"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Yes. I have used it to chat with couple of SA POTs. On this particular Kik account I was able to do so by providing a google voice phone number. I don't need to reveal the actual phone number to Google as long as I'm not using the actual phone to make or receive calls from the Google voice number.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3213142]Can one stay anonymous using KIK? I thought it was tied into one's real phone number and thus made one traceable ultimately? Figured that was why the scammers on CL used it, just another method of generating sources for spam & phishing? Never used it so asking.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, kik is safe. WhatsApp is the one that's tied to your phone #. Check out the Sudo app as well guys. Far easier than Google Voice and you can create a new number in seconds.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3213142]Can one stay anonymous using KIK? I thought it was tied into one's real phone number and thus made one traceable ultimately? Figured that was why the scammers on CL used it, just another method of generating sources for spam & phishing? Never used it so asking.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomas247;3213353]Yeah, kik is safe. WhatsApp is the one that's tied to your phone #. Check out the Sudo app as well guys. Far easier than Google Voice and you can create a new number in seconds.[/QUOTE]Not trying to be difficult, but every time I go to install an App it wants permission to track my location, access to my camera or photos and other places on the phone that have nothing to do with the stated purpose of the App. So how can adding Apps to a phone registered in my real name be a good thing?

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3213437]Not trying to be difficult, but every time I go to install an App it wants permission to track my location, access to my camera or photos and other places on the phone that have nothing to do with the stated purpose of the App. So how can adding Apps to a phone registered in my real name be a good thing?[/QUOTE]Well, Kik wants to access your photos so you can send photos.

It wants to access your mic in case you want to record video or voice chat.

It wants to record location so that you can drop pins and let someone know where you are.

You don't have to allow it access to any of those things to actually use the app.

[QUOTE=Lebruno;3212813]One of the key goals I have set for myself in 2017 is to improve my overall sexual health. I'm currently overweight by 15 pounds. And, my body fat is in low 20's. I'd like to bring it down to mid-teens. As regards sexual performance I'd like to improve upon the endurance so I can keep going at it longer as well as shoot for multiple pops. Now, I have a general idea that improving heart health would improve one's sexual health. But I would like to know more specifics. For one, I want to ask the seniors here as to what specific conditioning exercises have given the most bang for the buck in the bowl. Two, what about diet? Does a low carb diet help one get better sex? And, I enjoy masterbation 3-4 times a week. Is there any correlation on one's one's sexual performance. Ofcourse, I use V from time to time and I can't undermine its benefits. However, I want V to supplement what I could perhaps naturally improve upon. Thanks brothers.[/QUOTE]Think of your heart as the power supply for your dick, so basically intense cardio is probably going to give you the most bang for the buck while fucking (in terms of erection performance and overall physical endurance). Running is one of the more intense cardio activities (or at least it can be depending on how fast and for how long a duration). Someone once said the longer and harder you run the longer and harder you'll be. If your body is not used to very intense workouts you should plan on working up to it slowly, this applies to anything not just running. 15 lbs over probably won't take you very long to lose depending on many factors, but keep in mind until the weight is gone you shouldn't run as intensely as possible, 15 extra lbs is actually a lot of extra weight to lug around and can increase your chance of injury. Weight training is essential too, it helps boost your testosterone. Again though if you're not used to working out regularly, your initial challenge is probably going to be resisting the urge to overdo it while you get started. Start slowly and work your way up. If I were 15 lbs over, I'd probably go for lighter jogging (meaning sustained heart rate in the "weight loss" range rather than intense cardio for not too long a duration), and high-repetitions with lower weight amounts. Then by the time you get between 4-5 lbs of your target body weight, increase the intensity (faster running, longer durations). Your risk of injury is lower once you've gotten the first 10 or so lbs off so you can turn it up a bit. With weights your goal here is just to maintain proper form, don't do anything that results in an injury or pain beyond mild muscle fatigue and soreness. The purpose here is not to go for measurable strength increases, gain muscle mass or anything like that. For purposes of banging girls the reason to do it is because of the benefits of higher testosterone production, and you don't have to take crazy risks to do that. There are a lot of different ways to work out that would get you to the same place but cardio is key one way or another.

Diet gets really subjective because of individual preferences, so I'll just say there's a lot of good info on diet on the net. Fish & poultry, veggies, fruits, etc. If I'm feeling 3-4 pounds over where I want to be, I'll eat something like a broiled salmon salad after a workout and it seems like I'm back to my ideal self. Even wearing an extra 5-6 pounds and I can start to feel the hit on my sex life. Once you get where you want to be you can usually stray a bit as long as you work out a few times a week. Your body just kind of accepts that you're committed to working out regularly at some point, and just won't fall too far out of shape even if you eat pizza and beer occasionally.

As an experiment I continued to chat. Two fantastic moments "what would you do if I took out my IUD" and "can you buy me a diamond ring to wear"? Oh and she was totally comfortable saying she loves me. Sight unseen.

[QUOTE=GuyInTheCorner;3206810]POT has a breeding fetish. Ok I can handle that. And it's an excuse to go BB, since she has an IUD. As we are enjoying the dirty talk she asks "well what if I get pregnant for real?" I let her go first and she says she wants to keep it because she doesn't believe in abortion. And then proceeds to talk about being my secret family and totally getting off on it. This is an educated professional 20-something white girl.

Though I am ashamed to admit the sheer level of crazy is kind of a huge turn on. I may have egged her on to see how far down the rabbit hole she would go. (The answer is that she wants me to get two other friends / SDs to join us for the BB breeding sessions.

This has made me realize that it's time to get out. Some of these girls are truly wacko. And I am getting turned on by seriously dangerous shit. At least this girl is open about it. The one that doesn't say anything is the real problem.

Later boys. Stay safe and sane. It's been real.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GuyInTheCorner;3214208]As an experiment I continued to chat. Two fantastic moments "what would you do if I took out my IUD" and "can you buy me a diamond ring to wear"? Oh and she was totally comfortable saying she loves me. Sight unseen.[/QUOTE]You're SURE she's not a catfish?

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3214253]You're SURE she's not a catfish?[/QUOTE]Totally sure. Found her real FB Page and it is super populated over many years. She's 100% real.

[QUOTE=GuyInTheCorner;3214255]Totally sure. Found her real FB Page and it is super populated over many years. She's 100% real.[/QUOTE]Sounds like she is a master head game player! Fwiw. Thought most guys liked that kinda thing? Real life Survivor, Big Brother House and Marriage Boot Camp all rolled into one price!

No, the other kind. I have had a lot of luck lately downloading girl's profile pics and then opening them w / a viewing app (Preview on a Mac in my case). With the Inspector command, you get all the meta data connected w / the photo. In about half the cases, I get the GPS data from the iPhone she used to take the selfie. One click and a map opens up w / her location. You don't have to get creepy about it, it is just a way to confirm she is who / what she says.

Others have noted a correlation between the moon and SB activities. We are coming off a new moon, but in about a week we will have a full moon and I expect our action on SA will pick up dramatically. I have now bookmarked a site that shows the phase so I can keep up w / this factor.

This is amazing. Thanks for sharing. I always believed that SA automatically scrubs out any metadata that's on the pics (based off my initial downloads. But sounds like my experience was specific to those users).

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3214966]No, the other kind. I have had a lot of luck lately downloading girl's profile pics and then opening them w / a viewing app (Preview on a Mac in my case). With the Inspector command, you get all the meta data connected w / the photo. In about half the cases, I get the GPS data from the iPhone she used to take the selfie. One click and a map opens up w / her location. You don't have to get creepy about it, it is just a way to confirm she is who / what she says.[/QUOTE]

Wow! Congrats on shedding 40 lbs. Even though you gained some of it back you already know the secret sauce for losing the gut.

After your mention of death grip I figured that's one of my sexual issues as well. And, I didn't know that they have a term for that. LOL.

I did want to buy fleshlight few years ago but did not as the thought of cleanup of the toy was too much for me to go through. But I guess it might worth a try if it could help death grip issue.

Hope you hit your goal weight soon enough and get to dig many many more pussies.

[QUOTE=Tomas247;3212838]I lost 40 lbs last year doing low carb. I had the hardest erections of my life when I was very strict. I did end up gaining 20 lbs back for a net loss of 20 lbs, but I'm going to try to lose 30 total this year, putting me around 175.

When I've cut my masturbation down to 1-2 time per week, rather than daily, and use a Fleshlight, I perform much better with providers. I have a bit of a "death grip" issue, and it got to the point where I couldn't even feel when I was inside sometimes.

V helps a lot with that though. I actually get it from ADC and I get the 100 MG "Manly" branded generic. It works freaking great for me and makes it easier to go 2 pops in an hour. Shipping takes 3 weeks to VA though, and you have to be home to sign for it, which sucks. But it's legit.

Good luck on your goals. Last year I lost 8-10 lbs per month doing strict low carb <20 g per day.[/QUOTE]

Thanks JZL. Appreciate the precise and specific inputs on what needs to be done. Your point about urge to overdo working out is so very true. Six months ago I signed up for crossfit and pushed myself too hard to go from low-fit to super-fit too soon. Within few weeks I sustained tendon injuries that forced me to get off the program or be able to do any fitness exercise. Now that my injuries have mostly healed I am ready to get back on to an exercise schedule. But this time I will be extra careful not to overdo it. There is perhaps one more important point to add to your excellent summarization on sexual health. Adequate rest and sleep. From time to time I have suffered from insomnia due to work related travel. Reduced / inconsistent sleep has had a direct impact on my recovery as well as sexual performance. I guess a conscious planning and prep for one's rest and sleep is as important as planning for one's activities during the day.

[QUOTE=JZLizard;3213601]Think of your heart as the power supply for your dick, so basically intense cardio is probably going to give you the most bang for the buck while fucking (in terms of erection performance and overall physical endurance). Running is one of the more intense cardio activities (or at least it can be depending on how fast and for how long a duration). Someone once said the longer and harder you run the longer and harder you'll be. If your body is not used to very intense workouts you should plan on working up to it slowly, this applies to anything not just running. 15 lbs over probably won't take you very long to lose depending on many factors, but keep in mind until the weight is gone you shouldn't run as intensely as possible, 15 extra lbs is actually a lot of extra weight to lug around and can increase your chance of injury. Weight training is essential too, it helps boost your testosterone. Again though if you're not used to working out regularly, your initial challenge is probably going to be resisting the urge to overdo it while you get started. Start slowly and work your way up. If I were 15 lbs over, I'd probably go for lighter jogging (meaning sustained heart rate in the "weight loss" range rather than intense cardio for not too long a duration), and high-repetitions with lower weight amounts. Then by the time you get between 4-5 lbs of your target body weight, increase the intensity (faster running, longer durations). Your risk of injury is lower once you've gotten the first 10 or so lbs off so you can turn it up a bit. With weights your goal here is just to maintain proper form, don't do anything that results in an injury or pain beyond mild muscle fatigue and soreness. The purpose here is not to go for measurable strength increases, gain muscle mass or anything like that. For purposes of banging girls the reason to do it is because of the benefits of higher testosterone production, and you don't have to take crazy risks to do that. There are a lot of different ways to work out that would get you to the same place but cardio is key one way or another.

Diet gets really subjective because of individual preferences, so I'll just say there's a lot of good info on diet on the net. Fish & poultry, veggies, fruits, etc. If I'm feeling 3-4 pounds over where I want to be, I'll eat something like a broiled salmon salad after a workout and it seems like I'm back to my ideal self. Even wearing an extra 5-6 pounds and I can start to feel the hit on my sex life. Once you get where you want to be you can usually stray a bit as long as you work out a few times a week. Your body just kind of accepts that you're committed to working out regularly at some point, and just won't fall too far out of shape even if you eat pizza and beer occasionally.[/QUOTE]

Thanks! And since I kept track of my weight daily, I know exactly how it should fall off over the next few months. That 20 lbs that I gained back should be gone by mid February. A lot of it is water weight from eating carbs.

And yes, deathgrip is a serious issue. Some people have issue with porn desensitizing them to sex, but not me. My issue has always been tugging too tight to the point that you can hardly even feel when you're inside a real pussy. Thus, you just lose your erection.

So basically, to cure it, you need to lay off wanking it for a bit. At least a week. And then, when you start back, ALWAYS use the Fleshlight. It's not that hard to clean. I just squirt some soap in it, run warm water through it, dry it slightly, and put it back into hiding LOL. I've had the original one for over 8 years, and I even use silicon lube with it, and it's in as good of condition as the day I bought it. I think the original, super tight, feels better than any other sleeve I have, including the STU. It feels just like some tight asian pussy!

[QUOTE=Lebruno;3215917]Wow! Congrats on shedding 40 lbs. Even though you gained some of it back you already know the secret sauce for losing the gut.

After your mention of death grip I figured that's one of my sexual issues as well. And, I didn't know that they have a term for that. LOL.

I did want to buy fleshlight few years ago but did not as the thought of cleanup of the toy was too much for me to go through. But I guess it might worth a try if it could help death grip issue.

Hope you hit your goal weight soon enough and get to dig many many more pussies.[/QUOTE]

Newly registered member here. I've been lurking for a while reading the forum, but wanted to chime in now that I've pulled the trigger and opened a SA profile. Thanks to this forum and plenty of experiences to read about, I'm feeling pretty confident as I enter this game. The SA account has been surprisingly productive so far. Only been on the site 2 days and I have plenty of POTS that I've already begun talking with, exchanging numbers with. I do travel, so I'm excited to see how well this works in various places. Anyways, my post is a bit off the trending topic, just wanted to say thanks.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3215148]Others have noted a correlation between the moon and SB activities. We are coming off a new moon, but in about a week we will have a full moon and I expect our action on SA will pick up dramatically. I have now bookmarked a site that shows the phase so I can keep up w / this factor.[/QUOTE]Careful trying to get to sucked in to causality.

I saw a huge spike in SB activity, but I attribute it to -- girls on break from college needing spending money and having some time; New Years resolutions to get out of debt or more out of life; women overspening at the holidays; mid-20's / early 30's gals annoyed by their families asking why they aren't married / depressed not having NYE dates, being alone for the holidays.

While after proximity to other women, lunar cycles is a high ranking impact on menstrual cycles, I don't think the moon is what's driving the recent spate of horny babes.

At least at the moment you can use NY resolutions as the excuse, but sudden weight loss / interest in fitness is a high ranking sign someone is cheating.

[QUOTE=Cbcb2226;3216370]Newly registered member here. I've been lurking for a while reading the forum, but wanted to chime in now that I've pulled the trigger and opened a SA profile. Thanks to this forum and plenty of experiences to read about, I'm feeling pretty confident as I enter this game. The SA account has been surprisingly productive so far. Only been on the site 2 days and I have plenty of POTS that I've already begun talking with, exchanging numbers with. I do travel, so I'm excited to see how well this works in various places. Anyways, my post is a bit off the trending topic, just wanted to say thanks.[/QUOTE]Welcome to the forum and to the Brotherhood of the Bowl.

Always nice to see one who is willing to read the history and learn from it. That is why some post- to leave tracks for others. I learned the various forms of mongering from reading here AND asking questions. Many knowledgeable & helpful gents around. Have been pleased to cut down on the "experiential learning" due to the kindnesses here.

So stop in from time to time, share some experiences, ask a question or just tell a story!

Stay safe & play hard!

Need some advice gentlemen. This is a SB I've been talk to for several weeks. She's been out of town on winter break, and we've just been getting to know each other over text and stuff. We're planning to meet when she gets back to town in a week or two.

A few days ago I mentioned to her that I was looking for an intimate arrangement to which she replied that intimacy is something that is expected and that she enjoys, but friendship is also important to her. And regarding expectation she said.

"In terms of motivations and expectations, I'm not desperate for money, but college is expensive and it's nice to occasionally be able to buy nice things. I set financial expectations as "practical" which has a numerical value somewhere on this site. As I'm aware that most people favor a "per meeting" arrangement, it's still a decent guideline depending on how frequently you'd like to meet and what you think my time is worth.

I was thinking about telling her that I generally budget $100-200 per intimate meeting, depending on the circumstances, several times per month. Do you all think this is reasonable? This is my first attempt with a SB, so I'm trying not to screw it up.

[QUOTE=Tomas247;3217493]Need some advice gentlemen. This is a SB I've been talk to for several weeks. She's been out of town on winter break, and we've just been getting to know each other over text and stuff. We're planning to meet when she gets back to town in a week or two.

A few days ago I mentioned to her that I was looking for an intimate arrangement to which she replied that intimacy is something that is expected and that she enjoys, but friendship is also important to her. And regarding expectation she said.

"In terms of motivations and expectations, I'm not desperate for money, but college is expensive and it's nice to occasionally be able to buy nice things. I set financial expectations as "practical" which has a numerical value somewhere on this site. As I'm aware that most people favor a "per meeting" arrangement, it's still a decent guideline depending on how frequently you'd like to meet and what you think my time is worth.

I was thinking about telling her that I generally budget $100-200 per intimate meeting, depending on the circumstances, several times per month. Do you all think this is reasonable? This is my first attempt with a SB, so I'm trying not to screw it up.[/QUOTE]What we think doesn't matter much. What she thinks is important and how good is your game to convince her to take your offer. Those that don't need money won't negotiate while the ones that do can be reasonable. The $ range girl is far and few. If she isn't happy with the $$ thank her and move on. Plenty out there that will accept that. Also remember some of these girls actually look at what your income listing is on your profile. $$ isn't much for a guy that's making 6 figures a year supposedly. Just give her your best shot and move on if it doesn't work out.

From your description it is quite clear that she values friendship or a personal connection more than other things. I'd suggest that you just go with the flow and make sure that a strong connection evolves naturally. I wouldn't discuss $$ per meet early on unless it is something that she brings it up before M&G. In many cases SBs prefer and appreciate quality time with SDs that provide lower allowances compared to creeps who are willing to spend more money.

[QUOTE=Tomas247;3217493]Need some advice gentlemen. This is a SB I've been talk to for several weeks. She's been out of town on winter break, and we've just been getting to know each other over text and stuff. We're planning to meet when she gets back to town in a week or two.

A few days ago I mentioned to her that I was looking for an intimate arrangement to which she replied that intimacy is something that is expected and that she enjoys, but friendship is also important to her. And regarding expectation she said.

"In terms of motivations and expectations, I'm not desperate for money, but college is expensive and it's nice to occasionally be able to buy nice things. I set financial expectations as "practical" which has a numerical value somewhere on this site. As I'm aware that most people favor a "per meeting" arrangement, it's still a decent guideline depending on how frequently you'd like to meet and what you think my time is worth.

I was thinking about telling her that I generally budget $100-200 per intimate meeting, depending on the circumstances, several times per month. Do you all think this is reasonable? This is my first attempt with a SB, so I'm trying not to screw it up.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomas247;3217493]Need some advice gentlemen. This is a SB I've been talk to for several weeks. She's been out of town on winter break, and we've just been getting to know each other over text and stuff. We're planning to meet when she gets back to town in a week or two.

A few days ago I mentioned to her that I was looking for an intimate arrangement to which she replied that intimacy is something that is expected and that she enjoys, but friendship is also important to her. And regarding expectation she said.

"In terms of motivations and expectations, I'm not desperate for money, but college is expensive and it's nice to occasionally be able to buy nice things. I set financial expectations as "practical" which has a numerical value somewhere on this site. As I'm aware that most people favor a "per meeting" arrangement, it's still a decent guideline depending on how frequently you'd like to meet and what you think my time is worth.

I was thinking about telling her that I generally budget $100-200 per intimate meeting, depending on the circumstances, several times per month. Do you all think this is reasonable? This is my first attempt with a SB, so I'm trying not to screw it up.[/QUOTE]You'll be fine as long as you have an abundance mentality. If she doesn't like your offer, there'll be other sb's who will accept. If someone doesn't like my offer, I'll often tell them that I am offering what other sugar babies in her area ask from me. That often pulls them down to a more reasonable number.

In your situation, it sounds like she doesn't want to commit to anything until she meets you. So do your quick meet and greet. If she feels the vibe with you, she'll say yes. If she doesn't feel the chemistry, she's never going to agree to a real sugar date, anyway. This is when basic hygiene and reasonable conversational game plays a big role.

If you think saying $100-200 per meet won't sound good, try framing it in weekly or monthly terms. Like if you find out she wants to meet 3 times a week, $600 per week or $2400 per month sounds more attractive than $200 per date.

Good luck!

[QUOTE=Tomas247;3217493]

"In terms of motivations and expectations, I'm not desperate for money, but college is expensive and it's nice to occasionally be able to buy nice things. I set financial expectations as "practical" which has a numerical value somewhere on this site. As I'm aware that most people favor a "per meeting" arrangement, it's still a decent guideline depending on how frequently you'd like to meet and what you think my time is worth..[/QUOTE]What OP have said is correct, mention your budget and move on if that doesn't work for her! The thought that you "might" scr*w it up" looks like one [i]could[/i] have a level of investment personally that isn't healthy. [u]NEVER fall in love with a provider.[/u] While it is 100% appropriate to treat a baby well, don't cross that invisible line or say things you don't mean. You don't need to play the "I love you" game to get in her pants.

What the girl is saying in the above quote is that she needs the money and willing to flatback for it. She just does NOT want to feel like a wh*re or feel the situation is "transactional. " Many dudes wander in the SB game because the quality is better than the BP drivel and they play the "game" only to move on after one trip to the FC. She wants to be treated well, establish an on-going thing with someone who she has some chemistry with. If you can establish that the rest kind of flows.

Kudos for standing up & asking the question!

Good luck!

Let us know how it turns out!

We need to remember, so many of these girls are not pro's and just testing the water. They need money, but don't want to feel like escorts. They understand intimacy is part if the equation, but want to rationalize b Inn their mind that it is not a straight "pay for play" arrangement.

[QUOTE=Lebruno;3217517]From your description it is quite clear that she values friendship or a personal connection more than other things. I'd suggest that you just go with the flow and make sure that a strong connection evolves naturally. I wouldn't discuss $$ per meet early on unless it is something that she brings it up before M&G. In many cases SBs prefer and appreciate quality time with SDs that provide lower allowances compared to creeps who are willing to spend more money.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for all the replies. I'm just going to go with the flow. If it doesn't work out, I'm fine with it. The chase is half the fun.

Hi sorry for non info post seeking assistance. I see many posts referring to "SA" I'm guessing this is not referring to the site "[URL]https://www.sa.org/[/URL]" aka Sexaholics Anonymous rather something which more along the line of the term seekingarrangement? Thanks in advance from a new guy.

LOL. Check [URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com[/URL].

[QUOTE=WillyHost;3218707]Hi sorry for non info post seeking assistance. I see many posts referring to "SA" I'm guessing this is not referring to the site "[URL]https://www.sa.org/[/URL]" aka Sexaholics Anonymous rather something which more along the line of the term seekingarrangement? Thanks in advance from a new guy.[/QUOTE]

Not meaning to tread old ground, complaining about GPS, but two contacts recently provided odd / interesting data points.

MnG w / an absolutely true high fashion model, 20's, knockout, tall, Slavic like they all are. SA username includes Lula. I asked her the craziest offer she'd had and she replied 8 K / mo. However, she said no b / c he was a creep. I'm a nice guy, she said she liked me, invited me over. Hmm. She said we should have a trial date before concluding an arrangement. I offered 800, and she turned me down - 1000 was her minimum. Not broken-hearted. I didn't feel any connection w / her.

Messaging today w / a 21 YO girl Ashley0895. She complains she can't find any guys she connects w / on SA, but thinks I'm nice. We're talking about meeting, and she wants to know what's possible. I direct her to the lifestyle on my profile (hers is Negotiable). The reply? Not good enough. She claims two friends get 10-15 k / mo, and one GF got a deposit put on a house (whatever that means. To buy? To rent? Vastly different). Finally she comes out with: "I know what I'm looking for is out there. " My reply was of course, I don't believe you, and if that guy is out there, go for it, girl. But, her complaint she couldn't find a 'connection' was actually that she couldn't find a guy who would pay insane amounts.

[QUOTE=WillyHost;3218707]Hi sorry for non info post seeking assistance. I see many posts referring to "SA" I'm guessing this is not referring to the site "[URL]https://www.sa.org/[/URL]" aka Sexaholics Anonymous rather something which more along the line of the term seekingarrangement? Thanks in advance from a new guy.[/QUOTE]Also, you might want to make use of this resource, right here on the Richmond thread (below this one on the list).

[B]Sugarbaby Thread Highlights, Index, and FAQ[/B]

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?15100-Sugarbaby-Thread-Highlights-Index-and-FAQ[/URL]

Post #2 has Common Acronyms and Phrases.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3218924]I offered 800, and she turned me down - 1000 was her minimum. Not broken-hearted. I didn't feel any connection w / her.

I direct her to the lifestyle on my profile (hers is Negotiable). The reply? Not good enough. She claims two friends get 10-15 k / mo, and one GF got a deposit put on a house (whatever that means. [/QUOTE]That 800 was just one date? Perhaps she could come around again, but prolly has idiot HW types that will over pay.

The second one might just come back later or be one to check in with in a month or so. She needs to learn that: 1) her friends are lying and / or 2) there are VERY fee dudes making down payments on RE and shs can make good money at $200 per date. GPS either learns or doesn't. It is kinda fun when they come back later and agree to the lower amount.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3219578]That 800 was just one date? Perhaps she could come around again, but prolly has idiot HW types that will over pay.

The second one might just come back later or be one to check in with in a month or so. She needs to learn that: 1) her friends are lying and / or 2) there are VERY fee dudes making down payments on RE and shs can make good money at $200 per date. GPS either learns or doesn't. It is kinda fun when they come back later and agree to the lower amount.[/QUOTE]Yep, I don't know why I picked that number, it was on the spur of the moment and I hadn't planned in advance, it seemed very generous to me. I'll say something I said to #2 regarding #1 - that old joke - 'would you sleep w / me for a million dollars?' what I learned about the model is that she won't sleep w / anyone at that crazy offer, but she specifically said she would do me for 1000 - that would be 4 K / mo for once / week, the amount someone w / a SO like me can get away from home for, and she hosts, so no hotel costs or risks. Showing how crazy #2 is. 10-15 K for college girls who probably don't know much about sex? I don't think so.

I honestly don't think she'll be coming back at me. She was pretty negative in her last message and I just blocked her. I've had contact w / other young ones here in OC who had the same attitude - 'I just can't find the right guy' 'money has been a problem with everyone I've messaged' - and the 'problem' is they are expecting those crazy #s.

The model probably does have a reasonable evaluation of what she can get, I just can't / don't want to pay it.

Not every gal who has high expectations -- especially relative to HWG's low ball strategies -- is about GPS.

A lot of it is about them keeping up the masquerade that they aren't escorts.

One recent GND, masters degree type drowning in student debt was pretty straight forward -- she does not want lavish gifts or experiences, just a nice dinner out and the ability to cover the monthly $1 k student loan payment. So she is looking for someone to meet 2-3 x a month for $4-500 per. Seeing someone regularly feels less whorish.

You have to play into the mindset -- when called for -- it can go along way and can easily turn those looking for LT into a fun fling.

The flip side to GPS is moderate expectation serial cock gobblers. Met a seemingly nice GND type, agreed to $500 for a full afternoon of fun. Over the course of her time together, she made it quite clear, she has no intention of working a 9-5 job so long as she has the looks and appetite for cock that can land her 4-5 dates a week and she would be happy to work me in to the rotation whenever our sdchedules permitted. NTY -- one of the appeals of SBs is the illusion that she was not gargling with some other guys cum earlier in the day within the past 24 hours!

You find the profile of the Whole Foods cashier you've been flirting with for a few weeks on SA. Asking her out next time I'm in her line. .

I think it may be a good year!

[QUOTE=BikeRider;3219770]You find the profile of the Whole Foods cashier you've been flirting with for a few weeks on SA. Asking her out next time I'm in her line. .

I think it may be a good year![/QUOTE]Had been flirting with the cashier at the new costco. Young, thin, pretty -- no boobs, but I can overlook that.

One days she she is sporting a diamond fleck engagement ring. I ask "who is the lucky guy?" She points to the dumpy African American girl working the next register and says "Her, we met here at work".

At least I know the cute little redhead asst manager of the bank across the parking lot has a boyfriend, but at Christmas I asked if she was on the Naughty or Nice list and she said "always on the Nice list, without even blushing. " Should have asked if she wanted to change that!

[QUOTE=BikeRider;3219770]You find the profile of the Whole Foods cashier you've been flirting with for a few weeks on SA. Asking her out next time I'm in her line. .

I think it may be a good year![/QUOTE]Without doubt, we should all be so fortunate. I have specifically gone to specific cities looking for girls (my college-age nieces, for example) who I thought could be on SA. The fact that many use false cities, which I only now realize, probably thwarted that.

And, indeed, for a while after joining, I looked at all women differently. Like any one I saw IRL who was attractive might be on there, so I should go look for them.

[QUOTE=CarltonW;3219685]
The flip side to GPS is moderate expectation serial cock gobblers. Met a seemingly nice GND type, agreed to $500 for a full afternoon of fun. Over the course of her time together, she made it quite clear, she has no intention of working a 9-5 job so long as she has the looks and appetite for cock that can land her 4-5 dates a week and she would be happy to work me in to the rotation whenever our sdchedules permitted. NTY -- one of the appeals of SBs is the illusion that she was not gargling with some other guys cum earlier in the day within the past 24 hours![/QUOTE]Good comments on GPS. I agree.

Yeah, that girl who has no intention of working and intends to support herself by flatbacking is NOT what I would consider a SB at all. I'd classify her as a PRO escort using the SA site for marketing. But hey, I'm a hard grader! She's not what I would hope to find as a SB on one of those sites. I don't care if she played with her BF / So before dating me, just don't want to be "in rotation. " Likely that many do that, just rather avoid it.

I think she is open to fun.

I have dabbled with the AMP and escort scenes for a few years and, like many on this forum, have not gotten the level of intimacy that I am looking for. After finding this forum, I am interested in the sugar dating world and have read this and other USASG forums regarding the subject. Thanks to everyone who has posted for the incredible depth of advice that has been offered!

I understand the per visit arrangement amounts that are discussed here. HWG and a few others have shared information in great detail, however, these fellows seem to be anomalies.

My situation is that I can realistically only see an SB two times a month on a steady basis. I am looking for SB's in the 6,7,and 8 range. Do I need to look at offering $$$ or $$ per meet to be in an acceptable total compensation range or should I stick with the "standard" $$ or $$. 5 per visit regardless of visit frequency?

Thanks to all for your advice!

[QUOTE=Svenson;3220045]I have dabbled with the AMP and escort scenes for a few years and, like many on this forum, have not gotten the level of intimacy that I am looking for. After finding this forum, I am interested in the sugar dating world and have read this and other USASG forums regarding the subject. Thanks to everyone who has posted for the incredible depth of advice that has been offered!

I understand the per visit arrangement amounts that are discussed here. HWG and a few others have shared information in great detail, however, these fellows seem to be anomalies.

My situation is that I can realistically only see an SB two times a month on a steady basis. I am looking for SB's in the 6,7,and 8 range. Do I need to look at offering $$$ or $$ per meet to be in an acceptable total compensation range or should I stick with the "standard" $$ or $$. 5 per visit regardless of visit frequency?

Thanks to all for your advice![/QUOTE]You should have no problem finding what your looking for in your range. With patience you might find some that will do less. The HWG girl of $ is a unicorn for most. He does have a specific type which is not everybody's cup of tea. Good luck and have fun.