Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[QUOTE=BillBut52;2391715]Came to same conclusion a bit ago based on same review of posts. It is a good effort though, with some reviews other than Blake and the reviews do sound more genuine than typical provder / provider proxy fake reviews.[/QUOTE]Believe what you think you know about me gentleman I am not a pimp or drug dealer or BF I just happen to like what Blake provides to me. If you have read all my reviews you know I have been scammed before and I haven't written much about others I have been with but if you want to know all my business PM me. Blake is no different than some of the others I have meet over the years If I had known about this site I would have commented on them but there is enough on those I have seen. Blake has been around for a while a lot of you have probably had her and some still do we all have a favorite one. It just amazes me how this last guy sees her doesn't complain to her at all but then comes here to slams her and out of the dark people want to blame Blake I have sent some of you the whole story and you changed your view a little I can't post the real story here. If you want to know get in touch. If you want to call me out and think I am a fake well then maybe we all are fake here making up crap. We only hear one side here of a story HELL I can make up all kinds and have you believing in them. So don't call me out when you don't know me at all. I am a straight shooter. Like it or leave it.

Can't say how much I enjoy USAsg. It's sooo much more unencumbered than other sites.

I'm probably the only one that has difficulty, but some sites require so much BS just to get a review posted that after about the third refusal I'm ready to say screw it. I like having multiple resources, but some sites are just too out of control expecting you to write war and peace just to get a review approved. BTW, certain phrases like, "In my dream... " are not allowed. Meanwhile, you go back and read other 'approved' reviews and see they were not held to the same standard. What a bunch of crapola. Oh well, their loss. I'll focus my attention elsewhere if this double standard keeps up.

Piece out (yes, pun intended).

TGM.

[QUOTE=3-MinutePassion;2394357]I was inquiring about Beautiful Bella who has morphed into Star. Apparently the pics are very old. No longer the looker she once was. A shame. And has a lurking bf but haven't personally confirmed this. Anyone have an update on this gal?

[URL]http://cincinnati.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/sexy-star-is-available-now/21585195[/URL]

Hat tip to CloudStrife7.[/QUOTE]With all due respect. You were inquiring that one you listed, but linked to someone asking about "SEXY BELLA" . Stop the madness. Stop confusing people. Either this is intentional or you have to do homework. Either one is not good. Not diercted at you. But I think there are women here parading as men. Not good. Check those IP address A2 and delete.

[URL]http://www.**************.com/companions/sexy-bella-cincinnati-white-female[/URL]

Sorry about the link, but it is getting old. Its on aNotheR site.

NONE. I'll repeat, NONE of the Bella's you guys talk about even touch. Wait for it. " SEXY BELLA" there is no "real" confusion if you take the time. SEXY BELLA, does not need to run any ads. Many of you will never get to meet her. Some may. She is sort of like Sara Tongue Twister in that respect. SB is a gem in all respects. That's short for. Wait for it. SEXY BELLA.

[QUOTE=VelvetRayne;2388944]I all ready addressed the issue in question in PM but, I will say this I have been around for 5 years on and off and I can honestly say I would never put any member (provider / gentlemen) on this forum at risk!

Please don't believe everything you read or hear!! I am sure the gentlemen that have seen me will tell you that they are free and never have been or scared of being in trouble when they have seen me. Thank you though for being open and honest about the rumors going around also for making me aware of them. I really do appreciate this!! For anyone that wants to see me and write a review that you seen me. Call me and I will make this happen in a positive way!! Or read my ad later and you will see what I am talking about.

Come Step Under the.

Velvet Rayne.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the response.

I will have to say after receiving numerous PMs on the subject, that I'm in the same place I started: I don't know what's true here. Since I've never been and don't plan to become a customer, it's not personally relevant to me.

Echoing 3 Minute Passion, it would be interesting to hear from people who actually had been stung by LEO, which can be done pretty anonymously here, exactly how it went down for the betterment of everyone involved.

All of this confirms my doubts about the usefulness of various reference systems, which I suspect may do as much harm as good by imparting a false sense of security while at the same time allowing for the accumulation of data that can be helpful to LEO.

Also, as I've mentioned before, it would probably be better to know about the providers who got popped but not prosecuted than the ones who just got popped, because the ones who never get charges filed are the ones most likely working with LEO. Unfortunately, it's almost impossible to know that.

Just because a provider worked with LEO once doesn't mean it continues. I suspect there's a contractual window involved, after which the snitch's debt is erased. As a matter of policy, though, I tend to stay away from any provider strongly and reasonably suspected (based on corroborating evidence and not rumor alone) of working with LEO, simply on principle, because too many have gotten popped and didn't snitch.

[QUOTE=DarkNet;2394391]With all due respect. You were inquiring that one you listed, but linked to someone asking about "SEXY BELLA" . Stop the madness. Stop confusing people. Either this is intentional or you have to do homework. Either one is not good. Not diercted at you. But I think there are women here parading as men. Not good. Check those IP address A2 and delete.

[URL]http://www.**************.com/companions/sexy-bella-cincinnati-white-female[/URL]

Sorry about the link, but it is getting old. Its on aNotheR site.

NONE. I'll repeat, NONE of the Bella's you guys talk about even touch. Wait for it. " SEXY BELLA" there is no "real" confusion if you take the time. SEXY BELLA, does not need to run any ads. Many of you will never get to meet her. Some may. She is sort of like Sara Tongue Twister in that respect. SB is a gem in all respects. That's short for. Wait for it. SEXY BELLA.[/QUOTE]There is definitely something in the water up there. :D

[QUOTE=3-MinutePassion;2392224]We are all looking for good dreams. However, unfortunately for some, LEO has intervened to turn a dream into a nightmare. I, and I think most of the community, would be very interested in hearing how this occurred. Because presumably everyone has taken precautions. How did it happen? How were you fooled? The more details the better so that we all might be better educated and informed.[/QUOTE]I read each thread and I am a little lost on who, when, anyone here had a dream intervened with a nightmare. I know there have been several stings in the area and hopefully no one here was involved. Are you getting this info through PM? I am curious because if I or anyone else needs to be extra cautious! Thanks T69.

[QUOTE=PussyLuver57;2392049]Velvet Rayne is:

Sexy, honest, real, safe, attentive, consistent, and most of all, a friend. I value her. You will too.[/QUOTE]I value you too. I love spending time with you. You make me feel so great about myself. I treat you like you treat me.

Velvet Rayne.

I can't wait for another 9" Italian BMT.

[QUOTE=Lugnutz;2394433]All of this confirms my doubts about the usefulness of various reference systems, which I suspect may do as much harm as good by imparting a false sense of security while at the same time allowing for the accumulation of data that can be helpful to LEO.
[/QUOTE]There is no question we all can be lulled into a false sense of security. Think about it. I tell a provider they can check my posts. I give her my handle. She does this and thinks things are cool. The only problem is, of course, any of us can give any handle we want.

On the other hand, yes, many of these girls are reviewed but if they get compromised by LEO anything can happen. The greater risk lies with the providers, though, because the likelihood of one working with LEO is far less likely than LEO using someone else's handle. In fact, I know of no monger who has been nailed by a snitch. Not one, despite the accusations. If a provider had done this we all would know about it.

Let's face it, in the end, nothing is guaranteed. We all need to be vigilant and cautious. This is why I would like to hear how a fellow monger may have had a nightmare. It would be informative for us all.

[QUOTE=3-MinutePassion;2392224]We are all looking for good dreams. However, unfortunately for some, LEO has intervened to turn a dream into a nightmare. I, and I think most of the community, would be very interested in hearing how this occurred. Because presumably everyone has taken precautions. How did it happen? How were you fooled? The more details the better so that we all might be better educated and informed.[/QUOTE]Don't go to a room located on the ground floor of a hotel at the end of a hallway by an exit door. That location allows LE to take the arrestees out quickly without drawing attention. A vehicle sufficient for a paddy wagon will be in the lot by the door. It's a good idea to drive around the hotel ahead of time and note the type vehicles parked near the outside doors. Just one lap around. Everything is on tape. This by no means indicates a girl telling us to come to the 6th floor is therefore safe.

I looked at a couple of the complaints from the sting in Cincinnati that was reported a couple of weeks ago. This is likely not a great source of information, but it was clear from the complaints that fake ads were posted. Also, the each complaints gives some general description about how the monger verbally offered money in exchange for particular acts. Whether or not the complaints are truthful is up for debate.

[QUOTE=3-MinutePassion;2395152]There is no question we all can be lulled into a false sense of security. Think about it. I tell a provider they can check my posts. I give her my handle. She does this and thinks things are cool. The only problem is, of course, any of us can give any handle we want.

On the other hand, yes, many of these girls are reviewed but if they get compromised by LEO anything can happen. The greater risk lies with the providers, though, because the likelihood of one working with LEO is far less likely than LEO using someone else's handle. In fact, I know of no monger who has been nailed by a snitch. Not one, despite the accusations. If a provider had done this we all would know about it.

Let's face it, in the end, nothing is guaranteed. We all need to be vigilant and cautious. This is why I would like to hear how a fellow monger may have had a nightmare. It would be informative for us all.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Toro222;2395259]I looked at a couple of the complaints from the sting in Cincinnati that was reported a couple of weeks ago. This is likely not a great source of information, but it was clear from the complaints that fake ads were posted. Also, the each complaints gives some general description about how the monger verbally offered money in exchange for particular acts. Whether or not the complaints are truthful is up for debate.[/QUOTE]If I am meeting a provider for the first time, who has not been reviewed or minimally so, I normally approach it as though I am interested in a massage only. That way if she does not take off her clothes or if I am getting strange vibes, I can proceed on that basis and not repeat.

Personally, I think it would be wise if all providers listed themselves under Body Rubs rather than Escorts. This gives them two advantages. One, if they really don't want to have sex with a monger they can pass and just give the massage, as agreed upon. Two, they can also size up the situation. I understand that many are afraid they will lose business if they don't make it perfectly clear that they provide full service but I don't believe that would be the case.

On a first time meeting I also always begin with one number, to get info, rates, etc. and then set up the meeting on a second number so nothing can be traced back to the earlier discussion about rates and activities. That way there is no linkage to the earlier, "incriminating" discussion.

A friend of mine believes with LEO it wouldn't matter. If you are there to meet a provider who has listed herself as full service, even if you only discuss massage, they will bust you. I'm not sure about the legality of this but I suppose LEO can do pretty much whatever it wants. After all, it is your word against theirs and even if you do beat the rap in court, the damage has been done on the domestic and / or work scene. So, LEO wins either way.

I just wish the providers would shift their listings on sites like BackPage to Body Rubs. It sure would make it safer for all involved. Not perfect, but better.

Thanks to Toro and Golf Cart for their input.

It boggles my mind how many of the ladies think you have all this time in the world and will take off driving to some general location only to wait for them to get around to responding with an exact location (if they respond at all - Been there too).

For you ladies that are just in this for your next fix, stop reading NOW!

For you ladies that are in this to build a book of repeat business and really make serious dough, continue reading this extremely helpful insight.

First off, my time can be EXTREMELY tight. So, as a result, I have to plan things out in say 15-30 minute increments. For example, my drive time is usually 30 minutes (one way). For the round trip I've already burnt one hour and have not even gotten my pee-pee wet.

Not knowing for sure what traffic situations may eat into my fun time, I may add another 15 to 30 minutes. Now I'm up to 1.5 hours, and again have not even gotten to the fun yet.

Given how much window of time I can afford for that day or particular part of that day, I may have 30 to 60 minutes available for the actual fun part. At this point, I'm up to 2.5 hours that I have to make sure is planned out for my 30-60 minutes of fun.

Now, throw on top of this the amount of time you (the provider) may take to respond when giving the location. If you respond 20 minutes later when asked for location, then you've just ate into the time window. Soooo, If I have 30 minutes to play, generally speaking, I NOW HAVE 10.

Not sure I am typical, but I need a 30 minute lead time in order to know exactly where I'm going. For example, the address (not necessarily the room no.) needs to be given when asked for. In other words, I am going to ask for this info just about 30 minutes prior to getting in my car and driving. If you (the provder) are not prompt with this (like within 5 minutes, NOT 20 minutes), then don't be surprised (as most seem to be) when I say I cannot make it.

Morale of the story, please be prompt when location is requested.

Rant out.

TGM.

[QUOTE=TheGenteelMan;2395930]It boggles my mind how many of the ladies think you have all this time in the world and will take off driving to some general location only to wait for them to get around to responding with an exact location (if they respond at all - Been there too).

For you ladies that are just in this for your next fix, stop reading NOW!

For you ladies that are in this to build a book of repeat business and really make serious dough, continue reading this extremely helpful insight.

First off, my time can be EXTREMELY tight. So, as a result, I have to plan things out in say 15-30 minute increments. For example, my drive time is usually 30 minutes (one way). For the round trip I've already burnt one hour and have not even gotten my pee-pee wet.

Not knowing for sure what traffic situations may eat into my fun time, I may add another 15 to 30 minutes. Now I'm up to 1.5 hours, and again have not even gotten to the fun yet.

Given how much window of time I can afford for that day or particular part of that day, I may have 30 to 60 minutes available for the actual fun part. At this point, I'm up to 2.5 hours that I have to make sure is planned out for my 30-60 minutes of fun.

Now, throw on top of this the amount of time you (the provider) may take to respond when giving the location. If you respond 20 minutes later when asked for location, then you've just ate into the time window. Soooo, If I have 30 minutes to play, generally speaking, I NOW HAVE 10.

Not sure I am typical, but I need a 30 minute lead time in order to know exactly where I'm going. For example, the address (not necessarily the room no.) needs to be given when asked for. In other words, I am going to ask for this info just about 30 minutes prior to getting in my car and driving. If you (the provder) are not prompt with this (like within 5 minutes, NOT 20 minutes), then don't be surprised (as most seem to be) when I say I cannot make it.

Morale of the story, please be prompt when location is requested.

Rant out.

TGM.[/QUOTE]I'm not trying to pick a fight, and you for sure bring a lot of value to the board with your information and it's much appreciated. Having said all that nice shit, let me offer this:

Everyone doesn't manage their schedule in 15 minute increments or doesn't feel the same way you do. No one likes to be kept waiting, but really? You set up appointments for "fucking" or whatever with a 30 minute buffer? Jesus. Just beat off.

Shit happens. I hate being left sitting on my hands too, but I also plan my shit around it so I can weather a delay or two without it fucking up my whole day.

I think trying to do this shit as a snack at lunchtime and then try to run back for a meeting is doomed to failure. Then getting upset that these girls that don't see their calendar with the same business acumen that you do will just cause you to be upset. Just sayin.

[QUOTE=TheGenteelMan;2395930]Morale of the story, please be prompt when location is requested.

Rant out.

TGM.[/QUOTE]Five minutes, no more. I don't understand guys that coddle providers. If she's not in business to make my experience easy and stress free then I'm gone. It's a business, run it like one.

Lucky for me though the next piece of punanni is usually just around the corner.

A2.

[QUOTE=FirstHalf;2396269]I'm not trying to pick a fight, and you for sure bring a lot of value to the board with your information and it's much appreciated. Having said all that nice shit, let me offer this:

Everyone doesn't manage their schedule in 15 minute increments or doesn't feel the same way you do. No one likes to be kept waiting, but really? You set up appointments for "fucking" or whatever with a 30 minute buffer? Jesus. Just beat off.

Shit happens. I hate being left sitting on my hands too, but I also plan my shit around it so I can weather a delay or two without it fucking up my whole day.

I think trying to do this shit as a snack at lunchtime and then try to run back for a meeting is doomed to failure. Then getting upset that these girls that don't see their calendar with the same business acumen that you do will just cause you to be upset. Just sayin.[/QUOTE]You are still reeling from the Kool-aid of the non-mongering world when it comes to punani. This is Burger King, and you can have it your way. This is a business and if Jiffy Lube isn't open when I need it open, I will get my lube job somewhere else and never have to go back to Jiffy Lube again. Why? Because he who has the cash, makes the rules.

The real world it's the person with the vagina that makes the rules. In mongering, Benjamin Franklin and his friend you. Grant does the scheduling for me. If I want it in a 15 minute window, I will. If I don't, then they'll have to hustle and bustle to get rent money. From a sure thing, they just lost on the cash. I will still have my $$ and I will treat myself to another provider, or a nice steak, or some new vinyl for the turntable I bought from the last time I got stood up.

He who has the cash does not have to tolerate shitty service.