[QUOTE=AdcFellow;6748358]I had a date set up, but an hour before we were to meet, she told me she was trans. Use that information as you wish. Not sure if the pics are all legit.[/QUOTE]Well that's a twist.
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[QUOTE=AdcFellow;6748358]I had a date set up, but an hour before we were to meet, she told me she was trans. Use that information as you wish. Not sure if the pics are all legit.[/QUOTE]Well that's a twist.
[QUOTE=TomFordModel;6747769][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/8bb7c59d-f994-44e4-a95b-5ad20277e67c?_cf_ref=aHR0cDovL3d3dy51c2FzZXhndWlkZS5ubC8%3D[/URL]
500.
Great BBBJ, bb everything but I can't get into her so onto the next.
She's on time and legit. Very courteous and aim to please.[/QUOTE]Talked to her but wouldn't come down less than 800.
[QUOTE=Itfcd;6748018]Kinda doubt that.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/7a60061a-abde-4e9c-bf8d-f1a24d03acd3[/URL]
You can see photos at the team's IG: howardcheer. I mean, granted, that jawline is doing no favors, but I think we'd probably have seen or heard something in the news if Howard had a transgender cheerleader. Unless you saw a dick in person, I'm skeptical at best.[/QUOTE]TOFTT. Go check it out and do the Crocodile Dundee test. LOL.
If they let trans play women's sports, why not cheerleading?
[QUOTE=TomFordModel;6746551][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/6c63de8f-a1a0-4092-8935-73c2fe6f4222[/URL]
This one is saying she's getting 650 to 800 offers. Who the fuck is doing that shit. LOL.[/QUOTE]Your living in an area where a starter home is $700,000! $650-$800 sounds about right. Two hours south in Richmond Babies way hotter are $200-$400. Then again started homes are $350,000. The math sounds about right?
[QUOTE=DoggieFan;6750561]Your living in an area where a starter home is $700,000! $650-$800 sounds about right. Two hours south in Richmond Babies way hotter are $200-$400. Then again started homes are $350,000. The math sounds about right?[/QUOTE]Home prices have certainly inflated, but not everything has moved higher at the same pace. Providers who rent are certainly paying higher tariffs but providers who own their own place, if they bought pre-pandemic, aren't driven so much by housing costs, rather it's a supply vs demand issue that started as women cut back service during COVID, or took extended absences from the hobby.
Unless or until that calculus changes, the overall price level (for certain categories) is likely to remain elevated. A recession, if we ever get one, could change things. Notice that AMPs are still mostly charging $60-$80 per hour. And extra services, while mostly higher than before, haven't experienced the same kinds of increases. The DMV has always been rather unique in the pricing department.
[QUOTE=DoggieFan;6750561]Your living in an area where a starter home is $700,000! $650-$800 sounds about right. Two hours south in Richmond Babies way hotter are $200-$400. Then again started homes are $350,000. The math sounds about right?[/QUOTE]Shit, she's old and is cute not hot. I get models for that money ch in NYC.
[QUOTE=CuriousVaMan;6717465]I was reading on another board (Atlanta?) other men making the same comment about lack of new talent on Seeking. Someone mentioned it's seasonal, with winter being the slow season. Let's hope that's's true.[/QUOTE]My theory is the true hot, young, Babies with banging bodies & open to posing nude, toying or posting vids of them "coupling", are making more money on Only Fans. Without having to make believe they enjoy doing us old, out of shape and in many cases married guys. Especially if they have a following on IG to steer traffic to their OF account.
Say it ain't so, Bro!
[QUOTE=GuyInTheCorner;6718373]Just permanently deleted my Seeking account and decided to take a break for a while. I've got a 2+ year steady that I adore here, a new superstar for my work travel destination, and a handful of "in case of fire break glass" black book options. The options on Seeking, at least in the DC area, have really dropped off. It's same faces and figures, over and over again. And mind you. I like playing at the older and curvier end of the pool so it's not like I'm fishing for the same size zero college sophomore as most of you. Not seeing the twenty-something "sick of boys my age and want to explore my daddy issues" or thirty-something "just want a consistent fuck and a little side cash to sweeten the kink" women any more.
My gut tells me that at least part of this is the rise of a broader range of dating apps that cater to no traditional dating. Particularly feeld. I haven't tried it (apps are tough for those with discretion needs) but it seems like the women I do click with (including my awesome SB) are all on there.
The Boston market was more promising but even it has dropped off in quality, too. I was in denial for a while but I think I increasingly agree with many of you. Seeking's best days are far behind us. As for why I deleted rather than deactivated? Well, I used a burner email, gift cards, and a sole fake photo, but I just decided whatever minimal benefit there might be to keeping a lukewarm profile up was outweighed by the risk of whatever else they may have gleaned from me being lost in a breach as well as the lost time during moments of weakness when I might log back in "just to see if things have changed."[/QUOTE]What you're experiencing / experienced is happening all over. It's still a viable option if you travel frequently or have the ability to expand your search range 2 hours or so from your home location.
2017 was the last year it was any "good", IMO. The pandemic really put the brakes on our society.
I had never heard of Feeld before today. I got on the web, read their website. It is an app available for both OSs. Why do you say being an app (not a website) is more dangerous? I have put the SA app on my burner phone before. I don't see too big a risk there.
[QUOTE=GuyInTheCorner;6718373]Just permanently deleted my Seeking account and decided to take a break for a while. I've got a 2+ year steady that I adore here, a new superstar for my work travel destination, and a handful of "in case of fire break glass" black book options. The options on Seeking, at least in the DC area, have really dropped off. It's same faces and figures, over and over again. And mind you. I like playing at the older and curvier end of the pool so it's not like I'm fishing for the same size zero college sophomore as most of you. Not seeing the twenty-something "sick of boys my age and want to explore my daddy issues" or thirty-something "just want a consistent fuck and a little side cash to sweeten the kink" women any more.
My gut tells me that at least part of this is the rise of a broader range of dating apps that cater to no traditional dating. Particularly feeld. I haven't tried it (apps are tough for those with discretion needs) but it seems like the women I do click with (including my awesome SB) are all on there.
The Boston market was more promising but even it has dropped off in quality, too. I was in denial for a while but I think I increasingly agree with many of you. Seeking's best days are far behind us. As for why I deleted rather than deactivated? Well, I used a burner email, gift cards, and a sole fake photo, but I just decided whatever minimal benefit there might be to keeping a lukewarm profile up was outweighed by the risk of whatever else they may have gleaned from me being lost in a breach as well as the lost time during moments of weakness when I might log back in "just to see if things have changed."[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DoggieFan;6753369]My theory is the true hot, young, Babies with banging bodies & open to posing nude, toying or posting vids of them "coupling", are making more money on Only Fans. Without having to make believe they enjoy doing us old, out of shape and in many cases married guys. Especially if they have a following on IG to steer traffic to their OF account.
Say it ain't so, Bro![/QUOTE]My bowl buddy, Shampoo55, knows all about this. Almost all girls on only fans are making less per month than they could make in one date on SA. There are a few, of course, who are making thousands, but they are like the top 1-3%. Ask him if you really want to know.
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6753771]I had never heard of Feeld before today. I got on the web, read their website. It is an app available for both OSs. Why do you say being an app (not a website) is more dangerous? I have put the SA app on my burner phone before. I don't see too big a risk there.[/QUOTE]Oh, it isn't the app itself; it's more that the app-based dating services are all organized around photos first and foremost. I've never used a photo on seeking and it's never been an issue since I can approach first and a good screen name and detailed profile do the rest. Admittedly, Feeld is even tougher because its strength (a community of generally open and like minded folks that understand poly and non-monogamous dynamics) also generally don't see the need for discretion.
Separately, though, I also find apps to be a challenge because once you download them, they are always "part of" your history. Sure you can turn off notifications and avoid subscription-based ones, but they are lurking there in the background and I just find they infiltrate so many things more and more these days. For example, Snapchat notifications showing up on your watch even when you turn off banners and such (there's a workaround) or unexpected banner notifications because you accidentally scrolled into a naughty subreddit.
Plus, if you're a married dude, it hard enough to explain away Snapchat or Telegram or a texting app, but it is possible. There's no explanation for a dating app.
[QUOTE=LolBoat;6753650]What you're experiencing / experienced is happening all over. It's still a viable option if you travel frequently or have the ability to expand your search range 2 hours or so from your home location.
2017 was the last year it was any "good", IMO. The pandemic really put the brakes on our society.[/QUOTE]It's funny. I went back and was rereading my old posts and laughed at a post I had from the 2017-2018 timeframe saying I thought we were at the top of the market. Turns out I may have been right. Okay for me now — I'm less about penny stocks and volume trades. Just give me a solid blue chip and I'll take my steady dividends. (Jesus, I've settled for the equivalent of marriage in sugar, haven't I?
[QUOTE=AdcFellow;6748358]I had a date set up, but an hour before we were to meet, she told me she was trans. Use that information as you wish. Not sure if the pics are all legit.[/QUOTE]Said the same for me. I wish people were more upfront vs at the last minute.
[QUOTE=GhorMail;6755523]Said the same for me. I wish people were more upfront vs at the last minute.[/QUOTE]Did you hit it? Some one do it! It will be interesting.
That face looks like a mutant so I'll not sample it.
Will not repeat. Set up for dinner and back to the room. 2 hours before dinner, wants to meet in the lobby of the hotel, no dinner. I should have known then. I cancelled dinner reservations. Shows up 30 minutes late. It is the girl in the pictures. Very petite and pretty. Great attitude. We have good convoy. Then she says she wants to wash her hands. She literally washed her hands for 3 minutes. Guys do know how long that is. Come out and says do you want to wash your hands. Sure. Out to the bed and she is completely naked. She says she doesn't like to kiss. Even her boy friends. No blow job! It is part of her clean thing. I am exploring all those tattoos and trying to find those spots that drive her crazy. She keeps trying to get me to put on a condom. I think she thinks wants to get this over fast. I put on the condom backwards. She asked me not to use it because it has precum on it. Went Mish. And she kept giving rules. I finally lost my erection. Got a expensive hand job. Said that was a lot of cum. Goes to restroom and washes her hands longer than before. She used 2 different towels to dry her hands.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/e2a0a07a-4314-4ab5-b2cb-52721e998947[/URL]
Any info on this one? PM or respond in open forum. Thanks.
[QUOTE=FabGnale;6757005]Will not repeat. Set up for dinner and back to the room. 2 hours before dinner, wants to meet in the lobby of the hotel, no dinner. I should have known then. I cancelled dinner reservations. Shows up 30 minutes late. It is the girl in the pictures. Very petite and pretty. Great attitude. We have good convoy. Then she says she wants to wash her hands. She literally washed her hands for 3 minutes. Guys do know how long that is. Come out and says do you want to wash your hands. Sure. Out to the bed and she is completely naked. She says she doesn't like to kiss. Even her boy friends. No blow job! It is part of her clean thing. I am exploring all those tattoos and trying to find those spots that drive her crazy. She keeps trying to get me to put on a condom. I think she thinks wants to get this over fast. I put on the condom backwards. She asked me not to use it because it has precum on it. Went Mish. And she kept giving rules. I finally lost my erection. Got a expensive hand job. Said that was a lot of cum. Goes to restroom and washes her hands longer than before. She used 2 different towels to dry her hands.[/QUOTE]You should have search before seeing her. I think half the forum plowed her already. I was an early one.
She's a pro.
[URL]https://www.eros.com/washington_dc/files/8631606.htm?cat=1[/URL]
Persianbaddie_2000.
Wants 3 k for the first meet. Bad attitude.
Blocked and cannot provide link.
LovingItGirl.
Want 3-4 k per month allowance.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/bc6ec86e-a969-4b18-8a9c-ee02af04452a[/URL]
[QUOTE=TomFordModel;6757433]You should have search before seeing her. I think half the forum plowed her already. I was an early one.[/QUOTE]I did do a search and nothing came up. I used Alicebby. Probably should have just used Alice in the search. Lesson learned the hard way.
[QUOTE=FabGnale;6759040]I did do a search and nothing came up. I used Alicebby. Probably should have just used Alice in the search. Lesson learned the hard way.[/QUOTE]There's dozens of posts on how to search in this forum. You don't search by username, you search by those first 8 characters in the URL after the / member /.
[QUOTE=NeedXtra;6758246]Persianbaddie_2000.
Wants 3 k for the first meet. Bad attitude.[/QUOTE]Not terribly hot.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/e9d57778-63e1-4c25-803c-4b96522a5150[/URL]
[QUOTE=Max#01;6760417]Not terribly hot.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/e9d57778-63e1-4c25-803c-4b96522a5150[/URL][/QUOTE]This is a new profile. She had been discussed a decent amount on her last profile. Used to go by Froyo.
Since my gorgeous teenie babie left me for her vanilla bf I've been struggling to find anyone halfway comparable on seeking.
So I signed up (free) for secret benefits.
Seem to be a lot more active HOT and verified profiles (I only go for 18-24, slim / athletic, 8+, white / middle eastern type) on secret benefits.
BUT I hear the app is a shit scam. Paying for credits anwhere from $3 to $6 per contact depending on the package you purchase. Problem is seems like response rates are just as bad if not worse than on seeking.
Guys. Any tips for secret benefits in our area?
Should I drop $$ on it? What is the best strategy to get a better response rate? Can we "favorite / like / wink" at profiles for free to see if they look before dropping the $$$ credits to msg them?
I've pretty much contacted and fucked every girl on seeking that I want (and who responded back LOL) so I'm taking a longggg hiatus from seeking until. Oh I dunno. Spring?
Also any idea on sugardaddymeet site specificially for our area?
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/a83924d5-0506-4696-81a5-9b281af60622[/URL]
Total nut job. Talked to her on the phone. Something is off about her. Might be younger than she says she is or a different person from the pics. Definitely a female. Communication was spotty and she expected me to meet up with her after replying to texts in 30 minute.
Intervals. Got mad and blamed me for it. Wants 500 ppm or 2500 monthly allowance. Maybe one of you guys can crack the code.
Isn't this chick the one that's gotten a couple of our brother mongers banned from Seeking?
[QUOTE=CireSire;6760898][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/a83924d5-0506-4696-81a5-9b281af60622[/URL]
Total nut job. Talked to her on the phone. Something is off about her. Might be younger than she says she is or a different person from the pics. Definitely a female. Communication was spotty and she expected me to meet up with her after replying to texts in 30 minute.
Intervals. Got mad and blamed me for it. Wants 500 ppm or 2500 monthly allowance. Maybe one of you guys can crack the code.[/QUOTE]
Juggled 2 SB's seeking attention this weekend. Both had time restrictions secondary to grad school / boyfriend-SB#1; work / family SB#2. As it worked out, saw SB#1 on Friday evening and SB#2 on Saturday morning. And used the same room. After SB#1 left, I showered and then "accidentally" spilled a little soft drink on the sheets, called the front desk and asked for a change in the linen. Stripped the bed, threw in the towel, left the bathroom spotless and returned to a fresh room the next morning. I've done something similar in a room with double beds, but never with a single king.
She reached out to me in my DM.
Thanks to your posts, I said, I respectfully decline.
I was blocked end of story.
[QUOTE=Max#01;6760417]Not terribly hot.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/e9d57778-63e1-4c25-803c-4b96522a5150[/URL][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=CireSire;6760898][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/a83924d5-0506-4696-81a5-9b281af60622[/URL]
Total nut job. Talked to her on the phone. Something is off about her. Might be younger than she says she is or a different person from the pics. Definitely a female. Communication was spotty and she expected me to meet up with her after replying to texts in 30 minute.
Intervals. Got mad and blamed me for it. Wants 500 ppm or 2500 monthly allowance. Maybe one of you guys can crack the code.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=CuriousVaMan;6760958]Isn't this chick the one that's gotten a couple of our brother mongers banned from Seeking?[/QUOTE]She's real. I saw her a few times back in June. Cute little thing and a ton of fun in bed but definitely on the crazy side. I didn't find her on Seeking but instead on Tinder. Didn't pay her anything but definitely took her on some expensive dates but was worth it do be able to pump multiple loads into that tiny little girl. She never said no to anything. Stopped seeing her when I started getting the crazy vibes from her.
[URL]https://go.tinder.com/5cthR2WtTvE-Amy[/URL]
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/47c31b3f-982f-486a-9ca4-f4cd6a67af39[/URL]
Chatted with this young lady 4-5 months ago on the SA site; seemed nice, but went dark, so I sent her my hobby phone number and let her know that she could text me when she was ready to meet. Fast forward 4-5 months later, I receive a message from an unknown number, she tells me that it's her and that she is ready to meet. We schedule to meet this upcoming week for drinks and playtime afterwards. She asks, "Do you do ppm?" and follows with "1 k is my standard. " She declines to budge / negotiate, so I respectfully decline and wish her well. The pics are nice, but IMO, not "1 k" nice. Be safe out there.
No fuckin way, her on the normal side on tinder. Wild. We met up on a date from seeking, we talked alot, and finally she explains she's looking for a long term commitment for an arraignment. 3 k a month. Maybe if I was 55 I would. I explained I was looking for ppm and a girlfriend as I don't think I can commit 3 k every month for god knows how long. That did not sit well with her and the absolute craziness started. I am getting the vibe she is a pro, like what news articles write about SBs having multiple SDs and getting 100 k+ a year. She mentioned she lost 2 SDs recently and things have been tough I think desperation fueled the craziness.
With this post below I may reconsider, or maybe not she definitely burned the bridge with the craziness things she said, a lot of things has been said. She is a nice mixed beauty, petite, extremely cute, dresses very classy, expensive dates for sure.
[QUOTE=MjThrill42;6761427]She's real. I saw her a few times back in June. Cute little thing and a ton of fun in bed but definitely on the crazy side. I didn't find her on Seeking but instead on Tinder. Didn't pay her anything but definitely took her on some expensive dates but was worth it do be able to pump multiple loads into that tiny little girl. She never said no to anything. Stopped seeing her when I started getting the crazy vibes from her.
[URL]https://go.tinder.com/5cthR2WtTvE-Amy[/URL][/QUOTE]
I wanted to wait for some time to release this review.
For those who seek big booty Latinas, I think this is a near perfect gem. I messaged her in early December and she told me her PPM was $600, I told her I would reach back soon, so I could think contemplate giving up 5 hundo for this experience. I reached back in January on the website and she said to message her on Snapchat rather than text and I should hurry up and meet with her as she will be leaving the US soon. I did as I was ready. This time she said $500 and I was relieved. We spoke about logistics, got a hotel and she drove to me. She arrived in lounged wear, oversized sweats, typical sweater / blouse. I didn't mind, whatever makes her comfortable as we all know what's beneath those clothes. We spent a while talking for about half an hour before business started. She undressed and the view couldn't have been any better. Super tiny waist and a huge booty, all natural. Her skin was soft & silky smooth, virgin from tats and piercings. Small tits with pink nips, just wow. I wanted to start off by going down however she said that was a big no no, we did LFK, missionary, cowgirl, awesome CBJ, doggy, prone bone position and finished off in missionary. As mentioned in the previous review "I entered her in every way imaginable. She was tight, responsive, submissive to each position and vocal. " is accurate. That $500 was totally worth it. Man you guys missed out this one maybe you can catch her in Argentina with Argentinian prices.
[QUOTE=TheBarbarian;6714117]I took the plunge to on Argentinian Baby to discover whether she was gem or a catfish.
Our conversation on the SA was brief, swiftly transitioning from formalities to discussing the logistics of a potential arrangement.
The negotiation journey began with an initial request of $1 k, eventually settling at $500 for a two-hour engagement that promised multiple rounds.
We met at a nearby hotel, and without a shadow of a doubt, she was undoubtedly the person in the photos. However, a couple of observations gave me pause.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Travellerzz;6761926]No fuckin way, her on the normal side on tinder. Wild. We met up on a date from seeking, we talked alot, and finally she explains she's looking for a long term commitment for an arraignment. 3 k a month. Maybe if I was 55 I would. I explained I was looking for ppm and a girlfriend as I don't think I can commit 3 k every month for god knows how long. That did not sit well with her and the absolute craziness started. I am getting the vibe she is a pro, like what news articles write about SBs having multiple SDs and getting 100 k+ a year. She mentioned she lost 2 SDs recently and things have been tough I think desperation fueled the craziness.
With this post below I may reconsider, or maybe not she definitely burned the bridge with the craziness things she said, a lot of things has been said. She is a nice mixed beauty, petite, extremely cute, dresses very classy, expensive dates for sure.[/QUOTE]How old are you? This short chunky beast thing.
[QUOTE=Travellerzz;6761962]I wanted to wait for some time to release this review.
For those who seek big booty Latinas, I think this is a near perfect gem. I messaged her in early December and she told me her PPM was $600, I told her I would reach back soon, so I could think contemplate giving up 5 hundo for this experience. I reached back in January on the website and she said to message her on Snapchat rather than text and I should hurry up and meet with her as she will be leaving the US soon. I did as I was ready. This time she said $500 and I was relieved. We spoke about logistics, got a hotel and she drove to me. She arrived in lounged wear, oversized sweats, typical sweater / blouse. I didn't mind, whatever makes her comfortable as we all know what's beneath those clothes. We spent a while talking for about half an hour before business started. She undressed and the view couldn't have been any better. Super tiny waist and a huge booty, all natural. Her skin was soft & silky smooth, virgin from tats and piercings. Small tits with pink nips, just wow. I wanted to start off by going down however she said that was a big no no, we did LFK, missionary, cowgirl, awesome CBJ, doggy, prone bone position and finished off in missionary. As mentioned in the previous review "I entered her in every way imaginable. She was tight, responsive, submissive to each position and vocal. " is accurate. That $500 was totally worth it. Man you guys missed out this one maybe you can catch her in Argentina with Argentinian prices.[/QUOTE]LFK.
CBJ.
No going down.
CFS.
500?
Anyone met this girl? You can tell she's been a dancer before.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/092e7a23-3655-42f5-a452-5fe570f37677[/URL]
I think this one's a pro. Wants 800 for an hour. Told her I'd want a minimum 4-5 hrs for that rate she said no thanks.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/10a74829-4470-4282-9bd6-0dcf81c33681[/URL]
This one's legitimately looking for platonic only, says she's saving herself for marriage LOL.
Vonvon.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/1af311e9-3637-45c1-8851-f87b3a86a9a7[/URL]
[QUOTE=TomFordModel;6762005]How old are you? This short chunky beast thing.[/QUOTE]Nobody asked your fucking opinion dude. To each his own.
[QUOTE=BDM1227;6762301]LFK.
CBJ.
No going down.
CFS.
500?[/QUOTE]LMFAO. Was going to post the exact same thing.
500 and CBJ?
[QUOTE=Travellerzz;6761962]I wanted to wait for some time to release this review.
For those who seek big booty Latinas, I think this is a near perfect gem. I messaged her in early December and she told me her PPM was $600, I told her I would reach back soon, so I could think contemplate giving up 5 hundo for this experience. I reached back in January on the website and she said to message her on Snapchat rather than text and I should hurry up and meet with her as she will be leaving the US soon. I did as I was ready. This time she said $500 and I was relieved. We spoke about logistics, got a hotel and she drove to me. She arrived in lounged wear, oversized sweats, typical sweater / blouse. I didn't mind, whatever makes her comfortable as we all know what's beneath those clothes. We spent a while talking for about half an hour before business started. She undressed and the view couldn't have been any better. Super tiny waist and a huge booty, all natural. Her skin was soft & silky smooth, virgin from tats and piercings. Small tits with pink nips, just wow. I wanted to start off by going down however she said that was a big no no, we did LFK, missionary, cowgirl, awesome CBJ, doggy, prone bone position and finished off in missionary. As mentioned in the previous review "I entered her in every way imaginable. She was tight, responsive, submissive to each position and vocal. " is accurate. That $500 was totally worth it. Man you guys missed out this one maybe you can catch her in Argentina with Argentinian prices.[/QUOTE]Maybe this is a dumb question, but I'm curious who took the picture while you was giving it to her from the back?
[QUOTE=BDM1227;6762301]LFK.
CBJ.
No going down.
CFS.
500?[/QUOTE]I will say, the limited menu is why I didn't see her again, but like I said and the most recent reviewer highlighted, she has one of the most unique waist to ass ratios; Natural and truly impressive. Not to mention super tight. Of course we all want more for the price point but IMO there are times you take less with no regret.