"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

I am trying to establish relationships on SA, not just one-and-done. My approach generally includes a public M&G, and at said meeting, if I like someone and want to encourage the next step, I have a small gift for them. Most commonly I give a gift card from Sephora or Victoria. In denominations I can buy at the grocery, like 25 or 50. Usually, a girl really likes this 'gesture'.

I recently did a mid-day meeting w / a MILF, we just had drinks. A smoking hot one, to be sure. She's a novice on the site, I easily found her real identity. She formerly was a fitness / bikini competitor, even if her bod isn't quite what it was, she's a 9, despite her age (she is still 20+ years my junior). She's not convinced she wants an arrangement, but I considered myself in the running, and IK she deleted her profile, she was getting so many crass messages. So no competition. Sometimes, the POT being naive can lead to real bargains, so I have been hopeful.

I was out of touch on a business trip, upon my return, I suggested we renew our contact. Her response:

"Ok, but the VS card you gave me. Everything online was least 60-70.

I haven't used it but I'm just being honest."

AVOID like the plague. Wanted $700 ppm & then when I said way too high, she hits me with the old "pay me for wasting my time. " When I refused, she sent me a screenshot where she had learned my real name & looked me up. Fortunately, she didn't learn anything that would help her in her extortion efforts. This "bio" she found listed names of people it thought might be contacts of mine. Too bad for her that I don't know these people from Adam's housecat. But she texted them, saying I was trying to buy sex from an underage girl. Since they have no idea who I am, they told her to go away. I also very energetically told her I won't pay under any circumstances whatsoever.

Two can play that game. I used Facecheck I'd (a thousand thanks to the monger who mentioned Facecheck on this Board) & looked her up. I found her real name too & a bunch of social media. She lives in Miami & graduated from the you of Miami. So when she threatened to "keep going", I replied, fine, I will too. I quickly learned she's 24, & one of those TikTok influencers. She also has a LinkedIn career page. With this career info, I advised her that it would be really bad for her if I put some of her social media & career contacts on blast with news of what she's doing & that I fully intend on prosecuting her for extortion / blackmail, etc.

Funny. She went silent & disappeared completely after that. The best defense is a good offense, for sure.

I've been in this hobby for 20 years but only in the last year has this kind of drama happened to me, twice now. WTH is going on with these "ladies?

Just started messaging these 2 and got their number. Anyone have any success with them? I'm really craving a high quality threesome.

Thanks!

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/9c9d850a-8718-4c35-a52b-452bd9b95905[/URL]

Just wondering if anyone has had any experience with this one. She is not online very much so communications has been sparse. Finally got her number and we have started texting. Her pictures look good (no risque pics though). We haven't talked about damage yet. Like I said looking for any info why'all may have.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/f6e57795-de8c-406a-9388-2bdc80845bec[/URL]

May the pussy be with you.

SD.

[QUOTE=SoonerFan72;6476991]Anyone have intel on this chic? She's been around for several years, surely one of you guys have nailed her. PM if necessary.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/0ffb1b16-f9e2-48d4-8339-f7ecc8fc2215[/URL][/QUOTE]I actually arranged a meet and greet with her last year. We hit it off really well and it seemed like we had something planned out but then she ended up telling me she got a job and wasn't looking for an arrangement anymore. However, several months later, I see her active on the site and message her, but get no response. Not entirely sure why.

[QUOTE=SugarDaddio;6483866]Just wondering if anyone has had any experience with this one. She is not online very much so communications has been sparse. Finally got her number and we have started texting. Her pictures look good (no risque pics though). We haven't talked about damage yet. Like I said looking for any info why'all may have.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/f6e57795-de8c-406a-9388-2bdc80845bec[/URL]

May the pussy be with you.

SD.[/QUOTE]She is new to the site, and appears to be looking for love / romance, and not ppm sugar dating action. Nothing wrong with that, and of course that might not even be the case, but that's my take on her profile.

[QUOTE=PeterJohnson;6482991]YMMV with Succulent Sweetheart (Rose). PP has had some good times with her, but I saw her once and she was acting like a low class hooker and rushing me to finish, after just 5 minutes. She also asked for the $$$$ up front, and took a phone call and said "I'm with a client". So not the best attitude or service. Maybe I got her on a bad day, but can not recommend, even though she looks good. Again, YMMV.[/QUOTE]This is her new profile.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/22d37fbd-346c-4428-9445-2508c60b83e9[/URL]

I also agree with above review. Not the best service anymore.

[QUOTE=PeterJohnson;6483963]She is new to the site, and appears to be looking for love / romance, and not ppm sugar dating action. Nothing wrong with that, and of course that might not even be the case, but that's my take on her profile.[/QUOTE]I think this is a scam or she is afraid to use her actual photo.

Google search on the photo came up as Oksana Glamour.

[URL]https://twitter.com/oksana_glamour/status/1644344919606149121/photo/1[/URL]

[QUOTE=SexyBeast93;6483862]Just started messaging these 2 and got their number. Anyone have any success with them? I'm really craving a high quality threesome.

Thanks!

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/9c9d850a-8718-4c35-a52b-452bd9b95905[/URL][/QUOTE]I saw one of them. The one goes by Mia.

[QUOTE=TylerDurden07;6483775]

I've been in this hobby for 20 years but only in the last year has this kind of drama happened to me, twice now. WTH is going on with these "ladies?[/QUOTE]Part of Woke ideology is that all women are victims and men are the evil victimizers. So young girls are now raised to believe that anything they do a man is ethical because they are fighting back against their privileged oppressors.

And thanks for the reminder to try to be as private as possible, especially early on with these girls. I would block that one, but I can't find her profile. Maybe someone else will post the link.

[QUOTE=PeterPan;6484014]I saw one of them. The one goes by Mia.[/QUOTE]Mind PMing me with some details of your experience? I'm negotiating with them now, might be meeting them on Friday.

How are why'all making your payments to Seeking? I haven't been able to get on there in months. Vanilla cards don't seem to work regardless of what I do.

[QUOTE=Harley32;6484101]How are why'all making your payments to Seeking? I haven't been able to get on there in months. Vanilla cards don't seem to work regardless of what I do.[/QUOTE]

http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?14265-quot-Sugar-Babies-quot-and-quot-Arrangements-quot&p=6430732&viewfull=1#post6430732

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/da6bbb54-da29-4219-adc8-6ebab595766c[/URL]

I know that SA takes a good deal of effort as compared to cruising escort sites. But for someone like me that is really seeking more than just getting off and going it's very worth it. I have found that the best experiences out there for me are when I can relax and connect a bit before the intimacy. These type of arrangements where time is not a factor has proven huge for me. Call it performance anxiety or whatever but when I'm not on a clock is when things work best for me. Funny part is I don't spend much more time getting my two rounds in that I would with a pro but just the change in atmosphere makes all the difference. Had an arrangement today that lasted 1. 5 hrs and I got everything I wanted with lots of time but little capital invested.

Just my. 02. The effort is worth it gents. Keep seeking!

[QUOTE=SexyBeast93;6484062]Mind PMing me with some details of your experience? I'm negotiating with them now, might be meeting them on Friday.[/QUOTE]Search for Mia in this thread, there should be some reviews.

Anyone see her?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/c0aab8e4-c5ff-444b-840f-df56ea9b67a0[/URL]

[QUOTE=TylerDurden07;6483775]AVOID like the plague. Wanted $700 ppm & then when I said way too high, she hits me with the old "pay me for wasting my time. " When I refused, she sent me a screenshot where she had learned my real name & looked me up. Fortunately, she didn't learn anything that would help her in her extortion efforts. This "bio" she found listed names of people it thought might be contacts of mine. Too bad for her that I don't know these people from Adam's housecat. But she texted them, saying I was trying to buy sex from an underage girl. Since they have no idea who I am, they told her to go away. I also very energetically told her I won't pay under any circumstances whatsoever.

Two can play that game. I used Facecheck I'd (a thousand thanks to the monger who mentioned Facecheck on this Board) & looked her up. I found her real name too & a bunch of social media. She lives in Miami & graduated from the you of Miami. So when she threatened to "keep going", I replied, fine, I will too. I quickly learned she's 24, & one of those TikTok influencers. She also has a LinkedIn career page. With this career info, I advised her that it would be really bad for her if I put some of her social media & career contacts on blast with news of what she's doing & that I fully intend on prosecuting her for extortion / blackmail, etc.

Funny. She went silent & disappeared completely after that. The best defense is a good offense, for sure.

I've been in this hobby for 20 years but only in the last year has this kind of drama happened to me, twice now. WTH is going on with these "ladies?[/QUOTE]How did she find your info? I remember you had another issue so I assume you tightened up after that with hiding your identity. Is your number linked to something or using SnapChat or something to communicate? Stories like yours is why I don't even use a picture in my profile anymore. I try to wait long enough to feel them out before it even gets that far and then I'll use a fake SnapChat account but even that's not foolproof. Nice work playing the reverse UNO card on her though. Seems like a TikTok influencer from the you would have a little more success in her life than to resort to extorting men on dating sites.

[QUOTE=MacLuvin;6484730]How did she find your info? I remember you had another issue so I assume you tightened up after that with hiding your identity. Is your number linked to something or using SnapChat or something to communicate? Stories like yours is why I don't even use a picture in my profile anymore. I try to wait long enough to feel them out before it even gets that far and then I'll use a fake SnapChat account but even that's not foolproof. Nice work playing the reverse UNO card on her though. Seems like a TikTok influencer from the you would have a little more success in her life than to resort to extorting men on dating sites.[/QUOTE]"Tiktok influencer" is the new "I'm in a band". Aka 99.9999% of them are failed losers who will never make enough doing it to live off of financially, but they will "fake it til the make it" to "chase the dream. ".

[QUOTE=NovaPrime;6484508]Anyone see her?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/c0aab8e4-c5ff-444b-840f-df56ea9b67a0[/URL][/QUOTE]Never mind she is not worth it. Damage was 300 for cfs and strict rules.

Anyone have any intel on this one? Feel free to PM if needed.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/623e8e13-f834-4c21-9254-25da75595f52[/URL]

[QUOTE=MacLuvin;6484730]How did she find your info? I remember you had another issue so I assume you tightened up after that with hiding your identity. Is your number linked to something or using SnapChat or something to communicate? Stories like yours is why I don't even use a picture in my profile anymore. I try to wait long enough to feel them out before it even gets that far and then I'll use a fake SnapChat account but even that's not foolproof. Nice work playing the reverse UNO card on her though. Seems like a TikTok influencer from the you would have a little more success in her life than to resort to extorting men on dating sites.[/QUOTE]I only have 3 social media accounts & that's it. And they all have tight privacy controls. She had sent me a screenshot of some page she uses to gain your identity. It listed a bunch of supposed "contacts" on there, but I don't know who those people are, except for one & he'd just laugh at her bullshit (she didn't contact him anyway).

Troubling & extremely annoying indeed, but mongers should know that you can, as you say, play the "reverse UNO card" on these extortionist little creeps.

[QUOTE=PeterJohnson;6484046]Part of Woke ideology is that all women are victims and men are the evil victimizers. So young girls are now raised to believe that anything they do a man is ethical because they are fighting back against their privileged oppressors.

And thanks for the reminder to try to be as private as possible, especially early on with these girls. I would block that one, but I can't find her profile. Maybe someone else will post the link.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, you are exactly right.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/bff9fad4-84b5-4049-b441-141aa6240d6e[/URL]

Anybody want to talk to this girl for a week & then have her ghost when you set up a meet?!

[QUOTE=TylerDurden07;6485128]I only have 3 social media accounts & that's it. And they all have tight privacy controls. She had sent me a screenshot of some page she uses to gain your identity. It listed a bunch of supposed "contacts" on there, but I don't know who those people are, except for one & he'd just laugh at her bullshit (she didn't contact him anyway).

Troubling & extremely annoying indeed, but mongers should know that you can, as you say, play the "reverse UNO card" on these extortionist little creeps.[/QUOTE]I sometimes use these sites like been verified and people search to try to glean info about POTs. Especially in free mode, they toss a lot of stuff out about a phone number, for example, as a way to hook some people into paying for the service. In that they will list associates, could be family members or SM friends. I have always been suspect of that, I don't think they are real. I'd wager your nemesis did that.

I have from time to time taken the 'trial' offer on those sites and run a bunch of phone number through. For like a buck, you can do 100 searches over a week. About half the time you get good info, the other half, they are smart enough to be using a texting app. As long as the email address you give the sites is new and unique, you're good to go at this discounted price.

Finally, about extortion, this has been widely discussed on here before, I believe that the best approach is not to threaten to extort back. You should say this:

While stepping out on my SO / seeking to date much younger women / compensate women for dating (select an appropriate phrase) is perhaps not the most reputable thing I've done, it is not illegal. However, extortion and blackmail are crimes, and Federal ones at that. In the messages you have sent to me, I have all the evidence I need for you to be charged. If you persist in threatening or actually disclosing anything about my personally, I'll be heading right to the FBI with screen shots of all of those.

Multiple guys here over time have found this typically silences the boasters.

[QUOTE=NovaPrime;6484508]Anyone see her?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/c0aab8e4-c5ff-444b-840f-df56ea9b67a0[/URL][/QUOTE]Avoid, scammer with extreme GPS and bad attitude. I blocked her and deleted, or I could give you the full details how it went on messages.

[QUOTE=TylerDurden07;6485142][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/bff9fad4-84b5-4049-b441-141aa6240d6e[/URL]

Anybody want to talk to this girl for a week & then have her ghost when you set up a meet?![/QUOTE]It's only time. I'll waste hers. LOL.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/d74765db-8b06-42ec-ae9c-9ce8166b395b[/URL]

Lucy Lee, worth every nickel. Rate is cheaper than her advertised rate too, YMMV I have seen her twice as a pro.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/c07b8537-adff-4a28-ad7b-d02915f6d6f5[/URL]

Going back and forth on her but just curious if anyone has met?

I'll be in Atlanta Saturday.

Who are some good ones from SA to reach out to?

I'm looking for reliable. Not someone that takes days to respond.

Last time I was in Atlanta I saw WittyBae. She was fun, but she's disappeared.

I'm coming from Macon. The SA scene here is pretty bad. Mainly content sellers.

I'm also open to an UTR if someone wants to share.

[QUOTE=SomeGuy3;6485781]I'll be in Atlanta Saturday.

Who are some good ones from SA to reach out to?[/QUOTE]You do know this entire thread is about that topic, don't you? Just start reading and you will have your answers.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/3d18f135-5738-40fc-bf28-c5a641bf886d[/URL]

Saw this one a couple of times, awhile back. Busty, and great body, although depends on what you like. But I think most would appreciate. I don't think she can host. 400 ppm, and I would recommend.

[QUOTE=NovaPrime;6485749][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/c07b8537-adff-4a28-ad7b-d02915f6d6f5[/URL]

Going back and forth on her but just curious if anyone has met?[/QUOTE]After a quick Facecheck I'd, you'll find her IG profile, TikTok, etc. I'd be very skeptical. Or she's going to have extreme GPS.

[QUOTE=TylerDurden07;6485128]I only have 3 social media accounts & that's it. And they all have tight privacy controls. She had sent me a screenshot of some page she uses to gain your identity. It listed a bunch of supposed "contacts" on there, but I don't know who those people are, except for one & he'd just laugh at her bullshit (she didn't contact him anyway).

Troubling & extremely annoying indeed, but mongers should know that you can, as you say, play the "reverse UNO card" on these extortionist little creeps.[/QUOTE]I don't trust social media platforms' privacy settings anymore. I had an instance in which a scammer found my Facebook profile. The thing is. My profile has been hidden from search engines ever since they introduced that option. I also had it configured so that it couldn't be found by name, phone number or email address search within. I thought my info was locked tight. They may have used an insider or a business partner's special access to view my profile as well. The profile photo was recent so I don't think it was an archived version of my profile.

Since then, I removed lots of personal information from my social accounts. I paid a few services to remove my information from data brokers. The process is slow and itself a scam LOL but had to start somewhere.

Also, you can have a perfectly hidden profile. Then someone in your friends list could get hacked. Hackers can then reach to and archive your information using the hacked account.

[QUOTE=Airmantroy;6486307]After a quick Facecheck I'd, you'll find her IG profile, TikTok, etc. I'd be very skeptical. Or she's going to have extreme GPS.[/QUOTE]I have a m & g with her tomorrow. I'll update after that, but I have a strong feeling major GPS will be displayed.

[QUOTE=TylerDurden07;6487734]I have a m & g with her tomorrow. I'll update after that, but I have a strong feeling major GPS will be displayed.[/QUOTE]She Ghosted me haha. Please let me know if she meets you.

[QUOTE=NovaPrime;6487942]She Ghosted me haha. Please let me know if she meets you.[/QUOTE]Just leaving the M & G place. She ghosted me as well.

Wants to expand her horizons. Known Seniors, no time wasters, 25, curly blonde, curvy hippie chick.

[QUOTE=TheBobster;6488746]Wants to expand her horizons. Known Seniors, no time wasters, 25, curly blonde, curvy hippie chick.[/QUOTE]Would she be open to driving to AtL?

[QUOTE=PeterJohnson;6486267][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/3d18f135-5738-40fc-bf28-c5a641bf886d[/URL]

Saw this one a couple of times, awhile back. Busty, and great body, although depends on what you like. But I think most would appreciate. I don't think she can host. 400 ppm, and I would recommend.[/QUOTE]Have seen her too and agree with the post. Hopefully others had similar experiences.