"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;3140186]Couldn't agree with you more.

A good looking, fit, smart, well groomed, well dressed, and charming personality mid 40 to mid 50 guy can get way more pussies than a hot young stud. I guaranteed it.

And here's a secret. Work out 3-5 days a week, eat healthy, sleep well, take proper supplements and you will look like a 40 yr old when you're in your 50's.[/QUOTE]You guys are math-challenged. I'm 61, so I want (and have had) that girl who is 1/3 my age (a 20 YO) - a 'female' 3 x my age would be dead / gross.

[QUOTE=Beachesnole02;3136960]So October ended up being a real binge. My CL experience I wrote about before produced additional hits. 8 new women in the FC, and 2 that I repeated with. Here are 3 more, the bikini is a one and done great body but turned out to be a UTR, the other 2 are keepers, as is one whose pic I won't share. I have taken down the ad, will stay with these for a while.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the porn shots and sharing your exceptional fortune in the "sugar " world. No offence intended but this kind of success stretches the imagination.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;3140186]Couldn't agree with you more.

A good looking, fit, smart, well groomed, well dressed, and charming personality mid 40 to mid 50 guy can get way more pussies than a hot young stud. I guaranteed it.

And here's a secret. Work out 3-5 days a week, eat healthy, sleep well, take proper supplements and you will look like a 40 yr old when you're in your 50's.[/QUOTE]All true, except the SBs want money, and will go to the guy who is more likely to be a more seasoned guy. It certainly helps if you are as Smokey says.

[QUOTE=Dmv113;3139068]Youngest I had had just turned 18 but my Xscore is at 2.

I met an 18 yr old Korean girl last week and we went at it nonstop for six hours till my crotch began to hurt. How may times does that happen? LOL.[/QUOTE]Some funny stories to go along with her too! We were skiing and there was problem w ski pass I got for her. The ticket checkered call pass office" mister v is here with his daughter. " haha she then said to the ticket checker. " you wouldn't be call me his daughter if you had seen him pounding my ass and pussy 2 hours ago" one of my better SD / SB non sex moments!

This is some really great info, seems like you've worked it out great! This is going in the good knowledge file.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;3136604]Couldn't agree with VA SAIL more.

Rentals are great because they provide for a whole host of opportunites. Need to fix the place up, so I've got to run to the home improvement store for a few hours, then got to fix the toilet. Cash for improvements are a perfect cover for withdrawals for a few 100. Did your tenants tell you that they're out of town and ask you to pick up their mail? Automatic fc spot. Just tell the baby you rented on air B&B, otherwise she will have a way to track you. In between tenants? Same deal. Free fc for a week or two. Realtors must have a field day with this.

Boats are great too. Young babies love being on the water in their bikinis. Get a boat with a cuddy cabin. Again, free fc. Bang on the boat. You can also "pack a picnic with wine" and watch your dating costs drop considerably as well. They say that boats are moneypits, but that's only if you're not using them to defray sugar costs. If you're rich enough to have a boat that has a full on cabin that's docked 40 minutes away, again, use that as a room. Tell your baby to meet you at the restaurant in a different Marina, to make sure she can't trace you back to your slip.

Another one of my favorites is the poker room. Tell your so you're going to the casino. Most SOs have no desire to sit for 5 hours of grinding on a table. Cash in 1000 in chips and take a picture of them on the table, with a message that you're up huge! Your so will be happy that you're coming back with money, then cash them back out, and spend the evening out with your baby.

Those are just a few of my favorites. But the rental property and boat are huge.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=FredMoore;3140346]Thanks for the porn shots and sharing your exceptional fortune in the "sugar " world. No offence intended but this kind of success stretches the imagination.[/QUOTE]I have no explanation for what happened. CL has produced a couple over the years before this, but nothing like this time. Maybe the hurricane interfered with the job opportunities they were looking for. Like I said one in the first batch, and one in the second was probably utr, I did not pick it up in the meet and greet. Of the other 6, 2 told me they had a special need for cash and did not plan on doing it more than one. How they acted when the cloths came off bore out that they were not in the business. In any event, I will not be looking again for a while, and I cannot afford another binge like that, mentally, or financially. As for the pics, I have noticed since you guys ran off HWG that none of you post anything. I am careful not to show faces or tattoos that could be identified. Since the discussions here have been more about things that happened in the past, I thought the new readers might like to know what is happening now.

[QUOTE=Beachesnole02;3140950]As for the pics, I have noticed since you guys ran off HWG that none of you post anything. [/QUOTE]Nobody ran HWG off. He verbally attacked me and was unable to handle what followed next, so he left the Richmond thread, which made sense anyway since he doesn't even play on the east coast. Those who wanted to read his daily diary found him easily enough after that, so please leave the shit stirring out of this thread.

Some of us don't post pics because we value our own privacy and practice what we preach. I personally am not a fan of the "sharing" culture, I think it's for teenagers and facebook. I don't need validation from others that my girls are hot and they probably don't want to be posted.

The bowl is more about privacy than sharing for most people.

I've been just amazed at how clueless some of these 20 somethings are.

One SB is an honors grad from a top school who is working as a Nanny (liberal arts degree in the Obama economy. Go figure) in the DC area. Seemingly very intelligent, can talk about most subjects, active volunteer. Kind of what you hope the next generation would be.

40% of her take home pay goes to student loan payments.

In the past year.

She moved into her own apartment vs. Having 2 roommates.

Started ordering from Blue Apron in order to make cooking / shopping less stressful.

Went to Cabo for a week.

Started applying to grad schools.

Found out her mom did not Co-Sign one of her student loans, so she is on the hook for an extra $150 a month.

Complained about having her debit card info stolen at the Farmers Market and having a week's pay disappear in fraudulent charges.

Then she asks me if I know of any good, cheap hotels in NYC because grad school apps and work is SOOOO stressful she and her friends just have to have a Girls Trip to NYC before her head explodes.

Thank goodness for clueless, entitled hotties.

Good to see you back Beach! I've found CL to be a goldmine myself. I've never had much luck with the resumes section, but filled my last rotation with various ads on various sites, including CL.

Not sure why your story would generate skepticism. Having heard the stories of countless pots over the years, nothing surprises me anymore. Having the kind of success I've had in the bowl also makes lmany of the stories on this forum easy to believe.

Also the shorty economy has been great for the games I like to play. I continue to hope that more and more of these pretty young things keep majoring in things like art history!

Will update the board on my new rotation shortly.

Fish on brother.

Fish out.

[QUOTE=Beachesnole02;3140950]I have no explanation for what happened. CL has produced a couple over the years before this, but nothing like this time. Maybe the hurricane interfered with the job opportunities they were looking for. Like I said one in the first batch, and one in the second was probably utr, I did not pick it up in the meet and greet. Of the other 6, 2 told me they had a special need for cash and did not plan on doing it more than one. How they acted when the cloths came off bore out that they were not in the business. In any event, I will not be looking again for a while, and I cannot afford another binge like that, mentally, or financially. As for the pics, I have noticed since you guys ran off HWG that none of you post anything. I am careful not to show faces or tattoos that could be identified. Since the discussions here have been more about things that happened in the past, I thought the new readers might like to know what is happening now.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3140246]You guys are math-challenged. I'm 61, so I want (and have had) that girl who is 1/3 my age (a 20 YO) - a 'female' 3 x my age would be dead / gross.[/QUOTE]One word makes a big difference, my bad english.

[QUOTE=Beachesnole02;3140950]I have no explanation for what happened. CL has produced a couple over the years before this, but nothing like this time. Maybe the hurricane interfered with the job opportunities they were looking for. Like I said one in the first batch, and one in the second was probably utr, I did not pick it up in the meet and greet. Of the other 6, 2 told me they had a special need for cash and did not plan on doing it more than one. How they acted when the cloths came off bore out that they were not in the business. In any event, I will not be looking again for a while, and I cannot afford another binge like that, mentally, or financially. As for the pics, I have noticed since you guys ran off HWG that none of you post anything. I am careful not to show faces or tattoos that could be identified. Since the discussions here have been more about things that happened in the past, I thought the new readers might like to know what is happening now.[/QUOTE]I too had some amazing successes with CL ads. They come and go, but CL just works better for me compared to SA or SD4 M.

I am always looking for new approaches and ideas to hunt, so if you don't mind sharing your methods on CL feel free to shoot me a PM. I am opened to sharing my ways if you're interested, though I doubt you need it want to.

+1 on the planting seeds early advice. Slowly integrate the schedule that will allow for extracurricular, even if you aren't actively looking yet. That includes your overall health and fitness. "This is where I want to be in six months. ".

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2851264]Well said Mike. Very well said. It's also, in a nutshell, how one converts an SB from a demanding POT to a into a submissive that will do whatever you want, whenever you want.[/QUOTE]I want to revive this part of the thread to explore how to manipulate SBs. Help me out, Fish.

I have a couple of girls close to me who put right in their profile they are submissive. I know it is pretty common for SBs to be this way. I am not naturally dominant, but I have a few ideas. I just like these particular girls for their looks and other stuff, and want to 1) get them and 2) please them. I'd like any pointers anyone is willing to share on #1 in terms of messaging approaches. The things guys have been posting about #2 are: verbal stuff, hair pulling, spanking, ropes. I've been giving my babies some orders at least. What else are subs wanting done to them? Let's try to collect a lot of resources in one place. Perhaps it can get added to the highlights.

[QUOTE=StormyTuesday;3079792]I posted a few months back on this topic. I use three subscription based services. PeopleSmart (about $25 every 6 months), Spokeo (about $40 a year) and Intelius (about $100 a year). I use these also for the type of work I am in. People Smart seems to be better getting owner names of cell phone #s, Spokeo is good with email addresses and also has a arrest record option (though they don't tell you the nature of the offense) and Intellius's specialty is finding individuals and their relatives, addresses, birth date, etc). Although I always love it when their cell phone takes me right to their FB page but I have also used the "Find Friend" feature on facebook by entering extra info that I may already know (name of employer, school, hometown, current town) with only a first name.[/QUOTE]Any update on this, ST? I just looked at PeopleSmart, and they are now on a monthly billing process w / a specific # of searches.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3144987]Any update on this, ST? I just looked at PeopleSmart, and they are now on a monthly billing process w / a specific # of searches.[/QUOTE]Glad you asked. I recently stumbled onto a free site, [URL]www.atlaspublicrecords.com[/URL]. Their data shows the criminal records, usually with the description of the offense. Also shows the address and birthdate. Doesn't pull up everyone I have put in but if the girl has an unusual name then you will have better luck.

So recently I went on the SA website. I actually thought you would have to pay to set up an account. To my surprise, it allowed me to set up a profile / account etc. Without any membership fee. So I did that and got it all set up. Then I started getting all of these emails that my profile had been been viewed. Ok understand that. Some said my profile had been favorited. So my first question is what does that really mean if anything?

Then some of the emails said I had been messaged. When I tried to open the message, then I got a message that I had to upgrade my account, and there is a membership fee associated with that. Ok, that's cool but the only option for payment is a credit card. Like many on that site I suspect, I am married and I don't have a credit card in just my name. Furthermore, if you use a credit card, then you have to provide your name etc. Etc. Not sure I want to do that. So I guess my question is, is there any other way to sign up and pay fees other than by credit card? As an example another membership I have to another site allows you to pay by mailing in money order but I did not see that option.

Final question is if someone sends you are message, is it likely something that has potential and real or is it just a fishing expedition.

I am new at this so sorry for the questions but hopefully some will be understanding and provide some information. Just trying to learn. Any other info that you feel would be helpful would be appreciated as well. If you prefer to PM me, that would be fine. Thanks in advance.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?15100-Sugarbaby-Thread-Highlights-Index-and-FAQ[/URL]

There is a wealth of information in this thread that will answer your questions. Fortunately, there is also an index to Frequently Asked Questions and some of the best replies to those questions. I've attached the link above to help you find the FAQ.

Best of luck.

[QUOTE=RappaHannock;3146507]So recently I went on the SA website. I actually thought you would have to pay to set up an account. To my surprise, it allowed me to set up a profile / account etc. Without any membership fee. So I did that and got it all set up. Then I started getting all of these emails that my profile had been been viewed. Ok understand that. Some said my profile had been favorited. So my first question is what does that really mean if anything?

Then some of the emails said I had been messaged. When I tried to open the message, then I got a message that I had to upgrade my account, and there is a membership fee associated with that. Ok, that's cool but the only option for payment is a credit card. Like many on that site I suspect, I am married and I don't have a credit card in just my name. Furthermore, if you use a credit card, then you have to provide your name etc. Etc. Not sure I want to do that. So I guess my question is, is there any other way to sign up and pay fees other than by credit card? As an example another membership I have to another site allows you to pay by mailing in money order but I did not see that option.

Final question is if someone sends you are message, is it likely something that has potential and real or is it just a fishing expedition.

I am new at this so sorry for the questions but hopefully some will be understanding and provide some information. Just trying to learn. Any other info that you feel would be helpful would be appreciated as well. If you prefer to PM me, that would be fine. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3144946]I have a couple of girls close to me who put right in their profile they are submissive. I know it is pretty common for SBs to be this way. I am not naturally dominant, but I have a few ideas. I just like these particular girls for their looks and other stuff, and want to 1) get them and 2) please them. I'd like any pointers anyone is willing to share on #1 in terms of messaging approaches. The things guys have been posting about #2 are: verbal stuff, hair pulling, spanking, ropes. I've been giving my babies some orders at least. What else are subs wanting done to them? Let's try to collect a lot of resources in one place. Perhaps it can get added to the highlights.[/QUOTE]Some just arent cut out fot it. There are lotsa fun restsr=traints. Get creative. Are you creative?

[QUOTE=RappaHannock;3146507]So recently I went on the SA website. I actually thought you would have to pay to set up an account. To my surprise, it allowed me to set up a profile / account etc. Without any membership fee. So I did that and got it all set up. Then I started getting all of these emails that my profile had been been viewed. Ok understand that. Some said my profile had been favorited. So my first question is what does that really mean if anything?

Then some of the emails said I had been messaged. When I tried to open the message, then I got a message that I had to upgrade my account, and there is a membership fee associated with that. Ok, that's cool but the only option for payment is a credit card. Like many on that site I suspect, I am married and I don't have a credit card in just my name. Furthermore, if you use a credit card, then you have to provide your name etc. Etc. Not sure I want to do that. So I guess my question is, is there any other way to sign up and pay fees other than by credit card? As an example another membership I have to another site allows you to pay by mailing in money order but I did not see that option.

Final question is if someone sends you are message, is it likely something that has potential and real or is it just a fishing expedition.

I am new at this so sorry for the questions but hopefully some will be understanding and provide some information. Just trying to learn. Any other info that you feel would be helpful would be appreciated as well. If you prefer to PM me, that would be fine. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]One specific of my fairly recent experiience getting on SA is that favoriting doesn't mean much unless she's local. I keep my profile hidden otherwise I get contaacted from all over the world w / people I have no interest in. I favorite girls b / c that enables me to keep track of them, see when they've been on, etc. Perhaps they do the same to us.

I run into these brainless girls all the time. I can't believe how dumb they are. It kind of makes me sick.

I think all these girls are really in NYC to protest Trump winning the election.

[QUOTE=CarltonW;3141348]I've been just amazed at how clueless some of these 20 somethings are.

One SB is an honors grad from a top school who is working as a Nanny (liberal arts degree in the Obama economy. Go figure) in the DC area. Seemingly very intelligent, can talk about most subjects, active volunteer. Kind of what you hope the next generation would be.

40% of her take home pay goes to student loan payments.

In the past year.

She moved into her own apartment vs. Having 2 roommates.

Started ordering from Blue Apron in order to make cooking / shopping less stressful.

Went to Cabo for a week.

Started applying to grad schools.

Found out her mom did not Co-Sign one of her student loans, so she is on the hook for an extra $150 a month.

Complained about having her debit card info stolen at the Farmers Market and having a week's pay disappear in fraudulent charges.

Then she asks me if I know of any good, cheap hotels in NYC because grad school apps and work is SOOOO stressful she and her friends just have to have a Girls Trip to NYC before her head explodes.

Thank goodness for clueless, entitled hotties.[/QUOTE]

Almost pulled it off yesterday. Breakfast with POT 1 turned into a fun wild romp that had her squirt all over the bed. Lunch with POT 2 turned into a three-round marathon with me throwing her around like a rag doll, making her scream like crazy, and, yes, squirting all over the bed again. (Both were porn star level explosions too. That duvet is shot! POT 3 for happy hour seemed like it would turn into more fun, but I ran out of time and needed to get home. (Good decision because as it turned out there were issues on the home front.). So close. I have been flirting with retirement and this may be my way to go out on top.

[QUOTE=GuyInTheCorner;3147253]Almost pulled it off yesterday. Breakfast with POT 1 turned into a fun wild romp that had her squirt all over the bed. Lunch with POT 2 turned into a three-round marathon with me throwing her around like a rag doll, making her scream like crazy, and, yes, squirting all over the bed again. (Both were porn star level explosions too. That duvet is shot! POT 3 for happy hour seemed like it would turn into more fun, but I ran out of time and needed to get home. (Good decision because as it turned out there were issues on the home front.). So close. I have been flirting with retirement and this may be my way to go out on top.[/QUOTE]The fact that lack of time was the only thing stopping you from meeting the third alone is reason to get a plaque made in your own honor and hang it on your wall. I'm usually sufficiently overwhelmed with guilt after a few rounds of sex with only one SB that I usually need a day before my little head regains control and makes me crave another. But I guess that's more a statement about where I am with my SO overall.

I have considered retirement too, but I refrain from "officially" deciding anything, because I fear my retirement is going to be more like those entertainers or athletes that announce their retirement only to keep coming back for "ok, now this is REALLY the last tour... this time for real."

I think a gradual scaling back is better in my case, as opposed to drawing any lines for myself that are not to be crossed. That's one strategy for a well-managed addiction, allow a little slack in the rope for error and there's a better chance at sustenance.

[QUOTE=JZLizard;3147390]The fact that lack of time was the only thing stopping you from meeting the third alone is reason to get a plaque made in your own honor and hang it on your wall. I'm usually sufficiently overwhelmed with guilt after a few rounds of sex with only one SB that I usually need a day before my little head regains control and makes me crave another. But I guess that's more a statement about where I am with my SO overall.

I have considered retirement too, but I refrain from "officially" deciding anything, because I fear my retirement is going to be more like those entertainers or athletes that announce their retirement only to keep coming back for "ok, now this is REALLY the last tour". I think a gradual scaling back is better in my case than drawing any lines that are not to be crossed. That's one strategy for addiction, allow a little slack in the rope for error and there's a better chance at sustenance.[/QUOTE]You guys aren't hoping to expire while a 20-something is impaled upon you? I recall the wishes of Thurgood Marshall, Supreme Court justice, who wished to die by being shot dead at the age of 84 by a jealous husband. Actually, a quick google search took me to the actual quote:

"I expect to die at 110, shot by a jealous husband. ".

I am doing something wrong. LOL.

1. My skills are sub-par.

Or.

2. I live in the WRONG place.

Most girls on SA around me want online only or big bucks and wait to see how things go.

[QUOTE=GuyInTheCorner;3147253]Almost pulled it off yesterday. Breakfast with POT 1 turned into a fun wild romp that had her squirt all over the bed. Lunch with POT 2 turned into a three-round marathon with me throwing her around like a rag doll, making her scream like crazy, and, yes, squirting all over the bed again. (Both were porn star level explosions too. That duvet is shot! POT 3 for happy hour seemed like it would turn into more fun, but I ran out of time and needed to get home. (Good decision because as it turned out there were issues on the home front.). So close. I have been flirting with retirement and this may be my way to go out on top.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3147394]You guys aren't hoping to expire while a 20-something is impaled upon you? I recall the wishes of Thurgood Marshall, Supreme Court justice, who wished to die by being shot dead at the age of 84 by a jealous husband. Actually, a quick google search took me to the actual quote:
"I expect to die at 110, shot by a jealous husband. ".[/QUOTE]If I can afford to bang a 20-something when I'm 84, I will also invest in the aforementioned plaque that honors my accomplishment to hang on the wall. Without a doubt I won't be able to pique their interest for anything beyond money (assuming I still have some at that point), thus will be ineligible for "dateable guy" discounts. If my retirement savings plus social security allows me to take a ride like that once a month and my dick is up to the task at that age I'll call it a win.

[QUOTE=EnzoAmore;3147691]I am doing something wrong. LOL.

1. My skills are sub-par.

Or.

2. I live in the WRONG place.

Most girls on SA around me want online only or big bucks and wait to see how things go.[/QUOTE]It has occurred to me that there are different bowl experiences depending on location. I look at some other cities' active threads, and those seem to be more like BP. I think in liberal SoCal, girls have a lot of exposure to sex, aren't hung up about it, and don't view the bowl as downright escorting. They have friends who have had arrangements they learn from, and it is expensive as hell to live here, so they have to do something.

A couple of qualifiers / notes:

1) I'm in the DC area.

2) all three were early 30's.

3) none were spinners but they were all objectively beautiful. Three distinct body types all with varying degree of curves.

4) first one actually didn't want or expect a gift. I was her first time doing this. But I have learned from my brethren that always better to give cash lest other things be expected. Second was 3, which was a little higher than I would have liked but I don't negotiate and it was a fair expectation. Not sure what the third would have been.

5) only popped once with the second. First was too wet. Second was as well but she let me get really rough and that flipped the switch. Honestly the neighbors might have thought I was attacking her.

I've heard this from someone else posting. The full moon or something is going on and making all these girls seek us out. I am getting all kinds of messages from POTs and other former SBs. I literally have 1 or 2 meets per day this week. How the heck am I going to get any work done?

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3149390]I've heard this from someone else posting. The full moon or something is going on and making all these girls seek us out. I am getting all kinds of messages from POTs and other former SBs. I literally have 1 or 2 meets per day this week. How the heck am I going to get any work done?[/QUOTE]Lunar cycles rev up menstrual cycles and hormones. [URL]http://www.menstruation.com.au/periodpages/mooncycles.html[/URL].

One MILF I see only wants to fuck the week after her period when she is a total animal.

Trying to decide what to do w / this one and need other viewpoints. Posted on the LA thread (essence below) about InlandMILF. I'll PM her profile if anyone wants it. It says submissive.

"InlandMILF. M&G complete, great person, stable / reliable, wanted a lot, negotiated down to my usual, also offered to host (but is a half hour drive out of my usual zone. Tradeoff. Risk of exposure vs. Cost of room)".

My difficulty is that I had a past SB, ModelMILF, I had to travel out of my way to get to the FC. I was always paranoid something would happen when I was out of pocket that would cause the SO to wonder 'what were you doing there?' There were some other non-optimum features also that led me to quit her, and once I did it was a relief. I've mostly been fishing much closer to home. This gal actually reminds me a lot of ModelMILF. Is that alarm bells, to be gravitating to the same style baby? Others have observed that if a girl will meet you she almost certainly has already decided she will fuck you, at least at her price point. Yet, she wanted my photo again b / c she'd forgotten what I looked like (and my profile was down). Huh?

The desirable girls I've actually had the discussion w / have all started at 4 K / mo for allowance, but I just don't know who they think can pay that. Not most, certainly. I'm diplomatic and say ' some guys will pay that' or 'I can certainly see you getting that' but of course I won't / don't.

There's a news report of a hack at another 'adult dating' website (link below). Who knows what will happen to this info. Thankfully for those of us who use SA, its not that. However, it is always good to be cautious. I never have any actual photos of me or my other personal info on the site. I have things that are close that can't be directly tied to me and give any accurate info I might need to supply to a POT via email. I have posted a while ago that I had a very old Ashley Madison membership and after that hack was getting contacted both by extortionists as well as IT people at my work.

[URL]http://www.businessinsider.com/adult-dating-site-adultfriendfinder-hacked-400-million-user-accounts-stolen-october-2016-11[/URL]

I had read more than a few times about passing over Babies who have been on SA for a longer period of time, and I understand that. What about our profiles there? Do you guys make up a new profile after a while or just let it ride? While not super active on SA, I did sign up a few years ago. Have any of you ever gotten a comment from a Baby about the length of time since joining?

[QUOTE=MagicRat;3151689]I had read more than a few times about passing over Babies who have been on SA for a longer period of time, and I understand that. What about our profiles there? Do you guys make up a new profile after a while or just let it ride? While not super active on SA, I did sign up a few years ago. Have any of you ever gotten a comment from a Baby about the length of time since joining?[/QUOTE]Why worry about something that doesn't matter. Now if you want to update your profile that should be done. If I contact a girl who has been on awhile I ask why and they give various answers. I also ask if the profile is up to date. Most girls are there for help and really don't care how long you have been on. The few if any it bothers move on from. You provide the help in the amount that satisfy them they don't care.

Depends on what type of baby you are interested in. Escorts or UTR SB's don't care. Scammer's look for new naive SD's to prey on. Some Sb's like an SD with a proven track record of successful arrangements and feel assured you know what you are doing. Still other SB's may be concerned if you come across as too much of a player.

I personally use track record as a successful SD for me and the SB to my advantage. I've rarely had any concern, if at all.

[QUOTE=MagicRat;3151689]I had read more than a few times about passing over Babies who have been on SA for a longer period of time, and I understand that. What about our profiles there? Do you guys make up a new profile after a while or just let it ride? While not super active on SA, I did sign up a few years ago. Have any of you ever gotten a comment from a Baby about the length of time since joining?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MagicRat;3151689]I had read more than a few times about passing over Babies who have been on SA for a longer period of time, and I understand that. What about our profiles there? Do you guys make up a new profile after a while or just let it ride? While not super active on SA, I did sign up a few years ago. Have any of you ever gotten a comment from a Baby about the length of time since joining?[/QUOTE]To answer your specific question, no, but I've only been on since May. Personally, I'd think someone who has been on a long time is more likely to be UTR, which isn't my interest. I'll convey the thoughts of one famous SD who doesn't read this board, that a peak experience for him is breaking in the new young ones, so obviously, a long-ago joined date is a downer. I M&G w / a POT this morning who has a 2015 joined date. She had an arrangement from that of 8 months and was inactive, then got back on. I obviously did not mark her down for that. Seemed sincere, but of course she could be a sociopath and capable of lying through the teeth.

Good day, it's nice to see some of the old guys posting again. It would be nice to see what Big Tigger is up to these days.

I have a question my membership on SA is about to expire. I've been talking to a few females but they don't have premium membership.

I sent a message to them giving out my email address and phone number to contact me. Would they still be able to view my last message, if they don't log on before my membership expires?

[QUOTE=MagicRat;3151689]I had read more than a few times about passing over Babies who have been on SA for a longer period of time, and I understand that. What about our profiles there? Do you guys make up a new profile after a while or just let it ride? While not super active on SA, I did sign up a few years ago. Have any of you ever gotten a comment from a Baby about the length of time since joining?[/QUOTE]I would agree overall with Max's take here. I think it does not matter in the big scheme of things, because there will be some girls that consider prior SD experience a plus, then at the other end of the scale there are girls who will categorize you as a serial dater and dock you points for it or at least use it as leverage if they find a reason to become argumentative.

I always encourage anyone involved in online dating to keep the "tech-influenced natural selection effect" in mind. Everything from your profile (actual stats like your duration of membership as well as essays about yourself), to your photos (online or privately traded), to your individual conversations will determine what type of girls you meet, starting with which girls respond to you in the first place. For purposes of this post, that just means that if you've had an account for 3 years, most likely girls who have made up their mind they have a problem with an experienced SD are probably going to overlook you entirely and never meet you. Likewise, if you have a profile that's only a month old, there may be some girls who have had bad experiences with "fresh" SDs and prefer to avoid. It may be easy to forget this fact, as they might simply never respond to your first wink or note.

The consideration here is that it's easy to start believing that the girls you do meet do then, by definition, represent the entire population of girls out there, when nothing could be further from the truth (you're just not seeing the other types because who you are, or more specifically how you're representing yourself online, is selecting a certain type of girl and filtering out the others). The "selection" process can be avoided by having multiple profiles. I personally don't like the multiple profile approach and prefer to use the selection effect to my advantage. In the interest of time, I'd rather attract "good matches" that are likely to be what I'm looking for than to simply widen the pool of possibilities. Others might prefer the idea of casting a wider net by having multiple profiles and experimenting with the results. If I had unlimited opportunity / time / money to spend on the hobby I might be interested in the wider net.

I personally prefer to meet girls who have only recently discovered the bowl (when possible), so I tend to give a higher priority to newer profiles. However, I'm also aware that their profile creation date is not always the most accurate way to assess their experience. You might see a girl with a new profile, then ask her if she's had an SD before and maybe she says she's had several. Sometimes a new profile can be an indicator of a more experienced dater that likes to create new profiles, so it does not really indicate much by itself. The girl with the three year old profile may have been in an exclusive arrangement for 2. 5 years and is more of a fan of remembering passwords for previously inactive accounts than she is of retyping everything? So join date is somewhat of a meaningless indicator, left to its own.

So I have been chatting with this super cute cheerleader and how she has gone radio silent. If any of you have seen her hit me up on PM. Would love to know more about her.