"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

[QUOTE=CarmelFight;6610384]This girl messaged me on Telegram, apparently she was a SB I talked to awhile back don't know her S / and cause she must have blocked me she's not in my inbox anymore.[/QUOTE]I get a bunch of these, probably gave my number to a fake profile and it gets added to a bunch of lists. There are browser addons to do reverse image searching that I use, and other sites that have been listed here before.

If it isn't someone you remember, it's likely a scam. I go and mess with them, waste their time, at some point there will be a demand of money via electronic services (cashapp, venmo, zelle) and they always want a screenshot of it, which to me is just proof they're a scammer. I make fake confirmation screenshots and send it to them, let them chase it down and find it wasn't real but that takes more and more of their time.

But in most cases, just block anyone you don't actually remember or can't find in your inbox. It's a scam.

[QUOTE=CarmelFight;6610384]This girl messaged me on Telegram, apparently she was a SB I talked to awhile back don't know her S / and cause she must have blocked me she's not in my inbox anymore.[/QUOTE]From what I could find this profile have been removed from other social media platforms multiple times. Clean sign of a scammer. The most recent FB profile was created last year in San Diego. Hopes this helps.

[QUOTE=Phil86;6608934]All the pics are taken in India. If you see the background carefully you can see that none of them are taken in USA. Just a scammer in India.[/QUOTE]I might agree looking her up there is a Alpharetta woman matching her profile. So my guess is its someone who knows her or she testing waters.

[QUOTE=MariettaJoe;6610612]I get a bunch of these, probably gave my number to a fake profile and it gets added to a bunch of lists. There are browser addons to do reverse image searching that I use, and other sites that have been listed here before.

If it isn't someone you remember, it's likely a scam. I go and mess with them, waste their time, at some point there will be a demand of money via electronic services (cashapp, venmo, zelle) and they always want a screenshot of it, which to me is just proof they're a scammer. I make fake confirmation screenshots and send it to them, let them chase it down and find it wasn't real but that takes more and more of their time.

But in most cases, just block anyone you don't actually remember or can't find in your inbox. It's a scam.[/QUOTE]Thanks guys, yeah I couldn't remember I'm pretty sure is was on seeking but I don't have her messages anymore she probably blocked me.

[QUOTE=Gavin1112;6610499]She is done with the business, why does this guy keep asking?

She has been involved with someone for over a year and not even in the Metro area anymore.[/QUOTE]Idk, I've actually met her BF he's pretty chill he does mobile detailing and does a pretty good job.

[QUOTE=CarmelFight;6611331]Idk, I've actually met her BF he's pretty chill he does mobile detailing and does a pretty good job.[/QUOTE]Now that can be a good combo business -- get your car cleaned outside, and your pipes cleaned in the meantime!

Anyone seen her before?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/c553fb2b-8426-4acd-941c-fa7bb9352c1e[/URL]

[QUOTE=CarmelFight;6610384]This girl messaged me on Telegram, apparently she was a SB I talked to awhile back don't know her S / and cause she must have blocked me she's not in my inbox anymore.[/QUOTE]These scammers could have picked someone a little less know.

[URL]Katiebanks.com[/URL]

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/0e51ae79-455a-41a6-a081-06a1920f1cfa[/URL]

Cute girl who is DTF. Stays in Marietta area, but we met at my hotel elsewhere. Big tits. I enjoyed putting her on her back and just sliding my dick in between those big tits of hers inbetween her deep-throating me.

She's pretty submissive and did just about everything I could think of.

Met this one last week and had a fun time. She's a bbw MILF that's really into massage and pleasing her man.

Cute face and huge rack, met her at a restaurant in Norcross for a drink and then went to her place for a hot sensual massage and everything bare.

No anal but sucked me to completion and had an intense orgasm of her own.

Gave 250 for the session.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/86df3295-f7e1-4cd4-b310-03d6d369f694[/URL]

I am sure she enjoyed herself.

[QUOTE=ReffingMan94;6613087]Met this one last week and had a fun time. She's a bbw MILF that's really into massage and pleasing her man.

Cute face and huge rack, met her at a restaurant in Norcross for a drink and then went to her place for a hot sensual massage and everything bare.

No anal but sucked me to completion and had an intense orgasm of her own.

Gave 250 for the session.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/86df3295-f7e1-4cd4-b310-03d6d369f694[/URL][/QUOTE]

Hi V. What was the cost?

[QUOTE=Verdit;6612867][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/0e51ae79-455a-41a6-a081-06a1920f1cfa[/URL]

Cute girl who is DTF. Stays in Marietta area, but we met at my hotel elsewhere. Big tits. I enjoyed putting her on her back and just sliding my dick in between those big tits of hers inbetween her deep-throating me.

She's pretty submissive and did just about everything I could think of.[/QUOTE]

I fucked a couple of white chicks from Seeking and are DTF. If anyone has similar for trades, feel free to DM me.

[QUOTE=Kingjack543;6613312]I fucked a couple of white chicks from Seeking and are DTF. If anyone has similar for trades, feel free to DM me.[/QUOTE]How do you bring up PPM in a respectful way without offending them?

[QUOTE=JohnnyKash;6613551]How do you bring up PPM in a respectful way without offending them?[/QUOTE]To be honest. They usually will. I usually stick to doing it in person and just a simple drink or a hike to chat. Loosen them up and make them feel comfortable. Work the charm. Make them laugh. It goes far. Don't treat them like a P4 P provider. Play it like dating with extra. Then it should go well. .

[QUOTE=MajMilkDuds;6613571]To be honest. They usually will. I usually stick to doing it in person and just a simple drink or a hike to chat. Loosen them up and make them feel comfortable. Work the charm. Make them laugh. It goes far. Don't treat them like a P4 P provider. Play it like dating with extra. Then it should go well. .[/QUOTE]Thanks, I really needed that tip.

[QUOTE=MajMilkDuds;6613571]To be honest. They usually will. I usually stick to doing it in person and just a simple drink or a hike to chat. Loosen them up and make them feel comfortable. Work the charm. Make them laugh. It goes far. Don't treat them like a P4 P provider. Play it like dating with extra. Then it should go well. .[/QUOTE]This is exactly what I say, after a general convo about how I am not a freak and I am 100% safe, but that they wouldn't shock me, because I had my fun when I was divorced in my 30's.

"We'll get together privately, and we'll both have an excellent time, and in addition you will receive a gift. What are your needs?" Face to face, I believe their ask will be less than it would be behind a screen. People hate to be rejected, so she will go lower than if you were texting her. You will often get in response a question about what you have done before. I hate this. But going low can't hurt, she is asking. I don't think too much haggling is likely to lead to a happy ongoing relationship, but if you only want to hit and quit it, you can get to yes at a price point that will be agreeable.

I also ask the girl to get a hotel room for us and promise reimbursement of that cost in addition to allowance.

[QUOTE=Kingjack543;6613312]I fucked a couple of white chicks from Seeking and are DTF. If anyone has similar for trades, feel free to DM me.[/QUOTE]And to avoid the "rules" of the site, do your best to discuss "allowance on each visit" or words to that effect. I try and discuss it via text as often as possible.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/7db9050a-f7fa-4870-aaf8-bfb772f11ba5[/URL]

See seemed like a nice girl who was DTF. But just was we were about to meet she flaked out.

Which is odd, because she had already given me her address and directions to her apt.

She's been on the site for almost 2 years, so she's not a newbie.

Oh well, cute girl tho.

[QUOTE=Airmantroy;6613793]And to avoid the "rules" of the site, do your best to discuss "allowance on each visit" or words to that effect. I try and discuss it via text as often as possible.[/QUOTE]Good tip.

Don't discuss anything related to money or even numbers on the site. Once hey bring it up or once they say they're interested in an arrangement, ask for their phone number so you can take it to text.

[QUOTE=Verdit;6613922][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/7db9050a-f7fa-4870-aaf8-bfb772f11ba5[/URL]

See seemed like a nice girl who was DTF. But just was we were about to meet she flaked out.

Which is odd, because she had already given me her address and directions to her apt.

She's been on the site for almost 2 years, so she's not a newbie.

Oh well, cute girl tho.[/QUOTE]Some accounts have been open for five-plus years does this mean they are a professional FWB girl / woman?

[QUOTE=JohnnyKash;6614044]Some accounts have been open for five-plus years does this mean they are a professional FWB girl / woman?[/QUOTE]Not necessarily, some just want attention. Others are scammers who are working the long con by making you think they've been on a while. If she's been on more than 6 months she damn well knows what the game is, don't let them tell you they haven't met anyone. It's probably BS. You can read back thru the forum and see who's been discussed in the last 6 months. If they are still active, there is a good start. Nobody here has a dick big enough to stretch out a pussy.

I know girls who have old accounts, but some of them date men two or three years and then they come back on and get the same account again. I met a girl once she fell in love with me, but she did not love our money. She said it was not enough for her. She had been on SA for four years when I met her. She finally found the double digit millionaire that she wanted married him and had kids. But one thing I can get that anytime I want it but I don't want it anymore. We still each other on WhatsApp.

[QUOTE=JohnnyKash;6614044]Some accounts have been open for five-plus years does this mean they are a professional FWB girl / woman?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JohnnyKash;6613551]How do you bring up PPM in a respectful way without offending them?[/QUOTE]The overwhelming majority of them are just there for the $$ so why would it offend them?

[QUOTE=PeterJohnson;6614172]The overwhelming majority of them are just there for the $$ so why would it offend them?[/QUOTE]In they bio they say I'm not a **** so don't ask me about a PPM.

[QUOTE=Verdit;6576800]Sometimes I'll chat with a girl on SA who checks all the boxes, but her ask amount for PPM is too high for what I'm willing to pay.

Normally, I'll just politely decline without a counter. However, a couple of times that I have countered the girl gets offended that I'm not willing to pay the amount she wants.

So what have been SUCCESSFUL negotiation tactics you've used to get a girl down from a high dollar amount to something you're comfortable with paying?[/QUOTE]I ask for her hhr donation. Often, 500 becomes 300.400 becomes 250.

[QUOTE=JohnnyKash;6614234]In they bio they say I'm not a **** so don't ask me about a PPM.[/QUOTE]So that's a different kind of girl. She's letting you know she's more interested in a traditional sugar arrangement, almost certainly looking for big $ and long term. If you're new to the sugar bowl and just looking for some no-obligation fun, that's not the type of girl you want to start with.

Since you have said you new to this, you'll want to do a lot of reading, particular in the FAQ in the Richmond sugar thread. Everything you could ever want to know is captured over the last few years in that thread or this one. The vast majority of the girls on SA are real civilian women who would never think of themselves as sex workers. They are regular girls who are usually spending beyond their means so they decide it wouldn't be a big deal to get paid to go on nice dates and give up something they're used to giving away to the losers they date for free anyway. You need to understand that mindset. If you're talking to a girl who's clearly down for PPM, then you don't need to beat around the Bush and all this goes out the window. On the other hand if you're talking to a girl that is looking for a more traditional arrangement, one that would never ever consider herself a prostitute in the usual sense, then you need to approach her like it's a dating situation and woo her. It takes game and it takes effort. And when it's all said and done, it still comes down to money. The trick with this type of girl is to pay her for what you want without ever making her *feel* like you're paying her for what you want.

Any info on this SA chick?

[QUOTE=Wolfish1;6614335]Any info on this SA chick?[/QUOTE]Check reviews under the name college babe.

[QUOTE=JoyDrop;6614326]So that's a different kind of girl. She's letting you know she's more interested in a traditional sugar arrangement, almost certainly looking for big $ and long term. If you're new to the sugar bowl and just looking for some no-obligation fun, that's not the type of girl you want to start with.

Since you have said you new to this, you'll want to do a lot of reading, particular in the FAQ in the Richmond sugar thread. Everything you could ever want to know is captured over the last few years in that thread or this one. The vast majority of the girls on SA are real civilian women who would never think of themselves as sex workers. They are regular girls who are usually spending beyond their means so they decide it wouldn't be a big deal to get paid to go on nice dates and give up something they're used to giving away to the losers they date for free anyway. You need to understand that mindset. If you're talking to a girl who's clearly down for PPM, then you don't need to beat around the Bush and all this goes out the window. On the other hand if you're talking to a girl that is looking for a more traditional arrangement, one that would never ever consider herself a prostitute in the usual sense, then you need to approach her like it's a dating situation and woo her. It takes game and it takes effort. And when it's all said and done, it still comes down to money. The trick with this type of girl is to pay her for what you want without ever making her *feel* like you're paying her for what you want.[/QUOTE]So it is the delivery of the ask and how they get the money and how they are treated. That's cool but they still giving up A $$ for cash.

Truth be told I'm overwhelmed by my blank page with no pics and the only words I have are I'm new to this. This page is getting my inbox full like I'm David Beckham. Honestly trying to choose is very hard its no way I can gun all of these ladies down. But it is fun thinking about trying it makes me feel like I'm 18 again.

[QUOTE=JohnnyKash;6614234]In they bio they say I'm not a **** so don't ask me about a PPM.[/QUOTE]ROFL, I've only met a couple of girls like that out of the 100 so girls I've met on SA.

Are there any visa or other gift cards that will work to buy credits from Secret Benefits? There is a woman there, who I know from past experience is real, who I want to message. I tried my usual Visa gift card approach (visa gift card from big office chain which is registered online) that I use for Seeking at Secret Benefits roughly a year ago and it didn't work.

[QUOTE=JohnnyKash;6614870]So it is the delivery of the ask and how they get the money and how they are treated. That's cool but they still giving up A $$ for cash.

Truth be told I'm overwhelmed by my blank page with no pics and the only words I have are I'm new to this. This page is getting my inbox full like I'm David Beckham. Honestly trying to choose is very hard its no way I can gun all of these ladies down. But it is fun thinking about trying it makes me feel like I'm 18 again.[/QUOTE]Thinking with the little head will cost you money and leave you highly disillusioned.

A lot of them will move to text and if you ask them what type of arrangement they are looking for they volunteer PPM. Never mention a time limit qv, hhr, hr. Your goal is as long as you want or until she gets dressed. I have a long term girl who I can stay an hour, or overnight and she's happy to go as many times as I want.

What is your type? Thin, thick, bbw, caucasian, asian, AA? 18-30 or 30+ ?

[QUOTE=Airmantroy;6614885]Thinking with the little head will cost you money and leave you highly disillusioned.

A lot of them will move to text and if you ask them what type of arrangement they are looking for they volunteer PPM. Never mention a time limit qv, hhr, hr. Your goal is as long as you want or until she gets dressed. I have a long term girl who I can stay an hour, or overnight and she's happy to go as many times as I want.

What is your type? Thin, thick, bbw, caucasian, asian, AA? 18-30 or 30+ ?[/QUOTE]I go for the 28+ there are a few younger ones that I like I like and that I might go for but I like them Thick or the thin thick ones I don't care about race but I seem to like the Latains, Persains and AA the most.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/b059f58b-ec6d-4117-993f-a0a210f69739[/URL]

Pro on eros at 500/ hr. Going to lowball her at 300 and cross my fingers LOL.

[QUOTE=Airmantroy;6614930][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/b059f58b-ec6d-4117-993f-a0a210f69739[/URL]

Pro on eros at 500/ hr. Going to lowball her at 300 and cross my fingers LOL.[/QUOTE]She will take it.

[QUOTE=Raheem;6614313]I ask for her hhr donation. Often, 500 becomes 300.400 becomes 250.[/QUOTE]Never...ever...EVER talk time or hour rates with an SB. That shit's for escorts. The ONLY thing I'll mention when it comes to time is when I'm setting expectations for what I'm looking for, something like "I want to meet once a week or so for a few hours of fun". If you're seeing a SB for a hhr or ASKING for hhr and agreed to it, you're talking to a working girl who just uses SA as a higher end listcrawler / backpage / Eros. Which is fine, but 90% of the "real" SBs on the site do not want to feel like an escort, and talking about half hour or hour rates is a sure fire way to miss on a real GFE opportunity and ONLY have success with the escorts who work the site. Maybe that's your goal, but I actively try to avoid anyone on the site who gives escort vibes.

[QUOTE=Wolfish1;6614335]Any info on this SA chick?[/QUOTE]I met her once, $300 ppm 420 friendly. Mish, cowgirl, she got into it with the moans. She just turned 21 if I remember correctly. Nothing too special, just a good time.

[QUOTE=NewAnonymousName;6614882]Are there any visa or other gift cards that will work to buy credits from Secret Benefits? There is a woman there, who I know from past experience is real, who I want to message. I tried my usual Visa gift card approach (visa gift card from big office chain which is registered online) that I use for Seeking at Secret Benefits roughly a year ago and it didn't work.[/QUOTE]Save your money. SB is now basically a scam site.

Well I met this hot lady older like 35+ for lunch.

She was heavy into religion so that really had me thinking about does she know what we should be talking about.

She told me about her Condo and that the roof collapsed.

She told me that she moved in with her cousin and now she was moving out because they didn't get along.

She told me about her businesses that were failing and she needed backing and pitched some ideas to me.

She told me about her living situation and how if it didn't improve soon she would be moving out of state.

This hour lunch lasted for 3 hours and I didn't say much but was thinking I can't wait to get out of here.

When I paid the bill and get ready to leave she ask me can I give her a ride.

Now on top of all this she doesn't have a car.

So I give her a ride to her hotel and I'm thinking this is not this one this one needs more than money, she needs a support system and a bailout.

But as I look at her she is fine and I do want to smash but this one seems like too much trouble than its worth. I going to meet another one but if it is this bad I going to stick with regular women this is the worst situation that I have seen in 20+ years.