poppin", especially on one of the slowest nights of the week.
[QUOTE=MassageAwesome;5169183]Compared to how it's been, that's the most I've seen out in months. So to me that's considered "poppin", especially on one of the slowest nights of the week.[/QUOTE]Actually Fib can have more girls out on the weekdays versus the weekends I found that especially true years back when they still had somewhat decent girls.
Been a while since I been out and I've got the day off tomorrow. Daytime stroll recommendations?
[QUOTE=ShdyBlckBoy;5169391]Been a while since I been out and I've got the day off tomorrow. Daytime stroll recommendations?[/QUOTE]Fib your only bet but most likely they will be zombie looking SW but you never know you might find a decent one.
[QUOTE=ShdyBlckBoy;5169391]Been a while since I been out and I've got the day off tomorrow. Daytime stroll recommendations?[/QUOTE]F I B is so unpredictable sometimes. It's like going to a strip club or massage parlor. You could find that "gem" during the day. You could find that "gem" at night. Only difference is you'll see more of what they look like during the day. All about the timing and a little bit of luck / right place at the right time.
[QUOTE=MassageAwesome;5171486]F I B is so unpredictable sometimes. It's like going to a strip club or massage parlor. You could find that "gem" during the day. You could find that "gem" at night. Only difference is you'll see more of what they look like during the day. All about the timing and a little bit of luck / right place at the right time.[/QUOTE]Used to be you could sit in the McD's parking lo or the gas station next door in the early AM and they would come to you. But I reckon those days are gone because now LEO might be knocking asking what you are doing sitting at a closed establishment.
[QUOTE=SgtLurker;5171652]Used to be you could sit in the McD's parking lo or the gas station next door in the early AM and they would come to you. But I reckon those days are gone because now LEO might be knocking asking what you are doing sitting at a closed establishment.[/QUOTE]When I drive past LE (sitting at a gas station) I try not to pass them twice because it makes me think they know why I'm there and they'll come pull me over. Any reason to meet their quota.
[QUOTE=MassageAwesome;5171750]When I drive past LE (sitting at a gas station) I try not to pass them twice because it makes me think they know why I'm there and they'll come pull me over. Any reason to meet their quota.[/QUOTE]TBH LE on Fib really don't even give a fuck no more I pass by them multiple times and they did nothing they just there more less to make sure no violent crime occurs.
[QUOTE=SgtLurker;5171652]Used to be you could sit in the McD's parking lo or the gas station next door in the early AM and they would come to you. But I reckon those days are gone because now LEO might be knocking asking what you are doing sitting at a closed establishment.[/QUOTE]Yea that McDonald's had a lot of action back in the day LOL.
It's Friday night anyone on Fib tonight or later tonight?
MassageAwesome?
Hit up F I B tonight around 10:30. There were quite a few out: a couple BSW on Frederick as well as that light skin ass twerking girl (who I now think is the same Afro puff black onesie thong girl), the old ugly thin WSW, Nikki, as well as a WSW standing with her (I think she was the same light skin one I saw earlier in the week. She's either light skinned or white). I also saw Lilly the "Latina " SW (I'll tell you why the " on F I C. Decided to pick her up since she's "Latina" and has HUGE, I mean HUGE tits. Charged 40 for a CBJ and we spent 15 minutes trying to find a spot (I didn't like the first 2 spots she suggested and she didn't like the 2 spots I suggested). We settled on her first spot (on Frederick up a parking hill close to the fence. She gave a pretty good CBJ. Doesn't like her ass (nice and small to medium sized, felt real soft) squeezed too hard. I actually was in the verge when she said her jaw was starting to hurt (after 3 minutes?? Really? So she jerked me while I played with her HUGE tits til I exploded in wrapper. Afterwards I dropped her off. She says she's "European" but mostly white. Last time she told me she was from Mexico (I picked her up before a few months back and she charged me 5 bucks to let me play with her HUGE tits). I don't think I will pick up Lilly anymore. I think I may call it quits in the SW world for awhile. I may cruise around but not really pick anyone up. Thought Lilly could be close to a "gem" but she's a rock. I think I'd had a better time with Nikki honestly. Damn her and her 60 bucks LOL.
[QUOTE=MassageAwesome;5172713]Hit up F I B tonight around 10:30. There were quite a few out: a couple BSW on Frederick as well as that light skin ass twerking girl (who I now think is the same Afro puff black onesie thong girl), the old ugly thin WSW, Nikki, as well as a WSW standing with her (I think she was the same light skin one I saw earlier in the week. She's either light skinned or white). I also saw Lilly the "Latina " SW (I'll tell you why the " on F I C. Decided to pick her up since she's "Latina" and has HUGE, I mean HUGE tits. Charged 40 for a CBJ and we spent 15 minutes trying to find a spot (I didn't like the first 2 spots she suggested and she didn't like the 2 spots I suggested). We settled on her first spot (on Frederick up a parking hill close to the fence. She gave a pretty good CBJ. Doesn't like her ass (nice and small to medium sized, felt real soft) squeezed too hard. I actually was in the verge when she said her jaw was starting to hurt (after 3 minutes?? Really? So she jerked me while I played with her HUGE tits til I exploded in wrapper. Afterwards I dropped her off. She says she's "European" but mostly white. Last time she told me she was from Mexico (I picked her up before a few months back and she charged me 5 bucks to let me play with her HUGE tits). I don't think I will pick up Lilly anymore. I think I may call it quits in the SW world for awhile. I may cruise around but not really pick anyone up. Thought Lilly could be close to a "gem" but she's a rock. I think I'd had a better time with Nikki honestly. Damn her and her 60 bucks LOL.[/QUOTE]I think you should try the slim SW on Fib from now on they don't be on no bullshit LOL.
[QUOTE=MrTattoo;5173202]I think you should try the slim SW on Fib from now on they don't be on no bullshit LOL.[/QUOTE]I'm not really about the chocolate, plus the slim WSWs look too ugly. So I guess it's a no win for me LOL.
Pass through Fib around 6:30 pm this evening and stayed till a little after 7 pm only saw 2 SW on Mills one Slim BSW and a WSW sitting on the curb eating dinner or whatever LOL. I rode through Wendell nothing on both ends and no LE so I made another pass on Mills saw a WSW walking down the hill and I think that crazy BSW who stay pregnant was on Mills but did another pass they all was gone like the wind so I left.
I know it was kind of early but it wasn't cold but still the area was pretty dead I only went cause I had nothing else to do today maybe it will pick up later tonight.
[QUOTE=MrTattoo;5174020]Pass through Fib around 6:30 pm this evening and stayed till a little after 7 pm only saw 2 SW on Mills one Slim BSW and a WSW sitting on the curb eating dinner or whatever LOL. I rode through Wendell nothing on both ends and no LE so I made another pass on Mills saw a WSW walking down the hill and I think that crazy BSW who stay pregnant was on Mills but did another pass they all was gone like the wind so I left.
I know it was kind of early but it wasn't cold but still the area was pretty dead I only went cause I had nothing else to do today maybe it will pick up later tonight.[/QUOTE]I was around there at 8 ish. It must've been white girls night last night. I saw Nikki and someone actually picked her up. I was surprised as hell. Then I saw another WSW I've never seen before over there. Some mexican dude picked her up before I could get a closer look and he must've spent the night with her because I didn't see her again. I saw one of the strippers come out of fannies waiting by the door. Looked like she was waiting for a lyft. She was bad and I was tempted to play lyft and give her a ride. I would've gave her a ride but I would've taken money off the fare if she was "with it. " Cops started riding around at 9 So I left. I wonder why they don't hang out over by wax anymore?
Hit up F I B tonight around 9:30. I wasn't going to pick anyone up, just wasn't ready to go home. Only 2 SW out: a black one on Mills and a white one walking around the Starship parking lot. She was tall, thin, and had black hair. From a distance it looked like a guy wearing a black wig. In any event, she (or maybe he) got picked up. Saw this girl sitting at the light on the intersection of Shirley and F I B. Never seen her before and again wasn't in a "picking up" mood. Sorry the pic is sideways. I sent it the normal way.
[QUOTE=MassageAwesome;5175429]Hit up F I B tonight around 9:30. I wasn't going to pick anyone up, just wasn't ready to go home. Only 2 SW out: a black one on Mills and a white one walking around the Starship parking lot. She was tall, thin, and had black hair. From a distance it looked like a guy wearing a black wig. In any event, she (or maybe he) got picked up. Saw this girl sitting at the light on the intersection of Shirley and F I B. Never seen her before and again wasn't in a "picking up" mood. Sorry the pic is sideways. I sent it the normal way.[/QUOTE]Well Monday and Tuesday supposed to be warm in the 70's but rainy so maybe those will be a better night but probably not I use to find good ones on Fib on Sunday nights in the past. I first met Star on a hot summer Sunday night years ago LOL.
[QUOTE=MassageAwesome;5175429]Hit up F I B tonight around 9:30. I wasn't going to pick anyone up, just wasn't ready to go home. Only 2 SW out: a black one on Mills and a white one walking around the Starship parking lot. She was tall, thin, and had black hair. From a distance it looked like a guy wearing a black wig. In any event, she (or maybe he) got picked up. Saw this girl sitting at the light on the intersection of Shirley and F I B. Never seen her before and again wasn't in a "picking up" mood. Sorry the pic is sideways. I sent it the normal way.[/QUOTE]Its always been my opinion picking up a new girl is risky, more so than an established one. So if I'm going to take on the possible headache of a pain in the ass girl she better be hot. Otherwise I'm better off looking for the fib old reliable. I know gems are rare but again unless I'm scoring big I just won't pick up an average looking new girl.
FYI also the 2 times I saw guys get busted by cop girls they were 30 something ladies, I'm not saying they couldn't have a 20 year old Hottie but the cop chips tend to be older.
[QUOTE=SkyWookie;5176609]Its always been my opinion picking up a new girl is risky, more so than an established one. So if I'm going to take on the possible headache of a pain in the ass girl she better be hot. Otherwise I'm better off looking for the fib old reliable. I know gems are rare but again unless I'm scoring big I just won't pick up an average looking new girl.
FYI also the 2 times I saw guys get busted by cop girls they were 30 something ladies, I'm not saying they couldn't have a 20 year old Hottie but the cop chips tend to be older.[/QUOTE]I was on F I B tonight around 9:30. Nothing exciting: 2 BSW on Mills, Nikki in FIC and Frederick, 2 BSW on the side of the Valero (one waving and running to me like she knew me). A lot of yayhoos at Valero (looked like as if it was Friday night). Took 3 trips around and left. No LE in that area but one at the gas station on Wendell.
[QUOTE=MassageAwesome;5177099]I was on F I B tonight around 9:30. Nothing exciting: 2 BSW on Mills, Nikki in FIC and Frederick, 2 BSW on the side of the Valero (one waving and running to me like she knew me). A lot of yayhoos at Valero (looked like as if it was Friday night). Took 3 trips around and left. No LE in that area but one at the gas station on Wendell.[/QUOTE]Man I thought since it was a little warm tonight it would be more SW out oh well maybe Spring and Summer.
[QUOTE=MrTattoo;5177283]Man I thought since it was a little warm tonight it would be more SW out oh well maybe Spring and Summer.[/QUOTE]Maybe because it was just one night of warmer weather. I'm not giving these girls credit for being rocket scientists, I don't think they check the weather, probably when it's warmer consistently they will start coming out more. Not that you see gems often but when I have its usually during 50=70 degree weather that is daily, when its too cold they stay away, too hot they stay away.
[QUOTE=MrTattoo;5177283]Man I thought since it was a little warm tonight it would be more SW out oh well maybe Spring and Summer.[/QUOTE]Yea true them SW ain't got no dedication no more on Fib you take a street like Figueroa in LA them SW out 24/7 no matter the weather.
Anybody passing through Fib tonight?
Massage Awesome I'm sure you are LOL.
[QUOTE=MrTattoo;5183293]Anybody passing through Fib tonight?
Massage Awesome I'm sure you are LOL.[/QUOTE]LOL I'm on my way as we speak. Not going to pick anyone up, just going to cruise.
[QUOTE=MassageAwesome;5183535]LOL I'm on my way as we speak. Not going to pick anyone up, just going to cruise.[/QUOTE]Cruised around FIC about a few times and Mills twice. Saw no one, not a soul, not even Nikki. Must be the weather. I saw a couple of BSW hanging out inside the Valero though. Too many people in there to take a better look, so I did not take the chance. I even drove on Wendell and did not see anybody. Saw either a white, light skinned, could even been Latina SW behind that gas station though. She was wearing a black jacket and pink sweatpants. Called it a night.
[QUOTE=MassageAwesome;5183570]Cruised around FIC about a few times and Mills twice. Saw no one, not a soul, not even Nikki. Must be the weather. I saw a couple of BSW hanging out inside the Valero though. Too many people in there to take a better look, so I did not take the chance. I even drove on Wendell and did not see anybody. Saw either a white, light skinned, could even been Latina SW behind that gas station though. She was wearing a black jacket and pink sweatpants. Called it a night.[/QUOTE]Damn if Nikki wasn't out something ain't right LOL. I guess it's the cold weather but thought it be a few SW out on a Friday night.
I pass through Saturday evening.
Hey guys. I have never done a SW before. Any guidance for a white SW, location, what should I be careful for? Don't mind driving. Just want to venture out a little bit and try something new for a change.
Cruised thru there around 2 am and nobody was out. I started calling old numbers and got in touch with Deborah and let me tell you she never fails to satisfy me. Bbj cfs and finish on her back she has always been a cheap thrill just hard to get in to inch with.
[QUOTE=MassageFourMe;5183703]Hey guys. I have never done a SW before. Any guidance for a white SW, location, what should I be careful for? Don't mind driving. Just want to venture out a little bit and try something new for a change.[/QUOTE]As far as location goes, hit up Fulton Industrial Blvd. On there you'll see streets such as Wendell, Shirley Dr, Frederick, and Fulton Industrial Circle (F I C). You'll also see Mills Pl (you can either Google these locations or when you're on FIB you'll see a Valero and a Red Roof Inn, turn on that street. F I C is one circle and it'll take you back up to F I B).
As far as WSW, keep in mind these girls aren't sexy. In fact, I don't even think any of them are cute, but if you wanting to dump a quick nut, they'll do. There are fewer WSW (white street walkers) than BSW (black street walkers). There’s Nikki (explain later), Boston (like 5 foot), star (best BJ in that area I hear, but haven’t seen her in a long time), and a few older ones that look cute from the back or from a distance but ugly when you get up close. Boston is like that BTW.
What to be careful for is the obvious: LE. They are usually parked at the gas station. But be careful as some of them are disguised in black SUVs, but I seldom seen that (knock on wood). Don't pick one up in front of them. The girls there know the area so they'll tell you where to go without being interrupted. If you looking for FS, they'll usually have a room. If you just want a BJ, they know spots to go.
As far as price goes the WSWs usually charge 40 for BJ. I don't know how much for FS because I don't do it. There's a girl named Nikki (BBW, read hair, glasses, big ass and big gut, out almost every night, read the past posts, you'll know who she is) who charges 60. IMO that's too much for a BJ even though she does give good head. If you trying to be safe bring a condom. Some will do only do CBJ, others will do BBBJ (or CBJ if you bring a rubber).
When picking one up they'll ask if you're LE or not. They may test it by grabbing your dick or letting you grab them. They can also smell new blood so act like you've done it before. They'll try to get more money out of the newbies. Again 40 max is what you should pay. If you do BBBJ they may ask for a tip if you want them to swallow (usually 5 bucks more). Once the deed is done drop them back off. If you want to see them again ask for the # (but if you live with a S O probably not a good idea).
That's all I can think of. When you post on here please give a description of the woman (if any) you picked up (what they look like, what they wore, their body description). Sharing is caring LOL.
Hope this helps and good luck.
[QUOTE=MassageAwesome;5184071]As far as location goes, hit up Fulton Industrial Blvd. On there you'll see streets such as Wendell, Shirley Dr, Frederick, and Fulton Industrial Circle (F I C). You'll also see Mills Pl (you can either Google these locations or when you're on FIB you'll see a Valero and a Red Roof Inn, turn on that street. F I C is one circle and it'll take you back up to F I B).
As far as WSW, keep in mind these girls aren't sexy. In fact, I don't even think any of them are cute, but if you wanting to dump a quick nut, they'll do. There are fewer WSW (white street walkers) than BSW (black street walkers). Theres Nikki (explain later), Boston (like 5 foot), star (best BJ in that area I hear, but havent seen her in a long time), and a few older ones that look cute from the back or from a distance but ugly when you get up close. Boston is like that BTW.
What to be careful for is the obvious: LE. They are usually parked at the gas station. But be careful as some of them are disguised in black SUVs, but I seldom seen that (knock on wood). Don't pick one up in front of them. The girls there know the area so they'll tell you where to go without being interrupted. If you looking for FS, they'll usually have a room. If you just want a BJ, they know spots to go.
As far as price goes the WSWs usually charge 40 for BJ. I don't know how much for FS because I don't do it. There's a girl named Nikki (BBW, read hair, glasses, big ass and big gut, out almost every night, read the past posts, you'll know who she is) who charges 60. IMO that's too much for a BJ even though she does give good head. If you trying to be safe bring a condom. Some will do only do CBJ, others will do BBBJ (or CBJ if you bring a rubber).
When picking one up they'll ask if you're LE or not. They may test it by grabbing your dick or letting you grab them. They can also smell new blood so act like you've done it before. They'll try to get more money out of the newbies. Again 40 max is what you should pay. If you do BBBJ they may ask for a tip if you want them to swallow (usually 5 bucks more). Once the deed is done drop them back off. If you want to see them again ask for the # (but if you live with a S O probably not a good idea).
That's all I can think of. When you post on here please give a description of the woman (if any) you picked up (what they look like, what they wore, their body description). Sharing is caring LOL.
Hope this helps and good luck.[/QUOTE]This is all dead on, the only thing I would add is don't be afraid to keep driving, you'll be tempted to score, but some girls can be real trouble to be cautious, this isn't like massage parlors where you are negotiating in a legit business, street girls will rob you if they get the chance.
Went to Fib around 9 pm and stayed till 10 pm saw about 4 big BSW on Mills not my taste and Big Nikki on FIC she was about to get picked up but I guess the guy changed his mind. I didn't see anything on Wendell and no LE but the SW soon vanish so I went by Club Wax and Trapeze both was jam packed especially Trapeze. Before I left I saw a very slim SW by the Super Inn with pink hair and very skinny legs I mean very skinny but she vanish also. So after an hour in the area around 10 pm the area seemed dead as the girls vanish so I called it a night and headed home.
[QUOTE=HalliknWolk;5183742]Cruised thru there around 2 am and nobody was out. I started calling old numbers and got in touch with Deborah and let me tell you she never fails to satisfy me. Bbj cfs and finish on her back she has always been a cheap thrill just hard to get in to inch with.[/QUOTE]Is she the older BSW with big tits?
[QUOTE=MassageAwesome;5184071]As far as location goes, hit up Fulton Industrial Blvd. On there you'll see streets such as Wendell, Shirley Dr, Frederick, and Fulton Industrial Circle (F I C). You'll also see Mills Pl (you can either Google these locations or when you're on FIB you'll see a Valero and a Red Roof Inn, turn on that street. F I C is one circle and it'll take you back up to F I B).
As far as WSW, keep in mind these girls aren't sexy. In fact, I don't even think any of them are cute, but if you wanting to dump a quick nut, they'll do. There are fewer WSW (white street walkers) than BSW (black street walkers). Theres Nikki (explain later), Boston (like 5 foot), star (best BJ in that area I hear, but havent seen her in a long time), and a few older ones that look cute from the back or from a distance but ugly when you get up close. Boston is like that BTW.
What to be careful for is the obvious: LE. They are usually parked at the gas station. But be careful as some of them are disguised in black SUVs, but I seldom seen that (knock on wood). Don't pick one up in front of them. The girls there know the area so they'll tell you where to go without being interrupted. If you looking for FS, they'll usually have a room. If you just want a BJ, they know spots to go.
As far as price goes the WSWs usually charge 40 for BJ. I don't know how much for FS because I don't do it. There's a girl named Nikki (BBW, read hair, glasses, big ass and big gut, out almost every night, read the past posts, you'll know who she is) who charges 60. IMO that's too much for a BJ even though she does give good head. If you trying to be safe bring a condom. Some will do only do CBJ, others will do BBBJ (or CBJ if you bring a rubber).
When picking one up they'll ask if you're LE or not. They may test it by grabbing your dick or letting you grab them. They can also smell new blood so act like you've done it before. They'll try to get more money out of the newbies. Again 40 max is what you should pay. If you do BBBJ they may ask for a tip if you want them to swallow (usually 5 bucks more). Once the deed is done drop them back off. If you want to see them again ask for the # (but if you live with a S O probably not a good idea).
That's all I can think of. When you post on here please give a description of the woman (if any) you picked up (what they look like, what they wore, their body description). Sharing is caring LOL.
Hope this helps and good luck.[/QUOTE]Wow thanks for the great information. Like I said I'm new to the SW type and just worried about getting in trouble or getting tired off. I'll take your advice and check it out. I take it they are out more when it's warmer?
[QUOTE=PoeticMan1;5185645]Is she the older BSW with big tits?[/QUOTE]Yep that's her. Just close your eyes and enjoy the best bbj you ever had from old deborah.
[QUOTE=MassageFourMe;5185923]Wow thanks for the great information. Like I said I'm new to the SW type and just worried about getting in trouble or getting tired off. I'll take your advice and check it out. I take it they are out more when it's warmer?[/QUOTE]The only trouble I could think of is LE. If you're cruising past the gas stations and you see LE, then stay with cruising the back streets so you won't get seen. Most of the girls there won't cause trouble. I tend to stay away from the girls who are walking around with or talking with other men. Makes me think it's their pimp or something. Try to avoid picking them up at gas stations even when there's not any LE. But if you do, be careful. They'll be a lotta dudes trying to talk to you. Just tell them no thanks or not interested. Say it politely because they can get annoying.
You could come out when it's warm but last year summer was about the same as this winter. Some nights there can be a couple SW out. Other nights you may see 6 or 7. It could be any given night as well. I'll admit even with what's going on in the world and while I prefer a CBJ, a BBBJ from a woman who been in the cold does feel quite nice.
[QUOTE=MassageAwesome;5186124]The only trouble I could think of is LE. If you're cruising past the gas stations and you see LE, then stay with cruising the back streets so you won't get seen. Most of the girls there won't cause trouble. I tend to stay away from the girls who are walking around with or talking with other men. Makes me think it's their pimp or something. Try to avoid picking them up at gas stations even when there's not any LE. But if you do, be careful. They'll be a lotta dudes trying to talk to you. Just tell them no thanks or not interested. Say it politely because they can get annoying.
You could come out when it's warm but last year summer was about the same as this winter. Some nights there can be a couple SW out. Other nights you may see 6 or 7. It could be any given night as well. I'll admit even with what's going on in the world and while I prefer a CBJ, a BBBJ from a woman who been in the cold does feel quite nice.[/QUOTE]I really don't think LE even cares anymore cause I pass them multiple times and they didn't move an inch they know why cars are circling the area. I think they just more less watching for drug activity or make sure any shootings don't occur. I think they could care less about Johns picking up prostitutes but still need to be careful tho.
Hit WCR & ran into BSW Tasha. She's kinda tall & thick. Nice ass. Only had $13 after gambling & she went for it. Nice wet BBBJ & good attitude.
[QUOTE=MrTattoo;5186320]I really don't think LE even cares anymore cause I pass them multiple times and they didn't move an inch they know why cars are circling the area. I think they just more less watching for drug activity or make sure any shootings don't occur. I think they could care less about Johns picking up prostitutes but still need to be careful tho.[/QUOTE]I agree totally, I have driven past them over and over repeatedly for hours and they do nothing. Every year or so the sheriff will get them to do a bust to show "they are doing something" and then back to not caring about girls turning tricks. At the same time I wouldn't pick up a girl 100 feet from where they are parked either LOL.
[QUOTE=PoeticMan1;5186653]Hit WCR & ran into BSW Tasha. She's kinda tall & thick. Nice ass. Only had $13 after gambling & she went for it. Nice wet BBBJ & good attitude.[/QUOTE]What, $13? Can you expound on what WCR stands for?