Strip Club Reports

[QUOTE=CommonSteve666;5312974]Answers to each numbered question.

1. 20 at bt, 30 at fc. Pay per trip. Cricket and Bogart's give you a wristband so you only pay once.

2. I'll give him 10. They seem to appreciate it.

3. Don't hand her the money. Worst thing is you drop your pants and she grabs her purse and scurries out. I read a recent review of Athena at bt's who did this.

4. Be ok with spending money and have fun! Between cover, valet, a few drinks and VIP, you're in $70-80. Atm's have 20 fees so bring enough to splurge. I will bring 500 with me. Don't always spend it all but I have enough to avoid the atm. [/QUOTE]Flight Club has a $30 VIP fee? Seriously? When did that start?

P.S. Bogart's is $10.

[QUOTE=CommonSteve666;5312974]Answers to each numbered question.

1. 20 at bt, 30 at fc. Pay per trip. Cricket and Bogart's give you a wristband so you only pay once.

2. I'll give him 10. They seem to appreciate it.

3. Don't hand her the money. Worst thing is you drop your pants and she grabs her purse and scurries out. I read a recent review of Athena at bt's who did this.

4. Be ok with spending money and have fun! Between cover, valet, a few drinks and VIP, you're in $70-80. Atm's have 20 fees so bring enough to splurge. I will bring 500 with me. Don't always spend it all but I have enough to avoid the atm.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the tip! Feel like Silver cricket is a better value, BT have a higher cover and VIP fee and the girls are similar caliber.

[QUOTE=Lamarr;5313198]Flight Club has a $30 VIP fee? Seriously? When did that start?

P.S. Bogart's is $10.[/QUOTE]Flight was $20 as recent as two weeks ago. It was $30 pre pandemic for a short time.

What time do the clubs close in Detroit due to the pandemic.

[QUOTE=TensilePluto;5314039]What time do the clubs close in Detroit due to the pandemic.[/QUOTE]11 PM but some just stop serving alcohol at that time and stay open longer.

[QUOTE=Concupiscent69;5314282]11 PM but some just stop serving alcohol at that time and stay open longer.[/QUOTE]Going to try one tonite; won't be able to arrive until 10. I know FC stays open later, but does anyone know if that is true for Cricket or Bogie's?

[QUOTE=CommonSteve666;5312974]Answers to each numbered question.

3. Don't hand her the money. Worst thing is you drop your pants and she grabs her purse and scurries out. I read a recent review of Athena at bt's who did this.

[/QUOTE]I had a challenge with Athena also. Negotiated for no song count in the main room and after 4 songs in the VIP she said time was up unless I wanted to pay more. She was accurate it was 4 songs, so I paid her and that was the end of the session, but I was disappointed I didn't get do enjoy all the activities that had been negotiated.

MM.

I ended up going to Legends on Saturday. One of my favorite dancers who hasn't been there in a couple of years made a comeback on Saturday. Carmen from Legends is back. She's one of my favorite ladies and she used to dance at BTs back in the day.

Also, has anybody been to that after hours strip club on Woodward and 6 mile? When Legends closed up at 11 pm, a really really really hot lady (she was hotter than any of the ladies there) kept on telling me to "meet me at after hours at the strip club at 6 mile and Woodward". She even gave me the address. I did drive by there and the valet person told me they close at 6 am. What are your thoughts on this? Has anybody been there before? I didn't end up going in, because I was tired and I wanted to head home.

[QUOTE=MareloboMex;5314710]I had a challenge with Athena also. Negotiated for no song count in the main room and after 4 songs in the VIP she said time was up unless I wanted to pay more. She was accurate it was 4 songs, so I paid her and that was the end of the session, but I was disappointed I didn't get do enjoy all the activities that had been negotiated.

MM.[/QUOTE]Has anyone ever just tried not paying when this happens? When the deal is broken. I understand the bouncer is going to say you owe per song. But what if we just say no. Where does it go from there?

[QUOTE=TooBuku;5315104]Has anyone ever just tried not paying when this happens? When the deal is broken. I understand the bouncer is going to say you owe per song. But what if we just say no. Where does it go from there?[/QUOTE]Don't try this at a club with valet parking. You won't get your car until you pay. No valet? Be ready to have your ass beaten. If she was in the VIP with you for 4 songs, you owe her for 4 songs. No one besides you is going to admit to any other agreement.

[QUOTE=TooBuku;5315104]Has anyone ever just tried not paying when this happens? When the deal is broken. I understand the bouncer is going to say you owe per song. But what if we just say no. Where does it go from there?[/QUOTE]All you need to do is say "I'm not paying, I'm leaving, unless you want to call the cops". They DO NOT want to call the cops, they may imply that you must pay but you don't. They may say that you can't come back, but of course you can. If you were foolish enough to give them your car keys they may keep them, which is why I never valet park.

Looking for dancers with either big nipples, or big areola. Or both. Prefer natural breasts but beggars can't be choosers. Any recommendations?

1. Managed to hit Crickets at 10-ish; still a good crowd and a fair number of dancers. However, girls weren't hungry, more interested in "making it rain" and there was plenty of that action. Several times there were hundreds of singles covering the stage and spilling everywhere on the floor. Dancers waling around with big plastic bags filled with singles instead of their traditional little clutch bags. A sight to be seen. I made a rookie mistake (unforgivable for this veteran monger) to go back with a cute AA spinner named Storm, only to find out she had been doing this for a month. And people have told her that she gave bad dances. Wonderful. They weren't bad, but no extra opportunities.

2. Went total GPS and headed to FC: after 45 minutes, got a visit with a fair skinned dancer with a spinner body, a mane of dark hair, and very large bolt ons. (didn't hear her name; heavy accent. Maybe French; not sure). Did head upstairs and she know how to use those bolt-ons in conjunction with great BBBJ technique. Started to CIM then she pulled off and it was like the 4th of July and my junk looked like a Roman candle, blasting explosions upward everywhere. And she was a great sport despite hair and face blast. Money well spent, that's one for the memory books!

[QUOTE=TooBuku;5315104]Has anyone ever just tried not paying when this happens? When the deal is broken. I understand the bouncer is going to say you owe per song. But what if we just say no. Where does it go from there?[/QUOTE]When someone plays that game with them they have been known to call the COPS. Once it gets to that point you have two options. Option one you pay Option 2 you get handcuffed and carted away to get booked.

[QUOTE=Lamarr;5315681]1. Managed to hit Crickets at 10-ish; still a good crowd and a fair number of dancers. However, girls weren't hungry, more interested in "making it rain" and there was plenty of that action. Several times there were hundreds of singles covering the stage and spilling everywhere on the floor. Dancers waling around with big plastic bags filled with singles instead of their traditional little clutch bags. A sight to be seen. I made a rookie mistake (unforgivable for this veteran monger) to go back with a cute AA spinner named Storm, only to find out she had been doing this for a month. And people have told her that she gave bad dances. Wonderful. They weren't bad, but no extra opportunities.

2. Went total GPS and headed to FC: after 45 minutes, got a visit with a fair skinned dancer with a spinner body, a mane of dark hair, and very large bolt ons. (didn't hear her name; heavy accent. Maybe French; not sure). Did head upstairs and she know how to use those bolt-ons in conjunction with great BBBJ technique. Started to CIM then she pulled off and it was like the 4th of July and my junk looked like a Roman candle, blasting explosions upward everywhere. And she was a great sport despite hair and face blast. Money well spent, that's one for the memory books![/QUOTE]What was the dmg on the BJ? I drove past FC last night and it was packed with cars! You must really be in the mood, I imagine the competition must be fierce!

[QUOTE=Drew93;5315764]When someone plays that game with them they have been known to call the COPS. Once it gets to that point you have two options. Option one you pay Option 2 you get handcuffed and carted away to get booked.[/QUOTE]Not true, the bar isn't going to call the cops and say "this guy didn't pay for a sex act in the VIP" No SC wants LE at their club, it's bad for business. It's also your word against theirs, they say you didn't pay, I say I paid.

[QUOTE=EatonBeaver;5315548]Don't try this at a club with valet parking. You won't get your car until you pay. [/QUOTE]This is true, they will hold your keys until you pay.

[QUOTE=EatonBeaver;5315548]No valet? Be ready to have your ass beaten. If she was in the VIP with you for 4 songs, you owe her for 4 songs. No one besides you is going to admit to any other agreement.[/QUOTE]Not true, this is Metro Detroit not Tijuana Mexico. Sure they may act like they are going to kick your ass but it won't happen unless you throw the first punch. If you are back there for 4 songs they will say you owe her for 4 songs. Again it's your word against hers, she says you didn't pay, I say I paid.

[QUOTE=TooBuku;5315104]Has anyone ever just tried not paying when this happens? When the deal is broken. I understand the bouncer is going to say you owe per song. But what if we just say no. Where does it go from there?[/QUOTE]This is what happened to me. A stripper started playing her games about 3 songs in so I walked out on the 4th song. The stripper tells the bouncer I didn't pay her, the bouncer said I owed her $100, I told the bouncer I paid her, the manager comes over and asks what's going on, then tells me I owe her $100 or they will call the cops, I tell him to call the cops (he didn't). The bouncers (two of them) are stopping me from leaving and telling me I owe her $100 (in a very aggressive way), I said I paid her already and if they don't let me leave I will call the cops and press charges against them. This went on for about 5 minutes until I pulled out my phone and called 911 and told 911 that I was being held against my will at club X. They then told me I was banned from the club and to never come back. I left without paying her a dime.

Now my car was parked on the street but even if it was valet parked I would still call the cops and told them I'm being held against my will and they are trying to steal my car. The bar will try and get you to pay, but at the end of the day they are not going to get in any legal trouble over a stripper that won't even be working there in 6 months because she OD or is in jail.

[QUOTE=Checkers123;5316179]This is what happened to me. A stripper started playing her games about 3 songs in so I walked out on the 4th song. The stripper tells the bouncer I didn't pay her, the bouncer said I owed her $100, I told the bouncer I paid her, the manager comes over and asks what's going on, then tells me I owe her $100 or they will call the cops, I tell him to call the cops (he didn't). The bouncers (two of them) are stopping me from leaving and telling me I owe her $100 (in a very aggressive way), I said I paid her already and if they don't let me leave I will call the cops and press charges against them. This went on for about 5 minutes until I pulled out my phone and called 911 and told 911 that I was being held against my will at club X. They then told me I was banned from the club and to never come back. I left without paying her a dime.

Now my car was parked on the street but even if it was valet parked I would still call the cops and told them I'm being held against my will and they are trying to steal my car. The bar will try and get you to pay, but at the end of the day they are not going to get in any legal trouble over a stripper that won't even be working there in 6 months because she OD or is in jail.[/QUOTE]I will give it to you, if you tell me that you went back to that same club another day with no issues.

With so few clubs around, is it worth getting banned from one club for one bad experience or $?

[QUOTE=Shrekr;5316202]I will give it to you, if you tell me that you went back to that same club another day with no issues.[/QUOTE]I did but it was on a different shift (days) about 3 months later, then again on nights about a year latter. I didn't recognize anyone.

[QUOTE=Shrekr;5316202]With so few clubs around, is it worth getting banned from one club for one bad experience or $?[/QUOTE]That would be up to the individual, I say yes but others will say no. Another thing to remember is staff comes and goes all the time at these clubs. The managers and bouncers that work there today most likely won't work there in six months to a year. And do you really think they care a year latter that you didn't pay a stripper that tried to rip you off? Maybe, maybe not? What's the worst they can do, tell you to leave? I'll go somewhere else and spend my money.

[QUOTE=Checkers123;5316179]This is what happened to me. A stripper started playing her games about 3 songs in so I walked out on the 4th song. The stripper tells the bouncer I didn't pay her, the bouncer said I owed her $100, I told the bouncer I paid her, the manager comes over and asks what's going on, then tells me I owe her $100 or they will call the cops, I tell him to call the cops (he didn't). The bouncers (two of them) are stopping me from leaving and telling me I owe her $100 (in a very aggressive way), I said I paid her already and if they don't let me leave I will call the cops and press charges against them. This went on for about 5 minutes until I pulled out my phone and called 911 and told 911 that I was being held against my will at club X. They then told me I was banned from the club and to never come back. I left without paying her a dime.

Now my car was parked on the street but even if it was valet parked I would still call the cops and told them I'm being held against my will and they are trying to steal my car. The bar will try and get you to pay, but at the end of the day they are not going to get in any legal trouble over a stripper that won't even be working there in 6 months because she OD or is in jail.[/QUOTE]Agree with all of this. The worse that will happen, other than the minor bouncer harassments, is banishment from the club. Smart play.

[QUOTE=Checkers123;5316227]I did but it was on a different shift (days) about 3 months later, then again on nights about a year latter. I didn't recognize anyone.

That would be up to the individual, I say yes but others will say no. Another thing to remember is staff comes and goes all the time at these clubs. The managers and bouncers that work there today most likely won't work there in six months to a year. And do you really think they care a year latter that you didn't pay a stripper that tried to rip you off? Maybe, maybe not? What's the worst they can do, tell you to leave? I'll go somewhere else and spend my money.[/QUOTE]Yep. I know a guy who owns several of these clubs. The employee turnover rate is high. It's the nature of the business.

[QUOTE=Checkers123;5316127]Not true, the bar isn't going to call the cops and say "this guy didn't pay for a sex act in the VIP" No SC wants LE at their club, it's bad for business. It's also your word against theirs, they say you didn't pay, I say I paid.[/QUOTE]In the past 3 years, I have seen it happen at least seven times.

[QUOTE=TooBuku;5315104]Has anyone ever just tried not paying when this happens? When the deal is broken. I understand the bouncer is going to say you owe per song. But what if we just say no. Where does it go from there?[/QUOTE]TB,

I will throw my opinion in.

First this is part of the game / experience / adventure. There are many girls out to cheat you. You are trying not to get cheated. You show me a guy who has not been cheated in a strip club and I will show I guy who is a liar. It happens from time to time and try to minimize it.

Second I know the rules when I go back and I am supposed to pay for the songs. I was back there for 4 songs and if I wouldn't have paid I would owe that.

Third, think with the big head. This is hard for some of us. I could fight it, I could cause a scene. But why do I want to do that? I go to the club to relax and blow some steam as well as other fluids. I have enough headaches in my personal life and work life. When I am in the strip club I want to enjoy the altered reality that I can have most of these girls.

Forth, my goal for the night was to empty my load. That didn't happen with Athena. It was not big deal, I picked and different girl after and ended up enjoying myself, which was the purpose of my trip.

Finally if you want to impact her. Arguing with her in the club is not the way to do it. Simply come on a message board and post your experiences. Other guys will avoid her, or be cautious when going with her so the same thing doesn't happen to them. She is a very beautiful girl and likely most guys in the club would like to go with her, but she won't get many repeat customers doing this, and word gets around that she is not a good time and you will find her prices will drop and her services will expand. Lastly there a no secret in the strip club. Girls talk and if the remember you are the guy that had a problem with Athena they may not want to go with you. If you are trying to get the best girl based on your subjective opinion you do not want to have a reputation as someone causes trouble and is a risk for a bad VIP session.

MM.

[QUOTE=Concupiscent69;5316275]Yep. I know a guy who owns several of these clubs. The employee turnover rate is high. It's the nature of the business.[/QUOTE]Depends on the bar really. I know cricket and bogarts have had the same managers for quite a while now. H8 N has had a little bit of a turnover over the past year or so. Can't speak on the other bars.

[QUOTE=MotorMonger;5316008]What was the dmg on the BJ? I drove past FC last night and it was packed with cars! You must really be in the mood, I imagine the competition must be fierce![/QUOTE]It was still busy when I arrived at 11:20-ish. And yeah, I was hunting, on the prowl. It was an expensive night, $$$ and then I was generous after that, but I'm still smiling. Worth every penny. Mad skills. Great fireworks too.

Heard she was pregnant. Where does she dance at? And when usually?

[QUOTE=Lamarr;5316634]It was still busy when I arrived at 11:20-ish. And yeah, I was hunting, on the prowl. It was an expensive night, $$$ and then I was generous after that, but I'm still smiling. Worth every penny. Mad skills. Great fireworks too.[/QUOTE]Definitely, as long as the girl is your type. Forcing yourself on girls you wouldn't talk to in a bar just for the sole purpose of saving money will leave you with potentially bad memories later on, it's why I never consider SW anymore.

Well, it will remain a dream for now! Thanks for the intel folks, on Blue at the Cricket. But too bad, heard she was fired yesterday? Anyone else can confirm & on what happened?

And a long shot question (probably too early) - which club is she going to jump to?

Other than the disappointment. Met Aria, nice & easy to talk to. Did offer BJ for 1. 2 but I did not partake. Ran out of time and had my expectations high with Blue to begin with. Anyone knows the days Aria works? Thinking of going back soon.

Play safe. Over & out.

[QUOTE=SilentStorm;5316788]Well, it will remain a dream for now! Thanks for the intel folks, on Blue at the Cricket. But too bad, heard she was fired yesterday? Anyone else can confirm & on what happened?

And a long shot question (probably too early) - which club is she going to jump to?

Other than the disappointment. Met Aria, nice & easy to talk to. Did offer BJ for 1. 2 but I did not partake. Ran out of time and had my expectations high with Blue to begin with. Anyone knows the days Aria works? Thinking of going back soon.

Play safe. Over & out.[/QUOTE]She's at BT she told me she quite due to lack of business at cricket.

[QUOTE=SilentStorm;5316788]Well, it will remain a dream for now! Thanks for the intel folks, on Blue at the Cricket. But too bad, heard she was fired yesterday? Anyone else can confirm & on what happened?

And a long shot question (probably too early) - which club is she going to jump to?

Other than the disappointment. Met Aria, nice & easy to talk to. Did offer BJ for 1. 2 but I did not partake. Ran out of time and had my expectations high with Blue to begin with. Anyone knows the days Aria works? Thinking of going back soon.

Play safe. Over & out.[/QUOTE]She's at BTS. Monday tues Wed and Sat

[QUOTE=SilentStorm;5316788]Well, it will remain a dream for now! Thanks for the intel folks, on Blue at the Cricket. But too bad, heard she was fired yesterday? Anyone else can confirm & on what happened?

And a long shot question (probably too early) - which club is she going to jump to?

Other than the disappointment. Met Aria, nice & easy to talk to. Did offer BJ for 1. 2 but I did not partake. Ran out of time and had my expectations high with Blue to begin with. Anyone knows the days Aria works? Thinking of going back soon.

Play safe. Over & out.[/QUOTE]I'm curious. How does a dancer get fired at the Criket?

If you visit the Criket and Cassandra is working, she's worth a trip to the VIP.

[QUOTE=Checkers123;5317294]With all due respect, I'm going to choose not to believe that statement.[/QUOTE]Me neither. I read all of this thread with interest, and have a few points:

1. I get the valet thing. I don't like it either. Yeah, they can't steal your car. They can't not let you leave. I get all that too, you always have a recourse against that, the nuclear option of calling the police (or using the spare fob in your pocket). However, it gives them a certain bit of leverage over you that's better to be avoided. I have never, ever, had this issue in 20 years+, and not just in the D. FL, NJ, KY, GA, TX, etc. But I have heard it a few times. So I believe it can happen. I guess once it's looking that way, you have to decide what price are you willing to pay to make it go away.

2. When the girl pulls her stunts ("pay me more money" and / or not doing what she agreed to), get up, ask for a sound count, if it sounds generally correct to you, pay her for the songs and walk away. If there is a dispute, ask the troll for the song count. This is where it can be a he said she said situation far as whether you paid or not (she can claim you didn't pay) and then if management takes her side, all you can do is walk and never come back (this happened to me at Cricket). I told the manager it was an interesting business decision of his to lose the $1 K a month I was spending (and had been for 10 years) over a $100 dispute. Guess he didn't go to Wharton. I saw someones point about there are only a few clubs so you can't just keep getting kicked out of them, yeah I get that. I didn't want it to go this way, but the guy (who freaking knew me) enraged me so much by taking some chicks side over a damn $100 was just too maddening for me to ever set foot there again. Plus, do you want to frequent a business that you now know is managed by someone so idiotic? Who knows what would happen in a worse situation. So, byebye Cricket for me, forever, no regrets.

3. If you pay the girl up front, all bets are off. You lose every argument and have zero recourse. That is why many of us say time and time again NEVER do that and always walk away after paying for one song if she insists. Yes, I stupidly did this before, and paid the price. Soon as my pants were down, she literally bolted. All you can do is spread the word of who it was and live to fight another day (or hour). Again, NEVER EVER pay up front.

I could go on forever on this topic and I am sure I am not 100% right either, but the point of this forum is to share experiences and advice to one another.

[QUOTE=MareloboMex;5316456]TB,

Finally if you want to impact her. Arguing with her in the club is not the way to do it. Simply come on a message board and post your experiences. Other guys will avoid her, or be cautious when going with her so the same thing doesn't happen to them. She is a very beautiful girl and likely most guys in the club would like to go with her, but she won't get many repeat customers doing this, and word gets around that she is not a good time and you will find her prices will drop and her services will expand. Lastly there a no secret in the strip club. Girls talk and if the remember you are the guy that had a problem with Athena they may not want to go with you. If you are trying to get the best girl based on your subjective opinion you do not want to have a reputation as someone causes trouble and is a risk for a bad VIP session.

MM.[/QUOTE]Should we create a list of girls to avoid and pin it as the first message on the thread? All it has to have is.

Name: Club.

It will be easy to look up the list, right now at the club in front of the girl I have to search the forum.

Haven't had any luck finding Laurie (Bogarts) or Carrie (Huge tits) at the usual spots. Kind of a bummer. Was looking forward to some big tits. I saw Paris over at Cricket. Pasty, huge tits (natural) and ass. Don't know what her tune is. Looks like she may be a good time but I've never seen her. Anyone else know where I can get some big fake cans?

[QUOTE=Jay23;5317431]Should we create a list of girls to avoid and pin it as the first message on the thread? All it has to have is.

Name: Club.

It will be easy to look up the list, right now at the club in front of the girl I have to search the forum.[/QUOTE]Jay only caveat here is that different guys look for different things. What one guy might consider bad another guy sees as an opportunity.

I have often read reports about girls refusing bareback even when offered high compensation. I often make a note to try those girls.

Similarly I have read reports about guys complaining that new girls do not properly know how to orally pleasure a dude's member. I enjoy educating and teaching a new girl, and I sometime seek out girls who others did not like thinking they can benefit from what I can teach.

Sometimes guys complain that they are only clean girls, yet I enjoy the challenge of moving her along her strip club journey and have been known to do clean sessions from time to time.

I am just saying it is a subjective list. In Athena's case she may have learned from my experience and others and improved her game for those who come after us, then again she may not and it is best to avoid her.

When I was in London a saw a young girl she had mixed reviews some good some bad. We had a horrible session and wrote the most negative review on her rating her 1 our of 5 stars. Since my review she has only had 5 star reviews. There is a reasonable likelihood she has improved her services.

MM.

[QUOTE=SilentStorm;5316788]Well, it will remain a dream for now! Thanks for the intel folks, on Blue at the Cricket. But too bad, heard she was fired yesterday? Anyone else can confirm & on what happened?

And a long shot question (probably too early) - which club is she going to jump to?

Other than the disappointment. Met Aria, nice & easy to talk to. Did offer BJ for 1. 2 but I did not partake. Ran out of time and had my expectations high with Blue to begin with. Anyone knows the days Aria works? Thinking of going back soon.

Play safe. Over & out.[/QUOTE]I went there today an chatted up a few dancers. Rumor is she had a std an had a few upset customers come back an complain.

The two girls I talked to there were pretty pissed too seeing that most of them share customers. Thought it was worth sharing.

Besides that a lot beautiful girls there. I ended up enjoying myself with cassandra. H8 is usually my go to so cool to have some success at sc.

Stay safe out there guys rather be safe than sorry.

[QUOTE=CallMeRoy;5319629]I went there today an chatted up a few dancers. Rumor is she had a std an had a few upset customers come back an complain.

The two girls I talked to there were pretty pissed too seeing that most of them share customers. Thought it was worth sharing.

Besides that a lot beautiful girls there. I ended up enjoying myself with cassandra. H8 is usually my go to so cool to have some success at sc.

Stay safe out there guys rather be safe than sorry.[/QUOTE]So, I never heard any rumors about Blue. This info seems to come a little too late for me - so I am off AGAIN to the doctor's. SMH I can only say to wear a cover with ANY girl at the clubs. I would definately wear a cover with Cassandra too. do as I say not as I do.

I mean, what did you expect? Blue does 5-7 raw BJ's CIM per day, doesn't wash her hands or have any proper knowledge on health, safety and how disease works. And most of you believe you can't get an STD from a BJ? Don't bother complaining when you knew what you signed up for! The general idea of getting my d* sucked raw right after some old hag or any dude in general, is sickening. Don't recommend. Stay safe and think twice about your health!

[QUOTE=OffSetrn;5320508]I mean, what did you expect? Blue does 5-7 raw BJ's CIM per day, doesn't wash her hands or have any proper knowledge on health, safety and how disease works. And most of you believe you can't get an STD from a BJ? Don't bother complaining when you knew what you signed up for! The general idea of getting my d* sucked raw right after some old hag or any dude in general, is sickening. Don't recommend. Stay safe and think twice about your health![/QUOTE]Yes indeed the "cum kleen" toothpaste gals are not necessary the "cleanest" but can suck the "meanest". LOL.