"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Assaholic;3131205]Thanks Fish. Problem is I never got to the conversation stage and I don't know what made them go dark. Ex: Me: Hey, I noticed on your profile says you liked XYZ. I love XYZ. Would you like to have coffee together this weekend? Her: No answer (Mesasge read, check. Profile viewed, check.

I'll ride the SA wagon for another month or so to see if anything comes of it. If not, I'm hoping to take a page out of your book to see if I can turn an ordinary civi into an SB. To be honest, this is my preference anyway, because in my area at least, the quality of SA girls is very sub-par in my opinion. Almost every day, in restaurants, shopping places, everywhere, I see ordinary civis who would abslutely crush the best of the best on SA without even trying, and I'm trying to work out a system or methodology to set the agenda to "turn" these ladies.

No, all my pictures are unique and nowhere else on the internet. That said, I'm intending to experiment with changing my current pics with ones that make me look more, well, affluent. The ones I have up now are of me on an ordinary day wearing work clothes or jeans or some such and I'm not leaning on a Bentley either.[/QUOTE]There are different views for what we want to do on this. I believe JZLizard also says he has photos he shares that are him doing / being ordinary. I can see this would tend to keep the sugar down, which is a virtue. If you want to hit some high-quality pussy (your definition. Beauty, age, skills, body), or even just get to first base, I don't think that's the best idea. Some fraction of the sugaring population, perhaps the one you're targeting, is aiming for a fantasy. SDs are living the fantasy that these hot young chicks would actually be our GFs if we weren't paying them. SBs are living the fantasy that they have found a rich man who would let them live a life of luxurious leisure. There seems to be another group that wants to get experiences one could not with someone in civi dating (kinky sex, for example), on both sides.

I would advise you to try to look more upscale. There is that great John Molloy book "Dress for Success" that goes into all the ingrained cultural reasons why it matters what we wear. There is nothing that makes a man, any man, look better than a suit. A famous feminist writer even wrote a book extolling its virtues. The suit represents male power, and recall that Henry Kissinger dated all kinds of hot pussy (Jill St. John!) even though he is a creepy little troll, and said that power was the ultimate aphrodisiac (well, at least for one part of the female population). My one and only full personal photo that I give to POTs (by email, mostly. I rarely have it on SA, b / c I fear hacks ala Ashley Madison) is a mirror selfie wearing my favorite blue Italian suit, no tie (need a cool, hip look). I have friends in the bowl who are in their 40's and pretty handsome I'd wager, and they can likely play a little differently, but if you're 60+ like me (though I advertise 56 on SA. I don't think POTs can tell fine detail, but there clearly would be negative connotations of my real age), power may be the card we have to play. Power comes w / money, of course, and as I've said before I'm likely not getting the cheapest sugar of the SDs on here, but I'm not enjoying it any less. My profile photo on SA isn't me but someone who looks kinda like me, wearing a very nice suit, and cut off at about the nose, so no one could ever complain that I posted a false photo. No one has.

Hancock and FFA hit all the bases. I want to stress, do not push the m&g early. It smells of desperation. Unless you're targeting Utrs or pros, then anything that remotely comes off as desperate will chase the fish away.

Use flaterring pics that look like you. I didn't realize that there was a school of thought out there that advocated for sending pics that were not flattering. I guess to each his own, but most ladies I know do want to be with someone who is physically attractive. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but as with the above, unless you're tracking Utrs or pros, you'll want to send pictures that put you in the best light. Hit the gym for a few months, shed 15 lbs, and it will make a difference. Or at least it has in my case. Just as important, you need to use pics that are of you, or don't send any at all. Nothing kills a m&g faster than if you send pics of someone who is not you, and much more attractive. I hear that one from pots all the time. The only way to save yourself there is if you have cash to burn.

[QUOTE=Assaholic;3131205]Thanks Fish. Problem is I never got to the conversation stage and I don't know what made them go dark. Ex: Me: Hey, I noticed on your profile says you liked XYZ. I love XYZ. Would you like to have coffee together this weekend? Her: No answer (Mesasge read, check. Profile viewed, check.

I'll ride the SA wagon for another month or so to see if anything comes of it. If not, I'm hoping to take a page out of your book to see if I can turn an ordinary civi into an SB. To be honest, this is my preference anyway, because in my area at least, the quality of SA girls is very sub-par in my opinion. Almost every day, in restaurants, shopping places, everywhere, I see ordinary civis who would abslutely crush the best of the best on SA without even trying, and I'm trying to work out a system or methodology to set the agenda to "turn" these ladies.

No, all my pictures are unique and nowhere else on the internet. That said, I'm intending to experiment with changing my current pics with ones that make me look more, well, affluent. The ones I have up now are of me on an ordinary day wearing work clothes or jeans or some such and I'm not leaning on a Bentley either.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3131637]There are different views for what we want to do on this. I believe JZLizard also says he has photos he shares that are him doing / being ordinary. I can see this would tend to keep the sugar down, which is a virtue. If you want to hit some high-quality pussy (your definition. Beauty, age, skills, body), or even just get to first base, I don't think that's the best idea. [/QUOTE]I might explain the purpose of "normal" photos. It is based on observations I made once civy dating on the Internet became popular and the concepts can be applied to any form of online dating, not just sugaring.

Those who have spent any time at all with online dating (sugaring or otherwise) know that whenever you meet someone in person for the first time, there is one of three possible outcomes on first visual impression. Either they look exactly like their pics, better than their pics, or worse than their pics.

The first two possible outcomes are good, the third is not. It means that some level of disappointment will occur at the M&G if you are looking for a certain type of girl. So, if you send someone pictures that do not accurately represent you, then the odds are that her visual impression of you is going to be downgraded from whatever state of mind she was in when she agreed to meet in person in the first place.

The extent to which this matters depends on many things, including where she falls on the "spectrum". I've talked in the past about my vision of a spectrum, with streetwalkers at the left side of the scale and women that preserve their virginity at the far right of it. More in the middle but going from left to right, would be escorts, then UTR girls, then Nando SBs, then true SBs, then civy girls that would never consider taking money in exchange for sex, etc. You get the idea. And obviously no girl is perfectly categorized, it's just a way to visualize where they fall in the big scheme of things. My own definition of a quality girl is one that leans more to the right side of the scale (and I should also say that my positional choice of left or right here has absolutely no political connotation, so swap left for right in this example if you prefer).

So, what I noticed over a couple of decades of online dating is that the farther they are on the left of the spectrum in my example above, the less susceptible they are to caring about any potential discrepancy between initially traded photos and the appearance of the person when they meet. It's not rocket science, girls that are more in it for the paycheck are going to care a lot less about whether they were cat-fished or mislead. Escorts don't give a shit what you look or smell like. An SB that is sizing you up in a way that expresses genuine sexual interest will certainly care.

Therefore the key to all of this is to simply NEVER DISAPPOINT AT THE M&G (assuming you're aiming for girls on the more quality side of the spectrum above). Some might say "well if I don't take 100 photos and send her the best 2, she will never meet me in the first place". Its important to understand that concept. If that statement is true, it is an indication of aiming too high (indication you either should lower your standard or prepare for more challenging searching). Luring them to a M&G with a non-representative and overly flattering photo is only going to scare them away once they actually meet you, unless they are only in it for money. And that's fine if that's the kind of girl you want.

Now let's look at that from another angle. Let's say that an SD hits up 20 girls but sends them very realistic photos. Let's say right away 12 of those never respond. Of the 8 that do, all but 2 or 3 of them do nothing but ask how much their allowance is going to be. What has happened here? The SD has just put the power of realistic photos to work for himself -- he has successfully eliminated about 17-18 timewasting pieces of work that would probably end up meeting but not following him to the FC, or making ridiculous money demands. The 2-3 girls that remain are the ones he is most likely to have the most fun with in the FC later anyway.

So let's just say the photos I send are designed to scare off the squeamish. LOL. Let's say a guy that looks like Danny DeVito is sitting there hitting up girls that look like Melanie Iglasias, but he's sending her pics of himself, which are really some guy that looks like Brad Pitt. What's going to happen when they meet? Assuming she's anything less than an escort, she's going to feel mislead, betrayed, and probably not much like fucking him (probably more like she wants to throw Papa from the train). I'm neither a Danny DeVito or a Brad Pitt, its just an illustrative example.

So part of my success going from M&G to the FC has been simply not misleading girls. Let them decide if I'm their type or not. There is no accounting for taste, some girls that aren't even that good looking never write back after I send pics, while others that are true stunners seem to have an instantly positive reaction, gushing about how handsome they think I am. THOSE are the ones that turn into good dates for me. Sending realistic and down-to-earth photos is one of the keys to filtering out girls who do not possess that genuine sexual attraction that I am seeking.

And some might say send realistic pics of you looking your best -- and I think that's fine as long as you're getting the results you want. Just know that if you send pics of yourself that are engineered to try to impress her, quality women can usually sense this right away and they see it as a vulnerability and display of insecurity. They know good and well that the Elon Musks and Mark Zuckerbergs (I. E. Real billionaires) of the modern world show up at important events wearing hoodies and sneakers if they feel like it. It's not 1950 where anyone reasonably intelligent is deluded into believing the cost of a suit is an indication of net worth anymore (unless they are really shallow and daft, or just a money-chasing ho).

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;3132331]Hancock and FFA hit all the bases. I want to stress, do not push the m&g early. It smells of desperation. Unless you're targeting Utrs or pros, then anything that remotely comes off as desperate will chase the fish away.

Use flaterring pics that look like you. I didn't realize that there was a school of thought out there that advocated for sending pics that were not flattering. I guess to each his own, but most ladies I know do want to be with someone who is physically attractive. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but as with the above, unless you're tracking Utrs or pros, you'll want to send pictures that put you in the best light. Hit the gym for a few months, shed 15 lbs, and it will make a difference. Or at least it has in my case. Just as important, you need to use pics that are of you, or don't send any at all. Nothing kills a m&g faster than if you send pics of someone who is not you, and much more attractive. I hear that one from pots all the time. The only way to save yourself there is if you have cash to burn.[/QUOTE]I guess I'd add one other thing. It is likely the case that each local 'market' for SBs is different, w / cultural preferences I couldn't begin to fathom. You may need to work that out for yourself in your bowl, and a couple of weeks may not be sufficient. So, as Fish said, there is some experimentation involved, and he recommends his Groundhog Day scenario, where he creates a new SA profile to go back to POTs he failed w / to try new techniques. You might not have to do that literally, but just switch around your profile, photos, initial contact message, etc. , until you get something that is working for your targets, and also your particular strengths. I'd guess that most of us would not be playing in the bowl if we didn't think the women were going to enjoy sex w / us, and some tasteful way to say at some stage that couldn't hurt. However, you indicate that if you can talk to a woman directly you seem to be able to close the deal, so I am guessing you know the right way to communicate that. Others (Hollywood Guy) target subs specifially and makes it clear to them in his contacts that they are going to get high quality kinky sex. To each his own. You just want to offer as much as you can that isn't $.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3132918]I guess I'd add one other thing. It is likely the case that each local 'market' for SBs is different, w / cultural preferences I couldn't begin to fathom. You may need to work that out for yourself in your bowl, and a couple of weeks may not be sufficient. So, as Fish said, there is some experimentation involved, and he recommends his Groundhog Day scenario, where he creates a new SA profile to go back to POTs he failed w / to try new techniques. You might not have to do that literally, but just switch around your profile, photos, initial contact message, etc. , until you get something that is working for your targets, and also your particular strengths. I'd guess that most of us would not be playing in the bowl if we didn't think the women were going to enjoy sex w / us, and some tasteful way to say at some stage that couldn't hurt. However, you indicate that if you can talk to a woman directly you seem to be able to close the deal, so I am guessing you know the right way to communicate that. Others (Hollywood Guy) target subs specifially and makes it clear to them in his contacts that they are going to get high quality kinky sex. To each his own. You just want to offer as much as you can that isn't $.[/QUOTE]Girls thst have several different profiles get crucified by the guys. Guys that create alternate profiles arent any better IMHO. A catfish is a catfish. Really have no idea why one that isn't interested is such an ego buster one would have to create xtra profiles. Jeez just move on, your paying for pussy, move to the next one. As for thinking the girls enjoy the sex some do, some don't. Don't forget your payi g them. If the payment is good most are staying because of the money, not because your great in the sack. When that idea enters your thought process cut the money off and see if they still sucking your cock for nothing. My profile states specifically that I'm seeking a sub, I don't have to waste time texting back and forth because the girls know right off the bat what I'm looking for. Profile has stated that for a few years and is quite a time saver. This isn't rocket science that everyone seems to want to make it.

Hancock, out of curiosity, why bother with the bowl? Why not just pay for high end escorts? You're right. Certain girls will bang you if the money is good enough, regardless if you're any good in the sack.

I'm a firm believer in allowance, but if that's the only reason a baby is banging me, then from my perspective, it would be a lot easier to just hire a high end pro. That's just me though.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3133107]Girls thst have several different profiles get crucified by the guys. Guys that create alternate profiles arent any better IMHO. A catfish is a catfish. Really have no idea why one that isn't interested is such an ego buster one would have to create xtra profiles. Jeez just move on, your paying for pussy, move to the next one. As for thinking the girls enjoy the sex some do, some don't. Don't forget your payi g them. If the payment is good most are staying because of the money, not because your great in the sack. When that idea enters your thought process cut the money off and see if they still sucking your cock for nothing. My profile states specifically that I'm seeking a sub, I don't have to waste time texting back and forth because the girls know right off the bat what I'm looking for. Profile has stated that for a few years and is quite a time saver. This isn't rocket science that everyone seems to want to make it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;3133283]Hancock, out of curiosity, why bother with the bowl? Why not just pay for high end escorts? You're right. Certain girls will bang you if the money is good enough, regardless if you're any good in the sack.

I'm a firm believer in allowance, but if that's the only reason a baby is banging me, then from my perspective, it would be a lot easier to just hire a high end pro. That's just me though.[/QUOTE]Why else is a 20 something girls banging much older guys but for the money. Are they taking you home to mom and dad, introducing you to friends, taking you to keg party?

There is always exceptions but cut the sugar off and see how long they hang. In the end your paying for that GFE the same as from that high end pro.

Seversl girls I've talked to have had long term arrangements of a year or more. Usually what ends them is the guy getting transferred to another area. When I've told them I was sorry.

They lost the arrangement the replies have been "Oh that's ok, I never really liked him but the money was good".

Now not sure what you consider a long term arrangement but I doubt very few on this forum last that long. If the girl really never cared about the guy after fucking him that long then she has put on one hell of a show for him to stay that long. Guys tend to get feeling all good about themselves in these arrangements but seem to overlook the fact she is still being paid. If you cut the sugar and she stays then you can feel good about your new gf. Oh now all this is if your exclusive. If she has a rotation of sds then that's not even a discussion.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3133387]Why else is a 20 something girls banging much older guys but for the money. Are they taking you home to mom and dad, introducing you to friends, taking you to keg party?[/QUOTE]In some cases, yes. I've had SBs introduce me to their friends, and I've had them claim they want me to meet their mom on the first date. I think the fact most of the girls I've met have daddy issues one way or another probably means they are replacing their dad with me rather than hoping I will hang out with him, but I did have one SB send me pics of her and her father very early on in communications (not sure what that was about).

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3133387]There is always exceptions but cut the sugar off and see how long they hang. In the end your paying for that GFE the same as from that high end pro.[/QUOTE]But there have been countless guys posting to this forum that have proven that this is your experience, and perhaps even a similar experience to others your age, but it does not represent the majority of SDs.

Albert Einstein was quoted as saying that the definition of insanity was doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. You've asked in the forum countless times what is the point in paying an SB if she doesn't want to be paid, and some of us have explained our motives.

Why should we continue explaining this to you if you've made up your mind you're only going to believe what your own experiences have allowed you to believe? Its become repetitive and beyond tiresome. I think its time for you to accept that your experiences in the bowl, at your age and in your geographic region are not representative of the entire SD community.

Met the fam-I think she was just trying to piss her dad off! He was the same age as me. Which was a bit weird at first but I just rolled with it. Albeit our relationaship was more traditional than standard sb thingy. But it was funny as fuck having coffee with pops 15 minutes after I had dumped a huge load in his 20 year old daughters ass, haha!

Met and fucked friends- I had a chill tryst w SB May-July. She wanted a three way with her sexy livein lover. We had a few three somes then I eneded up grooving on her lover more and it was very apparent when I was banging her in bed next to her. We ended up having some wild kinky fun sans original sb. They split up for a while, now theyre back together and wanting another McNaughty 3 some. Life is grand!

[QUOTE=JZLizard;3133670]In some cases, yes. I've had SBs introduce me to their friends, and I've had them claim they want me to meet their mom on the first date. I think the fact most of the girls I've met have daddy issues one way or another probably means they are replacing their dad with me rather than hoping I will hang out with him, but I did have one SB send me pics of her and her father very early on in communications (not sure what that was about).

But there have been countless guys posting to this forum that have proven that this is your experience, and perhaps even a similar experience to others your age, but it does not represent the majority of SDs.

Albert Einstein was quoted as saying that the definition of insanity was doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. You've asked in the forum countless times what is the point in paying an SB if she doesn't want to be paid, and some of us have explained our motives.

Why should we continue explaining this to you if you've made up your mind you're only going to believe what your own experiences have allowed you to believe? Its become repetitive and beyond tiresome. I think its time for you to accept that your experiences in the bowl, at your age and in your geographic region are not representative of the entire SD community.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JZLizard;3133670]In some cases, yes. I've had SBs introduce me to their friends, and I've had them claim they want me to meet their mom on the first date. I think the fact most of the girls I've met have daddy issues one way or another probably means they are replacing their dad with me rather than hoping I will hang out with him, but I did have one SB send me pics of her and her father very early on in communications (not sure what that was about).

But there have been countless guys posting to this forum that have proven that this is your experience, and perhaps even a similar experience to others your age, but it does not represent the majority of SDs.

Albert Einstein was quoted as saying that the definition of insanity was doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. You've asked in the forum countless times what is the point in paying an SB if she doesn't want to be paid, and some of us have explained our motives.

Why should we continue explaining this to you if you've made up your mind you're only going to believe what your own experiences have allowed you to believe? Its become repetitive and beyond tiresome. I think its time for you to accept that your experiences in the bowl, at your age and in your geographic region are not representative of the entire SD community.[/QUOTE]LOL your posting on a forum where your paying young girls for sex. Like I said there are exceptions and sadly I'm not gods gift to women any longer as some are. I live in a real world and have a pretty firm grasp as to how things work so I love good fiction as much as anyone. Oh as you like to point out there is a ignore button. Feel free to use it if I've become tiresome. I just look for the post that go on and on, on and on and scroll past them if I don't get to tired.

If that's the worldview you hold, the question still remains. Why even play in the bowl? If the analysis is that these girls are banging you solely for the money, and assuming you recognize that most of these girls are having sex with multiple partners, why not simply use back page or eros to find utrs or pros? It would simplify life considerable rather than messaging back and forth, going on dates, buying dinner, etc.

I guess there's the possibility that some sds like the "innocence" of a sb who they think are not having sex with anyone else, but I've found that pots with sleep with the highest bidder, and don't care about anything else, are often sleeping with multiple daddies and are no different than an escort. Nothing wrong with that at all in my opinion. I still play in that world and have my go to agencies, but when that's what I'm looking for, I call my go to agencies, I don't spend hours messaging back and forth, m&ging, and then wining and dining.

I don't disagree that sugar plays a huge role in why a young 19 or 20 something is having sex with you, but in my humble opinion, there are a lot of other factors in play.

No, they're not taking you home to meet mom and dad, but the babies I bed are with me because they are tired of the keg parties and want to go to an upscale restaurant to drink a bottle of wine with a nice meal. I've met plenty of babies that have told me that they wouldn't sleep with certain guys, no matter how much. Of course whether I believe that or not is a different story. I doubt any pot playing in the bowl would turn down a SD, so long as the allowance was right.

Part of the fun, at least for me, is playing the game. To each his own.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3133387]Why else is a 20 something girls banging much older guys but for the money. Are they taking you home to mom and dad, introducing you to friends, taking you to keg party?

There is always exceptions but cut the sugar off and see how long they hang. In the end your paying for that GFE the same as from that high end pro.

Seversl girls I've talked to have had long term arrangements of a year or more. Usually what ends them is the guy getting transferred to another area. When I've told them I was sorry.

They lost the arrangement the replies have been "Oh that's ok, I never really liked him but the money was good".

Now not sure what you consider a long term arrangement but I doubt very few on this forum last that long. If the girl really never cared about the guy after fucking him that long then she has put on one hell of a show for him to stay that long. Guys tend to get feeling all good about themselves in these arrangements but seem to overlook the fact she is still being paid. If you cut the sugar and she stays then you can feel good about your new gf. Oh now all this is if your exclusive. If she has a rotation of sds then that's not even a discussion.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3133717]LOL your posting on a forum where your paying young girls for sex.[/QUOTE]Yes but its called the Sex Guide, not necessarily the Paid Sex Guide. This thread is about whether SBs are pros or amateurs, and if there were a clear cut answer the thread would have never been initiated in the first place.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3133717]
Like I said there are exceptions and sadly I'm not gods gift to women any longer as some are. I live in a real world and have a pretty firm grasp as to how things work so I love good fiction as much as anyone. Oh as you like to point out there is a ignore button. Feel free to use it if I've become tiresome. I just look for the post that go on and on, on and on and scroll past them if I don't get to tired.[/QUOTE]You are fully entitled to your own fictional world, but just don't be surprised if you get called on it if trying to project that world onto the lives of others, because I can tell you not everyone agrees with your perspective. I use the ignore button very sparingly, just as I very sparingly make suggestions like I have today. For the most part I try to let the cards fall where they may on these matters, but for whatever reason I thought I might be doing you a favor to let you know that you are a bit out of touch on how it works for some of the brothers here. Take that for whatever it's worth, I'm not trying to deny you the right to your opinion, just pointing out that you don't seem to have a firm grasp of the difference between opinion and fact. Carry on with the rants though if it makes you a happier person, it's tiresome as I said but not particularly bothering me. I rarely do more than a quick visual scan of your posts and I don't always do that. I do think the forum needs less repetition instead of more, just because of the sheer volume of posts though.

[QUOTE=DrMcNaughty;3133703]Met the fam-I think she was just trying to piss her dad off! He was the same age as me. Which was a bit weird at first but I just rolled with it. Albeit our relationaship was more traditional than standard sb thingy. But it was funny as fuck having coffee with pops 15 minutes after I had dumped a huge load in his 20 year old daughters ass, haha!

Met and fucked friends- I had a chill tryst w SB May-July. She wanted a three way with her sexy livein lover. We had a few three somes then I eneded up grooving on her lover more and it was very apparent when I was banging her in bed next to her. We ended up having some wild kinky fun sans original sb. They split up for a while, now theyre back together and wanting another McNaughty 3 some. Life is grand![/QUOTE]There are a lot of SDs that have similar experiences. It's kind of unfortunate that a handful have committed themselves to using sugaring as an alternative escort mechanism. If they opened their eyes and understood the possibilities, they could possibly pursue them and ultimately have more fun in the bowl. Tunnel vision is what it is though.

That said, I have no doubt that age will impact my game should I stay in the bowl into my social security years. Honestly even now I can only deal with a 18-22 year old in small doses, I may want to pay them to go away as quickly as possible when I'm 65 or 70, I can fully envision that. And I'm sure I'd be beyond amazed if I'm 70 and some 25 year old tells me she wants more than just an SD/SB arrangement. But at any given age, a 30 year age difference is perfectly doable.

OK, let's get off this latest jag. I troll UTR ads on CL, those posted in the Resume section w / photos (southern California). I've been messaging w / a girl who's cute but says she has a BF right now, and I'm trying to turn her. This is a message I got from her today. Interpret it as you wish.

I wanted to respond back to you. That's only fair. You wrote to me.

My gf's have sugar daddies. The men are nice to them. & they really enjoy the great sex.

Everybody want's young pretty pussy & nice tits 2 suck on.

It's got to feel so good when you shoot in there. Nice & deep.

Your paying for pleasure. But you pay 4 it somehow anyway huh. LOL?

So your married. Kool.

But you would like a younger girl to enjoy right?

So I'm in NYC and have an overnight planned with an SB I had been chatting up for a week or so. Sexy photos shared, naughty messages, all the good stuff.

She comes to my hotel room, we have a drink and I notice a tattoo on her arm that I had not noticed in her photos.

"What does your tattoo say?

"Its my Dad's name".

"I take it he is no longer with us".

"yes, sadly".

Hate to benefit from the misfortune of others, but is it any wonder you want to be banged into next Tuesday by a guy your dad's age?

Back in January, had another SB tell me what an unambitious man her father was, not helping her out with college so even going to a state school landed her $40 K in debt. Yet an hour after dinner she is screaming "fuck my ass, Daddy", a recurring theme throughout the night.

[QUOTE=CarltonW;3134184]

Hate to benefit from the misfortune of others, but is it any wonder you want to be banged into next Tuesday by a guy your dad's age?
Back in January, had another SB tell me what an unambitious man her father was, not helping her out with college so even going to a state school landed her $40 K in debt. Yet an hour after dinner she is screaming "fuck my ass, Daddy", a recurring theme throughout the night.[/QUOTE]It's weird, but I've written before about how the daddy issues I've encountered can be placed into one of two broad categories, either the Absent Daddy or the Tough-Act-To-Follow Daddy.

The absent daddy is usually something like her dad just wasn't around (raised by a single mom, or dad's an alcoholic, or just abandoned them, or otherwise did a shit job of participating in her life).

The tough act to follow daddy is the father that spoils the little princess, being the sole anchor of her life and thus setting the expectation that only an older man can properly worship her and make life's stress go away (and I don't just mean financially, I mean in the way he treats her and talks to her).

From what I can tell both types of daddy issue gravitate them toward dating older men. Even if you ask about their dating history prior to their first foray into sugaring, you'll find a preference for much older men.

Sounds like yours might have had a hybrid scenario, maybe a spoiling daddy that passed away (transforming him from the tough act to follow to absent), resulting in a perfect storm of daddy issues.

I think women with more "average" daddies (actively participates in her life but doesn't spoil) are more likely to seek out age appropriate mates.

Really guys,

You found hot young things willing to fuck you and you are bickering as to why??

Honestly, who gives a shit? Just be grateful and enjoy, for sooner than you think you will miss these days.

I tell my ladies I am going to believe whatever story they tell me.

I focus on making sure we are going to enjoy our time while we are together, period.

I don't are why, I care that she is there with me when she has many choices to be elsewhere. For that, I am grateful and I am going to make her feel like a little princess.

As some of you may remember I was busted by the SO two and half months ago and although she got over it after a few days I elected to cut back from 2 to 3 times a week in the FC to once, maybe twice a week. But the big change in my MO was converting from 2 "business trips" overnight out per week in a 1. 5 to 2 hour radius of home to typically afternoon meets within a 30 to 45 minute radius. Sadly in a way this meant I would no longer routinely have the luxury of 4 to 6 hour SB dates (or even overnights) but instead needing to schedule 1. 5 to 2 hour FC dates. So this translates into having a collection of basically "4 hour alibis" available to offer up to the SO. Following is a list of my top ten favorites the past three years, although you will note I have the advantage of owning both a Harley m / c and a 4 WD wrangler jeep.

1. Motorcycle rides. Probably most of the brothers are not inclined to jump out and get a m / c but if you can then you should. Every Sunday (weather permitting) the SO knows is my "ride day" and not to expect a quick text response. Also gives the option of joining a bike rider club (Harley HOG chapter is ideal) and then skip the scheduled rides for the FC dates.

2. Jeep 4 wheelin' - I have a "friend" with a jeep who lives an hour away. Every so often "we" go 4 wheelin' usually on the Sundays when the weather is not good for m / c rides. Don't make the mistake I made; the SO one time asked me what his name was and I had to make up a name real quick.

3. Pick-up at the airport. I have a "business client" who travels into the local area for a week at a time. Instead of him having to rent a car for the week I pick him up at the airport on mondays and bring him back to fridays. The assumption is I take him to his hotel which is close to his employer's location. Sometimes we "have dinner at a restaurant. " Sometimes the flight "gets delayed. ".

4. Guy Movie. I will tell the SO I am going to a movie that I know she would not want to see. I try to wait until the movie is only playing at a theater at least 30 to 45 minutes from home.

5. Car repair issue. I have an older car (jeep) but any car could suddenly have critical issues (e. G. brakes, etc) that require going to a car repair shop and waiting a few hours while they "work on the car. ".

6. Auto Trader. Maybe it is time to consider getting a newer used car. Find some sellers that are a couple of hours away from home "to look at" their car.

7. Craigs List specialty item for sale. Same idea as Auto Trader but to look at some hard to find specialty item that you have a personal need for.

8. Trade association / Men's club association. Join an association with monthly or quarterly meetings, preferably an hour or more from home. When I get their email announcements as to date and time I always forward them to the SO. I have one particular trade association that meets twice a year in Chicago. For the past two years I have driven to the local airport for the 2 day trips but never got on the plane.

9. Out of town friend travelling through. Every so often an "old friend" (high school, college, etc) will be passing through the area, in which case we will meet for lunch, dinner, etc someplace an hour or so away.

10. Out of town funeral. As we get older occasionally an "old friend" from high school, college, etc passes away in a town a few hours or more away.

11. (Bonus) Trail Hiking. Two years ago I started to do trail hiking to prepare for a year of training for the Grand Canyon Rim to Rim hike. My "favorite trail" was an hour and half away and provided an easy 4 to 6 hour alibi.

If anyone has their own to share then by all means post them. One of the brothers this summer posted his "fitness club gym" alibi but, for me, my gym is 5 minutes away and does not give me an easy 4 hour block of time.

[QUOTE=StormyTuesday;3135175] If anyone has their own to share then by all means post them. One of the brothers this summer posted his "fitness club gym" alibi but, for me, my gym is 5 minutes away and does not give me an easy 4 hour block of time.[/QUOTE]One of my favorite tricks (that should work to some degree for most brothers) is to pick some event in a city other than your hometown that you "need" to go to for an overnighter (without mentioning to the SO that the overnighter involves some 20 year old in your bed).

There are several components to this that are important to perfect execution. It doesn't have to be a perfect execution to get you laid without getting caught, but there are certain things you can do that make it almost bullet proof:

1. Invite your SO to go with you, but make sure the event is something she has zero interest in and make sure she already has a schedule conflict the day after that date before asking (I. E. Due to her normal work schedule or whatever). She's going to say she can't go and encourage you to go alone in most cases if you choose correctly. Think hard about something you have some remote interest in, but that bores her to tears (an industry conference she has no interest in? Sporting event? Concert for certain music genres she hates? She'll be happy to tell you to save the expense of two tickets because she can't go).

2. Choose an event that you can provide some proof of purchase for later. If you have no intention of actually attending the event, try to buy a ticket to something you can easily refund or sell, so that at least you have a printed ticket receipt to print out. If refunding or selling the ticket is not an option, just make sure it's a cheap enough expense that you don't mind eating the cost.

3. Leave indications of everything about the event laying where she can see them in advance but don't make it obvious (like leave them laying on your desk where she would find them if she's looking, but don't leave them on the coffee table in the living room).

4. If you do go to the event, make sure you purchase only one ticket, and don't take your SB with you to the event even if, for example, your SB is into sports and its her favorite team on the planet. It's just not worth the risk of being photographed with her by a PI that your wife hired. Knowing what event you are going to ahead of time is a private investigator's dream scenario.

5. Web based ticket sales make it easy to find candidate events in a given city or on a particular date. Usually you have to choose one of those two factors and work everything else around it, and that can at times be challenging. For example you might have an SB that you really want to see in Miami, and you really want to do it on November 1st, but as you look around the only event you can find on that date is some sports event that your SO knows you have little to no interest in. Don't do it. Either change the city or change the dates or change the SB. The other aspects of this trick, such as the cost of the hotel and / or event itself, make it not worth your time to introduce unnecessary risk. The lack of risk, the ease of verifying your story, and the overall believability is the only reason to pull this one in the first place.

Now, for bonus points.... if you're able to schedule all of this in such a way that it actually is an event that you do want to attend (or need to for work purposes), even better! Schedule your SB date after the event.

Also it should go without saying, but its important with any scam like this to be aware of surrounding circumstances. If you've recently started working out more, showing heightened interest in your appearance, spending more time alone on the computer/smartphone, coming home from work later etc., then going out of town for any reason is likely to be suspect. It's something that needs to be integrated into your lifestyle slowly and on an ongoing basis rather than something your read on a forum and spontaneously decide to try out.

As part of my qualification process, I always ask about their previous experience or interest in older men. I'm surprised how many younger women prefer and have traditionally dated older men. Sometimes their definition of "older" is 10-20 years and not 30-40, but it is still an interesting phenomenon. I think dating older men is much more acceptable today for the 18-25 age group then it ever was. So many young women have been treated poorly by young men that dating older men or dating women is almost considered normal. Combine the with Daddy issues mentioned above and you have a great opportunity for some of us older gentlemen.

I steer away from women that have not expressed any interest in older men. They tend to be in it for only the money. No matter how good of actors they are, it's never as good as someone that truly enjoys the experience. That's why I tend to steer away from escorts or UTR's. I can tell their heart isn't it it.

The downside is that it does run the risk of unintended attachment on both sides.

[QUOTE=JZLizard;3134438]It's weird, but I've written before about how the daddy issues I've encountered can be placed into one of two broad categories, either the Absent Daddy or the Tough-Act-To-Follow Daddy.

The absent daddy is usually something like her dad just wasn't around (raised by a single mom, or dad's an alcoholic, or just abandoned them, or otherwise did a shit job of participating in her life).

The tough act to follow daddy is the father that spoils the little princess, being the sole anchor of her life and thus setting the expectation that only an older man can properly worship her and make life's stress go away (and I don't just mean financially, I mean in the way he treats her and talks to her).

From what I can tell both types of daddy issue gravitate them toward dating older men. Even if you ask about their dating history prior to their first foray into sugaring, you'll find a preference for much older men.

Sounds like yours might have had a hybrid scenario, maybe a spoiling daddy that passed away (transforming him from the tough act to follow to absent), resulting in a perfect storm of daddy issues.

I think women with more "average" daddies (actively participates in her life but doesn't spoil) are more likely to seek out age appropriate mates.[/QUOTE]

I completely agree with JZLizard's comments. I feel you really have to start planting these seeds long term. Even before you have a baby, you should be slowly altering your schedule and / or working out, looking better, etc. Thus when you do have that PYT, there is no sudden change in behavior. Hell, even if you just sit in a parking lot for a bit while you are "doing an event" or such, it's setting that behavior up for later on. You have to think long term with these things. Start slow and small, slowly build. It's the sudden change that gets you caught. If it is taking money out of a noticeable account, start with smaller amounts. Say you had lunch, or some hobby that you use cash for. Save that money up for gifting or such. Enough drips in the sink with eventually overflow it. Nothing should be done spur of the moment. Slow and steady wins always. Quick and brash gets you busted.

[QUOTE=JZLizard;3135226]One of my favorite tricks (that should work to some degree for most brothers) is to pick some event in a city other than your hometown that you "need" to go to for an overnighter (without mentioning to the SO that the overnighter involves some 20 year old in your bed).

There are several components to this that are important to perfect execution. It doesn't have to be a perfect execution to get you laid without getting caught, but there are certain things you can do that make it almost bullet proof:

1. Invite your SO to go with you, but make sure the event is something she has zero interest in and make sure she already has a schedule conflict the day after that date before asking (I. E. Due to her normal work schedule or whatever). She's going to say she can't go and encourage you to go alone in most cases if you choose correctly. Think hard about something you have some remote interest in, but that bores her to tears (an industry conference she has no interest in? Sporting event? Concert for certain music genres she hates? She'll be happy to tell you to save the expense of two tickets because she can't go).

2. Choose an event that you can provide some proof of purchase for later. If you have no intention of actually attending the event, try to buy a ticket to something you can easily refund or sell, so that at least you have a printed ticket receipt to print out. If refunding or selling the ticket is not an option, just make sure it's a cheap enough expense that you don't mind eating the cost.

3. Leave indications of everything about the event laying where she can see them in advance but don't make it obvious (like leave them laying on your desk where she would find them if she's looking, but don't leave them on the coffee table in the living room).

4. If you do go to the event, make sure you purchase only one ticket, and don't take your SB with you to the event even if, for example, your SB is into sports and its her favorite team on the planet. It's just not worth the risk of being photographed with her by a PI that your wife hired. Knowing what event you are going to ahead of time is a private investigator's dream scenario.

5. Web based ticket sales make it easy to find candidate events in a given city or on a particular date. Usually you have to choose one of those two factors and work everything else around it, and that can at times be challenging. For example you might have an SB that you really want to see in Miami, and you really want to do it on November 1st, but as you look around the only event you can find on that date is some sports event that your SO knows you have little to no interest in. Don't do it. Either change the city or change the dates or change the SB. The other aspects of this trick, such as the cost of the hotel and / or event itself, make it not worth your time to introduce unnecessary risk. The lack of risk, the ease of verifying your story, and the overall believability is the only reason to pull this one in the first place.

Now, for bonus points.... if you're able to schedule all of this in such a way that it actually is an event that you do want to attend (or need to for work purposes), even better! Schedule your SB date after the event.

Also it should go without saying, but its important with any scam like this to be aware of surrounding circumstances. If you've recently started working out more, showing heightened interest in your appearance, spending more time alone on the computer/smartphone, coming home from work later etc., then going out of town for any reason is likely to be suspect. It's something that needs to be integrated into your lifestyle slowly and on an ongoing basis rather than something your read on a forum and spontaneously decide to try out.[/QUOTE]

Whats UTR? Thanks.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3134033]OK, let's get off this latest jag. I troll UTR ads on CL, those posted in the Resume section w / photos (southern California). I've been messaging w / a girl who's cute but says she has a BF right now, and I'm trying to turn her. This is a message I got from her today. Interpret it as you wish.

I wanted to respond back to you. That's only fair. You wrote to me.

My gf's have sugar daddies. The men are nice to them. & they really enjoy the great sex.

Everybody want's young pretty pussy & nice tits 2 suck on.

It's got to feel so good when you shoot in there. Nice & deep.

Your paying for pleasure. But you pay 4 it somehow anyway huh. LOL?

So your married. Kool.

But you would like a younger girl to enjoy right?[/QUOTE]

Have to share, I met a 22 year old potential SB from SA Monday after work. She lives with her mother, so I had to drive by her house and pick her up. She is 5-8, slender, half asian and was dressed like I imagine she dresses like when she goes out on the weekends to hook up. Needlessmto say very hot.

I had planned to take her for a quick bite to eat to break the ice, but when I told her so her response was, " ok, if you are hungry. " My response was, so are you up to go to a hotel? 20 minutes later we were naked on the bed at the hotel and I was getting her warmed up. I have been with a lot of women but this one had the best body that I have ever seen. Her skills in bed were not great, but they can be improved as she is a willing student and I don't mind being the teacher.

Long story short, we left the hotel with no mention of sugar and she very happy with the sugar I gave her.

[QUOTE=StormyTuesday;3135175]As some of you may remember I was busted by the SO two and half months ago and although she got over it after a few days I elected to cut back from 2 to 3 times a week in the FC to once, maybe twice a week. But the big change in my MO was converting from 2 "business trips" overnight out per week in a 1. 5 to 2 hour radius of home to typically afternoon meets within a 30 to 45 minute radius. Sadly in a way this meant I would no longer routinely have the luxury of 4 to 6 hour SB dates (or even overnights) but instead needing to schedule 1. 5 to 2 hour FC dates. So this translates into having a collection of basically "4 hour alibis" available to offer up to the SO. Following is a list of my top ten favorites the past three years, although you will note I have the advantage of owning both a Harley m / c and a 4 WD wrangler jeep.

If anyone has their own to share then by all means post them. One of the brothers this summer posted his "fitness club gym" alibi but, for me, my gym is 5 minutes away and does not give me an easy 4 hour block of time.[/QUOTE]ST, I congratulate you for putting all this together, but I can also say, brother, you got it bad. There's a monkey on your back. I recall when you were busted. I am amazed you've gotten to this stage, but I wouldn't assume you are home free. You are into the bowl hook line and sinker. Make sure you have all backup plans in place should the SO have a change of heart. Can you really think what you are doing is fooling her, after she has been alerted?

[QUOTE=JZLizard;3135226]One of my favorite tricks (that should work to some degree for most brothers) is to pick some event in a city other than your hometown that you "need" to go to for an overnighter (without mentioning to the SO that the overnighter involves some 20 year old in your bed).

Also it should go without saying, but its important with any scam like this to be aware of surrounding circumstances. If you've recently started working out more, showing heightened interest in your appearance, spending more time alone on the computer/smartphone, coming home from work later etc., then going out of town for any reason is likely to be suspect. It's something that needs to be integrated into your lifestyle slowly and on an ongoing basis rather than something your read on a forum and spontaneously decide to try out.[/QUOTE]As noted, hobbies provide excellent excuses for hours or overnights. Invest in rental properties out of town. There were always problems that needed attention! If you want to go this route, I highly recommend a place in Myrtle Beach. If you are not an investor, consider it and go visit properties. Your SO would never want to look at a nasty prospective rental house.

Second, buy a boat. Boats always need work and SB's love to go out for a ride. Keep it way out of town. It also helps if your SO dislikes boating.

[QUOTE=VeryBigBuck;3135642]Have to share, I met a 22 year old potential SB from SA Monday after work. She lives with her mother, so I had to drive by her house and pick her up. She is 5-8, slender, half asian and was dressed like I imagine she dresses like when she goes out on the weekends to hook up. Needlessmto say very hot.

I had planned to take her for a quick bite to eat to break the ice, but when I told her so her response was, " ok, if you are hungry. " My response was, so are you up to go to a hotel? 20 minutes later we were naked on the bed at the hotel and I was getting her warmed up. I have been with a lot of women but this one had the best body that I have ever seen. Her skills in bed were not great, but they can be improved as she is a willing student and I don't mind being the teacher.

Long story short, we left the hotel with no mention of sugar and she very happy with the sugar I gave her.[/QUOTE]Nice! If We had a virtual bell here, I would ring it. Can you share the sugar $, ballpark, and what part of the country, and how long it took to close the deal?

Has anyone experimented with airbnb, versus hotels / motels? Are you likely to run into the owner (s) and possibly their kids on the way in or out (which would be kinda awkward)?

[QUOTE=Assaholic;3136175]Has anyone experimented with airbnb, versus hotels / motels? Are you likely to run into the owner (s) and possibly their kids on the way in or out (which would be kinda awkward)?[/QUOTE]Its only awkward if they know you. Otherwise, how would they know you aren't in town with your daughter looking at grad schools -- or if you are reasonably close in age, on a getaway date (touring the region, hence 1 night stay mid week).

You should never stay under the same roof as your hosts, so they won't know when you come and go, scream, not stay the night etc.

The bigger issue is the whole basis of AirBnB is for people to share experiences with their hosts / renters.

If they do hear screams of "fuck me in the ass, daddy" coming from the rentail in the middle of the day, you obviously don't stay the night and leave cum stained towels and sheets every where, its likely word will spread and you will be flagged as an undesireable renter.

If you think you need non-hotel accomodations regularly, you should seriously look into subletting an apartment.

[QUOTE=DrMcNaughty;3135618]Whats UTR? Thanks.[/QUOTE]While I was going to advise one to help themself using the "Give a man a fish and he eats today, teach a man to fish and he eats everyday" philosophy, I see that this common term is not defined in the Forum Abbreviations.

UTR = Under The Radar.

UTR, Term commonly used for girls who are pro / semi-pro but VERY discrete in their dating activities. We can start a debate on what is UTR and what isn't, but the point is they aren't the girls with adverts everywhere, not on BP and usually no website. But they ARE pro girls as opposed to SB as used in this context. I mean really the minutia we could get into in defining UTR. If a girl posts on CL once a month, takes her post down after a few hours and only sees a couple of regulars, is she disqualified because she "advertised" on CL? I mean seriously! See how much room for debate & opinion there is?

I guess we could have a debate of the difference between SBs and UTR girls. And that could drag on for many posts. Perhaps many think of SBs as "normal" college girls or post college girls with a job who are dating older guys for fun and Sugar. The Sugar isn't their main source of income (usually) and they have some level of selectivity and aren't doing every Tom, Dick & Harry that comes along because they need to pat rent, have money for kids school trip or get tires for the car. But then again, I suspect some kind gent here has a SB that he provides help for all of those things, so we can debate the difference there too!

Oops! Spoke too soon! I see that there IS a definition in the "Sugarbaby Thread Highlights, Index, and FAQ," post #2, [U]Definitions and Useful Info[/U]. Find this thread in the same "User Blog" section of the Richmond board, well below this one!

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?15100-Sugarbaby-Thread-Highlights-Index-and-FAQ&p=2480291&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2480291.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3135901]ST, I congratulate you for putting all this together, but I can also say, brother, you got it bad. There's a monkey on your back. I recall when you were busted. I am amazed you've gotten to this stage, but I wouldn't assume you are home free. You are into the bowl hook line and sinker. Make sure you have all backup plans in place should the SO have a change of heart. Can you really think what you are doing is fooling her, after she has been alerted?[/QUOTE]I want to agree with the guy agreeing with JL. If the original poster was staying out regularly and then stops doing that suddenly upon being busted, well that tells her for sure that every last one of those overnights were a ruse.

Mighty tips and strategies here. Thank you for the contributions. I did use one of them recently--blew my friends off halfway through the reggae concert. Girlfriend was waiting in the nearby hotel room. Only downside was all the texts coming in as I was eating her pussy-Hey! Where are you? Did you get back to your car yet? We're going out to the bar now. Come met us. ".

Couldn't agree with VA SAIL more.

Rentals are great because they provide for a whole host of opportunites. Need to fix the place up, so I've got to run to the home improvement store for a few hours, then got to fix the toilet. Cash for improvements are a perfect cover for withdrawals for a few 100. Did your tenants tell you that they're out of town and ask you to pick up their mail? Automatic fc spot. Just tell the baby you rented on air B&B, otherwise she will have a way to track you. In between tenants? Same deal. Free fc for a week or two. Realtors must have a field day with this.

Boats are great too. Young babies love being on the water in their bikinis. Get a boat with a cuddy cabin. Again, free fc. Bang on the boat. You can also "pack a picnic with wine" and watch your dating costs drop considerably as well. They say that boats are moneypits, but that's only if you're not using them to defray sugar costs. If you're rich enough to have a boat that has a full on cabin that's docked 40 minutes away, again, use that as a room. Tell your baby to meet you at the restaurant in a different Marina, to make sure she can't trace you back to your slip.

Another one of my favorites is the poker room. Tell your so you're going to the casino. Most SOs have no desire to sit for 5 hours of grinding on a table. Cash in 1000 in chips and take a picture of them on the table, with a message that you're up huge! Your so will be happy that you're coming back with money, then cash them back out, and spend the evening out with your baby.

Those are just a few of my favorites. But the rental property and boat are huge.

[QUOTE=Vasail;3135916]As noted, hobbies provide excellent excuses for hours or overnights. Invest in rental properties out of town. There were always problems that needed attention! If you want to go this route, I highly recommend a place in Myrtle Beach. If you are not an investor, consider it and go visit properties. Your SO would never want to look at a nasty prospective rental house.

Second, buy a boat. Boats always need work and SB's love to go out for a ride. Keep it way out of town. It also helps if your SO dislikes boating.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=UlieFacedown;3136588]I want to agree with the guy agreeing with JL. If the original poster was staying out regularly and then stops doing that suddenly upon being busted, well that tells her for sure that every last one of those overnights were a ruse.

Mighty tips and strategies here. Thank you for the contributions. I did use one of them recently--blew my friends off halfway through the reggae concert. Girlfriend was waiting in the nearby hotel room. Only downside was all the texts coming in as I was eating her pussy-Hey! Where are you? Did you get back to your car yet? We're going out to the bar now. Come met us. ".[/QUOTE]The only downside to all of this is that every time we reveal our techniques on a board like this, there are also SBs (some of whom are the SOs of the future) that are reading these techniques and learning how we think, which of course will work to our disadvantage in the long run. I already found a case of one little sour vag copying one of my posts verbatim and posting it on an SB blog as an example to make her point. I suppose plagiarism is one of the more sincere forms of flattery but I didn't really appreciate her gesture.

I'm sure wives and girlfriends read it too, to some extent.

So October ended up being a real binge. My CL experience I wrote about before produced additional hits. 8 new women in the FC, and 2 that I repeated with. Here are 3 more, the bikini is a one and done great body but turned out to be a UTR, the other 2 are keepers, as is one whose pic I won't share. I have taken down the ad, will stay with these for a while.

[QUOTE=Assaholic;3136172]Nice! If We had a virtual bell here, I would ring it. Can you share the sugar $, ballpark, and what part of the country, and how long it took to close the deal?[/QUOTE]This is in the Maryland area, she is self listed as practical seems very pleased with the $$.

Next I need to get my 3 x your age card punched. My best so far is 2. 94, all over 18 of course.

[QUOTE=Beachesnole02;3136960]So October ended up being a real binge. My CL experience I wrote about before produced additional hits. 8 new women in the FC, and 2 that I repeated with. Here are 3 more, the bikini is a one and done great body but turned out to be a UTR, the other 2 are keepers, as is one whose pic I won't share. I have taken down the ad, will stay with these for a while.[/QUOTE]Hey Beachesnole02, I'd tried to send you a PM but your box is full.

[QUOTE=Beachesnole02;3136960]So October ended up being a real binge. My CL experience I wrote about before produced additional hits. 8 new women in the FC, and 2 that I repeated with. Here are 3 more, the bikini is a one and done great body but turned out to be a UTR, the other 2 are keepers, as is one whose pic I won't share. I have taken down the ad, will stay with these for a while.[/QUOTE]She needs a clean up WTF.

Youngest I had had just turned 18 but my Xscore is at 2.

I met an 18 yr old Korean girl last week and we went at it nonstop for six hours till my crotch began to hurt. How may times does that happen? LOL.

[QUOTE=VeryBigBuck;3137204]This is in the Maryland area, she is self listed as practical seems very pleased with the $$.

Next I need to get my 3 x your age card punched. My best so far is 2. 94, all over 18 of course.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=VeryBigBuck;3137204]This is in the Maryland area, she is self listed as practical seems very pleased with the $$.

Next I need to get my 3 x your age card punched. My best so far is 2. 94, all over 18 of course.[/QUOTE]Let's go with ⅓ your age - 3 x your age would be pretty gross. LOL.

3 X is gross? In this day and age many men in their 50's still can attract younger women. Most of People Magazines Most Sexiest Men have been late 40's to early 50's for the last decade. I can tell you a mature attractive 54 year old man that stays in shape can definitely get the attention of many 18 year old girls. It's the SD sites that let's the girls act on it.

I'm almost 52 and have no problem attracting younger women. They just don't always want to tell their friends!! LOL.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3139397]Let's go with ⅓ your age - 3 x your age would be pretty gross. LOL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;3140168]3 X is gross? In this day and age many men in their 50's still can attract younger women. Most of People Magazines Most Sexiest Men have been late 40's to early 50's for the last decade. I can tell you a mature attractive 54 year old man that stays in shape can definitely get the attention of many 18 year old girls. It's the SD sites that let's the girls act on it.

I'm almost 52 and have no problem attracting younger women. They just don't always want to tell their friends!! LOL.[/QUOTE]Couldn't agree with you more.

A good looking, fit, smart, well groomed, well dressed, and charming personality mid 40 to mid 50 guy can get way more pussies than a hot young stud. I guaranteed it.

And here's a secret. Work out 3-5 days a week, eat healthy, sleep well, take proper supplements and you will look like a 40 yr old when you're in your 50's.