"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6620521]Really? He puts a roof over his wife's head, puts her in some wheels, and does all the things she wants that cost him $. How many females out there do you think would sleep w / you if you were damn flat broke?

If I figured a 'PPM' for my SO, it would be way way more than I have ever given any SB.

There is clearly an exchange of wealth for sex in a vast majority of male. Female relationships. Unless you are a rock star or look like Brad Pitt, there is no such thing as free pussy.[/QUOTE]Haha. Ever heard of Tinder? There's no money exchanged for hooking up. You need to Go to a bar and pick up a girl and bring her home. Keep trying until you are successful. There are plenty of girls out there who will fuck for free.

Hey guys, looking for any recs on this MILF from seeking. I've chatted with her a bit but never seen her and curious if anyone has and would recommend or not, thanks.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/80245240-79d7-4e15-acab-d9a273791bcb[/URL]

[QUOTE=DocHolliday35;6620790]Haha. Ever heard of Tinder? There's no money exchanged for hooking up. You need to Go to a bar and pick up a girl and bring her home. Keep trying until you are successful. There are plenty of girls out there who will fuck for free.[/QUOTE]I'd guess in school reading comprehension wasn't an A for you. I have a SO. I can't go to a bar trolling and bring home a girl. I am also well past being able to claim social security. I do like to bang 20-somethings, though, and there aren't too many girls who want to do the reverse out there.

[QUOTE=CoolEric1999;6617464]Where did you find her?[/QUOTE]On Seeking.

[QUOTE=DocHolliday35;6620790]Haha. Ever heard of Tinder? There's no money exchanged for hooking up. You need to Go to a bar and pick up a girl and bring her home. Keep trying until you are successful. There are plenty of girls out there who will fuck for free.[/QUOTE]Yes, we've all definitely heard of tinder, where only the top 5% of men get matches and are successful. Textbook economics dicatates that if women can earn $400 PPM for fucking, why on earth would they fuck for free?

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6620902]I'd guess in school reading comprehension wasn't an A for you. I have a SO. I can't go to a bar trolling and bring home a girl. I am also well past being able to claim social security. I do like to bang 20-somethings, though, and there aren't too many girls who want to do the reverse out there.[/QUOTE]Sounds like a personal problem. There are thousands of girls out here screwing for no money.

[QUOTE=NoRug17;6619792]They have made the platform seeking, so expensive only real sugar daddies can afford it anymore.[/QUOTE]Seeking & SDM sites recently became more of scam sites, I am not talking about members. When you are a free member you won't have any issues but once you are a paid member to communicate with members the problem starts. These sites literally steal your money and they suspend you after they get your money.

For no reason, they suspend your accounts anytime due to automatic triggers that happen on the site on a regular basis and all your money will be gone. They clearly state there are no refunds.

I personally don't recommend using gift cards while getting a membership.

If you want to upgrade your membership only use Amex credit card. Some members want be anonymous and with amex you can use an alias name and can change the address. You can do dispute and block merchant with full refund in case seeking or SDM sites act up.

[QUOTE=DocHolliday35;6621435]Sounds like a personal problem. There are thousands of girls out here screwing for no money.[/QUOTE]Thousands. Is that out of the 8 billion people on the planet? I'll stand by my past statement. The 'vast majority' of male / female relations (including marriages, and specifically my own and many IK) have an element of $ to them.

You're a veteran here, you've likely read the posts of JZLizard, and Hollywood Guy, both Deans of the bowl. HG flat out says there is no such thing as free pussy. JZLizard, he says that paying a girl, even a modest amount, is the way to assure that she isn't expecting other 'benefits' from you; they would be much less overt than a stack of cash. She might really want a relationship, or something like it. If you pay her, you'll keep the lines very very clear. If you don't pay a girl you are seeing from SA, she can develop other 'expectations'.

The dude who started off this convo, because his girl is married as is he, her desires from him for the benefits she is providing, they could be very very costly.

And, 'personal problem'? Are you implying I am some homely dork who can't get women? You have no possible way to know something like that, it's just flaming, which isn't really supposed to be part of this blog. If you want to know about my SBs, ask another poster, JoyDrop, a friend who has seen all my SBs. He, BTW, wasn't kidding in his long post, and I cannot tell you the admiration in which I hold him.

Recall my initial post. I said the only people who get really free pussy are rock stars and guys who look like Brad Pitt. I assume most reading this aren't either of those, because they are reading this. They wouldn't need to if all they had to do was snap their fingers and girls wanted to bang them.

LonelyBaby.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/449ab474-88d4-4e43-adfa-b5a163508686[/URL]

PiscesPrincess.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/c2561814-a2a6-45d0-b313-1fd4ea368fde[/URL]

Aria Rose.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/090cfaf7-904f-4750-af83-44aa74904ff1[/URL]

Amethyst_dream.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/0f0952ff-49c7-403c-8ff2-8483a4dcc19d[/URL]

Hottie02.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/49e045ed-0d92-472a-a8a2-8d3a8a5bb767[/URL]

[QUOTE=DocHolliday35;6620790]Haha. Ever heard of Tinder? There's no money exchanged for hooking up. You need to Go to a bar and pick up a girl and bring her home. Keep trying until you are successful. There are plenty of girls out there who will fuck for free.[/QUOTE]Can you list few bars to go.

Can you talk more about arrangements in dollers? How this works? You had ppm or allowance? How much you were spending per month on her?

[QUOTE=JoyDrop;6620754]Been there, done that. It's not that uncommon really.

This was the key consideration for me as well.

For context, my marriage isn't terrible, in fact by most standards it's perfectly OK. We get along very well and never fight. But my wife doesn't give me the attention or affection I want and need, and over time she got tired of me encouraging her to do so and I got tired of asking. So eventually I decided I would look elsewhere and Seeking is where I wound up. I have had my fair share of "normal" SB experiences over the years, but my main goal has always been to find a younger woman that wanted a dating relationship with an older man, was comfortable doing so discreetly, and wasn't looking for any direct financial compensation.

My first dip in the pool started when I was 38, she was 21. Everything was going really well, but about a year in she started making noise about leaving my wife and settling down with her. I had young kids at home so that was NEVER going to happen. That relationship ended poorly when I told her I wouldn't leave, although she came back around a couple of years later after she got married and we stay in touch pretty regularly now.

I did absolutely learn a lot in that experience and used those lessons to change my approach to the next relationship. Girlfriend #2 was 21, I was 41. I let her know up front on our very first date that I was never, ever going to leave my wife for her. She was 100% good with that, she told me she wouldn't want to date a married man who would ever be open to leaving. So having established those ground rules up front, we were always open and honest with each other about where we stood, and I made it a point to check in occasionally to make sure she was keeping our relationship in a healthy place (that is, not getting too attached). I made her promise she would tell me when she felt like it was time for her to move on to the next phase in her life. We saw each other exclusively for 4+ years and had an amazing time together. We got extremely close, and in all honesty it was the best relationship of my life. She was a keeper. In another life we would have been great together. But that wasn't in the cards for either of us. That one ended 5 years ago, she's very happily married now and doing great. We still have dinner every year on the anniversary of our first date. She's very special to me, I'm sure we'll always be close.

Fast forward a few years and now I'm now involved with my third girlfriend. This time I was 48 and she was 25 when it started. Again, same approach as the last one. I was very transparent about what I wanted and what the rules were. I don't know how I found this girl but damn she's a unicorn of the highest order. I'm just going to leave it at that. We've been seeing each other for two years. She's an incredibly smart, beautiful trophy girlfriend that any guy here would objectively rate a solid 9. She's smart and capable, very career focused and on her way to being successful in her own right. We have a great relationship and always enjoy our time together. The best part is her sexual appetite. It's incredible. She can't get enough and isn't shy about letting me know. She makes the drive to see me as often as I'll let her. All I have to do is tell her when I want my pussy (her words) and she delivers with unbridled enthusiasm. It's a pretty sweet situation. We both provide the fulfillment that the other is looking for, and we're both extremely happy with our relationship. But we both keep everything in perspective as we both know there is never going to be a happily ever after in our future. And we're both good with that.

So that's all to say that it is absolutely possible to have deep, meaningful relationships with the younger women you meet on Seeking. Those relationships can be very rewarding and fill that void in your life that is not being satisfied by your SO. But it's important to keep in mind that a part-time clandestine relationship is not a REAL relationship. You're only seeing your girl occasionally, when you do there's a heavier emphasis on sex. That's not real life. You're getting the all the best parts of the relationship without having to deal with any of the bad. Never say never, but my best advice is to enjoy the girlfriend for what she is. A part time diversion. If you're considering leaving your wife, take some time away from the girlfriend to focus on the marriage and decide if a divorce is REALLY what you want. Absent any influence from that young hot piece of ass that's got you all sorts of sideways.

Your circumstances are a little unusual in that you're both married, but the broad strokes are the same. I'm happy to talk to you about your situation if you think you would benefit. Just drop me a PM.

JD.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jpga1983;6621324]Yes, we've all definitely heard of tinder, where only the top 5% of men get matches and are successful. Textbook economics dicatates that if women can earn $400 PPM for fucking, why on earth would they fuck for free?[/QUOTE]Top 5% is 100% correct and you better not be just in the top 6%. See famous image attached.

[QUOTE=BrownSugaTwo;6622024]LonelyBaby.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/449ab474-88d4-4e43-adfa-b5a163508686[/URL]

PiscesPrincess.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/c2561814-a2a6-45d0-b313-1fd4ea368fde[/URL]

Aria Rose.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/090cfaf7-904f-4750-af83-44aa74904ff1[/URL]

Amethyst_dream.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/0f0952ff-49c7-403c-8ff2-8483a4dcc19d[/URL]

Hottie02.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/49e045ed-0d92-472a-a8a2-8d3a8a5bb767[/URL][/QUOTE]I want to say lonely baby has been reviewed. She might have had couple of profiles too.

I just subscribed for seeking! Any thoughts on the new format? It sucks. I liked the old format much easier to read profiles.

Seeking.

Secret benefits.

Sugar daddy.

Which site is best? In terms of costs and more legitimate girls.

On Amex go to your profile and change first and last name to just initials, address you have shipping & billing. You can change billing to not reveal your identity, billing is the main address for purchases.

If you still can't make changes call Amex customer service and say I want to pay for few services like charity and I would like to stay anonymous and ask them to make changes for you over phone.

[QUOTE=Genome;6621545]Seeking & SDM sites recently became more of scam sites, I am not talking about members. When you are a free member you won't have any issues but once you are a paid member to communicate with members the problem starts. These sites literally steal your money and they suspend you after they get your money.

For no reason, they suspend your accounts anytime due to automatic triggers that happen on the site on a regular basis and all your money will be gone. They clearly state there are no refunds.

I personally don't recommend using gift cards while getting a membership.

If you want to upgrade your membership only use Amex credit card. Some members want be anonymous and with amex you can use an alias name and can change the address. You can do dispute and block merchant with full refund in case seeking or SDM sites act up.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AdmirerSecret;6622064]Can you talk more about arrangements in dollers? How this works? You had ppm or allowance? How much you were spending per month on her?[/QUOTE]I am generally aware that he doesn't provide any regular $ to his SBs. The guy's got game. I don't think too many people could operate on his model.

[QUOTE=AdmirerSecret;6622055]Can you list few bars to go.[/QUOTE]I've had luck at Good 'Ole Days in Cumming. If you don't mind redneck and / or trashy women, you can do well. It depends on how high your standards are. Unfortunately, mine aren't what they used to be.

Johnny's Hideway in Buckhead has the meat market reputation. I've talked to some women there, but never left with any.

Being married makes it tough to use the bar approach to getting laid.

[QUOTE=AdmirerSecret;6622064]Can you talk more about arrangements in dollers? How this works? You had ppm or allowance? How much you were spending per month on her?[/QUOTE]As FarFarAway said, I didn't have a PPM or any sort of financial arrangement with these women; I didn't give them money to see me. That doesn't mean it was free, because as the old saying goes, there's no such thing as free pussy. That is absolutely true. Every transaction is a trade between two counterparties that have something the other wants, right? So what does a girl on Seeking want? Either she wants money or she wants something that she thinks is more valuable than money.

In my case, I specifically sought out self-described "good girls" that weren't comfortable with any sort of pay-to-play arrangement. These girls have typically signed up for Seeking because they (a) are tired of dating immature young guys, (b) are naturally attracted to older men and (c) like the idea of a successful man providing for them in a traditional way, but don't want to link it specifically to a quid pro quo for having sex. But again, it's never free. I didn't pay with cash, but I certainly paid with lots of time & attention. But that's exactly what I was willing to give. I wanted a girlfriend out of the deal and that's what I got. I'm in the minority though. Most guys on Seeking want a no strings attached fuck buddy and there's nothing wrong with that. There are plenty of women available on the site who are looking for the same thing and happy to give it to you for a small nominal fee.

Going back to the concept of free pussy. Let's do the quick math on girlfriend #2. We lived two hours apart and saw each other every week, almost always for an overnight. Every week that was $150 for the hotel, $50 for dinner (at least) and $50 for gas. Multiply that by 50 weeks a year for 4 years and all that "free" pussy only cost me $50 k. I added it up once and in reality I spent closer to 75 k on her over that period of time, but there were lots of incidentals and I took her on several vacations including a trip to Paris at the end of our relationship to celebrate our time together. Was it worth it? Hell yes it was worth it. I had a super hot 20-something in her sexual prime enthusiastically fucking my brains out every week. I'd do it again in a heartbeat, and as a matter of fact I already am LOL. My current gf is an absolute goddess and treats me better than any woman I've ever been with. We've been together close to 2 years and I know that this is the peak experience for me. I can't imagine I'll ever be in a better situation than what I've got now. So I'm just going to live in the moment and enjoy this ride as long as it lasts. Again, I know my approach isn't for everyone, but the bowl can be a very rewarding / fulfilling experience if that's what you're looking for.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/befabcb6-2cb1-4bd2-9dc7-4d4b09356b55[/URL]

I was chatting with this one and she seemed legit. Said she had to fly out to Vegas to take care of some things and that we would meet upon her return. Upon returning, she informs me that her apartment was broken into and they took all her important stuff. She was waiting on the cops to arrive, mentioned she didn't feel safe there and that she would be staying at a friend's house. She should've left it at that. She proceeds to send me a picture her apartment door that was broken into. A quick Google search and the very 1st image that popped up revealed the same picture she sent of an apartment door broken into back in 2019. I didn't call her out on it. I just ignored her. Just wanting to see if the same shady sob story is being shared with others.

[URL]https://www.sugardaddymeet.com/userProfile?userId=72053869[/URL]

Chatted with this one for a couple of weeks and we made plans to get together. She isn't mobile but checked all the boxes: pierced tongue, cute face, nice body. I used dayuse and got a nice hotel, $120 for 4 hours (cudos to the gentlemen that mentioned dayuse on here). I took full advantage and first hooked up with a girl named Ni as a warm up. She's been reviewed on here before and I was able to squeeze in a BBBJ and cfs for 100 prior to hooking up with Nina.

We had already agreed to skip the m / g and just head to the room. Upon picking up Nina, she mentions at least getting some drinks to break the ice. She initially wanted 300 for some fun but I told her 250 was my max. She agreed, we had drinks (which cut into the cash I had for fun later). We get to the room and I informed her I got 180, the rest will be cash apped when we're done. She goes on to give me a full lecture on how I'm not prepared and that I should've mentioned something earlier. At this point I'm ready to kick her out, I start putting my shoes back on, ready to drop her back off. She changes her mind and says we can proceed with the deed but at this point I could tell she had already checked out mentally and it would probably show in the session. She tells me money upfront then says everything is covered once I surrendered my coins.

I get comfortable and lay on my back then she tells me "Oh no! You're going to have to do some work. " Not wanting drama, I stand up and she attempts to apply the cover on my limp noodle while looking away like a point guard pulling off a no look pass. A half hearted hand job gets my soldier half way up. The cover goes on then she gets on her back and does something I've never had a girl do before. Fold her arms and look the other way. I've had girls get on all fours and put their chin in a palm. Like hurry up and finish but never had one fold her arms like a security guard at a night club entrance. Anyhow, I tried to encourage the little head to hang in there and not lose wood. I reminded him to just get it over with and we won't repeat. She refused cg, turned down doggie so I just took my time in mish until she suggested doggie if I would finish faster. I blew in the cover in doggie but stayed in as long as I could. Did she get her balance later? Yes. Will I repeat? No.

[QUOTE=Genome;6621545]Seeking & SDM sites recently became more of scam sites, I am not talking about members. When you are a free member you won't have any issues but once you are a paid member to communicate with members the problem starts. These sites literally steal your money and they suspend you after they get your money.

For no reason, they suspend your accounts anytime due to automatic triggers that happen on the site on a regular basis and all your money will be gone. They clearly state there are no refunds.

I personally don't recommend using gift cards while getting a membership.

If you want to upgrade your membership only use Amex credit card. Some members want be anonymous and with amex you can use an alias name and can change the address. You can do dispute and block merchant with full refund in case seeking or SDM sites act up.[/QUOTE]I would caution readers about this post. This is not the experience of most people, and the poster has a short track record. I would also suggest he hasn't done a lot of reading on this site about operational security. Opsec. There is a great collection of pointers on the sugar thread for Richmond, VA.

Everyone IK who is concerned about their privacy and not being linked back to the site, either by hacks, or by their SO, is using prepaid debit cards. There is a long history of posts about what works on the seeking site, I have contributed a lot of that info.

I would never never never give any personal information to the seeking site, including real photos of myself. The risks are too great for someone w / a professional career and a SO.

How do you convince or convey your message of below type of girl you are looking for? I tried a lot. Even I took them to restaurants and end of the day they need ppm $300 to $750. My bio also clearly says the same like " I am looking for a friend, companion. " But every girl I did chat on secret benefits asks for ppm or allowance.

Are you damn handsome or something? How do you say I am your provider and will take care of you? When I did even for dinner girls are asking ppm. I don't have load of money, got some budget and even ready to go out for trips. They need each day $300 allowances.

How do you find this kind of girl and what do you do to convince not for ppm?

[QUOTE=JoyDrop;6622454]As FarFarAway said, I didn't have a PPM or any sort of financial arrangement with these women; I didn't give them money to see me. That doesn't mean it was free, because as the old saying goes, there's no such thing as free pussy. That is absolutely true. Every transaction is a trade between two counterparties that have something the other wants, right? So what does a girl on Seeking want? Either she wants money or she wants something that she thinks is more valuable than money.

In my case, I specifically sought out self-described "good girls" that weren't comfortable with any sort of pay-to-play arrangement. These girls have typically signed up for Seeking because they (a) are tired of dating immature young guys, (b) are naturally attracted to older men and (c) like the idea of a successful man providing for them in a traditional way, but don't want to link it specifically to a quid pro quo for having sex. But again, it's never free. I didn't pay with cash, but I certainly paid with lots of time & attention. But that's exactly what I was willing to give. I wanted a girlfriend out of the deal and that's what I got. I'm in the minority though. Most guys on Seeking want a no strings attached fuck buddy and there's nothing wrong with that. There are plenty of women available on the site who are looking for the same thing and happy to give it to you for a small nominal fee.

Going back to the concept of free pussy.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AdmirerSecret;6623481]

Are you damn handsome or something? How do you say I am your provider and will take care of you? When I did even for dinner girls are asking ppm. I don't have load of money, got some budget and even ready to go out for trips. They need each day $300 allowances.

[/QUOTE]You need to read between the lines, bro.

JD has already mentioned he "provided a lot of incidentals". Even mentioned a trip to Paris for a chick.

If you are providing an all-expenses paid vacation for a chick, the smart ones aren't going to be too concerned with PPM.

It's really all about presentation and expectations. If you really trying to be on that JD level, set you expectations and work on your presentation. But if you don't have the resources to back it up, it's not going to be as simple to accomplish what he does. Also not likely to work if the person doesn't buy what your selling. If a chick can size you up at dinner that you're going to be the PPM guy, then you will be the PPM guy.

He spent $1000 per month (50 k for 4 years) I am spending more than that. My budget is also high. Foreign trip damn easy. Instead of my whole family (10 k) tickets just take that chick, by telling business trip to everyone and cancel yearly my foreign trips. My point is such girls exists less or we never find them. But he is a magic man.

[QUOTE=Wleakr;6623527]You need to read between the lines, bro.

JD has already mentioned he "provided a lot of incidentals". Even mentioned a trip to Paris for a chick.

If you are providing an all-expenses paid vacation for a chick, the smart ones aren't going to be too concerned with PPM.

It's really all about presentation and expectations. If you really trying to be on that JD level, set you expectations and work on your presentation. But if you don't have the resources to back it up, it's not going to be as simple to accomplish what he does. Also not likely to work if the person doesn't buy what your selling. If a chick can size you up at dinner that you're going to be the PPM guy, then you will be the PPM guy.[/QUOTE]

Anyone have girls that they've met and fucked on Seeking. I have a couple I've done and would love to trade. Looking for white, Latina or Asian.

[QUOTE=AdmirerSecret;6623676]He spent $1000 per month (50 k for 4 years) I am spending more than that. My budget is also high. Foreign trip damn easy. Instead of my whole family (10 k) tickets just take that chick, by telling business trip to everyone and cancel yearly my foreign trips. My point is such girls exists less or we never find them. But he is a magic man.[/QUOTE]That's the wrong line of thinking. JD is not a magic man or doing anything "special". The women are definitely there for the taking.

Is your goal to truly "sugar"? Have you gone through the Richmond sugar thread? If you've read through all that and still can't get what you're seeking, you have to work on what you can control on your end (presentation).

If your budget is high, as you state, the gates should be wide open. Location is no object. You can either fly to wherever they are or fly them to you. You actually have access to MORE women than the average user of sugar baby websites!

[QUOTE=Wleakr;6624242]That's the wrong line of thinking. JD is not a magic man or doing anything "special". The women are definitely there for the taking.

If your budget is high, as you state, the gates should be wide open. Location is no object. You can either fly to wherever they are or fly them to you. You actually have access to MORE women than the average user of sugar baby websites![/QUOTE]You really oversimplify this. I don't think many can do what he does. I have seen very very few people on here who can. It not only is about what the SBs go for, it is what he can get away with vis-a-vis the SO. I could never do for girls what he can because of surveillance from the warden. And another point, he is 20 years my junior. There are a few girls who are really kinky about the age gap, a lot more who are just fine with whatever age, and many who really don't want to bang granpa.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6624290]You really oversimplify this. I don't think many can do what he does. I have seen very very few people on here who can. [/QUOTE]Yes, I am simplifying a bit. But to be fair, you have seen few on here do it because most on here are not looking for that.

The majority of the posts are PPM. Guys looking to get their rocks off, ideally with a chick that is low volume and not a pro escort. And for the ones with babies worth keeping, they are not posting them until they are completely done with them (or they never post them at all).

Do you know (and I'm sure you do) there are guys who have pretty hot, attractive, sexy long term side pieces and they don't pay a dime, other than dick. I'm not talking about "oh, we don't talk money, I just make sure she has what she needs and she reciprocates in taking care of my needs". No, actual attractive women getting nothing but dick and, in some cases, the dude is actually get money or some other material item from her!

Everybody plays the game in their own way, and I'm not judging. As long as you're good with the situation, is all that matters.

But for Admirer Secret, correct me if I'm wrong, this guy can't get off "Step 1". We're not even into the "how to hide this from my SO stage" or anything else.

We're talking just getting the type of fish he wants to jump in the boat. That shouldn't be an issue for a person with financial resources, even taking age in consideration, if the presentation is right. The issue should be you have so many to choose from that you spend too much time weeding through the noise.

One of the things you will always notice, regardless of the thread, strip clubs, escorts, sugar babies, etc, there are always guys that seem to get what they seek and then there are the other guys wondering how those guys are getting what they seek.

It is not magic. It is simple.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/b539c3bf-4216-4c1f-9c88-6aaeebb01369[/URL]

She needs to advertise somewhere else, wants $300 for 30 and $500/ hr GTFOH then there are the No's on her list. Kissing, fingers, daty, anal yeah take that crap back to Texas and try selling it.

[QUOTE=Wleakr;6624741]Yes, I am simplifying a bit. But to be fair, you have seen few on here do it because most on here are not looking for that.

The majority of the posts are PPM. Guys looking to get their rocks off, ideally with a chick that is low volume and not a pro escort. And for the ones with babies worth keeping, they are not posting them until they are completely done with them (or they never post them at all).

Do you know (and I'm sure you do) there are guys who have pretty hot, attractive, sexy long term side pieces and they don't pay a dime, other than dick. I'm not talking about "oh, we don't talk money, I just make sure she has what she needs and she reciprocates in taking care of my needs". No, actual attractive women getting nothing but dick and, in some cases, the dude is actually get money or some other material item from her!

Everybody plays the game in their own way, and I'm not judging. As long as you're good with the situation, is all that matters.

But for Admirer Secret, correct me if I'm wrong, this guy can't get off "Step 1". We're not even into the "how to hide this from my SO stage" or anything else.

We're talking just getting the type of fish he wants to jump in the boat. That shouldn't be an issue for a person with financial resources, even taking age in consideration, if the presentation is right. The issue should be you have so many to choose from that you spend too much time weeding through the noise.

One of the things you will always notice, regardless of the thread, strip clubs, escorts, sugar babies, etc, there are always guys that seem to get what they seek and then there are the other guys wondering how those guys are getting what they seek.

It is not magic. It is simple.[/QUOTE]You are not wrong. But do we need a forum for "How to get laid" ? It's not hard, and if you're flashing money it gets even easier. If you can't talk a girl out of her panties with 100 dollar bills, there's no amount of words in this forum that can help. And forget about hiding it from an SO, women can and WILL smell another woman on you if you are not extremely diligent.

There are always guys that seem to get what they seek and then there are the other guys wondering how those guys are getting what they seek.

Today I met a chick, she is completely broken, no place to live, she don't look like anything in photos. She is young (28). 5/10.

She don't have a job at the moment and seeking for long term sugar daddy. So I am not going to proceed further I think. She asked me to uber to restaurants.

I found a nice restaurant because of her. .

Guys keep trying something will work out. Its all time and presentations and vibe. Sometimes luck.

Damage: 1's.

[QUOTE=Wleakr;6624741]Yes, I am simplifying a bit. But to be fair, you have seen few on here do it because most on here are not looking for that.

The majority of the posts are PPM. Guys looking to get their rocks off, ideally with a chick that is low volume and not a pro escort. And for the ones with babies worth keeping, they are not posting them until they are completely done with them (or they never post them at all).

Do you know (and I'm sure you do) there are guys who have pretty hot, attractive, sexy long term side pieces and they don't pay a dime, other than dick. I'm not talking about "oh, we don't talk money, I just make sure she has what she needs and she reciprocates in taking care of my needs". No, actual attractive women getting nothing but dick and, in some cases, the dude is actually get money or some other material item from her!

Everybody plays the game in their own way, and I'm not judging. As long as you're good with the situation, is all that matters.

But for Admirer Secret, correct me if I'm wrong, this guy can't get off "Step 1". We're not even into the "how to hide this from my SO stage" or anything else.[/QUOTE]

She is asking for $3000 and she can come down to $2500 ppm. Sorry I don't proceed. I am not Elon musk.

JD show your charms now. Bend this girl. She is damn hot.

[URL]https://www.secretbenefits.com/next/profile/722b48c1786b900a[/URL]

[QUOTE=PeterPan;6622099]I just subscribed for seeking! Any thoughts on the new format? It sucks. I liked the old format much easier to read profiles.[/QUOTE]If you're referring to searching on the app version, I noticed that mine now defaults to huge profiles that you can scroll through one at a time, with the option of scrolling through the available pics of each girl without opening up their entire profile. All you have to do to see a bunch of profiles at once is click the grid-looking icon in the top right corner.

[QUOTE=JoyDrop;6622454]As FarFarAway said, I didn't have a PPM or any sort of financial arrangement with these women; I didn't give them money to see me. That doesn't mean it was free, because as the old saying goes, there's no such thing as free pussy. That is absolutely true. Every transaction is a trade between two counterparties that have something the other wants, right? So what does a girl on Seeking want? Either she wants money or she wants something that she thinks is more valuable than money.

In my case, I specifically sought out self-described "good girls" that weren't comfortable with any sort of pay-to-play arrangement. These girls have typically signed up for Seeking because they (a) are tired of dating immature young guys, (b) are naturally attracted to older men and (c) like the idea of a successful man providing for them in a traditional way, but don't want to link it specifically to a quid pro quo for having sex. But again, it's never free. I didn't pay with cash, but I certainly paid with lots of time & attention. But that's exactly what I was willing to give. I wanted a girlfriend out of the deal and that's what I got. I'm in the minority though. Most guys on Seeking want a no strings attached fuck buddy and there's nothing wrong with that. There are plenty of women available on the site who are looking for the same thing and happy to give it to you for a small nominal fee.

Going back to the concept of free pussy. Let's do the quick math on girlfriend #2. We lived two hours apart and saw each other every week, almost always for an overnight. Every week that was $150 for the hotel, $50 for dinner (at least) and $50 for gas. Multiply that by 50 weeks a year for 4 years and all that "free" pussy only cost me $50 k. I added it up once and in reality I spent closer to 75 k on her over that period of time, but there were lots of incidentals and I took her on several vacations including a trip to Paris at the end of our relationship to celebrate our time together. Was it worth it? Hell yes it was worth it. I had a super hot 20-something in her sexual prime enthusiastically fucking my brains out every week. I'd do it again in a heartbeat, and as a matter of fact I already am LOL. My current gf is an absolute goddess and treats me better than any woman I've ever been with. We've been together close to 2 years and I know that this is the peak experience for me. I can't imagine I'll ever be in a better situation than what I've got now. So I'm just going to live in the moment and enjoy this ride as long as it lasts. Again, I know my approach isn't for everyone, but the bowl can be a very rewarding / fulfilling experience if that's what you're looking for.[/QUOTE]Joy Drop.

When they ask you what type of arrangement that you are looking for what do you tell them?

Is it I'm want a girl friend?

I can't see that going over too good.

But seriously I was wondering what you say.

[QUOTE=AdmirerSecret;6625158]She is asking for $3000 and she can come down to $2500 ppm. Sorry I don't proceed. I am not Elon musk.

JD show your charms now. Bend this girl. She is damn hot.

[URL]https://www.secretbenefits.com/next/profile/722b48c1786b900a[/URL][/QUOTE]Why the hell would JoyDrop waste his time on this when he already has a perfect unicorn SB that fucks his brains out whenever he wants LOL.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6621556]And, 'personal problem'? Are you implying I am some homely dork who can't get women? You have no possible way to know something like that, it's just flaming, which isn't really supposed to be part of this blog. If you want to know about my SBs, ask another poster, JoyDrop, a friend who has seen all my SBs.[/QUOTE]He speaks the truth. FFA has been consistently nailing some extremely attractive women over the years I've known him.

Her profile seems to be no longer active.

[QUOTE=Airmantroy;6624747][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/b539c3bf-4216-4c1f-9c88-6aaeebb01369[/URL]

She needs to advertise somewhere else, wants $300 for 30 and $500/ hr GTFOH then there are the No's on her list. Kissing, fingers, daty, anal yeah take that crap back to Texas and try selling it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wleakr]
You need to read between the lines, bro.
JD has already mentioned he "provided a lot of incidentals". Even mentioned a trip to Paris for a chick.
If you are providing an all-expenses paid vacation for a chick, the smart ones aren't going to be too concerned with PPM.[/QUOTE]To be fair, it took her 4 years to earn that trip LOL. But to your main point, I think you'd be surprised. I do well enough but I'm certainly not "rich" by the typical measure. I'm fortunate enough to own a small business and that provides certain freedoms and opportunities that are very advantageous for a guy who is seeing someone on the side. But the spending isn't extravagant. For example, since you mentioned the Paris trip, it wasn't like I had her meet me on the tarmac at PDK and whisked her away in my G650. I had a business meeting in Belgium that gave me a legitimate reason (and excuse) to be there. We flew coach on Delta and she couldn't care less. She was just happy to be going to Europe for the first time. I spent about $3 K out of pocket taking her along. I wouldn't do that for a random SB I was banging for a few months, but this girl had been exclusive to me for 4 years and we were tight. We had a blast and made lots of great memories. That's what it's all about for me.

[QUOTE=Wleakr]Do you know (and I'm sure you do) there are guys who have pretty hot, attractive, sexy long term side pieces and they don't pay a dime, other than dick. I'm not talking about "oh, we don't talk money, I just make sure she has what she needs and she reciprocates in taking care of my needs". No, actual attractive women getting nothing but dick and, in some cases, the dude is actually get money or some other material item from her![/QUOTE]In my case, I don't pay a dime in cash. I don't buy my girl anything of consequence outside of the usual birthday and Christmas gifts. But make no mistake, I do pay. I pay with time and attention. I put in a lot of effort up front to get her on the hook, then I go out of my way to make sure her needs are met as we go forward. It's not that perfect no-strings-attached unlimited pussy situation we all want, but in my case, I don't mind a few small strings here and there. Some guys fuck a girl a few times and throw her back into the sea, ready to move on to the next. There's nothing wrong with that. For my part I enjoy the connection. I crave the genuine enthusiasm and DESIRE that you get when a girl is really truly into you and WANTS to fuck you senseless. Maybe that cost me the time it took to help her get in position for that first big job she wanted, or land a big promotion she could previously only dream about. Maybe I taught her how to invest and set her on the path to financial freedom. Those types of things do require a significant investment of time, and that's that's definitely not for everyone. But the dividends have been well worth it for me.

[QUOTE=AdmirerSecret;6623481]How do you convince or convey your message of below type of girl you are looking for?
How do you find this kind of girl and what do you do to convince not for ppm?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JohnnyKash]When they ask you what type of arrangement that you are looking for what do you tell them?
Is it I'm want a girl friend?
I can't see that going over too good.
But seriously I was wondering what you say.[/QUOTE]I'll start by revisiting what Wleakr and Airmantroy previously:

[QUOTE=Wleakr]
It's really all about presentation and expectations. If you really trying to be on that JD level, set you expectations and work on your presentation. But if you don't have the resources to back it up, it's not going to be as simple to accomplish what he does. Also not likely to work if the person doesn't buy what your selling. If a chick can size you up at dinner that you're going to be the PPM guy, then you will be the PPM guy.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Airmantroy]
But do we need a forum for "How to get laid" ? It's not hard, and if you're flashing money it gets even easier. If you can't talk a girl out of her panties with 100 dollar bills, there's no amount of words in this forum that can help.[/QUOTE]Both of these guys are exactly right. It really is all about how you present and carry yourself. You've got to have a plan, you've got to have game. We can't help you get laid. If you're new to the bowl, or perhaps you haven't had a lot of success with women in general, you really need to invest the effort and put in the time to figure out the presentation part first. Then you can starting working on how to shape the interactions you have with these women so they are more likely to lead to the outcome you want.

That said, I don't mind posting an outline of my approach, but it will have to wait as I am out of time for today.

JD.

[QUOTE=JoyDrop;6626606] The JD way of life [/QUOTE]Even before you provided the additional context, I had a decent understanding of your relations and techniques. Hopefully, my posts did not provide the impression I was being critical. They were actually not geared toward you and only mention you because Admirer Secret is using you as the "guide" for how to proceed for himself.

I'm pretty sure she earned that trip and made it worth your while! LOL!