[QUOTE=RomoLampkin;5304785]Gay Cowboy Night was an absolute classic.[/QUOTE]Might be time for the 2021 reunion party. Perhaps see if the Dean would dress up again for the party?
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[QUOTE=RomoLampkin;5304785]Gay Cowboy Night was an absolute classic.[/QUOTE]Might be time for the 2021 reunion party. Perhaps see if the Dean would dress up again for the party?
[QUOTE=Sparkeyman;5304265]Hope this doesn't turn into the same drama situation that happened to La Chambre. Same scenario kitchen fire then insurance refused to pay. The owner finally just packed it in because he didn't have the cash to fix the place.[/QUOTE]Who wants to go in with me to buy the place?
[QUOTE=OnlyVrx;5304760]Here's a question for the more experienced negotiators. In your opinion, is it more advantageous for YOU to start the negotiations with an amount right out of the gate. OR do you prefer to hear the GIRLS starting number and go from there? I appreciate the feedback![/QUOTE]I let her go first. It gives me an idea of what she values herself or thinks what a sucker I may be.
[QUOTE=OnlyVrx;5304760]Here's a question for the more experienced negotiators. In your opinion, is it more advantageous for YOU to start the negotiations with an amount right out of the gate. OR do you prefer to hear the GIRLS starting number and go from there? I appreciate the feedback![/QUOTE]OV,
I like to ask what does she want to do with me?
If she says it depends how much do you want to spend? This is an experienced peeler, who has negotiated VIP over a thousand times, and she is looking to get maximum compensation for minimum effort. I will often pass on these girls because I already know the best the session will be is mediocre.
If she insists on paying up front it will be a bad session, same if she wants the money put on the table. The most you should do is show her you have the cash and then she can go about earning it.
If she seems nervous or unsure those are good signs that she hasn't negotiated this even one hundred times. It is one thing to be willing to dance sexy in the VIP, it is quite another to vocalize for the first time what your intensions are with a customer.
If a girl uses a euphemism that is usually a good sign. I once had a girl tell me that she doesn't go all the way. I hadn't heard a girl say that since I was in high school. I immediately got a big hard on. No experienced girl ever says anything like that.
It is rare but a few times I have had a girl say my minimum price is $100, and then if you think I deserve a tip, you can tip me more if I exceeded your expectations. These sessions are almost always great.
I like to chat with the girl at the table for a while and feel our chemistry. If we have good chemistry, she will often say I don't go with every guy who asks me. Or I only do this special thing with a few guys I feel comfortable with. Those are all good signs.
Frequently during the chat I will ask a girl about her mood or she will just volunteer her mood, and say that she is angry, or she is depressed, or she is hung over, or she is tired. Who wants to do a VIP with a girl like that. Everyone once in a while I girl will say candidly I am horny. That is the girl I want to take to the VIP, and she will usually be a good time. I once had a girl sit down in the chair next to me, and I asked her how her night was going?, and she said she is a little frustrated, she got out of the VIP and she was so close to having a orgasm with her last customer, and now she is super horny. I thought this was a great approach and we were soon enjoying ourselves in the VIP.
Anyway, there is no right or wrong answer to your question. Go with your personality and what feels comfortable to you and what vibe you are getting from the girl. See it as an adventure. Plenty of these girls are out to rip you off, or take all your money. But plenty of them genuinely want to show show you a good time at for a reasonable compensation. Because they want you to be their regular, and they know they make way more money doing repeat session at a lower price point than one session at high price point. Ava at Players 2015-2017 and Bella at BTs 2017- 2019 are two who come to mind.
Have fun and report back how it goes.
MM.
Hey guys, it's my birthday weekend and I'm heading down, any suggestions as to where to go for some extras tonight!
[QUOTE=SoilderBoy;5302035]Does anybody have a timeline on when the strip clubs will be closing later like normal time. They close at 10 from what I understand now correct??
Fight club does stay open late but they don't serve alcohol after 10 if I read the board correct?
If anybody can help me out with this information feel free to PM me thanks.[/QUOTE]Clubs close at 11. Haven't heard any guidance on when the curfew will be removed. FC stays open till 2, but removes all your drinks at 11.
[QUOTE=RayRaynor;5304852]So did you get some action OTC with the girl?[/QUOTE]No I did not, well not with that girl, I called one of my regular OTC girls.
[QUOTE=SweetNameless;5290383]I have taken Blue back several times and had amazing BBBJ for as long as I could hold out with no song count. She is a young, tall 5'10" brunette beauty, C cup with great nips and butt. She is a former cheerleader that is extremely fit & flexible as demonstrated on stage. Easily the chic that gathers more greenbacks on stage and more trips to the back than most girls in the club. Testimony to her looks and service she provides. She works Mon & Thur day shift, sometimes Sat. Best $150 I have spent, you can't go wrong.[/QUOTE]Whats her full service price?
[QUOTE=Deano666;5282865]Gps = $500 and up Golden Pussy Syndrome.[/QUOTE]500?? Its anything over 200.
[QUOTE=PipersPit;5307244]Whats her full service price?[/QUOTE]From what I recall she quotted me 150 BJ and 250 FS which I thought was a rediculous price jump btween the two services. The only thing I didn't like about Blue was her tits were way too saggy for someone so petite and young.
[QUOTE=PipersPit;5307247]500?? Its anything over 200.[/QUOTE]Got that right. You start getting over than number you need to find an hourly gal and get your $$ worth vs a 20-minute romp in a small room.
Haven't been having much luck lately with the night shift talent.
Who are the best providers?
Also, I have seen a couple solid 8/9's but they don't really talk to anyone when I'm there. They are also rarely there, if anyone has insight please PM me:
Ari. Solid 9, slim / thick Mexican / Italian with one arm tattooed.
Rosy. Solid 8, slim light skinned / Puerto Rican.
Haven't been having a lot of luck lately finding what I want at BT's.
Who are the hottest / best on night shift?
There are a couple solid 8/9's that I've rarely seen there. Any insight on these please PM!
Rosy. Light skin / puerto rican with a couple small shoulder tattoos.
Ari. Slim / thick mixed mexican with one arm tattoo'd.
Bella. Slim brunette Barbie.
We should come up with something like MSRP for services at Detroit clubs. Granted the hotness factor will determine the upcharge but let's start with what we should pay if the girl is a 6 (Out of 10) For.
1. CBJ.
2. BBBJ.
3. FS.
[QUOTE=Jay23;5308374]We should come up with something like MSRP for services at Detroit clubs. Granted the hotness factor will determine the upcharge but let's start with what we should pay if the girl is a 6 (Out of 10) For.
1. CBJ.
2. BBBJ.
3. FS.[/QUOTE]One problem I already see is the rating system. IMO, many believe a gal to be near a 10 yet I believe her to be a 6 and vice versa. As proven by reading the replies, many will pay higher dollar for mediocrity and others have a limit. Far too many different tastes for everyone to be on an even platform.
[QUOTE=Sparkeyman;5304265]Hope this doesn't turn into the same drama situation that happened to La Chambre. Same scenario kitchen fire then insurance refused to pay. The owner finally just packed it in because he didn't have the cash to fix the place.[/QUOTE]The owner of the business at La Chambre had insurance. I'm pretty sure his company ended up paying the claim. I'm sure the strip mall owner had insurance on his building.
[QUOTE=Concupiscent69;5308590]One problem I already see is the rating system. IMO, many believe a gal to be near a 10 yet I believe her to be a 6 and vice versa. As proven by reading the replies, many will pay higher dollar for mediocrity and others have a limit. Far too many different tastes for everyone to be on an even platform.[/QUOTE]Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
I acknowledge all of the problems with this type of poll, but a few replies will still be helpful to convey a general sense of the market. With a few minor tweaks, here are my suggested prices:
[QUOTE=Jay23;5308374]We should come up with something like MSRP for services at Detroit clubs. Granted the hotness factor will determine the upcharge but let's start with what we should pay if the girl is a 6 (Out of 10) For.
1. CBJ only (No FS)--- 100.
2. BBBJ only (No FS)-- 120-150.
3. BJ (either CBJ or BBBJ) plus CFS. (does anyone negotiate for FS, without a BJ?)--- up to 200[/QUOTE].
[QUOTE=Electronman;5308844]I acknowledge all of the problems with this type of poll, but a few replies will still be helpful to convey a general sense of the market. With a few minor tweaks, here are my suggested prices:.[/QUOTE]Seems like a reasonable starting point. With the cost of 2, 3 or 4 "songs" included for each respective category?
[QUOTE=Biggy313;5308772]Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.[/QUOTE]You mean the "beerholder". ; )
[QUOTE=Electronman;5308844]I acknowledge all of the problems with this type of poll, but a few replies will still be helpful to convey a general sense of the market. With a few minor tweaks, here are my suggested prices:
.[/QUOTE]You're being generous with the prices. Now we'll have a differing of value. IMO, those prices are too high.
[QUOTE=Concupiscent69;5309123]You mean the "beerholder". ; )[/QUOTE]Concupisceebt69.
Very true.
[QUOTE=Concupiscent69;5309123]You mean the "beerholder". ; )[/QUOTE]Concupisceebt69.
Haha.
Very true statement.
[QUOTE=Concupiscent69;5309128]You're being generous with the prices. Now we'll have a differing of value. IMO, those prices are too high.[/QUOTE]Agree. Too high. At the very least these prices need to include warm up dances, no song count, full on touching. Got to remember all the other costs too: VIP troll, valet and cover (if any), and drinks.
I only go to these places for the extras so these costs to me have meaning.
[QUOTE=Jay23;5308374]We should come up with something like MSRP for services at Detroit clubs. Granted the hotness factor will determine the upcharge but let's start with what we should pay if the girl is a 6 (Out of 10) For.[/QUOTE]1. CBJ. Is this really even an option in Detroit area clubs?
2. BBBJ. 60-80.
3. FS. 120 should be your target number here. Sometimes you pull 100 maybe, and sometimes you go to 150 for a hottie, or a special fetish, but that's it.
Pay any more than these numbers, and you are doing yourself and everyone else a disservice by driving up the market.
One caveat is Flight Club. You are going to pay more there just because it is FC, home of the GPS model of stripping.
[QUOTE=Sid63;5309223]Agree. Too high. At the very least these prices need to include warm up dances, no song count, full on touching. Got to remember all the other costs too: VIP troll, valet and cover (if any), and drinks.
I only go to these places for the extras so these costs to me have meaning.[/QUOTE]I couldn't agree more.
[QUOTE=RomoLampkin;5309541]1. CBJ. Is this really even an option in Detroit area clubs?
2. BBBJ. 60-80.
3. FS. 120 should be your target number here. Sometimes you pull 100 maybe, and sometimes you go to 150 for a hottie, or a special fetish, but that's it.
Pay any more than these numbers, and you are doing yourself and everyone else a disservice by driving up the market.
One caveat is Flight Club. You are going to pay more there just because it is FC, home of the GPS model of stripping.[/QUOTE]Yes these prices are right in line for Henry's north, bogarts, criket, and BTs.
[QUOTE=Concupiscent69;5309128]You're being generous with the prices. Now we'll have a differing of value. IMO, those prices are too high.[/QUOTE]Let's hear some other numbers. Not your "target" price point but the figure that you typically pay for each of the services listed.
For background, I expect to pay more at Flight Club and Landing Strip than I would typically pay at Cricket or BT's. Bogart's and Henry VIII are significantly lower than the prices that I suggested but the talent is often much less at Bogart's and Henry VIIIN.
[QUOTE=Electronman;5309933]Let's hear some other numbers. Not your "target" price point but the figure that you typically pay for each of the services listed.
For background, I expect to pay more at Flight Club and Landing Strip than I would typically pay at Cricket or BT's. Bogart's and Henry VIII are significantly lower than the prices that I suggested but the talent is often much less at Bogart's and Henry VIIIN.[/QUOTE]I agree with Eman those prices seem accurate to me.
My experience is different from many of you. First is I am not interested in most of the girls. She has to look a certain way, behave a certain way, and have characteristics that make me believe she worth spending money on. If you are less selective and most girls will do you can get a lower price point.
Also I only go to the clubs maybe 10 - 20 times a year. I don't live in Detroit, so I go when I am in town for business. If I see a girl I want then I know I had better get her that night because she will likely be gone when I return. I can't go back and work on a girl over multiple nights and drive her price down or wait for her to get really desperate. I would rather pay her $20 more and get on with the VIP.
I add in all kinds of extra services like no song counting, multiple warm up dances, and asking for a picture, doing some dirty talking. I find $150 - $200 is where I typically end up.
If she is a college age girl, that doesn't have kids, has been dancing less than 6 weeks, and is an 8 or 9. Then for me $200 is a good deal.
MM.
I stopped in late last week around 2. There were about 12-15 guests and 7 dancers. The names I caught were Shay, Polly, Cassandra, Bianca and Aria. There were 2 black gals walking around as well but I never caught there name. I chatted with Polly. A very tight little stoner chick, fun attitude nice little ass and a set of A cups. Apparently she only offers dances. I'd love see more of her if anyone has had a different experience. After awhile I was approached by Aria. Tall, white, brunette, nice bubble but and a set of B cups. She was easy to talk to and eventually brought up "having some fun" in the back. Negotiations were painless, She asked for 200 for CBJ. We settled on 2 warmup songs with a strip tease, no count and a CBJ for 120. I'd repeat. Cassandra and Bianca both looked nice, but they were occupied with a regulars the majority of the time I was there.
[QUOTE=OnlyVrx;5310902]I stopped in late last week around 2. There were about 12-15 guests and 7 dancers. The names I caught were Shay, Polly, Cassandra, Bianca and Aria. There were 2 black gals walking around as well but I never caught there name. I chatted with Polly. A very tight little stoner chick, fun attitude nice little ass and a set of A cups. Apparently she only offers dances. I'd love see more of her if anyone has had a different experience. After awhile I was approached by Aria. Tall, white, brunette, nice bubble but and a set of B cups. She was easy to talk to and eventually brought up "having some fun" in the back. Negotiations were painless, She asked for 200 for CBJ. We settled on 2 warmup songs with a strip tease, no count and a CBJ for 120. I'd repeat. Cassandra and Bianca both looked nice, but they were occupied with a regulars the majority of the time I was there.[/QUOTE]Polly is fun to talk to but like you said just dances. I had a couple from her and I wouldn't' repeat. Aria sounds hot! When do she work? Anything else on her menu available?
[QUOTE=MareloboMex;5310073]I agree with Eman those prices seem accurate to me.
My experience is different from many of you. First is I am not interested in most of the girls. She has to look a certain way, behave a certain way, and have characteristics that make me believe she worth spending money on. If you are less selective and most girls will do you can get a lower price point.
Also I only go to the clubs maybe 10 - 20 times a year. I don't live in Detroit, so I go when I am in town for business. If I see a girl I want then I know I had better get her that night because she will likely be gone when I return. I can't go back and work on a girl over multiple nights and drive her price down or wait for her to get really desperate. I would rather pay her $20 more and get on with the VIP.
I add in all kinds of extra services like no song counting, multiple warm up dances, and asking for a picture, doing some dirty talking. I find $150 - $200 is where I typically end up.
If she is a college age girl, that doesn't have kids, has been dancing less than 6 weeks, and is an 8 or 9. Then for me $200 is a good deal.
MM.[/QUOTE]Different strokes for different folks.
My take is regarding the added cost of the club, song count, drinks, etc. Perhaps many of you are up for the challenge which, IMO there really isn't a challenge to having your choice when it's a simple matter of how much. I'd rather go the escort route or even SW route since there are no added expenses or major negotiations. Yes, sometimes you want that hot gal, which you won't find in SW very often, but I've had success with a few hot ones and keep as regulars (another story). Anyway, the stripping scene is nice, but I have a problem with the high cost of everything. Thus, I don't frequent them often.
Just a side note. I tip my hat to the members of this forum who routinely share names and details about there adventures. On my last trip out I noticed Polly and liked what I saw but didn't remember her being mentioned in the forum. So, what do I do while I'm enjoying my beer at the bar? I jump on the forum and search for Polly. 2 minutes later I see that she only offers dances and no extras to be had! Saved me from getting my hopes up and probably a little money. Thanks for the info fellas!
[QUOTE=Bmarr77;5310927]Polly is fun to talk to but like you said just dances. I had a couple from her and I wouldn't' repeat. Aria sounds hot! When do she work? Anything else on her menu available?[/QUOTE]I'm not sure when Aria works, but I was there on a Friday. I didn't ask for anything else, I was really only interested in a BJ. But I would recommend.
[QUOTE=OnlyVrx;5310902]I stopped in late last week around 2. There were about 12-15 guests and 7 dancers. The names I caught were Shay, Polly, Cassandra, Bianca and Aria. There were 2 black gals walking around as well but I never caught there name. I chatted with Polly. A very tight little stoner chick, fun attitude nice little ass and a set of A cups. Apparently she only offers dances. I'd love see more of her if anyone has had a different experience. After awhile I was approached by Aria. Tall, white, brunette, nice bubble but and a set of B cups. She was easy to talk to and eventually brought up "having some fun" in the back. Negotiations were painless, She asked for 200 for CBJ. We settled on 2 warmup songs with a strip tease, no count and a CBJ for 120. I'd repeat. Cassandra and Bianca both looked nice, but they were occupied with a regulars the majority of the time I was there.[/QUOTE]
So don't laugh me off the board here but, what about just a HJ? I'm married and worried about bringing something home but wouldn't mind a hot girl stroking my dick for 20 minutes until I blast on her tits. What could I expect to pay for that? If I'm already spending 120 on AMP 's then why not go to a club and substitute a shitty massage for a couple beers and end up with the same service for a similar price?
[QUOTE=RomoLampkin;5309541]1. CBJ. Is this really even an option in Detroit area clubs?
2. BBBJ. 60-80.
3. FS. 120 should be your target number here. Sometimes you pull 100 maybe, and sometimes you go to 150 for a hottie, or a special fetish, but that's it.
Pay any more than these numbers, and you are doing yourself and everyone else a disservice by driving up the market.
One caveat is Flight Club. You are going to pay more there just because it is FC, home of the GPS model of stripping.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=AvBrent;5311376]So don't laugh me off the board here but, what about just a HJ? I'm married and worried about bringing something home but wouldn't mind a hot girl stroking my dick for 20 minutes until I blast on her tits. What could I expect to pay for that? If I'm already spending 120 on AMP 's then why not go to a club and substitute a shitty massage for a couple beers and end up with the same service for a similar price?[/QUOTE]AB,
Don't worry about the laughers, take her back and have her do what is is you like. Although personally I am not for handjobs, I have sometimes gone back just to watch her play with herself.
There is only so many shots you have on a given night. When I am out amo, I may still take a girl back simply because I like her. Have her lap dance for a few songs.
This is a king of the world environment. You can do what you like with the girl including when that deviates from what most guys do with her.
I am incredibly confident you can negotiate for the services you desire, including the price of 2 or 3 beers for you to drink and spend less than $120.
MM.
[QUOTE=AvBrent;5311376]So don't laugh me off the board here but, what about just a HJ? I'm married and worried about bringing something home but wouldn't mind a hot girl stroking my dick for 20 minutes until I blast on her tits. What could I expect to pay for that? If I'm already spending 120 on AMP 's then why not go to a club and substitute a shitty massage for a couple beers and end up with the same service for a similar price?[/QUOTE]Last fall got a really nice HJ from Kendall at H8 N for 80. She's worked there a couple years pretty young hottie with awesome upcurved titties, I mean really nice, and long straight strawberry blonde hair, and luscious bootie. Couldn't talk her in to anything more but it really didn't matter to me, for what amounted to song count got to knead those gorgeous tits and grab that awesome booty while she jerked me off. No complaints and will be looking to repeat when I can get back in there.
[QUOTE=Sammed99;5309113]Seems like a reasonable starting point. With the cost of 2, 3 or 4 "songs" included for each respective category?[/QUOTE]The prices that I suggested are all inclusive. The price includes the listed service and NO additional charge for each song during a private session.
Obviously, if you have a dancer who insists on a charge for each song, you should lower your price point accordingly.
Some dancers will set a maximum number of songs or a time limit for a private session. Some limits on time are reasonable; after all, the dancer does need to go on stage when called and circulate to sell dances and services in order to make money. If a dancer suggests a song limit, I suggest that you stipulate a time limit, maybe 20-30 minutes, for a private session. It is much easier to set a timer than it is to count songs that often have ambiguous endings and beginnings. If you get stuck with a song count, you might check out Shazam, which has a feature that lists all the songs that are played in the background. It can be helpful for resolving any disagreement on how many songs you've been in the private area.
[QUOTE=Electronman;5311572]The prices that I suggested are all inclusive. The price includes the listed service and NO additional charge for each song during a private session.
Obviously, if you have a dancer who insists on a charge for each song, you should lower your price point accordingly.
Some dancers will set a maximum number of songs or a time limit for a private session. Some limits on time are reasonable; after all, the dancer does need to go on stage when called and circulate to sell dances and services in order to make money. If a dancer suggests a song limit, I suggest that you stipulate a time limit, maybe 20-30 minutes, for a private session. It is much easier to set a timer than it is to count songs that often have ambiguous endings and beginnings. If you get stuck with a song count, you might check out Shazam, which has a feature that lists all the songs that are played in the background. It can be helpful for resolving any disagreement on how many songs you've been in the private area.[/QUOTE]Very helpful information good sir! It's been a few years since I visited Detroit and have recent trips to the motor city and is planning on visiting BTs and possibly flight clubs for some extra covered fun, would like to kindly ask a more seasoned Detroit hobbyist like yourself about some basic but necessary advise, 1. How much does the VIP room cost per trip or can you just pay once 2. How much to tip the bouncer to be on the neutral / good side in case some shit happens. 3. Common scams and tips these girls like to pull recent, every place have a culture and they can probably spot a out of towner pretty easily. 4. Any other general information would much appreciated.
Thanks all! I had an account here from 2013 but have since lost the password due to computer switch.
[QUOTE=AvBrent;5311376]So don't laugh me off the board here but, what about just a HJ? I'm married and worried about bringing something home but wouldn't mind a hot girl stroking my dick for 20 minutes until I blast on her tits. What could I expect to pay for that? If I'm already spending 120 on AMP 's then why not go to a club and substitute a shitty massage for a couple beers and end up with the same service for a similar price?[/QUOTE]I have a regular who "dances" in Ohio. She tells me lots of guys just want handiest. She also has guys who want her to show them her pussy and tits, then they just Jack themselves off and cum on her tits, face, or in her mouth. She says some guys are afraid of letting her touch their dicks. I've found its good to be very explicit. I'll ask if she gets naughty, does she mind a finger up her butt, etc.
[QUOTE=MotorMonger;5312201]Very helpful information good sir! It's been a few years since I visited Detroit and have recent trips to the motor city and is planning on visiting BTs and possibly flight clubs for some extra covered fun, would like to kindly ask a more seasoned Detroit hobbyist like yourself about some basic but necessary advise, 1. How much does the VIP room cost per trip or can you just pay once 2. How much to tip the bouncer to be on the neutral / good side in case some shit happens. 3. Common scams and tips these girls like to pull recent, every place have a culture and they can probably spot a out of towner pretty easily. 4. Any other general information would much appreciated.
Thanks all! I had an account here from 2013 but have since lost the password due to computer switch.[/QUOTE]Answers to each numbered question.
1. 20 at bt, 30 at fc. Pay per trip. Cricket and Bogart's give you a wristband so you only pay once.
2. I'll give him 10. They seem to appreciate it.
3. Don't hand her the money. Worst thing is you drop your pants and she grabs her purse and scurries out. I read a recent review of Athena at bt's who did this.
4. Be ok with spending money and have fun! Between cover, valet, a few drinks and VIP, you're in $70-80. Atm's have 20 fees so bring enough to splurge. I will bring 500 with me. Don't always spend it all but I have enough to avoid the atm.