"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;3158166]
"I don't see Indians for less than 2000 per visit. ".[/QUOTE]More like Weight Based Pricing. Won't see an Average gal for more than $250!

Had a great M&G w / a HOT blonde MILF last night, sort of a newbie, decided I wanted to get her to the FC today (room booked for holiday visitors), texted and messaged her on SA. I get a message back allright, but not the one I expected. From her hubby. A mild threat but I'm protected by my standard security procedures. I guess hers weren't good enough.

Just had an experience that reminds us all how important operational security is. Had a great initial meet w / a married MILF. There was some indication hubby suspected something was up. I messaged her on SA to try to set the FC. After she fell asleep, he takes her finger and uses it to unlock the phone, sees everything, and then messages me on her account, w / obvious content. Can't control how careful the SBs are, but neither can we rely only on a fingerprint scan on the phone anymore.

Haha that's right! I thought she was just a sweet kinky single mom met her at concert in town last year and we hooked up a couple times. I noticed she has been in or local graybar hotel for the past 2 months on a minor charge w fta. Last night I was bored and googled her name. The second site that pops up a sugar site I'd never heard of [URL]financialarrangement.com[/URL] . Her words on profile were very unappealing. After checking out a few of her porn vids (suzanne kelly & giselle ibiza) I may have to go play with her again! Haha!

I'm messaging w / a 19 YO waitress on SA. I ask the key question, 'have you dated much older guys' - trying to arm myself against those who think they want sugar but then when they see the reality of a photo of a 50 YO guy go 'yecch'. Anyway, her answer is that she has had two arrangements, with a 30's guy and a 40's guy, which was pretty out there b / c she's just 19. Then I looked at her profile, and she's been on the site less than a month. So, what she's calling an arrangement pretty much means two dates. LOL. My SD age is 56, so I'll have to play up the age progression thing. She's skinny and hot, WTH.

The join date on SA isn't always an indicator for how long they've been in the sugar world. Girls can easily create a new profile and there are other sites.

I do always ask if they've had an arrangement or dated an older man before. I've noticed it makes a big difference if a girl likes older guys already or has had good experiences in the past. Even if they have no experience, I like to guage if they've been attracted to older men.

You may be surprised how many young women are actually attracted to older men. Within reason.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3161258]I'm messaging w / a 19 YO waitress on SA. I ask the key question, 'have you dated much older guys' - trying to arm myself against those who think they want sugar but then when they see the reality of a photo of a 50 YO guy go 'yecch'. Anyway, her answer is that she has had two arrangements, with a 30's guy and a 40's guy, which was pretty out there b / c she's just 19. Then I looked at her profile, and she's been on the site less than a month. So, what she's calling an arrangement pretty much means two dates. LOL. My SD age is 56, so I'll have to play up the age progression thing. She's skinny and hot, WTH.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;3161725]The join date on SA isn't always an indicator for how long they've been in the sugar world. Girls can easily create a new profile and there are other sites.

I do always ask if they've had an arrangement or dated an older man before. I've noticed it makes a big difference if a girl likes older guys already or has had good experiences in the past. Even if they have no experience, I like to guage if they've been attracted to older men.

You may be surprised how many young women are actually attracted to older men. Within reason.[/QUOTE]There is a small amout of younger women who are actually attracted to older men but never forget the arraignment is most of the time a deciding factor. A very beneficial arrangement takes you along ways. Lots of women stay in an arrangements becaus of the dollars are really good, not because they actually like you. When you want to test that just cut the sugar off and see if they are still there.

Hi guys, I am a longtime lurker and decided I would give back. I am in my sixties, and an African-American business executive. I pretty much date exclusively chocolate, because that is what I like. I don't do arrangements and have never paid more than $120 for a FS session. Some of my quirks and tips:

-- Most of my action comes when I am traveling for business. SA is the greatest thing ever for the business traveler.

-- I don't do dinner, meet-and-greets or drinks unless all that is happening at my hotel.

-- She's never in my car.

-- If she is transportation-challenged I'm happy to send an Uber car to her and take her back -- all on my dime regardless of how the date turns out.

-- I am focused more on enthusiasm and effort than facial features and overall beauty That's how I keep the cost low. One of the best sessions of my life was with a 20-something college student who qualified for BBW status. It was awesome. She stayed with me for two hours and worked like a porn star.

-- Some of the girls I approached hadn't had a date on SA since they signed up -- in some cases more than a year. Discrimination or different tastes are probably the reason. But for those of us who like chocolate that means plenty of bargains that are going untouched.

-- My photo is not on my profile because of business reasons and my relationship status.

-- I will send a real photo once we begin texting or phone conversations.

-- As I noted, my standard payment is $100 plus a $20 tip if it is good, along with Uber transportation to / from if necessary. I'll go as high as $150 plus transportation but that's it. So far, nobody has walked away from that.

-- Small college towns are the best.

-- The last four babies I was with never mentioned money at any point in the process -- and neither did I. In each case I offered up a Benjamin and usually a tip and that was it.

So there are some tips and observations from the chocolate point of view. Without a doubt, there are lots of glamour queen chocolate babies who are in the $300-$500 range but I know how to avoid them from the get-go.

Happy hunting, my friends.

If she says she's 18 or 19 you may want to check her age. Had to politely walk out on what turned out to be a HS girl in RVA today who was 3 weeks away from being legal. She had a good cover story about how she was in dorms. Nope. Doesn't move into dorms until next fall.

[QUOTE=BrazzerToFive;3164306]If she says she's 18 or 19 you may want to check her age. Had to politely walk out on what turned out to be a HS girl in RVA today who was 3 weeks away from being legal. She had a good cover story about how she was in dorms. Nope. Doesn't move into dorms until next fall.[/QUOTE]I asked my last sugar baby, who was 25, for her I'd. I told her she could cover up the name and address, and she did. Was I being too cautious? One former NFL great who played for the Giants certainly wishes he had followed that advice.

I travel also but it's usually to same area. How long to start look at the ladies in advance of your trip to the city? And do you do repeats the next time you visit a particular city?

I don't have my picture up earlier. But my response rate isn't as high as it use to be, the last time I was in the bowl. I was thinking about putting up a picture with a blurred face to see if the response rate would increase.

[QUOTE=CigarFL;3163663]Hi guys, I am a longtime lurker and decided I would give back. I am in my sixties, and an African-American business executive. I pretty much date exclusively chocolate, because that is what I like. I don't do arrangements and have never paid more than $120 for a FS session. Some of my quirks and tips:

-- Most of my action comes when I am traveling for business. SA is the greatest thing ever for the business traveler.

-- I don't do dinner, meet-and-greets or drinks unless all that is happening at my hotel.

-- She's never in my car.

-- If she is transportation-challenged I'm happy to send an Uber car to her and take her back -- all on my dime regardless of how the date turns out.

-- I am focused more on enthusiasm and effort than facial features and overall beauty That's how I keep the cost low. One of the best sessions of my life was with a 20-something college student who qualified for BBW status. It was awesome. She stayed with me for two hours and worked like a porn star.

-- Some of the girls I approached hadn't had a date on SA since they signed up -- in some cases more than a year. Discrimination or different tastes are probably the reason. But for those of us who like chocolate that means plenty of bargains that are going untouched.

-- My photo is not on my profile because of business reasons and my relationship status.

-- I will send a real photo once we begin texting or phone conversations.

-- As I noted, my standard payment is $100 plus a $20 tip if it is good, along with Uber transportation to / from if necessary. I'll go as high as $150 plus transportation but that's it. So far, nobody has walked away from that.

-- Small college towns are the best.

-- The last four babies I was with never mentioned money at any point in the process -- and neither did I. In each case I offered up a Benjamin and usually a tip and that was it.

So there are some tips and observations from the chocolate point of view. Without a doubt, there are lots of glamour queen chocolate babies who are in the $300-$500 range but I know how to avoid them from the get-go.

Happy hunting, my friends.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CigarFL;3164341]I asked my last sugar baby, who was 25, for her I'd. I told her she could cover up the name and address, and she did. Was I being too cautious? One former NFL great who played for the Giants certainly wishes he had followed that advice.[/QUOTE]This discussion needs to be very circumspect. Look at a link on the main page to a USASG policy page on this topic. But I agree, if there is any question whatsoever, you need to get this info. I am also informed by HollywoodGuy, my mentor, that even *meeting or arranging to meet* with someone who is not of 'appropriate digital maturity' could be a crime. It depends on the jurisdiction, etc. The idea of having the baby cover the name and address on the DL is a great one. I can't tell these girl's ages, just as they can't likely tell mine within about a decade. I would even suggest if you have any question at all that you make her verify w / a photo. I had a very immature POT I was once messaging with who worried me, and I asked to see the I'd. She said sure, once we are in the room and I have the sugar. It never happened though (neither) - she chickened out.

[QUOTE=TravelinSD;3158430]Take a look at this video:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGvrmltfMrA&app=desktop[/URL]

We've been missing out on a big opportunity. We could form a non-profit to help our poor millenial babies and all of our SB payments would be a charitable contribution, LOL.

Good Hunting!

Travelin.[/QUOTE]Love it, need to get a great name and set it up.

[QUOTE=Falar;3164500]I travel also but it's usually to same area. How long to start look at the ladies in advance of your trip to the city? And do you do repeats the next time you visit a particular city?

I don't have my picture up earlier. But my response rate isn't as high as it use to be, the last time I was in the bowl. I was thinking about putting up a picture with a blurred face to see if the response rate would increase.[/QUOTE]I usually don't attempt making contact until about a week or two before my trip. The SB gets excited because of the prospect of some sugar in just a few days. It also cuts down on some of the emailing and messaging. The drawback to that strategy is that not all the ladies check their SA mail regularly. I've missed out on some great prospects because by the time they got back to me I had exhausted by budget for that trip or I was headed home. On the other hand, I usually have no problem setting up a full appointment list in just four or five days.

Not having a picture up has not been a problem for me at all. You can generate more responses by simply clicking on the profiles of women in a certain area. Go ahead and favorite a lot of them. My theory is the site's algorithm will determine you are looking in a certain area and will "show" your profile to more of the ladies. What's more important than the picture is a compelling profile that convinces the SB to respond to you. I can't emphasize this enough. If writing isn't your thing, pay a professional a few bucks to craft an appealing (but truthful) profile for you. It's easy to find a freelancer on sites like Upwork or Thumbtack. Once I start clicking on profiles in an area I start receiving lots of queries from SBs that I had not even contacted. And that's without a profile photo.

Your profile and all other correspondence should all be friendly, warm and honest. It's obviously important to be really transparent about what you're looking for while not coming across as creepy. I like getting to the point real fast to prevent wasting time once the conversation moves to email or text.

If you are traveling to the same area a lot then repeats can be golden. When I'm in a city for several days I like sprinkling in a couple returning all-stars along with some new prospects.

Hope some of this helps!

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3164840]This discussion needs to be very circumspect. Look at a link on the main page to a USASG policy page on this topic. But I agree, if there is any question whatsoever, you need to get this info. I am also informed by HollywoodGuy, my mentor, that even *meeting or arranging to meet* with someone who is not of 'appropriate digital maturity' could be a crime. It depends on the jurisdiction, etc. The idea of having the baby cover the name and address on the DL is a great one. I can't tell these girl's ages, just as they can't likely tell mine within about a decade. I would even suggest if you have any question at all that you make her verify w / a photo. I had a very immature POT I was once messaging with who worried me, and I asked to see the I'd. She said sure, once we are in the room and I have the sugar. It never happened though (neither) - she chickened out.[/QUOTE]I regularly ask to see the DL -- with her name and address covered, of course. Obviously not necessary for a woman who is clearly in her late twenties or thirties, but if she claims to be say, 19,20 or 21, then you could be taking a big risk by not verifying.

[QUOTE=CigarFL;3163663]Hi guys, I am a longtime lurker and decided I would give back. I am in my sixties, and an African-American business executive. I pretty much date exclusively chocolate, because that is what I like. I don't do arrangements and have never paid more than $120 for a FS session. Some of my quirks and tips:

-- Most of my action comes when I am traveling for business. SA is the greatest thing ever for the business traveler.

-- I don't do dinner, meet-and-greets or drinks unless all that is happening at my hotel.

-- She's never in my car.

-- If she is transportation-challenged I'm happy to send an Uber car to her and take her back -- all on my dime regardless of how the date turns out.

-- I am focused more on enthusiasm and effort than facial features and overall beauty That's how I keep the cost low. One of the best sessions of my life was with a 20-something college student who qualified for BBW status. It was awesome. She stayed with me for two hours and worked like a porn star.

-- Some of the girls I approached hadn't had a date on SA since they signed up -- in some cases more than a year. Discrimination or different tastes are probably the reason. But for those of us who like chocolate that means plenty of bargains that are going untouched.

-- My photo is not on my profile because of business reasons and my relationship status.

-- I will send a real photo once we begin texting or phone conversations.

-- As I noted, my standard payment is $100 plus a $20 tip if it is good, along with Uber transportation to / from if necessary. I'll go as high as $150 plus transportation but that's it. So far, nobody has walked away from that.

-- Small college towns are the best.

-- The last four babies I was with never mentioned money at any point in the process -- and neither did I. In each case I offered up a Benjamin and usually a tip and that was it.

So there are some tips and observations from the chocolate point of view. Without a doubt, there are lots of glamour queen chocolate babies who are in the $300-$500 range but I know how to avoid them from the get-go.

Happy hunting, my friends.[/QUOTE]Good report. If you can post the sa links to some of these girls, might help them get some dates. Everyone has a different definition of a sb so that comes to bear here.

My experience with the chocolate sb is not as extensive as I would like. The few I have tried to work out arrangements with bring more drama than I like or need. The chocolate baby gets right to the point which usually scares alot of guys off thinking they are utr or pros. In my area they tend to be really BBW or ghetto which turns the guys off. I have never had one not mention sugar within the first or second communication so you are doing something right. I'm an old white guy so maybe that's the problem. Most in my area start at the $$ mark but let you know pretty fast that's negotiable. I also live in an area of colleges with an hour or so driving time and very few chocolate college girls end up on sa. My experience like I said is not as extensive as I would like, just hard to find here.

[QUOTE=Falar;3164500]I travel also but it's usually to same area. How long to start look at the ladies in advance of your trip to the city? And do you do repeats the next time you visit a particular city?

I don't have my picture up earlier. But my response rate isn't as high as it use to be, the last time I was in the bowl. I was thinking about putting up a picture with a blurred face to see if the response rate would increase.[/QUOTE]I'll answer the 2nd question first -- if I return to a certain city, I may repeat with an SB I had seen previously. Variety is the spice of life, but I usually will let a prior SB know I MAY be in town on such and such date and set them up as a back up in case a new, more appealing option does not materialize. I even managed to salvage one back up on just a few hours notice (when I bail on them, I tell them wife was scheduled to go home first, but decided to stay, so when I have to try to salvage I say she left as originally planned).

I tend to reach out much further in advance, at least 2 weeks. This allows me to build a rapport and get them to email / text instead of relying on SA messaging. I also favor overnight encounters (at my age, 2 pops in 2 hours is a new world record unless she is super talented with a cock, so its either overnight or an hour with a pro for me) The other upside to building a longer rapport is it makes the whole FC transition pretty simple. YOu can eliminate any M&G time if you have them hot and bothered before you even meet. Maybe a drink at the bar so they don't feel like pros coming up to the room and getting a dick in their mouth right away. I find it hard to resist getting to the action once they are in the room.

Its worth the time time to figure out their sexual preferences (anything on your no fly list for fun time?) and getting to know if they are really just UTRs or just a submissive young girl with bills to pay and daddy issues. I tend to favor the latter. They also appreciate being treated with respect in the communication process -- I have found it makes them more apt to unleash their true sluttiness if you don't treat them that way until they are naked.

I've had a lot of success with chocolate SBs. Black women are going to college at almost the highest rate vs any other demographic. I've found a large number of intelligent, classy and beautiful young black women. They tend to be stereotyped and unappreciated. Many have never been with a white man or an older man, but really seem to enjoy the attention. Some young black women look to white men as easy marks, but I can usually weed them out quickly.

I don't do ghetto or bbw, but haven't had a problem finding a slim / athletic, intelligent and classy young black women.

It's now my preference.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3165125]Good report. If you can post the sa links to some of these girls, might help them get some dates. Everyone has a different definition of a sb so that comes to bear here.

My experience with the chocolate sb is not as extensive as I would like. The few I have tried to work out arrangements with bring more drama than I like or need. The chocolate baby gets right to the point which usually scares alot of guys off thinking they are utr or pros. In my area they tend to be really BBW or ghetto which turns the guys off. I have never had one not mention sugar within the first or second communication so you are doing something right. I'm an old white guy so maybe that's the problem. Most in my area start at the $$ mark but let you know pretty fast that's negotiable. I also live in an area of colleges with an hour or so driving time and very few chocolate college girls end up on sa. My experience like I said is not as extensive as I would like, just hard to find here.[/QUOTE]

My membership expired on SA this morning. I sent two message with my # to two girls prior. Hours after my membership expired, they read my message and text me. Looks like the SBs can still read the messages we sent prior to our membership expiring.

Makes sense to send out a few flares just before your membership expires. You may get some bites!

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3157515]Just told ya for sure. If they were able to read it then they could contact you if they were smart enough to write your info down or you was smart enough to send it and tell them your membetship was running out and you wasn't renrwing for awhile. Pretty simple. Once your membership runs out you can't read their responses in old mail. They can't read urs either.[/QUOTE]

I've gotten several PMs from women who are escorts / aspiring sugar babies. They don't realize the geography of the board thread doesn't mean my location. I may be posting too much.

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;3167305]My membership expired on SA this morning. I sent two message with my # to two girls prior. Hours after my membership expired, they read my message and text me. Looks like the SBs can still read the messages we sent prior to our membership expiring.

Makes sense to send out a few flares just before your membership expires. You may get some bites![/QUOTE]Indeed. I know that I can't read the messages after, so I go through them and copy and paste into text document so I've got the whole history of my interactoins with the ones I am interested in continuing w /. I am happy to have the membership lapse. Its just so damn compelling. I've got plenty of POTs and SBs.

Agree that sugaring on the road is fantastic. I've had excellent luck. I agree with both strategies. I have a town I regularly travel to so I will spin through the options regularly and gradually build up some POTs. Then about two weeks prior I ratchet it up. Last time I was overwhelmed with options. (Though one flaked.). Hell last time I hit it off with one and she offered a repeat with her friend who, as it turned out, was a regular of mine! So it can be great. Just take your time and focus on finding someone you click with.

I'm just diving back into chocolate options now. In DC it's a popular flavor. I had avoided it at first after some flakes and GPS experiences along with a lack of appealing profiles, but I've been seeing and chatting with some very engaging and bright young women. Hoping to get a taste very very soon.

[QUOTE=GuyInTheCorner;3169380]I'm just diving back into chocolate options now. In DC it's a popular flavor. I had avoided it at first after some flakes and GPS experiences along with a lack of appealing profiles, but I've been seeing and chatting with some very engaging and bright young women. Hoping to get a taste very very soon.[/QUOTE]Good stuff. Let us know how it turns out. D. C. , Atlanta, and Raleigh, and. C. Are three of the hottest spots for chocolate.

If you contact SA through a support ticket to renew by gift card how long does that normally take? I thought someone mentioned calling but I don't recall seeing a number anywhere.

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;3167305]My membership expired on SA this morning. I sent two message with my # to two girls prior. Hours after my membership expired, they read my message and text me. Looks like the SBs can still read the messages we sent prior to our membership expiring.

Makes sense to send out a few flares just before your membership expires. You may get some bites![/QUOTE]Either you got very lucky or th girls read your messages before your membership expired. Once its expired they can't read it.

[QUOTE=Moohk;3171252]If you contact SA through a support ticket to renew by gift card how long does that normally take? I thought someone mentioned calling but I don't recall seeing a number anywhere.[/QUOTE]And / m I see that once a ticket is opened their is a chat you can enter.

Please don't take offense. I'm not trying to start an argument. I was legitimately curious if girls can still read our messages after our membership expires. It could be useful to know. It seems in the best interest of SA that they still can. The best incentive to get you to renew is a bunch of unread messaging waiting for you to renew.

It's good to know if my membership is about to expire, I can message girls with my number and let them know I may not renew. I can also see if a girl doesn't reply to a message, that she may not be interested.

I just asked a girl I've been messaging offline, if she can still read my messages even though my membership expired almost a week ago. Her answer was "yes I can still read your messages".

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3171336]Either you got very lucky or th girls read your messages before your membership expired. Once its expired they can't read it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Moohk;3171252]If you contact SA through a support ticket to renew by gift card how long does that normally take? I thought someone mentioned calling but I don't recall seeing a number anywhere.[/QUOTE]Within 24 hours, I was good to go.

I am picking up tips on traveling and could always use more as I am new to this. Will be out of town soon for a week and will report when I get back as to how I worked it. Any tips on breaking the ice on SA for short term meetings? Thanks for any help on this.

I travel a fair amount and have had pretty good luck finding local SBs during my trips. I usually focus on profiles that have key words like "open minded", "free spirit" or "short term" in them, but will message any profile I find interesting. My initial message is direct, but low key and respectful. I mention I'm visiting from out of town, looking for companionship and usually offer dinner. I state that if there's a connection some intimate time back in my room afterward and a gift would be in order. My goal is to find someone who doesn't ask how much the gift will be. That helps exclude the GPS and UTR ladies.

I've had pretty good success over the last 5 years I've been doing this approach. However, I am finding with GPS, UTR and outright pros that seem to be more prevalent on SA these days my hit rate has gone down. On my last trip of the year a couple of weeks ago I was in Phoenix and did have lunch and some great BCD activities with an early 20's, very cute, petite blonde. The other thing I've been exploring has been using Tinder and Whisper rather than SA. On Tinder I put in my profile that I'm visiting and can "help out a bit" and on Whisper simply post a message including "out of town" and "generous". I did land one off Tinder a month ago in San Diego. There seems not be as much GPS on those sites yet. You will get tons of pros on Tinder in Vegas though.

Check out JZLizard's posts with his techniques as well. He pretty much exclusively does out of town and short term arrangements.

Good Hunting!

Travelin.

[QUOTE=FreekShow;3173461]I am picking up tips on traveling and could always use more as I am new to this. Will be out of town soon for a week and will report when I get back as to how I worked it. Any tips on breaking the ice on SA for short term meetings? Thanks for any help on this.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FreekShow;3173461]I am picking up tips on traveling and could always use more as I am new to this. Will be out of town soon for a week and will report when I get back as to how I worked it. Any tips on breaking the ice on SA for short term meetings? Thanks for any help on this.[/QUOTE]In terms of breaking the ice, I just try to be straightforward about when I will be in their area. One thing you quickly learn is that some of these girls post their location as a city other than the one they actually live in. Maybe its a city that's 20 miles from where they go to school, but 3 hours from their actual home / where their family lives, etc. They may be in a LTR or recently married and want a fling that's far enough away from their home that affords their privacy.

It just takes practice to assess their individual situations, figure out the scheduling, etc. It can be challenging and test your patience. I try to have multiples lined up for each night in a given city in case one falls through. I find most of these girls are interested in an occasional travel daddy as long as they have some level of interest in you. It's surprising how many of these girls are interested in random sexual encounters as long as they can do it safely, without drama, without cost to them. Fetishes for older men are common. Yes they are going into this with some expectation of financial help for the most part, but how much of that they expect depends on how much they actually like you. Motives of these girls vary greatly. Ignore those who say the girls won't stay if you don't pay -- those who believe that are meeting girls that don't like them much if that's true. Or they are just meeting UTR types.

One thing that is true though, the real SBs are looking for a classy date, and are not looking for some tight-wadding jobless schmuck, they are attracted to successful and intelligent men. A lot of times when I meet a girl, she may be scheduling time off work just to meet me, might be incurring costs like fuel in her vehicle or cab fare, so while I never discuss gift amounts up front, I always make sure in the end I value their time just as I want them to value mine.

I would get started trying to line up POTS as soon in advance as possible in the town you plan to meet. Think of it like a general networking exercise where you're making contacts in that city (as many as possible). Don't limit your focus to lots of texting with one, try to have lightweight conversations going with many of them. Keep track of what days they have school or work and which days they are more available, and try to schedule your M&G around that. Make a date night out of it. Pick a night where she doesn't have to be somewhere the next morning, in case the date goes well she will be motivated to stay overnight (I. E. Multiple rounds of fucking).

I signed up for a one month membership to SugarDaddyForMe with a Vanilla Visa. The site is well known for having alot of fake bot accounts to make you think there are more active SB's than there really are. However, some of the accounts are real women.

By The Numbers.

Messaged: 38.

SB's who read my messages: 15.

Viewed my profile: 12.

Viewed my gallery: 6.

Replied to my messages: 4 (all 4 also viewed my gallery).

I only got one SB to move to texting. We talked for about three weeks, and then she went silent both times that we had agreed to meet me in person.

In my area, about 60-70% of the SB's are black or mixed. If I was more interested in traveling the Hershey Highway, I might have had more success.

Tips.

-Always search by newest members. The SB's tend to just drop off of the site after three or four days. You have to message them quickly after signing up.

-Do Google searches on images. This will help you weed out the fake accounts. I found some of the most active accounts in my area had pictures of women from Russian websites.

-The fake accounts usually have profile that are very short, just one line profile descriptions.

-All messages in your inbox from when you are not a paid member are generated by the website's bots in order to get you to resubscribe.

The only two things I liked about the site was that females were able to specify what age range they wanted their SD to be in, and there are no lifestyle expectation selections, leading women to think they should be getting thousands to ten thousand per month.

SDX.

Outstanding! Great info. As someone new here I thank you all for the help. Filled in a few points here and there.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3171336]Either you got very lucky or th girls read your messages before your membership expired. Once its expired they can't read it.[/QUOTE]This is NOT correct. I have left my contact info in messages and been contacted by girls that didn't login and get my message until long after my premium status had expired.

[QUOTE=FreekShow;3173461]I am picking up tips on traveling and could always use more as I am new to this. Will be out of town soon for a week and will report when I get back as to how I worked it. Any tips on breaking the ice on SA for short term meetings? Thanks for any help on this.[/QUOTE]Unless they explicitly say they are not looking for a one time hook up, pretty much anyone on SA is willing to listen to what you have to say, so long as you are respectful in your approach. It helps if you will be a somewhat regular visitor to the city. Yes, "open minded" and "up for short term" or "up for most anything" or "just ask" are always good signs.

Fortunately, I am often complimented by SBs on my way with words, so this comes rather naturally to me (at least the written version, was never good a chatting up hotties). Being above average on the literacy meter also seems to make them feel at ease, especially given some of the ham handed approaches I have heard about. Kindly adapt the language to your own style, they can tell if you are pulling a Cyrano on them.

I am very up front -- Ill be in town on x date (usually at least 2 weeks in advance) for a "night or two" -- leave it vague so they know a one nighter is on the agenda -- and was hoping to meet a _ _ _ young lady (fill in the appropriate adjectives based on their profile hot buttons, "fun", "smart" "leggy") to share an evening. Ill also throw in that I visit town "monthly. Quarterly / irreguarly" or whatever it might be. For me the key has been the next sentence -- "if meeting an occassional / irregular / one-time visitor to _ for an enjoyable evening is not too NSA for your tastes, I hope to hear back from you" I'd say I get a response 75% of the time, even if the response is a polite "no thanks", they seem to appreciate the gesture of considering their perspective on things.

They usually ask what I had in mind, and I always says-- drinks, dinner, and dessert -- maybe even a midnight snack or breakfast in bed if we really hit it off. Non explicit, but they get the point. I almost exclusively pick SBs willing to overnight.

After that it is up to you how much time to invest in pre-meeting communication. I rarely have enough free time to invest in dinner, so I do a fair amount of pre-meeting communication. Yes, its time consuming but necessary. Of my last 8 SB meetings, one was not planned as an overnight -- just a drink and 20 minutes of chatting for 2 hours with a CoEd. Of the other 7, only 2 involved an hour at dinner before we were both racing back to the hotel room and 3 others just required a drink before hitting the FC. 2 were planned to meet in my room for a drink, and room service between rounds.

[QUOTE=JoyDrop;3175900]This is NOT correct. I have left my contact info in messages and been contacted by girls that didn't login and get my message until long after my premium status had expired.[/QUOTE]An SB who read my messages before my membership expired was still able to read them. I do not know if an SB can read messages for the first time after the membership has expired for example if she has not been on the site for a while.

Some of our bro's can come up with the correct version of this adage for our situation maybe "want to drill but the bit is broken" anyway reviving an old topic of mine.

Apart from using the correct type and amount of lube what other measures can I take to keep the tool from getting raw and red after pumping too much with it? I think the foreskin is getting caught some where instead of sliding in and out with the rest of the tool. Will applying moisturizer on the tool as part of the its daily care help? Or is it time to see a urologist?

And when the tool does get bruised how to hasten the healing?

I used Cortisone cream OTC but eventually asked my Doc. He prescribed Fluocinonide. Better but still takes time:

BTW brothers. Was visiting MSP so contacted several ladies on SA. One of them turned out to be the infamous anonymousnakedchick of the internet. I had no clue. Met for a drink (actually she downed 4) and she shows me the pics. Had a whole bunch of interesting stories and off to the FC. Profile gone now and not answering her number. Oh well. Enjoy it while it lasts!

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;3178477]Some of our bro's can come up with the correct version of this adage for our situation maybe "want to drill but the bit is broken" anyway reviving an old topic of mine.

Apart from using the correct type and amount of lube what other measures can I take to keep the tool from getting raw and red after pumping too much with it? I think the foreskin is getting caught some where instead of sliding in and out with the rest of the tool. Will applying moisturizer on the tool as part of the its daily care help? Or is it time to see a urologist?

And when the tool does get bruised how to hasten the healing?[/QUOTE]

Thought I would share some cheer with the brethren. How about some nice large nips, going to see her tomorrow. Married, but not satisfied at home.