[QUOTE=TheOldMan;4171278]Yeah, but without audio (supposing) how do they prove the tip was for sexual favors, not the massage?
THEOLDMAN.[/QUOTE]That's an excellent question.
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[QUOTE=TheOldMan;4171278]Yeah, but without audio (supposing) how do they prove the tip was for sexual favors, not the massage?
THEOLDMAN.[/QUOTE]That's an excellent question.
[QUOTE=RayM2004;4172368]Does anyone know if LEO has cameras in all the spas? Or did they simply stake outside and wait for the Johns to leave and bust them afterwards?[/QUOTE]Apparently the cameras were in place only a day or two before the recording started. But still seem like the owner / workers would find it after 5 days.
[QUOTE=DonCon;4172274]I read motion to suppress video. Seems cops affidavit said warrant for human trafficking activity needed. Johns attorney arguing that video evidence was not contemplated for trafficking as it only captured solicitation. Other warrants have been found too broad for similar reasons. This panty raid may soon be over. Especially since no human trafficking charges on level stated by sheriff has materialized 😂.[/QUOTE]The video warrant was based on finding that girls lived there (dressers, medicines, etc.) and a suspicion that they were being trafficked. Not sure what additional evidence the video was to provide. Maybe the girls being beaten or chained to the building? It must be hard to prove trafficking, so going after everyone for prostitution, solicitation, etc. Must be an indirect way.
So initially, it was reported that 25 were charged with trafficking, but I just read another story that says only the owner has been charged as such. The BIG evidence is that they saw her transporting women with luggage to and from the spa. I don't see how any jury convicts her based on a fridge with a couple of bagged lunches, condiments and water in it, plus luggage. They made it sound like they had tracked these women from NYC. They've got nothing. I suspect they only decided to move at all because they caught a big fish that would assure national headlines. I'd love to those charged go on the offensive and just screw that department over big time if that's all they've gotten. Put a scare into other LEos that file false trafficking charges.
[QUOTE=Noob2017;4173599]So initially, it was reported that 25 were charged with trafficking, but I just read another story that says only the owner has been charged as such. The BIG evidence is that they saw her transporting women with luggage to and from the spa. I don't see how any jury convicts her based on a fridge with a couple of bagged lunches, condiments and water in it, plus luggage. They made it sound like they had tracked these women from NYC. They've got nothing. I suspect they only decided to move at all because they caught a big fish that would assure national headlines. I'd love to those charged go on the offensive and just screw that department over big time if that's all they've gotten. Put a scare into other LEos that file false trafficking charges.[/QUOTE]Maybe Kraft talked about services and prices (which I doubt) but if there no audio they can't prove what he said, if he even said anything at all.
I have been a few times to such places and I never talked amounts and often they didn't speak rather they tried to understand what I was interested in. One did a funny pantomime pointing to her mouth, her pussy, and moving her hand. Nobody mentioned money, surely not I.
It's amazing that Jupiter PD wastes its time on such nonsense; there was a carjacking a year or two ago and I don't think that has been solved.
Gentlemen, we know that the pay for play game is a victimless crime and certainly wish that our laws were different so we could enjoy our hobby without fear of being charged with a crime.
And I can appreciate that members of this forum want to believe that the men who were charged with soliciting prostitution will somehow be found not guilty. But the fact remains that they were positively identified on tape as paying for a massage in the front room and receiving sexual services in the form of a hand job or a blow job in another room.
There were 5 hidden cameras installed in the Orchids of Asia MP. Jupiter police received a warrants from a judge to install the cams because of interviews they conducted of numerous men who had just left the spa in which they admitted to receiving sexual favors for money. These multiple interviews established probable cause that prostitution was present.
The warrant request also mentioned that 'possible sexual / human trafficking' was present due to a health inspector's report of women living there. The owners may or may not be convicted of these trafficking violations following interviews of the female workers.
However, the johns that were charged and those that will be charged have little or no choice but to plead out their guilt and move on. Poor Mr. Kraft, who is charged withe TWO counts based on visits on 1/19 and 1/20 is definite toast and has zero chance of being found not guilty of solicitation.
The arrest / notice to appear and the probable cause affidavit can be viewed as a FREE PUBLIC VIEWING OF CASE INFORMATION & DOCUMENTS on the website of the Clerk and Controller of Palm Beach County...
Now that Robert Kraft has pleaded not guilty, I hope the other Brookline billionaire follows suit. Mr. Kraft very likely will be found innocent due to how evidence was collected and due process related to traffic stop. All other individuals involved should ride on their coat-tails to also having cases thrown out.
Then we can ask "where are the real traffickers?
[QUOTE=CarlSpackler;4173902]Gentlemen, we know that the pay for play game is a victimless crime and certainly wish that our laws were different so we could enjoy our hobby without fear of being charged with a crime.
And I can appreciate that members of this forum want to believe that the men who were charged with soliciting prostitution will somehow be found not guilty. But the fact remains that they were positively identified on tape as paying for a massage in the front room and receiving sexual services in the form of a hand job or a blow job in another room.
There were 5 hidden cameras installed in the Orchids of Asia MP. Jupiter police received a warrants from a judge to install the cams because of interviews they conducted of numerous men who had just left the spa in which they admitted to receiving sexual favors for money. These multiple interviews established probable cause that prostitution was present...[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=CarlSpackler;4173902]Gentlemen, we know that the pay for play game is a victimless crime and certainly wish that our laws were different so we could enjoy our hobby without fear of being charged with a crime.
And I can appreciate that members of this forum want to believe that the men who were charged with soliciting prostitution will somehow be found not guilty. But the fact remains that they were positively identified on tape as paying for a massage in the front room and receiving sexual services in the form of a hand job or a blow job in another room.
There were 5 hidden cameras installed in the Orchids of Asia MP. Jupiter police received a warrants from a judge to install the cams because of interviews they conducted of numerous men who had just left the spa in which they admitted to receiving sexual favors for money. These multiple interviews established probable cause that prostitution was present.
The warrant request also mentioned that 'possible sexual / human trafficking' was present due to a health inspector's report of women living there. The owners may or may not be convicted of these trafficking violations following interviews of the female workers.
However, the johns that were charged and those that will be charged have little or no choice but to plead out their guilt and move on. Poor Mr. Kraft, who is charged withe TWO counts based on visits on 1/19 and 1/20 is definite toast and has zero chance of being found not guilty of solicitation.
The arrest / notice to appear and the probable cause affidavit can be viewed as a FREE PUBLIC VIEWING OF CASE INFORMATION & DOCUMENTS on the website of the Clerk and Controller of Palm Beach County...[/QUOTE]Is orchids one of a few in Jupiter?. We're reading about things that ALLEGEDLY happen up and down 41 between (N Ft Myers and South Naples. I'm sure this is doing wonders for those businesses.
I would love to wager you are wrong. "Poor Mr. Kraft, who is charged withe TWO counts based on visits on 1/19 and 1/20 is definite toast and has zero chance of being found not guilty of solicitation" Being a New Englander, I know Kraft will prevail. A big part of this is due to the hatred for his team.
[QUOTE=RayLatoole;4174820]Is orchids one of a few in Jupiter?. We're reading about things that ALLEGEDLY happen up and down 41 between (N Ft Myers and South Naples. I'm sure this is doing wonders for those businesses.[/QUOTE]
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No, I'm tired of amateur lawyers cross examining each other over this one small case.
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No, I'm tired of amateur lawyers cross examining each other over this one small case.
Agreed!
Martin County has already stated they wrongfully charged one of the Johns & released his name. Apparently wrong Porsche as they put it. The news said another in PBC is wrongfully accused but the Sherriff didn't release his name yet. Krafts charges will not stick and I think the sheriffs departments in both counties don't like where they are at after 2 weeks. They bragged about human sex trafficking and got the one minute of national notoriety and at the end of the day. Nada, zip, zilch. Unfortunately because of this sting a lot of guys personal & professional lives are damaged.
Hopefully this is over and the guys all do a class action law suit but I'm sure they just want it over with.
It sounds like it all started in Martin County and only went into PBC because the spa owners they were after also owned the one in Jupiter.
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Had a nice dream with Rosa couple of times over the past three weeks, figured I might get a deal since most the guys were probably in hiding. Nope no deal. Awesome body, big butt and a big set of boobs; I think the multiple visits helped me out, she said it's been slow since the big event. Upsale for a look at those coconuts, worth the extra fee; didn't ask about any other extras, scared to hear the price, the dream ended with her hands wrapped around my dick, nice dream; I've had a worse massage, but overall it was OK. Time to get back out there, remember to check for cameras.
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Had a nice dream with Rosa couple of times over the past three weeks, figured I might get a deal since most the guys were probably in hiding. Nope no deal. Awesome body, big butt and a big set of boobs; I think the multiple visits helped me out, she said it's been slow since the big event. Upsale for a look at those coconuts, worth the extra fee; didn't ask about any other extras, scared to hear the price, the dream ended with her hands wrapped around my dick, nice dream; I've had a worse massage, but overall it was OK. Time to get back out there, remember to check for cameras.[/QUOTE]Here's my $. 02.
I've seen her 2 times and should have learned my lesson the first time. With her it's upsell, upsell, upsell and with enough Benjamins thrown her way the menu opens up. I did see her for curiosity the first time and decided to not repeat. I got bored a year later to see if she learned anything about the business and unfortunately didn't see anything different. Services were so-so.
Between the times I saw her she seemed to have some surgery to tighten the midsection as there was scarring and she was a bit chubbier before. I guess on the positive side she's a reliable provider and has a safe incall. Something some guys with mugshots would have gladly paid for. But for that kind of coin the field opens up with tons of safe providers that are 100% reviewed and 100% upfront with services.
PBg, I was also hoping with business at a slow point she would have been a little more open with a small request, but again, all three times it was all about the "Upsell". Wish she was as easy as a couple of other girls in the area.
[QUOTE=PbgMonger;4182867]Here's my $. 02.
I've seen her 2 times and should have learned my lesson the first time. With her it's upsell, upsell, upsell and with enough Benjamins thrown her way the menu opens up. I did see her for curiosity the first time and decided to not repeat. I got bored a year later to see if she learned anything about the business and unfortunately didn't see anything different. Services were so-so.
Between the times I saw her she seemed to have some surgery to tighten the midsection as there was scarring and she was a bit chubbier before. I guess on the positive side she's a reliable provider and has a safe incall. Something some guys with mugshots would have gladly paid for. But for that kind of coin the field opens up with tons of safe providers that are 100% reviewed and 100% upfront with services.[/QUOTE]