Tips, Tricks, Arguing, and Bullshit

[QUOTE=JustHereNow;2727008]So I figured this was the right place to post this, if not then I will face the consequences.

I have been doing some thinking, why is it these girls call what we pay them a donation? When I think donation, I think it an amount I give based on what I feel XX is worth. In this case, these girls set their rate and to me that makes it a fee. Does it make them feel better about themselves? Does it make them not feel like a prostitute? Do they feel it makes what they are doing a legal activity because they are not being paid for a service but given a donation for their time? I just thought I would open the door to some discussion.[/QUOTE]It's an attempt to skirt the legality of the situation. A futile one, but also one that has become a time-honored tradition. Sort of along the same lines as the girls believing that if they ask "are you a cop?" that cops aren't allowed to lie and say "no. " Also along the same lines as the disclaimer about the "donation" being just for the time, and not for the act. Any court / cop isn't going to care about that, and if caught they'd still be charged.

[QUOTE=JustHereNow;2727008]So I figured this was the right place to post this, if not then I will face the consequences.

I have been doing some thinking, why is it these girls call what we pay them a donation? When I think donation, I think it an amount I give based on what I feel XX is worth. In this case, these girls set their rate and to me that makes it a fee. Does it make them feel better about themselves? Does it make them not feel like a prostitute? Do they feel it makes what they are doing a legal activity because they are not being paid for a service but given a donation for their time? I just thought I would open the door to some discussion.[/QUOTE]Little surprised that a senior member would need to ask this as opposed to a rookie like me knowing. It's just a euphemism to get around the outright pay issue that risks being accused of solicitation, as was mentioned in the previous response. More to the point, I have little faith that it is any kind of a morale boost attempt to avoid the reality of what they're doing (if it was don't you think there would be some dancers in strip clubs referring to the prices as 'donations' too? It's the same as when a girl doesn't want to refer explicitly to money so they call it "roses" or "diamonds" or whatever. I have seen a few ads that are so horrifying frankly I think some of them should be paid in Marlboro points, but I digress.

I have a friend who has escorted and danced for about ten years. She's a solid professional who enjoyed the self control and money while it was good (recession hit her income much like everybody else especially the real estate guys who were her biggest spenders). Except for the young newbies and some of the really messed up headcases, the majority of women doing this for any length of time aren't really trying to hide it from themselves that badly to use a term as a way to avoid the truth. It's their business and this is one of the given minor techniques / elements of etiquette to how it's done, that's all.

Been out of the loop for awhile. Looking for opinions and discussion here. Who's the best $100 deal on Backpage today?

[QUOTE=Mic349;2738701]Been out of the loop for awhile. Looking for opinions and discussion here. Who's the best $100 deal on Backpage today?[/QUOTE]Would love to know this too.

Does anyone use a cheap hotel room and then bring in outcall girls? To me this would seem safer than going around to shady incall locations and risking arrest / robbery. Any thoughts?

If anyone does this, any tips for:

- where to get a cheap room (daily, weekly, monthly rates).

- how to book and pay for the room discreetly (ie no credit cards; cash only).

- anything else I might not be considering?

[QUOTE=YounGoneForFun;2748612][URL]http://backpage.com.columbus.listcrawler.com/post/11570887/[/URL]#.

Asked for real time pic to see if face could be overlooked due to banging body. Sent attached pic. Obviously not compliant with real time request therefore I passed. Please share if worth it. Body looks on point if legit.

[/QUOTE]YGFF.

I know many here will think I'm a white knight based on this post, but I feel this point is worth making. I have read many of your posts complaining about "non-compliance" in sending face pics. And many of them go so far as to say that's a reason to not see the girl. But then I've also seen you publicly post to the internet pictures girls have sent to you, without the girls permission. Have you ever considered this is the very reason many girls won't send face pictures?

The internet is a public place, and this is a much smaller world than many people think. It's quite possible a picture you post could be seen by someone who knows a girl's family and tell them, and this could ruin a young girls life. And if you're not concerned about the girl, think of other hobbyists; you causing a girl problems like this could cause a great provider to leave the business.

I understand wanting to see face pics as I will usually not see a girl without face pics either. But it should their decision whether to post them publicly or not.

Your posts remind me of the old story about two bulls sitting on top of a hill watching a herd of cows. The young bull says "let's run down there and fuck one of those cows. " Then the old bull says "no, let's WALK down there and fuck them all!

I really do appreciate the information you share. But a little friendly advice, sometimes a slighty less aggressive approach will yield superior results.

(A2, I hope you don't see this post as argumentative as that is not my intention. And if you feel it better belongs in the "tips, tricks arguing and bullshit" forum, I agree, but I just don't know how to quote YGFF's post over there.).

Bob said he didn't know how to do this. Here's how, Serava thanks for loaning me your post for the PDA. My comments about it are in keeping with the thread, not my actual thoughts about your post.

So some guy posts something and you just can't fucking help yourself, you have to be douchey. You know if you do it on the review thread you will catch a flag but your turrets is making you crazy, you HAVE to say something, what to do, what to do?

No problem, just click quote like you normally would, Serava posted this on the SW thread (I added a * to break the tag so you could see it, you should not do that. You click reply with quote as you always do and the box with his quote comes up. You need to highlight and copy the whole thing including the tags [*url] and [ / url] again that * is there to break the tag so you can see it.

Then navigate to the thread you want to put it in. Click add report. The box you compose reports in comes up and you paste what you had copied from the other window (like below) Then add your commentary.

[*QUOTE=Serava;2748726]Totally agree. She looks like a member of the H Club. [/QUOTE].

Serava you wouldn't know a member of the H Club if she was swinging from your dick.

Simple as that.

If you don't break the tag it will look like this

[QUOTE=Serava;2748726]Totally agree. She looks like a member of the H Club.[/QUOTE]Serava you wouldn't know a member of the H Club if she was swinging from your dick

A2.

[QUOTE=BobSacamano71;2748709]YGFF.

I know many here will think I'm a white knight based on this post, but I feel this point is worth making. I have read many of your posts complaining about "non-compliance" in sending face pics. And many of them go so far as to say that's a reason to not see the girl. But then I've also seen you publicly post to the internet pictures girls have sent to you, without the girls permission. Have you ever considered this is the very reason many girls won't send face pictures?

The internet is a public place, and this is a much smaller world than many people think. It's quite possible a picture you post could be seen by someone who knows a girl's family and tell them, and this could ruin a young girls life. And if you're not concerned about the girl, think of other hobbyists; you causing a girl problems like this could cause a great provider to leave the business.

I understand wanting to see face pics as I will usually not see a girl without face pics either. But it should their decision whether to post them publicly or not.

Your posts remind me of the old story about two bulls sitting on top of a hill watching a herd of cows. The young bull says "let's run down there and fuck one of those cows. " Then the old bull says "no, let's WALK down there and fuck them all!

I really do appreciate the information you share. But a little friendly advice, sometimes a slighty less aggressive approach will yield superior results.

(A2, I hope you don't see this post as argumentative as that is not my intention. And if you feel it better belongs in the "tips, tricks arguing and bullshit" forum, I agree, but I just don't know how to quote YGFF's post over there.).[/QUOTE]I see it as saving the time of my fellow mongers. If the provider is non compliant we know she's a PITA. Any provider that complies does supply me with permission as I do always inquire prior to posting the pix. If you will notice I even edit pix for those that request anonymity due to their other life.

If I don't meet them I share to then I will be sharing their information on this forum in hopes of leading them to you if they strike your fancy since they didn't mine.

I will run down & fuck all the cows I can. I'm blessed with terrific stamina & staying power. I appreciate the opinion as always. I believe there's an old saying about those as well.

As always Stay safe brethren.

[QUOTE=BobSacamano71;2748709]YGFF.

I know many here will think I'm a white knight based on this post, but I feel this point is worth making. I have read many of your posts complaining about "non-compliance" in sending face pics. And many of them go so far as to say that's a reason to not see the girl. But then I've also seen you publicly post to the internet pictures girls have sent to you, without the girls permission. Have you ever considered this is the very reason many girls won't send face pictures?

The internet is a public place, and this is a much smaller world than many people think. It's quite possible a picture you post could be seen by someone who knows a girl's family and tell them, and this could ruin a young girls life. And if you're not concerned about the girl, think of other hobbyists; you causing a girl problems like this could cause a great provider to leave the business.

I understand wanting to see face pics as I will usually not see a girl without face pics either. But it should their decision whether to post them publicly or not.

Your posts remind me of the old story about two bulls sitting on top of a hill watching a herd of cows. The young bull says "let's run down there and fuck one of those cows. " Then the old bull says "no, let's WALK down there and fuck them all!

I really do appreciate the information you share. But a little friendly advice, sometimes a slighty less aggressive approach will yield superior results.

(A2, I hope you don't see this post as argumentative as that is not my intention. And if you feel it better belongs in the "tips, tricks arguing and bullshit" forum, I agree, but I just don't know how to quote YGFF's post over there.).[/QUOTE]It is the provider's prerogative to send pics and the monger's prerogative to decide not to see a girl without them. Neither party should have a problem with that. It's funny though, I have found that most legit providers will send face pics if face pics are not used in their ad. I have also found that almost all providers who I have identified as using fake pics through google image, then asked to send pics, don't send them.

Your right, this is a place where everyone can give their own opinion and they are just that. Opinions, subjective, neither right or wrong.

However when you quote someone and disagree with specifics you are no longer giving your opinion on a provider. You are giving your opinion on a users opinion of a provider. Had you just gave your opinion on Jessica rather than quote me and pick apart my opinion then I would have never responded to you. Am I defensive, sort of, as I feel you discounted my opinion and I just felt a need to elaborate on why my opinion was the way it was. However, I'm not mad about it. I don't have any distain for you. I just felt if you are going to critique my opinions then I was obligated to defend my position.

In the future you should follow your own advise by giving your own opinions on a provider without quoting others and cirquing their opinions. That way, as you say, we will all have our own opinions posted and readers can choose for themselves.

But again, no hate intended. I just want it to be clear you quoted me and nit picked my opinion rather than just stating your own opinions. So don't turn around and tell me everyone is entitled to have their own opinions. Practice what your preaching.

After reading many of the postings on here talking about "donations" or prices being either low, high or too high, I have come to the following conclusion. All of these so called "providers" are much better marketers than most mongors are negotiators. If you are truly honest with yourself, there is no BJ or FS in this world that is worthy of a donation that is equal to a day's pay after taxes for most working men. Especially when it is only for an hour of THEIR time max! What stupid creatures we are. It's no wonder that they call us TRICKS and laugh at us. If everybody gets together and takes a "pussy holiday" and refrains from "donating" to any of these providers at all until they get more realistic about what their "mouth" or "vagina" is truly worth, they will be dropping their donations drastically. You see, they have "pharmacy bills" to pay and other bills to pay. They need us and our money MUCH MORE than we need their bullshit "gold plated" attitudes. This also holds true with the AMPs. Just a thought for everyone to consider.

[QUOTE=Digger47;2756553]After reading many of the postings on here talking about "donations" or prices being either low, high or too high, I have come to the following conclusion. All of these so called "providers" are much better marketers than most mongors are negotiators. If you are truly honest with yourself, there is no BJ or FS in this world that is worthy of a donation that is equal to a day's pay after taxes for most working men. Especially when it is only for an hour of THEIR time max! What stupid creatures we are. It's no wonder that they call us TRICKS and laugh at us. If everybody gets together and takes a "pussy holiday" and refrains from "donating" to any of these providers at all until they get more realistic about what their "mouth" or "vagina" is truly worth, they will be dropping their donations drastically. You see, they have "pharmacy bills" to pay and other bills to pay. They need us and our money MUCH MORE than we need their bullshit "gold plated" attitudes. This also holds true with the AMPs. Just a thought for everyone to consider.[/QUOTE]You are so right! There is no sex providers worth what we pay, and ultimately we are straight up "TRICKS".

I looked at 100 consecutive, unduplicated, local BP ads and found the following breakdown:

Caucasian Providers – 57% (percentage of US population-63%.

AA Providers – 45% (percentage of US population-13%.

Asian Providers – 8% (percentage of US population-6%.

Hispanic Providers – 1% (percentage of US population -17%.

[QUOTE=Josh88;2760107]I looked at 100 consecutive, unduplicated, local BP ads and found the following breakdown:

Caucasian Providers 57% (percentage of US population-63%.

AA Providers 45% (percentage of US population-13%.

Asian Providers 8% (percentage of US population-6%.

Hispanic Providers 1% (percentage of US population -17%.[/QUOTE]It does seem to be useless; the individual percentages total more than 100%. Are you classifying multi-ethnic providers in more than one category?

About the only thing I took from your data is that there's probably a lot more female providers than one would think that are operating locally.