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[QUOTE=Terryk;1306725]I'm wondering about her to let us no if you see her[/QUOTE]As I recall from others having used her services, it is not as it appears. It is an accurate picture of her but the services are non-existant. I believe the ending is a self serve, if that is what you are looking for then you will be satisfied. If you seek more, you will be less than happy. Do not waste your time. As always.
When I was on before, I remember classy, smart, clean providers advertising here. What the hell happened, all we have now is unclean, bitchy women who obviously don't give a fuck what we really think. With the exception of summer who I have seen many times, and a couple others with actual *real* and *awesome* reviews, the majority of these women aren't worth seeing. They are over priced, bitchy, and will not negotiate or make an effort to make sure your a king while getting a massage. This is bullshit guys, lets weed out the women who don't seem to give a damn. If you have seen any of our forum advertisers, start posting! I want to know that my gut feeling is right! They give you nothing for free so do not sugar coat your posts, or simply not post. Lets make them accountable for their actions, and when they see the error of their ways, they just may move on or be what we want them to. I for one wouldn't see a bitchy woman, or an unclean woman, or one that I don't have a good vibe about. So now if no one posts on the ones in question I will assume that they haven't seen any senior members on here. I take the words of a senior member as gospel. With the economy, and services, and looks and hygiene, I can't see paying more than SW pay for any of them except the ones with real and awesome reviews. It seems they think we have slim pickens here, and absolutely have to see them, well I say stand up guys and lets take the board back and show them who really pays their bills. I remember when rogoh, whodeyman, wingman, cincyeast, harpo, stimulus, strip junkie, randyman, golfcart, lugnutz, bill fanta, ceenote, ezenuff and others would openly share intel among seniors. What the hell happened to all that? The ones mentioned as well as others I may have overlooked are seniors for a reason. They paid the price, they got their feet wet, they have spent mass amounts of money to help us out. Let's get back to the glory days brothers! Let's hold the women here, as well as other members accountable! I am massagefreak, and I approve this message.
Nice speech! I agree with you. There used to be better intel passed around, on the board and through pms. I think for the most part with the shitty economy guys are pulling in their horns, so to speak.
It's hard to part with money on an unknown. In the past TOFTT was part of doing business. Now that $ or $$ is more serious business.
On the flip side though, there are some good sides to the downturn, you get some really low milage amateurs out there trying to make a buck! Some don't know their worth, some vastly overestimate it. Tried both, and am sticking with a few under the radar
Girls that under price themselves!
I still have few known good providers that I will see, basically because they harass the shit out of me, LOL. But for the most part I've been working too damn hard to make a buck, and sex comes just after food and shelter, LOL.
Ez
[QUOTE=Massagefreak;1311141]When I was on before, I remember classy, smart, clean providers advertising here. What the hell happened, all we have now is unclean, bitchy women who obviously don't give a fuck what we really think. With the exception of summer who I have seen many times, and a couple others with actual *real* and *awesome* reviews, the majority of these women aren't worth seeing. They are over priced, bitchy, and will not negotiate or make an effort to make sure your a king while getting a massage. This is bullshit guys, lets weed out the women who don't seem to give a damn. I remember when rogoh, whodeyman, wingman, cincyeast, harpo, stimulus, strip junkie, randyman, golfcart, lugnutz, bill fanta, ceenote, ezenuff and others would openly share intel among seniors. What the hell happened to all that? The ones mentioned as well as others I may have overlooked are seniors for a reason. They paid the price, they got their feet wet, they have spent mass amounts of money to help us out. Let's get back to the glory days brothers! Let's hold the women here, as well as other members accountable! I am massagefreak, and I approve this message.[/QUOTE]Massagefreak.
I too would like to say nice speech. I also agree that the amount of very valuable info has decreased on this site, but there still is a lot if one takes the time to weed through. I have not been very active and that is due to medical reasons (it is pure hell to get older when it becomes patch, patch and re-patch) and it may still be a while before I am again active. I do read the post and hold my tongue when I see a post where someone has not taken the time to RTFF.
We in this area should be very happy with the number of very high rated providers. I won't try and list them and I do not want to leave anyone out. I travel a lot and read this forum in every city I visit. The high number of positive reviews for many providers does not exist anywhere else in the USA
I also want to thank all the Seniors that still communicate via PMs and those that have passed on info to me over the years.
I am looking forward to when I can see some of our great providers, but it does look like it may be a while. Stay safe everyone and hope everyone has lots of fun during the upcoming holiday seasons (whatever holiday you celebrate).
Rog
Some years ago on another board a guy ripped the ladies who were overpriced and in it mostly for the money. Promised you a lot and gave up very little. They formed a clique of ladies and ran off the guys who didn't go along with their shit and bow down to them. They got one guy banned from the boards for ripping them to shreds publicly and the other board moderator banned his azz for doing so. The board is now mostly sh*t and the ladies who do post now from what I have seen are few and far between locals or traveling ladies coming through. Most ladies do not seem to understand that discretionary income is at a premium and when a man spends it he wants to get what HE wants for his time. I agree with the poster who said if a lady is overpriced don't see her. What a lady has is a a dime a dozen. What she has to offer is service and the illusion that for her time she is your woman for play. That is why we are on here isn't it? What we want is her time and serice for our wants. For the ladies who understand that it means in this economy you actually have to have multiple clients to get the discretionary income. Not a couple of johns and every two or three days for high rent.
Another thing is false advertising or creative advertising. The ladies who post, I will do what your wife won't. Ladies do you realize what that means? It is what some of us are looking for since we aren't getting it at home. The ladies who are open to taking care of us are appreciated. The bitches who advertise GFE then don't kiss, don't DATY, don't give good head but still want the franklins, fk you. Ain't happening and for those who advertise FS GFE and PSE and don't come across, don't see them and put their names out there. There is a chick on the Indiana board named Farrah. Advertises FULL GFE NOT. Unless you want to get hit with UPSELL Get rid of them also. A total waste of time.
I have found two ladies who are golden and no upsell, Melissa thanks to a member here and another lady I am seeing UTR. Both LOVE what they do and are damned good at it and NO UPSELL and REASONABLE as you can imagine with few NOS! Hope you all are not put off by the rant but this kiss my ass and fill my pockets attitude of so many ladies wears very thin. There isn't a POA in the world worth 3 franklins an hour and that includes my old lady who is why I am on here. Have a great day guys and thanks to all the members who have helped me get started in this and suggested some very fine ladies to see which is why I am on here.
Any lady who has VORACIOUS appetites a reasonable need and will rock my socks and other areas to the fullest is free to contact me PM. Right now I have two super ladies who are making me feel like a king with jelly legs and completely drained, and I am trying to be generous to them for doing so. That's the way it should work at least for me.
Well put my old friend! I agree with you. But EZ has also had some good imput. Times are tough out there. Hobbists and quality providers out there will echo the same thoughts. I personally don't have the time or resources as in the "glory" days! LOL! Staying like EZ with 1-2 or two when I can. Not that I don't have a pulse on the action out there, as I do! Just saying.
WM.
[QUOTE=Massagefreak;1311141]When I was on before, I remember classy, smart, clean providers advertising here. What the hell happened, all we have now is unclean, bitchy women who obviously don't give a fuck what we really think. With the exception of summer who I have seen many times, and a couple others with actual *real* and *awesome* reviews, the majority of these women aren't worth seeing. They are over priced, bitchy, and will not negotiate or make an effort to make sure your a king while getting a massage. This is bullshit guys, lets weed out the women who don't seem to give a damn. If you have seen any of our forum advertisers, start posting! I want to know that my gut feeling is right! They give you nothing for free so do not sugar coat your posts, or simply not post. Lets make them accountable for their actions, and when they see the error of their ways, they just may move on or be what we want them to. I for one wouldn't see a bitchy woman, or an unclean woman, or one that I don't have a good vibe about. So now if no one posts on the ones in question I will assume that they haven't seen any senior members on here. I take the words of a senior member as gospel. With the economy, and services, and looks and hygiene, I can't see paying more than SW pay for any of them except the ones with real and awesome reviews. It seems they think we have slim pickens here, and absolutely have to see them, well I say stand up guys and lets take the board back and show them who really pays their bills. I remember when rogoh, whodeyman, wingman, cincyeast, harpo, stimulus, strip junkie, randyman, golfcart, lugnutz, bill fanta, ceenote, ezenuff and others would openly share intel among seniors. What the hell happened to all that? The ones mentioned as well as others I may have overlooked are seniors for a reason. They paid the price, they got their feet wet, they have spent mass amounts of money to help us out. Let's get back to the glory days brothers! Let's hold the women here, as well as other members accountable! I am massagefreak, and I approve this message.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BigMack; 1312031]Some years ago on another board a guy ripped the ladies who were overpriced and in it mostly for the money. Promised you a lot and gave up very little. They formed a clique of ladies and ran off the guys who didn't go along with their shit and bow down to them. They got one guy banned from the boards for ripping them to shreds publicly and the other board moderator banned his azz for doing so. The board is now mostly sh*t and the ladies who do post now from what I have seen are few and far between locals or traveling ladies coming through. Most ladies do not seem to understand that discretionary income is at a premium and when a man spends it he wants to get what HE wants for his time. I agree with the poster who said if a lady is overpriced don't see her. What a lady has is a a dime a dozen. What she has to offer is service and the illusion that for her time she is your woman for play. That is why we are on here isn't it? What we want is her time and serice for our wants. For the ladies who understand that it means in this economy you actually have to have multiple clients to get the discretionary income. Not a couple of johns and every two or three days for high rent.
Another thing is false advertising or creative advertising. The ladies who post, I will do what your wife won't. Ladies do you realize what that means? It is what some of us are looking for since we aren't getting it at home. The ladies who are open to taking care of us are appreciated. The bitches who advertise GFE then don't kiss, don't DATY, don't give good head but still want the franklins, fk you. Ain't happening and for those who advertise FS GFE and PSE and don't come across, don't see them and put their names out there. There is a chick on the Indiana board named Farrah. Advertises FULL GFE NOT. Unless you want to get hit with UPSELL Get rid of them also. A total waste of time.
I have found two ladies who are golden and no upsell, Melissa thanks to a member here and another lady I am seeing UTR. Both LOVE what they do and are damned good at it and NO UPSELL and REASONABLE as you can imagine with few NOS! Hope you all are not put off by the rant but this kiss my ass and fill my pockets attitude of so many ladies wears very thin. There isn't a POA in the world worth 3 franklins an hour and that includes my old lady who is why I am on here. Have a great day guys and thanks to all the members who have helped me get started in this and suggested some very fine ladies to see which is why I am on here.
Any lady who has VORACIOUS appetites a reasonable need and will rock my socks and other areas to the fullest is free to contact me PM. Right now I have two super ladies who are making me feel like a king with jelly legs and completely drained, and I am trying to be generous to them for doing so. That's the way it should work at least for me.[/QUOTE]I couldn't agree with you more.
A lot of alleged providers are ruining it for the legit ones. I read the review here and on another site and it seems that the majority of BP advertisers are scammers in one way or another.
I have been in the honny for 25+ years and up until about the last 3 years hardly ever heard of a scam. The hobby was best when the rate was 1. 75 at best.
I have one great provider who splits her time between her and the Southwest so I am looking for a provider who is in town and will outcall to my place. I'll keep looking but it ain't easy.
Thanks for your writing. If you have any suggestions, pass them on.
About ten years ago there was a forum in Cincinnati run by a fellow who called himself "the Mayor". (The forum has since folded.)
The talk on this now-defunct forum was generally very frank as it was hobbyists only. As you all know, the tendency these days is to have more mixed (hobbyists and providers) forums. This has advantages and disadvantages, of course.
One disadvantage of *any* mixed forum is that many guys (myself included) don't always feel comfortable making statements about quality, pricing, etc. Of course, I will call out an outright fraud, but I might pull punches when it comes to factors that are more subject to interpretation / opinion.
I don't know if others struggle with this issue or not.
I too have been staying utr. I have been only seeing a few regulars 4 or 5 and sometimes I see a newbie. Not as much as I have been in the past, some of the ladys out there I just won"t see based on other mongers reports. The women that I do see now are wonderful, clean, and work with me on donations to them because I am their regular. Bailey has to be the best of them, She is very very low volume. With the experence of sara tt. Just downright smoking hot. But will only see 1 to 3 guys a week. Extreame newbie will great skills!
Seniors and trusted members only may pm me for more info on her. Alot of the mongers from the past I hardly see on here. I am sure there reading but not posting. And most of the post are just not worth reading, the bitching and attacking of other members or the rtff post are just worthless. We are here to help one another and earn respect and treat everyone the same as when we first started. So with that being said everyone take care and Stay Safe!
Wdm.
[QUOTE=Massagefreak;1311141]When I was on before, I remember classy, smart, clean providers advertising here. What the hell happened, all we have now is unclean, bitchy women who obviously don't give a fuck what we really think. With the exception of summer who I have seen many times, and a couple others with actual *real* and *awesome* reviews, the majority of these women aren't worth seeing. They are over priced, bitchy, and will not negotiate or make an effort to make sure your a king while getting a massage. This is bullshit guys, lets weed out the women who don't seem to give a damn. If you have seen any of our forum advertisers, start posting! I want to know that my gut feeling is right! They give you nothing for free so do not sugar coat your posts, or simply not post. Lets make them accountable for their actions, and when they see the error of their ways, they just may move on or be what we want them to. I for one wouldn't see a bitchy woman, or an unclean woman, or one that I don't have a good vibe about. So now if no one posts on the ones in question I will assume that they haven't seen any senior members on here. I take the words of a senior member as gospel. With the economy, and services, and looks and hygiene, I can't see paying more than SW pay for any of them except the ones with real and awesome reviews. It seems they think we have slim pickens here, and absolutely have to see them, well I say stand up guys and lets take the board back and show them who really pays their bills. I remember when rogoh, whodeyman, wingman, cincyeast, harpo, stimulus, strip junkie, randyman, golfcart, lugnutz, bill fanta, ceenote, ezenuff and others would openly share intel among seniors. What the hell happened to all that? The ones mentioned as well as others I may have overlooked are seniors for a reason. They paid the price, they got their feet wet, they have spent mass amounts of money to help us out. Let's get back to the glory days brothers! Let's hold the women here, as well as other members accountable! I am massagefreak, and I approve this message.[/QUOTE]
I completely agree with you todd. However when the situation is generally the same across the board, whether good or bad, it is the duty of the forum members to enlighten everyone else. Yes I am a big mouth and may speak to quickly sometimes, but I don't lie or mislead, if I am given info from a senior member I take it as true, as well as give my own true intel. I completely agree with you, and yes sometimes YMMV, but we all should still share. If the provider knows we are sharing they may change their services to make the next client happy. Thanks for the input bro!
[QUOTE=Todd Cincy; 1312362]About ten years ago there was a forum in Cincinnati run by a fellow who called himself "the Mayor". (The forum has since folded.)
The talk on this now-defunct forum was generally very frank as it was hobbyists only. As you all know, the tendency these days is to have more mixed (hobbyists and providers) forums. This has advantages and disadvantages, of course.
One disadvantage of *any* mixed forum is that many guys (myself included) don't always feel comfortable making statements about quality, pricing, etc. Of course, I will call out an outright fraud, but I might pull punches when it comes to factors that are more subject to interpretation / opinion.
I don't know if others struggle with this issue or not.[/QUOTE]
While I don't really have a view either way on mixed forums at this point, this post really does point out one of the disadvantages of mixed forums; another major factor in the quality of reviews is the abilty to post an honest review without fear. I've seen a number of times where someone has posted a less than stellar review and if it happens to be of Seniors "favorites." Watching those Seniors POUNCE on them amazes me. Clearly, they are more concerned with how they look in the Provider's eyes than in realizing the fact that not every experience is going to be so stellar, whether from the pespective of the Hobbyist or the Provider. It is a very legitimate fear, and it discourages people from posting "honest" reviews. When honesty and objectivity is lost, so goes the true value.
Just my 2 cents.
CFG.
[QUOTE=Todd Cincy; 1312362]About ten years ago there was a forum in Cincinnati run by a fellow who called himself "the Mayor". (The forum has since folded.)
The talk on this now-defunct forum was generally very frank as it was hobbyists only. As you all know, the tendency these days is to have more mixed (hobbyists and providers) forums. This has advantages and disadvantages, of course.
One disadvantage of *any* mixed forum is that many guys (myself included) don't always feel comfortable making statements about quality, pricing, etc. Of course, I will call out an outright fraud, but I might pull punches when it comes to factors that are more subject to interpretation / opinion.
I don't know if others struggle with this issue or not.[/QUOTE]
Amen Brothers.
Be open and honest in your evals. I sure don't have the play funds I had. If I waste it on some less-than stellar experience, I really feel it. It used to be. Just chalk one up. Now I rely on what is said here. Please share.
[QUOTE=Cincyfunguy; 1312390]While I don't really have a view either way on mixed forums at this point, this post really does point out one of the disadvantages of mixed forums; another major factor in the quality of reviews is the abilty to post an honest review without fear. I've seen a number of times where someone has posted a less than stellar review and if it happens to be of Seniors "favorites." Watching those Seniors POUNCE on them amazes me. Clearly, they are more concerned with how they look in the Provider's eyes than in realizing the fact that not every experience is going to be so stellar, whether from the pespective of the Hobbyist or the Provider. It is a very legitimate fear, and it discourages people from posting "honest" reviews. When honesty and objectivity is lost, so goes the true value.
Just my 2 cents.
CFG.[/QUOTE]
Alright fellows, I know who this nubie provider is. She is legit, pics are real (hear there are new and better coming soon!). Not a scam or rip off! Just learning the ropes! She is a very sweet lady and will treat you right. That you have my word on! Wingman Approved! Senoirs and only respected regulars can PM me. Sorry, anyone else, go fish and don't even go there! I will not respond.
WMT
[QUOTE=Massagefreak;1311141]When I was on before, I remember classy, smart, clean providers advertising here. What the hell happened, all we have now is unclean, bitchy women who obviously don't give a fuck what we really think. With the exception of summer who I have seen many times, and a couple others with actual *real* and *awesome* reviews, the majority of these women aren't worth seeing. They are over priced, bitchy, and will not negotiate or make an effort to make sure your a king while getting a massage. This is bullshit guys, lets weed out the women who don't seem to give a damn. If you have seen any of our forum advertisers, start posting! I want to know that my gut feeling is right! They give you nothing for free so do not sugar coat your posts, or simply not post. Lets make them accountable for their actions, and when they see the error of their ways, they just may move on or be what we want them to. I for one wouldn't see a bitchy woman, or an unclean woman, or one that I don't have a good vibe about. So now if no one posts on the ones in question I will assume that they haven't seen any senior members on here. I take the words of a senior member as gospel. With the economy, and services, and looks and hygiene, I can't see paying more than SW pay for any of them except the ones with real and awesome reviews. It seems they think we have slim pickens here, and absolutely have to see them, well I say stand up guys and lets take the board back and show them who really pays their bills. I remember when rogoh, whodeyman, wingman, cincyeast, harpo, stimulus, strip junkie, randyman, golfcart, lugnutz, bill fanta, ceenote, ezenuff and others would openly share intel among seniors. What the hell happened to all that? The ones mentioned as well as others I may have overlooked are seniors for a reason. They paid the price, they got their feet wet, they have spent mass amounts of money to help us out. Let's get back to the glory days brothers! Let's hold the women here, as well as other members accountable! I am massagefreak, and I approve this message.[/QUOTE]Personally, I'm not on the board as much because of the lack of quality info. I haven't been as active, mostly seeing some regulars. Haven't been on the Chatlines much recently, though I'll probably make another run pretty soon. And, honestly, there's been enough sniping and in-fighting on the boards over the years that I'm not as motivated to share the info I have with everyone here, particularly when it's positive. If it's something that's a real certified danger to people and I know about it, or it's a plain ripoff, I'll share it broadly. Or on chat, if I find one that's good, I'll generally let people know because there are too many dangers lurking there not to make info about the good ones public, because I'd like to keep them in business.
Finally. Some time to myself. Saw Summer last night in her temporary Florence location (she is moving today).
I will just say the best time I have ever had. Total GFE and a sweetheart to boot. Love her slightly southern accent.
Be safe.
HM