Non Pro's

[QUOTE=Paradigum;5567466]After several years of searching and exploring some boundaries I'm only willing to share with a professional shrink. I have found the perfect early twenties woman for me. A tall and slender model / actress / foreign air travel angel. Submissive yet constantly yearning for more. Practically impossible to not want to satisfy her when together. Almost sounds like the dream of the SB we all seek? Like a commercial they show SB's and SD's of the ideal as this one I want to keep. I would give her almost anything.

First date was an unplanned meet and greet (talked of full monthly allowance prior but never transitioned that evening) but did provide one given she spent the entire evening with me chatting. Following nights I ended up providing 2 x more than I planned when she stayed overnight. If only not long distance flying to town regularly (a story / front? I'd be a broke bastard already!

Do I think this is going to work out long term? This is as authentic of a early relationship (elation) feeling I have ever had. Setting myself up for failure as this is the first woman that I would say I would consider wrapping up as mine. She's not tainted by all you d1 cks yet as far as I can tell. LOL. I officially deleted my acct. I tried previously to meet 1-2 SB's a week. I've consolidated all funds on this one as top shelf simply does not compare with anything else and I may not see her more than a couple times a month. I am skewing the subreddits if she happens to be on there mentioning her allowance. I do feel guilty about that but she's still a hell of a lot cheaper than my ex wife and watching her abdomen pulsate with me inside her is simply. Given I actually care about her. I could not dream of something I desire more.

I'm setting myself up for failure. (I know).

My fear is that it's nothing but money for her (guy in every town?) and you all have gotten to her and she's just a great actor. Anna Lisa vs Mona Lisa. (Prozzak vs little Wayne). And sadly even if I never saw her again I couldn't say the funds to this point was a waste as I don't ever foresee another coming close to this one on that site (thus the reason for deleting). Ruined the site as I can never return to the number of 'frogs to kiss' to find the princess. Yet also no clue how to find this again if it fails.

Have you guys ever gotten to the point of thinking this is the 'one'? Not yet transitioned to monthly with this one and may talk about monogamy (not something I have asked of my previous monthlies and given long distance its hard / may be the sticky point). Scary as polyamorous has always been my goto for the site.

Being with her is what I want to remember when I'm 80+ on my death bed.[/QUOTE]Paradigum. We all do this to get moments of happiness or escape from the grind. You seem to have your eyes open. Your post has some doubt and scrutiny built into it. All this means you are doing what you do with thought and with your eyes open. Do what brings you pleasure and happiness. God knows we all work too hard and need it especially right now with all the uncertainty around us. Continue to keep your eyes open and evaluate. But enjoy it as long as you can. We all deserve to snatch whatever happiness we can. When we can. Best of luck bro. Keep us in the loop.

[QUOTE=Aafakljgadkg;5565853]Older one took down her profile, then the other one did too. You guys were too aggressive LOL.
I thought the younger one is better. She knows how to work your stick. Remember to give a bit extra when you are pleased. And stop telling them about this forum[/QUOTE]Damn, I was going to rejoin my membership and get in touch with Amberbaby. I've been looking for a young coed and her allowance didn't faze me.

If she is willing to give you the real "girlfriend experience" it won't be for a price. These aren't our girlfriends, men. These are pretend.

Tread carefully.

[QUOTE=Smuma6;5559544]Since we're on the subject of price, it may be a good idea to revisit that conversation. I know it's been discussed many times in this thread, but it bears repeating occasionally.

It seems we are all looking for that $200-$300 sweet spot, but I wonder if that's reasonable anymore. Given the number of flakes, time wasters, and scammers on Seeking, finding a real person who is attractive, responsive, and DTF may be worth an upcharge. Most of these women are clean and relatively low mileage. The rise in prices across the board has been well catalogued on this board. If high volume pros are charging $200-$300, perhaps it's time to reassess what's reasonable for a qualify UTR girl from Seeking.

There is a thread on Reddit for SBs and SDs to post what they are charging / paying. It's kind of interesting, some of the amounts seem completely astronomical and unreasonable: [URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/sugarlifestyleforum/comments/pc22tk/allowance_master_thread_20212022/[/URL].

(in case the board censored that URL, it's are / sugarlifestyleforum and the master allowance thread is stickied at the top).

So, I'm curious what you are all paying for full dates, on a PPM basis? Full date means you're shooting at least one load by the end of the date (or you are at least given a very clear opportunity to). Less interested in what the women are quoting and more interested in the prices at which you've actually closed the deal. And these need to be relatively recent (let's limit only to new women met in the last twelve months). I've met two recently for full dates, each at $300 PPM. I had a platonic meet and greet with another, but she wanted $500 for a full date. I said no and was expecting a counter, but it never came.[/QUOTE]I do 300 a week, period. I've recently have to get a new SB as the last one moved out of state. Since I started doing this thing five years ago I've only paid 300 a week. I've dropped 400 while "interviewing" potential candidates for my SB position, and have always settled on 300 a week. My last one would spend one evening a week with me. The full evening until I was satisfied. And sometimes spend the night depending on how she was feeling at the end of the night. The ones before that and my current spend several days a week with me.

Yes, I spent a lot of time filtering to find each of my SBs. Yes, I had to weed my way through a lot of flakes and burn-outs. Yes, it took a lot of time and work. Yes, I had to walk away from many potentials due to my refusals to budge on my budget. Yes, many of those walk-aways were very attractrive women. No, I don't care how attractive they were. I can wait. No, I don't pay for meet and greets. The SB doesn't see a dime until I'm satisfied.

I've found that as long as I'm playing "near my league," as in woman that I likely could have dated when I was in my 20's, and as long as I can get them off a couple times when we're together, they're happy to hang out and spend a lot of time with me. Might be the same for some of you as well, provided you're disciplined enough to keep the costs reasonable and then show them that they'll have a good time with you.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/8e0aa207-930f-4236-ab5f-533ee140d6aa[/URL]

Scam account. Not completely sure what the scam is because I didn't get that far, but "she" sent me nudes that belong to this Reddit user: [URL]https://www.reddit.com/user/Michirose96/[/URL].

[QUOTE=Anonymous420;5570886]
I've found that as long as I'm playing "near my league," as in woman that I likely could have dated when I was in my 20's, and as long as I can get them off a couple times when we're together, they're happy to hang out and spend a lot of time with me. Might be the same for some of you as well, provided you're disciplined enough to keep the costs reasonable and then show them that they'll have a good time with you.[/QUOTE]My own experience from the site given I tend to date above my league is that if you get them off a few times they easily return. Amazing how a little dedicated cunnilingus can return many times over. No one wants a selfish person let alone lover in their life regardless of the setup. Can't say as I'm any different.

Some of the hottest women I have met from the site have been the worst in bed and while that may be a sign of attraction to me (or my theory has always been they expect their body to entice a reaction regardless of their actions) . I could never repeat with them as I have zero desire to be with someone who doesn't find me mutually attractive either. Finding that ideal mix is delicate.

I do seek that 'girl friend' experience that was mentioned in an earlier post. Any feeling of that being not authentic immediately sets myself up for failure and lack of desire to see someone again. I do not seek someone whos just in it for the allowance. But likewise I'm not just in it for the sex. Perhaps I'm different there? To me this is why seeking is different than pure prostitution / TNA. I do seek a mutual attraction and reciprocation on everything. With a pro I just care about myself getting off. Very clear difference and clear in my actions as well.

[QUOTE=Flyer99;5568135]If she is willing to give you the real "girlfriend experience" it won't be for a price. These aren't our girlfriends, men. These are pretend.

Tread carefully.[/QUOTE]Only woman who says that is a pro. Stay away.

It annoys me that I want to give these people my money, but I apparently like SA too much. I tried creating a new account while I was out in Dallas, but I used a credit card with my same name / address and it immediately blocked me when I tried to pay. I head out to Florida in a couple weeks and I wanted to line up some things while down there. Is there a virtual card service that you guys recommend? I tried the Google Pay thing but it doesn't seem to do what I want as it wants to do in-store, NFC transactions.

Her main pic she's naked LOL I'm not subscribed but I'm curious to know what her private pics are like.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/8b71205a-6af8-47a8-a2a7-5db45c7c9fc9[/URL]

[QUOTE=TnaPorter;5575473]It annoys me that I want to give these people my money, but I apparently like SA too much. I tried creating a new account while I was out in Dallas, but I used a credit card with my same name / address and it immediately blocked me when I tried to pay. I head out to Florida in a couple weeks and I wanted to line up some things while down there. Is there a virtual card service that you guys recommend? I tried the Google Pay thing but it doesn't seem to do what I want as it wants to do in-store, NFC transactions.[/QUOTE]I have a Citi Mastercard and it allows me to create a virtual number directly in my online account. You can use the virtual card to pay and then delete the virtual card so you don't have to worry about recurring charges. I would bet that many of the large banks offer this service if you dig deep.

[QUOTE=Spacehog;5575524]Her main pic she's naked LOL I'm not subscribed but I'm curious to know what her private pics are like.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/8b71205a-6af8-47a8-a2a7-5db45c7c9fc9[/URL][/QUOTE]She's fully clothed, one is of her at a ski slope in full winter clothes, one is her in a business suit, and one is her taking a hike in the woods wearing a sweater and jeans.

I think she's dyslexic.

/ s.

[QUOTE=Smuma6;5576708]I have a Citi Mastercard and it allows me to create a virtual number directly in my online account. You can use the virtual card to pay and then delete the virtual card so you don't have to worry about recurring charges. I would bet that many of the large banks offer this service if you dig deep.[/QUOTE]Correct. I have used the virtual card service with Citi Master as well. It works like a charm and is easy to setup, use and then drop / cancel.

[QUOTE=DrtyHarry;5577393]Correct. I have used the virtual card service with Citi Master as well. It works like a charm and is easy to setup, use and then drop / cancel.[/QUOTE]In your experience, do I also need to attach a different billing address to the virtual card too? I don't see a way to do that without creating a hassle.

[QUOTE=TnaPorter;5577552]In your experience, do I also need to attach a different billing address to the virtual card too? I don't see a way to do that without creating a hassle.[/QUOTE]For most credit cards, they are simply matching the zip code. So, you can put any address in that you like, but use the correct zip code and it should work.

[QUOTE=Michael1967;5577710]For most credit cards, they are simply matching the zip code. So, you can put any address in that you like, but use the correct zip code and it should work.[/QUOTE]So, I just tried to pay. Different address, same ZIP code, virtual card -- they suspended me when I tried to pay. I'm a little shocked at how serious they are about not wanting my money.