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[QUOTE=SkipChurch;3183952]Note to admin: I don't mean this to be argumentative. It's a sincere post that I hope helps some BP advertisers if they see it. Still, I understand if you disagree and edit / delete it.
If I had one piece of advice for BP advertisers it would be this: the fewer times "no" appears in your ad, the better. If you want to generate results and get people to act on your message, telling them "no" or having them imagine the word "no" a bunch up front is going to work against you.
I understand you need to have some rules, but that can all be discussed once contact is made. The purpose of the ad is to generate a desired action, which in this case is to get a monger to contact you. It's not to stipulate in advance all of your dislikes, pet peeves and annoyances.
I'm not picking on this advertiser, because there are plenty on BP who do the same thing, but it just happens to be the ad I was looking at when I decided to post.
[URL]http://daytona.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/pink-diamond-new-to-the-area-_outcalls-and-incalls_-available_now-and-want-to-play/18074134[/URL]
Half a dozen rules and / or appearances of the word "no" in a pretty short ad. That's a lot of negative reinforcement in the few seconds it takes to view the ad. Even though most of those "No"s and "Do Not"s don't apply to me, they still give me an overall negative impression because that's what "no" does. I can't help but imagine if there are that many rules before I even make contact that there will be a lot more once I show up. It's not inviting. I'll just move on.
Here's one who gets it right.
[URL]http://daytona.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/need-some-attention/18072114[/URL]
Short, sweet, to-the-point, doesn't say "no" once, and gives a good reason to contact. Perfect.
If the amount of ads on BP is any indication, Daytona's getting to be a more competitive market. Giving people a reason to call or text you is what's going to work, not giving them reasons NOT to. Like one of my old bosses used to say, "Make it hard for people to do business with you, and they won't. ".
[blue]You can only be argumentative with members, telling advertisers what you think they are doing wrong would be commentary.
A2[/blue][/QUOTE]Unfortunately they, meaning backpage chicks are NOT the sharpest tools in the shed. Most are complete idiots with no marketing skills. I say let them starve.
C5.
[QUOTE=JaxDog;3183400]I'm afraid your friend isn't telling you the truth, unless there is something more to the story like drugs. Police departments do not under any circumstances do hooker outcall stings to private residences. I know a number of law enforcement personnel and they have told me on numerous occasions that it is strictly forbidden to send police women into an environment where the officers involved do not have total control. Think about it, their sending an undercover officer into a situation of which they have no idea of who or what she might be walking into. They would never take such risks, especially for a misdemeanor. What if things happen to go bad and shots are actually fired! The lawsuits would break the the city not to mention that the media would crucify the the police department from the chief down to every officer involved. It's just not going to happen! Outcalls are the best way to stay safe from our friendly local law enforcement. JD.[/QUOTE]Absolutely true. Biggest thing to watch out for is "let me go pay my driver. " Classic ripoff. I always, always, always say before she arrives there is no running out to pay the driver. And I make her agree. I'll show it upfront, but it won't change hands if I smell something fishy. Driver must leave, for example. If she insists on getting anything upfront, I tell her to get naked first, in the BR with me, and stand between her and the door LOL.
Also: sting protection for incalls--I only see providers who advertise "no black guys. " Sorry for them, but that is absolute protection due to "selective enforcement" defense. LE will never discriminate in adds. Never.
[QUOTE=JaxDog;3183400]I'm afraid your friend isn't telling you the truth, unless there is something more to the story like drugs. Police departments do not under any circumstances do hooker outcall stings to private residences. I know a number of law enforcement personnel and they have told me on numerous occasions that it is strictly forbidden to send police women into an environment where the officers involved do not have total control. Think about it, their sending an undercover officer into a situation of which they have no idea of who or what she might be walking into. They would never take such risks, especially for a misdemeanor. What if things happen to go bad and shots are actually fired! The lawsuits would break the the city not to mention that the media would crucify the the police department from the chief down to every officer involved. It's just not going to happen! Outcalls are the best way to stay safe from our friendly local law enforcement. JD.[/QUOTE]So why is it OK for them to send a male officer on an outcall but not a female? Because they do. They wear wires and have hidden cameras that look like lighters or cigarette packs and stuff like that.
OK, let me set the record straight on Andi. She's the real deal! I've visited her twice in the past few weeks. She is very sweet, attractive, comforting, easy to talk to, and a lot of fun! Yes, she is voluptuous, and that's my thing. Skinny girls don't do a thing for me! She is sensitive in all the right places, and very responsive to that. Orally, she took me deeper than I have ever been taken before, and not even a hint of gag reflex! Full GFE, loves DATY, always fresh and smelling good. Will repeat as often as the budget allows.
You'll know who this is, Andi. Hope you enjoyed the chocolates!
[URL]http://daytona.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/andi-thursday-fun/18110910[/URL]
[QUOTE=Datymonger69;3189142]Absolutely true. Biggest thing to watch out for is "let me go pay my driver. " Classic ripoff. I always, always, always say before she arrives there is no running out to pay the driver. And I make her agree. I'll show it upfront, but it won't change hands if I smell something fishy. Driver must leave, for example. If she insists on getting anything upfront, I tell her to get naked first, in the BR with me, and stand between her and the door LOL.
Also: sting protection for incalls--I only see providers who advertise "no black guys. " Sorry for them, but that is absolute protection due to "selective enforcement" defense. LE will never discriminate in adds. Never.[/QUOTE]I've often wondered about the "no black guys" in ads. Always seemed to me that this would be an issue if the case ever went to court. JD.
[QUOTE=MidwestMonique;3189274]So why is it OK for them to send a male officer on an outcall but not a female? Because they do. They wear wires and have hidden cameras that look like lighters or cigarette packs and stuff like that.[/QUOTE]As I stated in my post, the lawsuits that might arise if things happened to go bad during an outcall sting operation would be a financial and public relation nightmare for any police dept. Also the logistics involved in sending an undercover police woman into an unknown situation would be very cost prohibitive, the man power alone needed to cover such an operation would be extensive, add to that the multiple units and a tactical command vehicle, it's just too expensive. Lastly, I don't think that police departments are really all that interested in busting johns. JD.
[QUOTE=STrain;3189633]OK, let me set the record straight on Andi. She's the real deal! I've visited her twice in the past few weeks. She is very sweet, attractive, comforting, easy to talk to, and a lot of fun! Yes, she is voluptuous, and that's my thing. Skinny girls don't do a thing for me! She is sensitive in all the right places, and very responsive to that. Orally, she took me deeper than I have ever been taken before, and not even a hint of gag reflex! Full GFE, loves DATY, always fresh and smelling good. Will repeat as often as the budget allows.
You'll know who this is, Andi. Hope you enjoyed the chocolates!
[URL]http://daytona.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/andi-thursday-fun/18110910[/URL][/QUOTE]She also "advertises" on plenty of fish.
[QUOTE=MidwestMonique;3189274]So why is it OK for them to send a male officer on an outcall but not a female? Because they do. They wear wires and have hidden cameras that look like lighters or cigarette packs and stuff like that.[/QUOTE]You make a good point Monique. (I still have to see you) I think it's just risk vs reward. In both situations they are at a tactical disadvantage going to an unwnown location and sending in a single person. I think LE will do stings to providers under that situation because there is a better chance of getting a felony arrest (drugs, pimps etc.). It is also more socially accepted because it is an action against an element of criminal subculture and not a working man. The chances of lawsuits would not be as high when dealing with people already in or have been in some aspect of the criminal justice system as well.
[QUOTE=JaxDog;3189916]As I stated in my post, the lawsuits that might arise if things happened to go bad during an outcall sting operation would be a financial and public relation nightmare for any police dept. Also the logistics involved in sending an undercover police woman into an unknown situation would be very cost prohibitive, the man power alone needed to cover such an operation would be extensive, add to that the multiple units and a tactical command vehicle, it's just too expensive. Lastly, I don't think that police departments are really all that interested in busting johns. JD.[/QUOTE]JaxDog is correct on all counts. I'm not saying an outcall sting COULDN'T happen, but it is extraordinarily unlikely. LEO don't like situations where they aren't totally in control, and in an outcall where they're sending a female UC to a house / apartment / room / whatever, they have very little if any control. She can't go in because that could put her life in serious danger. They would insist on doing it where they always have eyes on her. The problem there is that the vast, vast majority of mongers aren't going to want to stand and visit on the porch once she arrives; they're going to immediately invite her in. Does LEO go barreling in as soon as he opens the door? That's an enormous liability. They have no idea who else (or how many others) might be inside, or if there's an arsenal of weapons readily available to the person inside. Unless they have a search warrant for the monger's phone, there likely isn't much they could do to prove they're even at the right house once they're inside. If the monger used a burner phone and gave a fake name then "You guys are at the wrong house" seems like it would be a pretty strong defense in a case like that. And how would the logistics work with so many municipalities packed so closely together? If one agency locally wanted to do an outcall sting they'd either have to (1) coordinate with EVERY adjacent and nearby agency in case the monger is in the next town or 2 towns over, or (2) hope they get lucky and all their contacts are within their jurisdiction.
There are just so many things working against LEO in an outcall situation that the risks to everyone's safety outweigh any possible benefit. Add the fact that a conviction is questionable at best and they would probably see it as a huge waste of time.
Again, not saying it couldn't happen, but the possibility is, I'd venture, astronomically remote.
[QUOTE=SkipChurch;3190786]JaxDog is correct on all counts. I'm not saying an outcall sting COULDN'T happen, but it is extraordinarily unlikely. LEO don't like situations where they aren't totally in control, and in an outcall where they're sending a female UC to a house / apartment / room / whatever, they have very little if any control. She can't go in because that could put her life in serious danger. They would insist on doing it where they always have eyes on her. The problem there is that the vast, vast majority of mongers aren't going to want to stand and visit on the porch once she arrives; they're going to immediately invite her in. Does LEO go barreling in as soon as he opens the door? That's an enormous liability. They have no idea who else (or how many others) might be inside, or if there's an arsenal of weapons readily available to the person inside. Unless they have a search warrant for the monger's phone, there likely isn't much they could do to prove they're even at the right house once they're inside. If the monger used a burner phone and gave a fake name then "You guys are at the wrong house" seems like it would be a pretty strong defense in a case like that. And how would the logistics work with so many municipalities packed so closely together? If one agency locally wanted to do an outcall sting they'd either have to (1) coordinate with EVERY adjacent and nearby agency in case the monger is in the next town or 2 towns over, or (2) hope they get lucky and all their contacts are within their jurisdiction.
There are just so many things working against LEO in an outcall situation that the risks to everyone's safety outweigh any possible benefit. Add the fact that a conviction is questionable at best and they would probably see it as a huge waste of time.
Again, not saying it couldn't happen, but the possibility is, I'd venture, astronomically remote.[/QUOTE]Think you are all watching too much "CHICAGO PD" !! LOL.
[QUOTE=SkipChurch;3190786]JaxDog is correct on all counts. I'm not saying an outcall sting COULDN'T happen, but it is extraordinarily unlikely. LEO don't like situations where they aren't totally in control, and in an outcall where they're sending a female UC to a house / apartment / room / whatever, they have very little if any control. She can't go in because that could put her life in serious danger. They would insist on doing it where they always have eyes on her. The problem there is that the vast, vast majority of mongers aren't going to want to stand and visit on the porch once she arrives; they're going to immediately invite her in. Does LEO go barreling in as soon as he opens the door? That's an enormous liability. They have no idea who else (or how many others) might be inside, or if there's an arsenal of weapons readily available to the person inside. Unless they have a search warrant for the monger's phone, there likely isn't much they could do to prove they're even at the right house once they're inside. If the monger used a burner phone and gave a fake name then "You guys are at the wrong house" seems like it would be a pretty strong defense in a case like that. And how would the logistics work with so many municipalities packed so closely together? If one agency locally wanted to do an outcall sting they'd either have to (1) coordinate with EVERY adjacent and nearby agency in case the monger is in the next town or 2 towns over, or (2) hope they get lucky and all their contacts are within their jurisdiction.
There are just so many things working against LEO in an outcall situation that the risks to everyone's safety outweigh any possible benefit. Add the fact that a conviction is questionable at best and they would probably see it as a huge waste of time.
Again, not saying it couldn't happen, but the possibility is, I'd venture, astronomically remote.[/QUOTE]Happened to a friend of mine who lives in The Villages. Total cost 3 grand.
Any intel on this one?
[URL]http://daytona.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/tight-young-beautiful-burnet-quirter-friday-special/18121376[/URL]
[QUOTE=SkipChurch;3161632]I realize the average age of providers is probably somewhere between 25-30, but if you're an older gent like myself, or just enjoy the company of a lady with more years of experience, you could do a lot worse than Pansy.
Her incall location is clean and safe, and she's a genuinely sweet, interesting lady who is eager to make your visit as comfortable and fulfilling as possible. The age given on her ad is probably a bit low, but then what provider doesn't fudge that a little?
Again, if you're an older gentleman who appreciates the company of someone of similar age, I'd recommend. Of course YMMV.
[URL]http://daytona.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/ready-for-a-great-time-gentleman-the-best-of-the-best-here-waste-no-time/17001417[/URL][/QUOTE]I saw her a week before Thanksgiving and I have to echo everything that was said in this post. The damage for hhr was. 8 and it was well worth it. She eased me into it, asked me what I enjoyed, and didn't hesitate to provide. This is a go to when all else falls through.
[QUOTE=EroticM;3191125]Think you are all watching too much "CHICAGO PD" !! LOL.[/QUOTE]I've never seen the show, but I do have a LEO living in my house. It gives me a unique perspective.
Again, not saying that an outcall sting to bust mongers couldn't happen, but the logistics are a nightmare, the cross-jurisdictional problem is huge, the chances of a conviction are reduced, the possibility for a PR debacle is enormous, and the liability is monumental. Too many things are working against them and too many things can go wrong. That's all directly from my live-in LEO, who is a family member that's somewhat aware of my proclivities but has plausible deniability. That's why you don't see stories about them in the newspaper; they tend not to happen. There's usually something along the lines of "Through an online posting, those who responded were directed to go to a predetermined location" in every story about BP stings. It's because LEO wants the home field advantage, doesn't play fair, and wants as close to total control of the situation as possible. Literally everything is working against LEO in an outcall situation. When you do see an outcall sting it's LEO who are playing the part of the monger at a location of their choosing, not the other way around.
Also, Uncle loves to publicize stings. And because of the complicated logistics involved and the number of personnel required to pull off that type of operation they like to bust as many people as possible while they have the chance; they don't bust just one person and call it a day. I've done a number of searches for the incident in The Villages and haven't found any news articles about it. In fact, I've not found a single article about anyone anywhere getting busted at their own house unless they were running a brothel. I can't say with any degree of certainty that it didn't happen, but that type of bust isn't going to happen often, and a monger would have to be extremely careless to allow the circumstances whereby they'd fall prey to it.
An outcall is always going to be a safer bet, at least from this perspective, than incall or a SW, but I still wouldn't advise doing one at my house for various reasons, at least not for the first meeting or even the first few. The safest option is a location, away from home, of your choosing. Do all the safety and review checks in advance, be smart, and hope that karma is on your side.