"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Grizzly383;3301392]Me: (My first letter, I didn't ask for rate or anything in this.).

Her: That sounds good. My rate is $$ pv. But we can meet and see if we have chemistry. (woop we got a pro here folks).

Me: So I don't do anything more than $$. 5. If you are still interested lets meet to see if we have chemistry.

Her: (suggested a place and time).

Me: that sounds good!

Her: I do ask to be compensated for my time (Smh).

Me: I usually compensate of the gas which 20 -30.

Her: I have always gotten minimum of $. (In my head I am like I have done a lot more for $. 5 LOL).

Me: Sorry to offend you but I can't do that. Best of luck.

(profile blocked).

I just want to say thank you to all you guys. Without this forum I would have gladly paid the $ just to have a coffee with her. Any comments on how I handled this, I am newbie for I'd appreciate it.

Also is SD4 M worth paying? Are the profiles real or fake? I am in ATL.[/QUOTE]She said her rate was 500 pv.

New England, mid-sized town here. Anyone else having low ratio of girls in their market?

I've had moderate success over the past year but last few months it's getting tougher and tougher.

It's what you'd expect with a bounty of potential SD: lower level of response, lots of flaking, they have a take or leave it attitude.

I went so far to look at premium SD's in my area and there are easily more of them than SB's.

Is this just my corner of the world or are others seeing this also?

[QUOTE=SugarDaddyX;3302274]I did a paid membership on SD4 M during the month of November 2016 and found it not to be worth it. Alot of the profiles were fake. Here is the summary I wrote up:

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?9746-quot-Sugarbabies-quot-quot-Arrangements-quot-Amateurs-or-Not&p=3174163&viewfull=1#post3174163.[/URL][/QUOTE]I can second what SDX said. Totally useless site.

I am not from RVA but a couple hrs away. Just been reading the SB info and would like to move in that direction.

Thanks for input from the veterans! I just have to pony up for membership! Thinking of SA and Tinder.

If anybody needs info on Lynchburg, hit me up. AMPs here, but not much else! Cheers!

[QUOTE=SugarDaddyX;3302274]I did a paid membership on SD4 M during the month of November 2016 and found it not to be worth it. Alot of the profiles were fake. Here is the summary I wrote up:

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?9746-quot-Sugarbabies-quot-quot-Arrangements-quot-Amateurs-or-Not&p=3174163&viewfull=1#post3174163.[/URL][/QUOTE]I concur. I did a test one month. As I recall, of all the contact messages I sent, only 80% were read. Spot testing those profiles show they never logged back in after being created. Of the ones that were read, only half viewed me. Only about 3-4 actually messaged me. They all wanted to switch to email or text right away. None ever got to a MnG. A huge portion of the profiles are straight copies from profiles on SA and usually appear on SD4 Me a few days after they appear on SA. I assume the writers on SD4 Me are making their work easier by just doing a copy-paste from new profiles on SA. It might work some where but I have yet to read of anyone having any success there.

Bam.

[QUOTE=JZLizard;3298704]I would interpret that as: "I'd rather you lead this aspect of the discussion, because I'm not comfortable taking the lead".

In other words I wouldn't assume "open to anything" means anything in the sense that you might hope it means.[/QUOTE]Thanks. POT asked for place to meet! I asked if POT prefers outside or more indoor. POT said, if weather good then outside if not indoor because of cold. In the conversation she also says surprise me.

Now I am meeting with POT this weekend and for me this will be the best SB. I ever meet. How do I take it? I need to drive about an hour to meet but how to proceed? Should I just say. We can meet for coffee and then head to my room? Or have a dinner and then see where things go? Or ask her. If POT prefers more private / discrete type meet?

Super excited for this POT. And hoping to win this prize.

[QUOTE=BamBam;3302406]I concur. I did a test one month. As I recall, of all the contact messages I sent, only 80% were read. Spot testing those profiles show they never logged back in after being created. Of the ones that were read, only half viewed me. Only about 3-4 actually messaged me. They all wanted to switch to email or text right away. None ever got to a MnG. A huge portion of the profiles are straight copies from profiles on SA and usually appear on SD4 Me a few days after they appear on SA. I assume the writers on SD4 Me are making their work easier by just doing a copy-paste from new profiles on SA. It might work some where but I have yet to read of anyone having any success there.

Bam.[/QUOTE]SD4 ME at one time was what SA is now. I joined it back around 2009 and did fairley well. The only problem with it back then was they beat you to death on the reoccurring membership. Took an act of god to cancel it if you could. Anway today its basically a waist of time. You will find some girls have profiles on both but SA is the go to site for now.

[QUOTE=DCOutlaw;3302263]Recently been talking to Southernclass65. She brings up price first by stating she has a $$ minimum. I explain $$ is my limit (and she expects you to provide Room.) She sticks with her price telling me "my pussy is worth more than that. " Well, at least she was good for a quick laugh. I had another SB lined up as backup anyway so I'll let you guys decide if her pussy is truly golden.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/ec144717-6478-f0f4-37cd-414f37a8d93a[/URL][/QUOTE]Her ask was 500 not 200.

Must be doing something wrong as it sounds like many on here regularly hit gold with this.

I've probably searched 100 or more images, have never had a single hit, always no result. I upload the photo, and that's always the answer. Am I dumb, missing something? How often do you normally get a hit with a photo you pull from one of these sites?

I have started referring to my SB as my daughter when out (restaurants, etc). It's plausible in this case as she is the right age and Caucasian- - it would be less so if she were another ethnicity. If I should happen to be seen by an acquaintance, I can use this and then say (reasonably) that she is a love child my current SO knows nothing about so I'd appreciate their discretion. Practice makes perfect, though - I slipped and said 'girlfriend ... daughter' today.

[QUOTE=DCOutlaw;3303170]Her ask was 500 not 200.[/QUOTE]She is an escort of course-not an SB.

[QUOTE=GeorgeRichmond;3302459]Thanks. POT asked for place to meet! I asked if POT prefers outside or more indoor. POT said, if weather good then outside if not indoor because of cold. In the conversation she also says surprise me.

Now I am meeting with POT this weekend and for me this will be the best SB. I ever meet. How do I take it? I need to drive about an hour to meet but how to proceed? Should I just say. We can meet for coffee and then head to my room? Or have a dinner and then see where things go? Or ask her. If POT prefers more private / discrete type meet?

Super excited for this POT. And hoping to win this prize.[/QUOTE]Have the M&G. Near the end tell her that you are super into her and would like to start the arrangement as soon as possible. Ask her if she feels the same way. If the answer is "yes" say " how about right now? Or if I am being a little forward would you prefer to schedule a later date?" If she agrees to right now then say "we can get a room and spend a few hours together if that is OK with you =-.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3302461]SD4 ME at one time was what SA is now. I joined it back around 2009 and did fairley well. The only problem with it back then was they beat you to death on the reoccurring membership. Took an act of god to cancel it if you could. Anway today its basically a waist of time. You will find some girls have profiles on both but SA is the go to site for now.[/QUOTE]Agreed. My favorite SB came from there, but that was in 2010.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3303214]I have started referring to my SB as my daughter when out (restaurants, etc). It's plausible in this case as she is the right age and Caucasian- - it would be less so if she were another ethnicity. If I should happen to be seen by an acquaintance, I can use this and then say (reasonably) that she is a love child my current SO knows nothing about so I'd appreciate their discretion. Practice makes perfect, though - I slipped and said 'girlfriend ... daughter' today.[/QUOTE]I spent a year with a 21 year old mixed VCU student. When we would go out to eat they would always check her age if she ordered a glass of wine. We had an agreement that if we saw someone we knew out in public that she was the daughter of a friend of mine. Luckily we never saw anyone we knew despite spending a lot of time out in public. It would have started a lot of gossip where I work. She has graduated and moved back home. Lots of great memories.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/fa3c4459-4e8e-461c-9c0a-056be6f072a2[/URL]

I spent quite alot of time texting with this one. Had a M&G and I thought things went great but I didn't have the time at that moment for a trip to the FC. All signs indicated that is what she was down for.

Ended up several days later picking her up from a location north of town when I was headed back from a a little trip. The texting between us gave every indication that we were on the same page. She even said "we can get a room".

So we head back into town, get a room, and she wants to take a shower. Of course I let her. I knew we were going to have to at some point take her to pay a debt owed. Shortly out of the shower, both of us naked on the bed, when she says we need to go pay debt now. I was very hesitant about the whole thing thinking she was going to cash & dash. She convinced me that leaving all her stuff in the room guaranteed that she would come back with me. I asked her, while both naked, to ease my mind and grab hold of Little Man. She did more than that and proceeded with a very nice BBBJ. Reeled me in just enough before she said we need to go meet them now.

Long story short, we went and paid debt and came back to the room. She said she was starving so I had her order a pizza which would be there in 15 minutes. Hey baby, while we are waiting let's go back to the BBBJ. No problem. I stopped her before I blew and she asked why. I said I wanted to wait until we were having sex.

I don't have sex on the first date was her response. Either I read her texts completely wrong, or I just got scammed.

I am thinking I got scammed but I do like this POT. Several other things don't mesh such as no drugs. Oh I used to do opiates and heroin but am clean 5 years now. I don't smoke. Well, I do but only occasionally and vape the rest of the time. I don't drink. Well occasionally I will have a glass of wine.

I am leaning toward saying goodbye but really do like her as a person.

What say, Fellow Daddies?

[QUOTE=FigLeaf;3305093][URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/fa3c4459-4e8e-461c-9c0a-056be6f072a2[/URL]

I spent quite alot of time texting with this one. Had a M&G and I thought things went great but I didn't have the time at that moment for a trip to the FC. All signs indicated that is what she was down for.

Ended up several days later picking her up from a location north of town when I was headed back from a a little trip. The texting between us gave every indication that we were on the same page. She even said "we can get a room".

So we head back into town, get a room, and she wants to take a shower. Of course I let her. I knew we were going to have to at some point take her to pay a debt owed. Shortly out of the shower, both of us naked on the bed, when she says we need to go pay debt now. I was very hesitant about the whole thing thinking she was going to cash & dash. She convinced me that leaving all her stuff in the room guaranteed that she would come back with me. I asked her, while both naked, to ease my mind and grab hold of Little Man. She did more than that and proceeded with a very nice BBBJ. Reeled me in just enough before she said we need to go meet them now.

Long story short, we went and paid debt and came back to the room. She said she was starving so I had her order a pizza which would be there in 15 minutes. Hey baby, while we are waiting let's go back to the BBBJ. No problem. I stopped her before I blew and she asked why. I said I wanted to wait until we were having sex.

I don't have sex on the first date was her response. Either I read her texts completely wrong, or I just got scammed.

I am thinking I got scammed but I do like this POT. Several other things don't mesh such as no drugs. Oh I used to do opiates and heroin but am clean 5 years now. I don't smoke. Well, I do but only occasionally and vape the rest of the time. I don't drink. Well occasionally I will have a glass of wine.

I am leaning toward saying goodbye but really do like her as a person.

What say, Fellow Daddies?[/QUOTE]Run away. Far away. Never look back. Far too many fish in the sea to take a chance with one that has been sitting out on the dock in the sun for a day.

Way too many other better options. The SB scale is more like the real life scale and higher than the streetwalker scale, utr scale or escort scale. A 10 SB is an actual 10 in the real world.

We've all done it as we sharpen our skills in the bowl, but don't waste time with difficult "average" girls. With practice, you should be able to find good looking, easy to deal with sugar babies.

[QUOTE=GuyInTheCorner;3305290]Run away. Far away. Never look back. Far too many fish in the sea to take a chance with one that has been sitting out on the dock in the sun for a day.[/QUOTE]

I keep hearing this song "Guys My Age" on the top 40 stations. The whole song, the female singer is talking about being sick of the young guys her age and wanting an older man to love her. Hmmm, wonder if this mainstreaming of older male-young female relationships will translate into more ladies willing to be sugar babies.

[URL]https://youtu.be/3LzWUAkpNrQ[/URL]

I don't know that frustration with men their age is anything new, but the Internet makes sharing frustrations with younger guys and access to older men easier.

Technology has accelerated the trend!

[QUOTE=SugarDaddyX;3305960]I keep hearing this song "Guys My Age" on the top 40 stations. The whole song, the female singer is talking about being sick of the young guys her age and wanting an older man to love her. Hmmm, wonder if this mainstreaming of older male-young female relationships will translate into more ladies willing to be sugar babies.

[URL]https://youtu.be/3LzWUAkpNrQ[/URL][/QUOTE]

Quick qn and need guidance. Arrangement is set for sugar per meet. Good 2-3 times sugar meets. Now question is if the meet is only for dinner, based on SB request, do you give full sugar, less sugar or no sugar. Confused now about what will be expectation from SB. On sugar level. Also, how do I avoid going on dinner date in public. Which I like to avoid.

[QUOTE=GeorgeRichmond;3307164]Quick qn and need guidance. Arrangement is set for sugar per meet. Good 2-3 times sugar meets. Now question is if the meet is only for dinner, based on SB request, do you give full sugar, less sugar or no sugar. Confused now about what will be expectation from SB. On sugar level. Also, how do I avoid going on dinner date in public. Which I like to avoid.[/QUOTE]GC,

It's all based on the expectation you set early on. Pay for Play vs Pay for Date or even a more casual set up. If you haven't been to the FC after 3 meets then I think she's taking advantage of you. If she's taking care of all your needs and you have great chemistry then you might decide to just cover dinner and perhaps give her a smaller amount. I would tell her why in a roundabout way which doesn't cheapen the relationship but lets her know you're not looking for another casual friend either.

As with dinner, I try to do picnics in parks to be discreet. If dining publicly is needed I meet in the next town over and avoid popular restaurants on busy streets.

Hope this helps.

Safe Journeys,

Vinny.

[QUOTE=GeorgeRichmond;3307164]Quick qn and need guidance. Arrangement is set for sugar per meet. Good 2-3 times sugar meets. Now question is if the meet is only for dinner, based on SB request, do you give full sugar, less sugar or no sugar. Confused now about what will be expectation from SB. On sugar level. Also, how do I avoid going on dinner date in public. Which I like to avoid.[/QUOTE]Simply put, by accepting dinner only, you have agreed to her terms. In her mind, you are paying her to spend time with her. I would bet money that she is going to expect the same amount because it is still a meet in her mind. If you are OK with that, bully for you. Not me. If I meet with a sugar baby after the meet and greet, we both know up front that every time we meet, we are going to the FC.
I would definitely start the bargaining with no sugar and go from there in your situation.

[QUOTE=GeorgeRichmond;3307164]Quick qn and need guidance. Arrangement is set for sugar per meet. Good 2-3 times sugar meets. Now question is if the meet is only for dinner, based on SB request, do you give full sugar, less sugar or no sugar. Confused now about what will be expectation from SB. On sugar level. Also, how do I avoid going on dinner date in public. Which I like to avoid.[/QUOTE]No sugar because paying for her dinner and drink is the sugar. If she expects several hundred bucks to just go on platonic dates, toss her back into the pond and keep fishing.

[QUOTE=FigLeaf;3307338]Simply put, by accepting dinner only, you have agreed to her terms. In her mind, you are paying her to spend time with her. I would bet money that she is going to expect the same amount because it is still a meet in her mind. If you are OK with that, bully for you. Not me. If I meet with a sugar baby after the meet and greet, we both know up front that every time we meet, we are going to the FC.
I would definitely start the bargaining with no sugar and go from there in your situation.[/QUOTE]Well, I will never give sugar for just dinner. This is SB is good but can't waste sugar. ! Thanks for the tips. I hate to lose this SB but no sugar for dinner date for sure.

I don't think there is a problem clarifying your expectations for the first meet vs future dates.

Just clarify that what you have negotiated and agreed to is the terms should both of you agree to pursue an arrangement. The first meet has no expectations (of intimacy or allowance) other than to see if you have a connection and both want to continue. Your treat of course.

The first meet is like a job interview. It's fair to discuss the salary range and expectations of the job prior to the interview, but no one expects to get paid for the interview. Now if you start working the same day, you would expect to get paid for that.

If she has a problem with that, then cut her loose and you have saved yourself future headaches.

[QUOTE=GeorgeRichmond;3307164]Quick qn and need guidance. Arrangement is set for sugar per meet. Good 2-3 times sugar meets. Now question is if the meet is only for dinner, based on SB request, do you give full sugar, less sugar or no sugar. Confused now about what will be expectation from SB. On sugar level. Also, how do I avoid going on dinner date in public. Which I like to avoid.[/QUOTE]

Running into time wasters this cycle. I've been out for 6 months or so but this is a bit ridiculous. Never had so many convos that went to text go nowhere. Hopefully just a streak of bad luck.

So I had a M&G lunch today with a former BP girl now giving it a go as a Sugar Baby. I treated her as any POT as though I did not know her past. Thanks to Facebook, I was able to see what her current situation in life was. Over lunch she was the typical recent college grad working two part time jobs until she found the job she really wanted. Her personal life details matched up to what I had found on FB. Surprisingly she didn't come across as a working girl looking to hook up. In fact I am not so sure if she even liked me as she stayed out of range for the typical thanks for lunch hug goodbye. A pleasant enough m&g but I have had from non utr girls better vibes that more was up for grabs. I do not think I will follow up anymore with her. Talked too much about herself and only asked one question about my life.

I have been out the game for about five years. I decided to give SA a try. I signed up last week, but no luck so far. Any suggestions for me? I was able to verify a few girls on FB by phone #. We start texting, but as soon as I mention meeting up in a public place they vanish or take almost 24 hours to reply. One girl asked for 3 k to 7 k a month right off the bat. I told her there is no way I am doing that of course.

[QUOTE=Demond36;3309150]I have been out the game for about five years. I decided to give SA a try. I signed up last week, but no luck so far. Any suggestions for me? I was able to verify a few girls on FB by phone #. We start texting, but as soon as I mention meeting up in a public place they vanish or take almost 24 hours to reply. One girl asked for 3 k to 7 k a month right off the bat. I told her there is no way I am doing that of course.[/QUOTE]Being an experienced SD (I presume that's what you meant, and not just mongering) and experienced on SA aren't the same thing. It is a numbers game. You can't get discouraged, you will get many people who aren't serious, or who don't know yet they aren't really cut out for it, those who are really pros, etc. Think needle in a haystack. Spend a couple of days reading this thread back a while, and read the highlights thread as well, which has much SA-specific info.

[QUOTE=Xenpar;3308698]Running into time wasters this cycle. I've been out for 6 months or so but this is a bit ridiculous. Never had so many convos that went to text go nowhere. Hopefully just a streak of bad luck.[/QUOTE]Same here. In the past I've been able to set up M&G's with a dozen or so POTs with a one month membership pretty easily, but this time I'm getting a lot of that same thing, where conversations end up going nowhere. Maybe it's something about this time of year. Post-Valentine's bitterness?

I too did a one month membership, made several contacts that went no where, (GPS), but did find a few milfs, that turned up a couple of trips to the FC. Still working on some, but have to be discreet with time and $ so SO doesn't get suspicious.

Have to be in Richmond next week for work and wondered if it would be worth my time to contact this one for a quick FC visit? Tried searching TFF but found nothing under andlove.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/cbf16ea4-610d-4eeb-adbc-b775a244acbe[/URL]

[QUOTE=FigLeaf;3310213]Have to be in Richmond next week for work and wondered if it would be worth my time to contact this one for a quick FC visit? Tried searching TFF but found nothing under andlove.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/cbf16ea4-610d-4eeb-adbc-b775a244acbe[/URL][/QUOTE]I did try a month ago but didn't get reply from her. So didn't followup. Hope you get to connect with her.

Excuse me gentleman for maybe engaging in conversations that I may have no experience. I've been an observer of this forumn from time to time and can't help but think a provider I tend to review often in one of the other forumns would fill the shoes of some of these sugarbabies you guys seek fairly well and easily. Unless the "baby" aspect of the position is defined by age then my suggestion is an automatic disqualification.

Suzee started out on SA. I'm not sure how she became a popular UTR instead. But, at 40 yo, it seems to me that she could wear the hat of a SB easily.

You want pics? She'll send them.

You want reasonable donation agreements? I think she's probaby the best bargain out there.

You want to cut out the bullshit and figure out very early what her terms are or willing to provide? I think you'll know within the first few text messages.

You want damn near anything on the menu? I haven't been told no on anything.

You want a hottie? I don't think anyone can argue that she's one.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3309462]Being an experienced SD (I presume that's what you meant, and not just mongering) and experienced on SA aren't the same thing. It is a numbers game. You can't get discouraged, you will get many people who aren't serious, or who don't know yet they aren't really cut out for it, those who are really pros, etc. Think needle in a haystack. Spend a couple of days reading this thread back a while, and read the highlights thread as well, which has much SA-specific info.[/QUOTE]Yea I'm sticking with it. I found a very beautiful girl who is willing to meet, but she started out asking for $700. I told her $350 she is trying to up it to $450 right now. I know she is legit verified through FB by phone #. I have two other prospects asking for way less.

[QUOTE=Demond36;3309150]I have been out the game for about five years. I decided to give SA a try. I signed up last week, but no luck so far. Any suggestions for me? I was able to verify a few girls on FB by phone #. We start texting, but as soon as I mention meeting up in a public place they vanish or take almost 24 hours to reply. One girl asked for 3 k to 7 k a month right off the bat. I told her there is no way I am doing that of course.[/QUOTE]I have many conversations that go silent at these two junctures: (1) when I ask if they would like to meet up or (2) when I ask them to move the conversation to email or text. At these transitions it is no longer about hiding behind the anonymity of the internet, but putting the arrangement into motion. They are only going to proceed if they are serious. There are a lot of young women on SA who are curious about being a sugar baby, but few are willing to follow through with it. I've been on SA for six years, and it has always been a numbers game.

If you want a better batting average, stay away from the 18-24 crowd; they are known to be flaky. Women with kids are more likely to meet because they have more urgent needs like bills and mouths to feed versus a college coed that wants money for luxury items. Don't waste your time with profiles that talk about spoiling, pampering, Ferraris, exotic vacations, spa days, etc. These girls are looking for a unicorn. Another tip would to look at ladies with average or curvy body type. They do not get barraged with as many messages as the slim and athletic body type girls.

[QUOTE=SugarDaddyX;3310437]I have many conversations that go silent at these two junctures: (1) when I ask if they would like to meet up or (2) when I ask them to move the conversation to email or text. At these transitions it is no longer about hiding behind the anonymity of the internet, but putting the arrangement into motion. They are only going to proceed if they are serious. There are a lot of young women on SA who are curious about being a sugar baby, but few are willing to follow through with it. I've been on SA for six years, and it has always been a numbers game.

If you want a better batting average, stay away from the 18-24 crowd; they are known to be flaky. Women with kids are more likely to meet because they have more urgent needs like bills and mouths to feed versus a college coed that wants money for luxury items. Don't waste your time with profiles that talk about spoiling, pampering, Ferraris, exotic vacations, spa days, etc. These girls are looking for a unicorn. Another tip would to look at ladies with average or curvy body type. They do not get barraged with as many messages as the slim and athletic body type girls.[/QUOTE]Thanks I will try this angle. I have potential with a 19 yr old. I will do meet Friday. A 21 yr old Monday. Most of the girls have fallen into that age range. I have two weeks of membership left so I am going to aim for the 25 and up crowd now. Thanks for the advice.

[QUOTE=FigLeaf;3310213]Have to be in Richmond next week for work and wondered if it would be worth my time to contact this one for a quick FC visit? Tried searching TFF but found nothing under andlove.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/cbf16ea4-610d-4eeb-adbc-b775a244acbe[/URL][/QUOTE]IMHO you should be looking at BP WFM. Sugaring takes many forms but if you want an escort then go on an escort site. There are indeed escorts on SA, but we should try to keep SA more for a low volume "real" SBs who are looking for a longer term relationship. To your point, contact girls in a travel area (say RVA) and explain that you are looking for an SB to see when you are travelling here. You might get a bite. If I know a girl is an escort I will report her to SA.

"I told her $350 she is trying to up it to $450 right now. " Demond 36.

GPS exists everywhere. I sugar all day long for $200 PPM. Unless you are chasing Internet Models 10/10's there is no need to pay that kind of money. It was said earlier. Look for 7's instead of 10's,maybe mixed / ethnic SBs, even heavier girls if you aren't turned off by a few extra Lbs.

[QUOTE=FigLeaf;3310213]Have to be in Richmond next week for work and wondered if it would be worth my time to contact this one for a quick FC visit? Tried searching TFF but found nothing under andlove.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/cbf16ea4-610d-4eeb-adbc-b775a244acbe[/URL][/QUOTE]Leaf,

To me, her pic looks like the typical shot one sees on BP and CL of a pro, semi-pro or UTR. Her text practically screams "I'll fuck you for money, no questions asked," so it shouldn't be a problem if you can get her to respond.

As for On the Road sugaring, I've had fantastic success with contacting SBs ahead of time in any city I'm traveling to and lining up dates and FC visits for every night I'm there. In my experience there are several key things you need to do in order to be successful at this:

1. Don't start contacting them any more or less than two weeks out.

2. Be EXTREMELY polite and a little circumspect about your true intentions. Mention dinner or drinks after work, but only hint that you are comfortable with more intimate activities if she is, with mutual chemistry being paramount.

3. Share your private pics on first contact. It saves time and shows you have nothing to hide.

4. Mention you are an experienced SD. Lets them know you understand the rules.

5. Carpet-bomb your target city. This is a percentage game, and you want to contact anyone who gets the little head going in order to increase your response rate.

6. Let them know that if you hit it off, you will contact them the next time you are in that city. Makes the true amateurs feel less like they are fucking a stranger from out of town on a one-night stand.

I've been in the Bowl for over 6 years, and this approach has never failed me. I was down in New Orleans a few months ago for three nights and had someone new each night, with one of them being a threesome I set up with two babies who both said they were into women as well as men but did not know each other! I got very little sleep that night! Be prepared for the reality that you will get a very low percentage of responses, most likely, but you only need a couple to make the trip fun, right? I've used this technique all across the country, and never sleep alone when out of town on business!

Good luck, and don't forget to write!

Scott.

[QUOTE=Demond36;3310412]Yea I'm sticking with it. I found a very beautiful girl who is willing to meet, but she started out asking for $700. I told her $350 she is trying to up it to $450 right now. I know she is legit verified through FB by phone #. I have two other prospects asking for way less.[/QUOTE]Many people recommend never being first to bring up an in-person meeting w / the really young ones, which could be responsible for them going silent. Yes, that could mean even weeks of messaging w / no prospect of M&G, hard for those of you unused to delayed gratification, and otherwise hitting the girls active on BP. But, that could be the only way to get those rewards.

I've had young ones meet up after significant cultivation, then go silent right after, and again, I think my error was in discussing any specific of an arrangement at that time. If they are low on experience, they need to come to an accommodation of it in their own time if you are going to score. Slow play is the only way. Another reason SBs aren't just hookers, contradicting an assertion of Admin2 on these threads recently.