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[QUOTE=DeCoria;3792346]Eccie, & TER (for Americans only), have been shut down. It's been nice knowing you guys... :'([/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=DeCoria;3792346]Eccie, & TER (for Americans only), have been shut down. It's been nice knowing you guys... :'([/QUOTE]
Switter is new but I don't know how long that will last. I doubt locals will know of it's existence unless someone tells them about it.
[QUOTE=TomMcAn;3791540]There are plenty of do-gooders on both sides of the aisle. Kamala Harris, a progressive Democrat, aggressively went after Backpage and its owners when she was attorney general of California. She's now a senator and strongly supported the FOSTA legislation now awaiting the president's signature or veto.
The Polaris Project, one of the top anti-trafficking organizations today, falls on the left side of the political spectrum. So does the International Justice Mission, which is religion-based but comes from a "social justice warrior" perspective.[/QUOTE]I don't want to turn this into a political discussion so I'll have to agree with you that there are do-gooders on both sides, just never had this kind of regulation 2 years and prior ago, so I blame whomever's in power.
Hopefully Jackson can now clean up with his classifieds. It will be interesting to see if rape statistics jump up as a result of men not getting relief or if burglary and robbery goes up as junkies can no longer make a buck through sex. This is what you get when you want government to regulate morals.
[QUOTE=Ebdawgg;3791177]There are already some BP girls on eros.
I think this is going to be a problem for them because it looks to be for show and to score points with prudes more than an application of the law. There are as we know sites still up like grindr, POF, SA, eros and more. They can't all go away and it won't be long before people find loop holes, work arounds and THIS site's ad section.
I am not a lawyer but it does seem like a free speech issue. As long as people aren't overtly offering an illegal contract, then it's just people talking. If they take down one like BP than everything else might go too and this action could have all kinds of unintended consequences.
I bet BP's lawyers are working overtime and have a plan.
I also think it's going to be funny when we all discover work arounds and loopholes. I can just see it now, BP girls getting into the hourly onsite tool rental business. You could rent that angle grinder for just the hour you need it from a BP girl who, in her hotel room, show you how to use it. How many guys here could use an hour instruction on how to use a torque wrench? If you already know, you'd probably be happy to get an hour long refresher.
I predict this won't last and local governments are going top get pissed because all those BP girls that used to work indoors are now on the streets. Why do people think the SW scenes in many places aren't what they used to be? And the Block? All that action moved online and off the dangerous streets. Even old BCPD commissioner wife beater K Clarke said his stated policy for street crime (mostly drugs) was to move it indoors. The feds just undid that for every city. What a bunch of dumbasses.
For the moment, keep the working numbers you have handy. You will need them for a while; but after a while this will resolve itself and if the fed's case fails, it will resolve itself better than it was before.
My $. 02.[/QUOTE]1. Providers post offering nude massage only. What ever happens during that is between consenting 2 adults.
Or.
2. The girls will have to work off the honor system and have trust. It will work like this, the first encounter there must not be any mention of money or exchanging of money before hand. Providers will have to be willing do the deed and be paid afterwards.
[QUOTE=Ebdawgg;3791196]If there are any lawyers on here who would care to weigh in and explain some of this, I bet we would all appreciate it.
I have a feeling the feds may have mis stepped here and may not ultimately get what they want or, from their perspective, make things worse.[/QUOTE]The law holds website operators criminally liable for posts made by others, even if the posts themselves reflect no criminal conduct. Criminal liabilty is evidently based solely on the perception that a website in some way facilitates prostitution or trafficking, which invites arbitrary prosecution. Basically, the law implicitly compels website operators to strictly curate -- and filter / edit -- all user posts and user generated content. Though seriously defective from a constitutional standpoint, the law is well aligned with the interests of Facebook, Twitter, and the other first tier social media platforms, whom I suspect lobbied for it.
[QUOTE=Steverino1968;3793428]The law holds website operators criminally liable for posts made by others, even if the posts themselves reflect no criminal conduct. Criminal liabilty is evidently based solely on the perception that a website in some way facilitates prostitution or trafficking, which invites arbitrary prosecution. Basically, the law implicitly compels website operators to strictly curate -- and filter / edit -- all user posts and user generated content. Though seriously defective from a constitutional standpoint, the law is well aligned with the interests of Facebook, Twitter, and the other first tier social media platforms, whom I suspect lobbied for it.[/QUOTE]Unless the BP attorneys are morons, they'll raise the 1st amendment defense well as possibly other constitutional issues. We just need to wait and see how the courts decide the merits of the case (unless procedural issues render this analysis academic). It may take years to decide if appeals are granted. Based on the seizure notice, this may end up in the 9th federal circuit. They're typically more liberal than the rest of the USA This may end up at the supreme court 6-7 years from now. This not the end. Only the beginning.
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I bet BP's lawyers are working overtime and have a plan.
[/QUOTE]At least in BP's case, you missed that BP and all of it's related assets were seized. That means it ALL belongs to the government now. That means BP has no money to pay lawyers to defend it. It is a fundamental problem with asset seizures.
Now the sites that shut down voluntarily MAY be able to bring a case to challenge the law, but there is probably an unspoken agreement that the government will let them keep what they have right now, if they don't challenge, but if they do decide to challenge expect the full weight of the government (IRS, FBI, more seizures, etc.) to go against the site, it's owners, it's lawyers, the hosting services, etc. There are no more Larry Flints in the world willing to stake their reputation, fortune, and freedom for this fight.
I kind of think that they HAD to seize BP, because with the various changes over time (getting rid of services, then changing how much info could be in personals, etc), BP could have made the case that they were trying to solve the problem, they just handn't found what worked yet; and a jury (or at least some of a jury) may have believed them. By seizing, there will be no challenge.
I have no idea how lucrative these sites were, but my guess is most owners and operators are just going to take what they have and get out of the game.
[QUOTE=DropaLoad;3792865]Hopefully Jackson can now clean up with his classifieds. It will be interesting to see if rape statistics jump up as a result of men not getting relief or if burglary and robbery goes up as junkies can no longer make a buck through sex. This is what you get when you want government to regulate morals.[/QUOTE]Implying that mongers would start raping women because we cannot get relief does not follow any logic. I would say that 99.9% of us on this site would never make a provider (let alone regular women) do what she does not want to do. The majority of us come to an agreement for services, if agreed to services are not provided, then provider does not get paid. Even if provider takes money upfront and decides to not provide agreed to services, the majority of us would just walk away rather than force her to provide services. I myself have never ever forced a women (or provider) to do what she does not want to do and I believe I speak for the majority of us mongers. Again increased crime because providers cannot make money through online contacts is stretching things a bit. Don't get me wrong, I am against all this regulation of online services. I agree with others that I do not see a difference between print ads and online ads so am wondering why online ads are being targeted.
If I remember correctly wasn't BP kinda big and bold and a little in the Governments face, thinking they wouldn't lose, when the Gov went after um about their Escort section? Maybe that's why the Gov went hard and took EVERYTHING from BP, and is only warning everyone else. Just saying. I still think it will all settle down after a while, fingers crossed.
[QUOTE=OldChineseGuy;3793667]Implying that mongers would start raping women because we cannot get relief does not follow any logic. I would say that 99.9% of us on this site would never make a provider (let alone regular women) do what she does not want to do. The majority of us come to an agreement for services, if agreed to services are not provided, then provider does not get paid. Even if provider takes money upfront and decides to not provide agreed to services, the majority of us would just walk away rather than force her to provide services. I myself have never ever forced a women (or provider) to do what she does not want to do and I believe I speak for the majority of us mongers. Again increased crime because providers cannot make money through online contacts is stretching things a bit. Don't get me wrong, I am against all this regulation of online services. I agree with others that I do not see a difference between print ads and online ads so am wondering why online ads are being targeted.[/QUOTE]I agree. Rape is an act of violence, not a way for a man to seek relief. That's the ultimate act of disrespecting a woman. A lot of powerful men in the business world, the church, entertainment and politics are in deep trouble or facing ruined careers because they refused to respect women's boundaries. As for junkies, maybe this will force them to consider getting clean. I'm grateful for groups like AA, NA and other organizations which have helped some of my relatives achieve and maintain sobriety.
I'm disgusted with the recent turn of events concerning Backpage, Craigslist, Eccie, TER and other sites, and I'm disgusted with the lack of respect our federal, state and local governments have for the Constitution. But that doesn't and shouldn't mean we'll see an increase in rape, robbery or other types of crime.
[URL]https://www.ebackpage.com[/URL]
No ads yet in our region. I do see some on Boston and Atlanta.
Hey all, long time reader, but first time poster here. I thought that I would give my 2 cents about another site to gander at for those who may not already know it.
[URL]http://usaadultclassifieds.info/classifieds[/URL]
Enjoy.
[QUOTE=PuhCFiller99;3794563]Hey all, long time reader, but first time poster here. I thought that I would give my 2 cents about another site to gander at for those who may not already know it.
[URL]http://usaadultclassifieds.info/classifieds[/URL]
Enjoy.[/QUOTE]You know that is this site's ad site, right? Jackson and posters here have recommended it for a while now. Glad the word is finally getting out.
I noticed the sudden spike in ads in April on City X Guide. You better copy all of the numbers and photos, before they disappear.
[URL]https://cityxguide.com/c/maryland/[/URL]
Republicans has their prioritize straight. Play all the christian cards and act all holy while they are taking one freedom after another away in the name of their religion and national security. Land of the free no more.
[QUOTE=Baltimoronic;3788939]You'd think the right-wingers would be trying to shut down Grindr, but no, they're going after the straight guy. I hope the streets of Washington fill up with streetwalkers like the good old days.[/QUOTE]
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No, you don't get to do that. You don't get to blame this on Democrats in any way.
I'm politically apathetic but your guys have all three branches of government, if you are a fan of the Republican team than all you get to say is "my guys are doing this." That's it, nothing else, no spinning, no deflecting, no Obama, Hillary, Bill, nothing, this is being done by the Republicans end of story.
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"No, you don't get to do that. You don't get to blame this on Democrats in any way."
It passed the House 388-25 and the Senate 94-2. I didn't realize that the Republicans had such majorities.
[QUOTE=Feldman;3795222]"No, you don't get to do that. You don't get to blame this on Democrats in any way."
It passed the House 388-25 and the Senate 94-2. I didn't realize that the Republicans had such majorities.[/QUOTE]This happened under a Republican House / Senate / President. With that said it does not matter, both parties I am sure are against human trafficking. If I worked in congress I would do and say the same what do I care I have an unlimited source of 20 somethings at my disposal. BP and CL I now notice were too user friendly and most of these other sites are obtuse and poorly constructed. Easy to post, easy to search, find, and enjoy. Anyways it is gone and not coming back. No Governor, state AG, etc etc will allow it back. The owners arrested so why would they come back. Lawyer advise clients to take their losses and move on.
[QUOTE=Jusblaze1;3795484]If I worked in congress I would do and say the same what do I care I have an unlimited source of 20 somethings at my disposal. [/QUOTE]Nope, not after #MeToo! Haven't you been following the news?
[QUOTE]This happened under a Republican House / Senate / President. [/QUOTE]Interestingly enough I reviewed several other boards and the notion that the Republicans caused this, by and large, does have some support among members. But I don't understand why [blue][Deleted by Admin]
Then let me help you
The Executive, Judicial, and Legislative branches of government are all in the hands of Republicans and a law that was introduced by a Republican, and was passed (though not signed) by a majority of Republicans and is sitting on a Republican (kind of) presidents desk to be signed. So that's why people are saying Republicans did it. I'm politically apathetic, but if you are a supporter of the Republican party you gotta own this, you don't get to blame it on somebody else, if you support them the only thing you get to say is "my guys did this."
Pretty simple.
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[QUOTE=Jusblaze1;3795484]This happened under a Republican House / Senate / President. With that said it does not matter, both parties I am sure are against human trafficking. If I worked in congress I would do and say the same what do I care I have an unlimited source of 20 somethings at my disposal. BP and CL I now notice were too user friendly and most of these other sites are obtuse and poorly constructed. Easy to post, easy to search, find, and enjoy. Anyways it is gone and not coming back. No Governor, state AG, etc etc will allow it back. The owners arrested so why would they come back. Lawyer advise clients to take their losses and move on.[/QUOTE]This may be a case for the ACLU to take to the Supreme Court.
"The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) is a national organization that works daily in courts, legislatures and communities to defend the individual rights and liberties guaranteed by the Constitution and laws of the United States. " BP / CL can go to the ACLU or even you as an individual because you as a citizen want to search the "Personal Ads" to find a match and the government is over reaching with their authority taking these formats away from you. People's right to express themselves to connect with other people to find a match out weights and unlawful activity that may also occur on that website.
Hoes currently use dating apps like Tinder and POF. Also Facebook and Instagram and tweeter, are they going to go after those behemoths as well? I think the answer is no. There is something Un-American about these new tactics,. Cellular phones is a major component for providers to conduct their business, are they going to shut down Sprint, AT&T and T-Mobile and Cricket, Metro PCS etc. . Again I think the answer is no.
The thing that may save BP / CL is their is not like Silk Roads, which was explicitly dedicated to illegal activity. BP / CL had other posting to sell cars and other items. If a case went all the way to the Supreme Court, I think they will win. Though they will not be back online in the immediate future, I think they will come back.
[QUOTE=TomMcAn;3794419]I agree. Rape is an act of violence, not a way for a man to seek relief. That's the ultimate act of disrespecting a woman. A lot of powerful men in the business world, the church, entertainment and politics are in deep trouble or facing ruined careers because they refused to respect women's boundaries. As for junkies, maybe this will force them to consider getting clean. I'm grateful for groups like AA, NA and other organizations which have helped some of my relatives achieve and maintain sobriety.
I'm disgusted with the recent turn of events concerning Backpage, Craigslist, Eccie, TER and other sites, and I'm disgusted with the lack of respect our federal, state and local governments have for the Constitution. But that doesn't and shouldn't mean we'll see an increase in rape, robbery or other types of crime.[/QUOTE]Rape is bad and respecting women's boundaries huh?
Well that aside, it's well known and studied that when the government intervenes like this, violent crime does go up. That is economics 101 and in fact, this very situation is the exact example I was taught (one of many of course) when discussing supply and demand. I guarantee you'll see an increase in rape, robbery, and other types of crime over time.
[QUOTE=Jusblaze1;3795484]BP and CL I now notice were too user friendly and most of these other sites are obtuse and poorly constructed. Easy to post, easy to search, find, and enjoy. Anyways it is gone and not coming back. No Governor, state AG, etc etc will allow it back. The owners arrested so why would they come back. Lawyer advise clients to take their losses and move on.[/QUOTE]California attempted a similar prosecution against Backpage's owners less than two years ago but a judge dismissed the case. I can easily see how Backpage never comes back if there's a conviction or a plea deal, but I don't see how the government can justify Backpage's continued seizure if a federal judge dismisses these charges.
Mongers and providers will eventually adjust and adapt, just as they did after Craigslist shut down its adult ads section in 2010 under pressure from a number of state attorneys general. However, the adjustment period will be quite difficult. And in the end, we'll see if the Justice Department prevails or whether they made fools of themselves yet again.
[QUOTE=Loomy;3795827]This may be a case for the ACLU to take to the Supreme Court.
"The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) is a national organization that works daily in courts, legislatures and communities to defend the individual rights and liberties guaranteed by the Constitution and laws of the United States. " BP / CL can go to the ACLU or even you as an individual because you as a citizen want to search the "Personal Ads" to find a match and the government is over reaching with their authority taking these formats away from you. People's right to express themselves to connect with other people to find a match out weights and unlawful activity that may also occur on that website.
Hoes currently use dating apps like Tinder and POF. Also Facebook and Instagram and tweeter, are they going to go after those behemoths as well? I think the answer is no. There is something Un-American about these new tactics,. Cellular phones is a major component for providers to conduct their business, are they going to shut down Sprint, AT&T and T-Mobile and Cricket, Metro PCS etc. . Again I think the answer is no.
The thing that may save BP / CL is their is not like Silk Roads, which was explicitly dedicated to illegal activity. BP / CL had other posting to sell cars and other items. If a case went all the way to the Supreme Court, I think they will win. Though they will not be back online in the immediate future, I think they will come back.[/QUOTE]The reality is that the possible liability to companies offering a platform for advertising isn't worth it to them to host ads, but this does speak to some major issues we face in our Country. The drug policies failed, we have countless murders and incarceration for something people want to do, so instead of senseless laws being passed to stop it, legalize it and tax it. The murder rate would drop to zero in 48 hours. As far as prostitution, escorting and massage goes, it's the same thing. Legalize it and tax it. I would happily offer my services for licensing to make sure they are qualified and meet minimum service levels to get a license. We are suppose to be a country built on liberty and at this point it is being curtailed and will create yet a deeper black market. What will eventually happen is a decentralized server offering file sharing around the world will be developed and an add-on or application like kodi will be developed and deny the reach of government action to enforce. The government will have to take on every computer owned around the world and the budget in the Justice Department can't afford to police the billions of people and computers around the world.
[QUOTE=TomMcAn;3795996]California attempted a similar prosecution against Backpage's owners less than two years ago but a judge dismissed the case. I can easily see how Backpage never comes back if there's a conviction or a plea deal, but I don't see how the government can justify Backpage's continued seizure if a federal judge dismisses these charges.
Mongers and providers will eventually adjust and adapt, just as they did after Craigslist shut down its adult ads section in 2010 under pressure from a number of state attorneys general. However, the adjustment period will be quite difficult. And in the end, we'll see if the Justice Department prevails or whether they made fools of themselves yet again.[/QUOTE]My understanding is that the website was seized similarly to seizing an asset. The website created revenue for the owners. This would be similar to police seizing a drug dealers cash, car, etc. When arrested. Unless I am missing something, the case has to go to court before any seized assets are returned to the owner (or not returned if the person is found guilty). I think it will be a while before the backpage we know is returned. I also can't believe someone overseas or over the border hasn't created a new form of backpage. Seems to be a lucrative business venture to jump on so long as you are not based in the US.
[QUOTE=RichK56;3796547]My understanding is that the website was seized similarly to seizing an asset. The website created revenue for the owners. This would be similar to police seizing a drug dealers cash, car, etc. When arrested. Unless I am missing something, the case has to go to court before any seized assets are returned to the owner (or not returned if the person is found guilty). I think it will be a while before the backpage we know is returned. I also can't believe someone overseas or over the border hasn't created a new form of backpage. Seems to be a lucrative business venture to jump on so long as you are not based in the US.[/QUOTE]If the Backpage seizure was executed as a Civil Forfeiture, it's extremely unlikely that it will ever be restored. Assets seized according to this doctrine are almost NEVER returned to their owners, even if their owners are never charged with a crime or if they're acquitted. Technically, the case is brought by the Government against the ASSET in a Civil proceeding where the ASSET has none of the rights afforded a human defendant. It's an old concept drawn from English Common Law. Though constitutionally defective, the courts have upheld the practice.
Has anyone heard from her in the last few weeks? Jess is the tall blonde RedskinsAllDay introduced to the forum. She hasn't been answering her text or phone.
Dam A2 I thought they got you, I've been trying for a couple days to get on here. NOTHING!
Like the songs says, "You don't know what you have till it's gone". Good job getting up and running again!!
Monoxide.
All of the USA Reviews and info on TER have been wiped clean. Hopefully it is stored someplace and will be restored when the embargo is lifted. VPN or not, no more USA Info for the moment.
[QUOTE=Ebdawgg;3797834]All of the USA Reviews and info on TER have been wiped clean. Hopefully it is stored someplace and will be restored when the embargo is lifted. VPN or not, no more USA Info for the moment.[/QUOTE]President signed it. Unless I am missing it no one is going to go to bat for this. It is over.
Looking forward to the ladies advertising again.
[QUOTE=SteveStone123;3798535]Looking forward to the ladies advertising again.[/QUOTE]You know it's going to be good. Might find some special rates.
Phyuck!
Hello all, . And it's nice to be back. I got a friend that needs help. If interested, let me know. I got digits for seniors.
Phyuck!
[QUOTE=PhyuckYiu;3798654]Hello all, . And it's nice to be back. I got a friend that needs help. If interested, let me know. I got digits for seniors.
Phyuck![/QUOTE]It is nice to be back, Nicole is a cutie
OCG.
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[URL]https://www.backpageladies.com[/URL]
[URL]https://switter.at[/URL]
Nikki post ads on Adult Search and Escort Wiz, nice date, I will be seeing her again.
But only in mobile phone emulation mode or on your mobile phone. I can tell by playing with in developer mode that they are trying to completely block from US (including looking at Canadian cities).
Mobile device emulation mode in Firefox.
[URL]https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1163667[/URL]
Mobile device emulation chrome.
F12.
[URL]https://developers.google.com/web/tools/chrome-devtools/device-mode/[/URL]
[QUOTE=Mpduration;3799038][URL]https://www.harlothub.com[/URL]
[URL]https://www.backpageladies.com[/URL]
[URL]https://switter.at[/URL][/QUOTE]I've been using Harlothub, I have had good experiences so we shall see. Its easier than backpage to me. Do you know of any other sites?
[QUOTE=BoloBellgrande;3797629]Has anyone heard from her in the last few weeks? Jess is the tall blonde RedskinsAllDay introduced to the forum. She hasn't been answering her text or phone.[/QUOTE]I stopped hearing from Jess, BJB, Star, Violet, Heather, Morgan, Kristen, Danielle, and a few others since the site took a break. Even that Persian Kitty from DC changed her number. The pond dried up for me. Hopefully, we can fix all of this in the coming week. Just be careful who you exchange digits with so we do not repeat our mistakes.
Be safe mongers.
One girl told me that she was using this site now.
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