"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Tc9869;3126513] In reality I have no misconceptions of her leaving her bf for a sd or money, but I'm really more concerned with her keeping secrets from me.[/QUOTE]I agree w / Fish that her having a BF is NBD. However, the bowl is a place where nothing is exactly what it seems. Better get used to her keeping secrets from you. You presumably are doing the same w / her, yes? I will quote a PM I just got from Cephlapod Love: "I have found that about half of what these girls tell me is true. LOL! I. Take it with a grain of salt". My experience is less extensive but it seems like that's a good rule of thumb to use. They're all models, right? Don't drink her Kool-Aid.

I have observed that plenty of babies aren't very concerned about keeping a secret identity, and in many cases I have tracked down their facts with not much effort, or they have come out early. But their worries are different than ours. They don't want to become targets of freaks or stalkers. Once they've concluded we're not that, they're usually pretty good. We (the 40% of us on SA who are married, reportedly) are trying to avoid discovery. A different kettle of fish. That's forever.

Actually, there are a few of us here who are as interested in the personal as the sexual connection w / babies, and I would say the bowl is a little deficient in this regard. You can share your essence as a person, but not really your life b / c you're preserving anonymity. I have aliases for my *dogs* I use when talking w / my baby, and I can't even show her their pictures b / c they are so distinctive (think Spuds McKenzie). I have a pretty admirable life / career I'm quite proud of, and I think it makes me more attractive to women generally, but I can't really share that w / a baby b / c it reveals too much. She just knows I am smart, have money, and fuck her silly (which is plenty).

You all know I am pretty new to the bowl. As an indicator, when I'm alone in my car I still find myself shouting "I am fucking a hot 21-year old OMFG! (I didn't put that in the all-caps for shouting as I know it gets deleted.) Remember those days?

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Point of this part was basically to show 1) playing the nice guy can absolutely work and 2) give you an idea what her demeanor has been like. Now is where I'm unsure how to proceed.

She had to cancel that Saturday for a funeral. We rescheduled for today. I noticed last night she blocked my main account on Facebook (seemed odd, as I'd never sent a friends request or anything). From a second account, I saw she is now in a relationship as of three days ago. Seems reasonable to suspect this relationship was the actual reason for the cancellation Saturday. I've never had a SB with a boyfriend, and I'm not sure if / how I should proceed. Many of you mention not seeing a SB if she's not exclusive, but I've also seen the idea of being accepting of her having a bf because it shows confidence etc. However, I can't even inquire without making it obvious I was snooping. I'm absolutely going to proceed with today because she's fun and extremely sexy (does some light modeling etc. , very skinny with a C cup), but I'd like this to be a regular thing (maybe 3-4 times a month) and I'm tempted to say giving away I was snooping or mentioning I know what she's trying to hide is just going to cause an issue and push her away. In reality I have no misconceptions of her leaving her bf for a sd or money, but I'm really more concerned with her keeping secrets from me.[/QUOTE]By no means let her know you're 'snooping' on her. While it is relatively normal for most people to check-up on partners, it still weirds many people out.

I posted a while ago about a new app Beewake that let people book hotel rooms by the hour.

It now has a web interface as well. I did some searching earlier today to see availability. They had rooms in NY, Chicago, and San Fran. None of the available rooms were the Ritz, but in NY they had an Aloft in the financial district. Surprisingly they had nothing in LA, or DC.

They definitely seem to be growing so let's hope they get coverage in more locales soon!

[QUOTE=BikeRider;3126647]I posted a while ago about a new app Beewake that let people book hotel rooms by the hour.
It now has a web interface as well. I did some searching earlier today to see availability. They had rooms in NY, Chicago, and San Fran. None of the available rooms were the Ritz, but in NY they had an Aloft in the financial district. Surprisingly they had nothing in LA, or DC.
They definitely seem to be growing so let's hope they get coverage in more locales soon![/QUOTE]I'm just waiting for some entrepreneur to tap into the demand for short-term sex rooms. Something mobile like a FuckTruckDotCom app where you put in a parking lot location for the guy and girl to arrive, and the equivalent of an Uber driver shows up in a custom van with a bed in the back. I would say self-driving fuck trucks are the future but then who would change the sheets between sessions?

[QUOTE=JZLizard;3126708]I'm just waiting for some entrepreneur to tap into the demand for short-term sex rooms. Something mobile like a FuckTruckDotCom app where you put in a parking lot location for the guy and girl to arrive, and the equivalent of an Uber driver shows up in a custom van with a bed in the back. I would say self-driving fuck trucks are the future but then who would change the sheets between sessions?[/QUOTE]I'm just the paranoid type, so would be suspicious of someones "pre-set" FC on wheels. Do I have to become an expert in surveillance to insure our session doesn't end up on some website like that fake taxi in London?

[QUOTE=JZLizard;3126708]I'm just waiting for some entrepreneur to tap into the demand for short-term sex rooms. Something mobile like a FuckTruckDotCom app where you put in a parking lot location for the guy and girl to arrive, and the equivalent of an Uber driver shows up in a custom van with a bed in the back. I would say self-driving fuck trucks are the future but then who would change the sheets between sessions?[/QUOTE]In Japan they have 'love hotels' b / c people often have little privacy at home. The rooms come complete w / accoutrements and supplies of your choice.

[blue]We have them here in Buenos Aires as well. Most civilized cities do.

Shit is uptight in Sex Prison, I feel for my brothers.

A2[/blue]

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3126750]I'm just the paranoid type, so would be suspicious of someones "pre-set" FC on wheels. Do I have to become an expert in surveillance to insure our session doesn't end up on some website like that fake taxi in London?[/QUOTE]Umm. Well I hate to point out the obvious but FakeTaxi is a staged site with professional actresses. So, if you want to own your own porn company then yeah I'd have to probably recommend go ahead and investing in a camera. Otherwise you're probably overestimating the amount of privacy you get once you go on the internet at all. For example, phpbb itself has so many backdoors and security exploits available that are an inherent part of the software source code base, that someone with the right skills can quickly track a username to a real identity on a forum like this without too much effort. The Internet has never been a safe zone for anything.

True, but there are actually many girls who are not fucking machines like most of us are. They don't necessarily live to be fucked and hunger for the next dick. Even though you can't count on fidelity, often they are happy with one guy and not looking for more. Eventually, every young girl will want "the real deal" and move on.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;3126802]True, but there are actually many girls who are not fucking machines like most of us are. They don't necessarily live to be fucked and hunger for the next dick. Even though you can't count on fidelity, often they are happy with one guy and not looking for more. Eventually, every young girl will want "the real deal" and move on.[/QUOTE]My first SB asked for an exclusive. She was a single mom and she just didn't have time to be dealing w / multiple guys. I never wondered if she was honoring that. Of course, she needed to max her return on me, which eventually proved our undoing.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;3126802]True, but there are actually many girls who are not fucking machines like most of us are. They don't necessarily live to be fucked and hunger for the next dick. Even though you can't count on fidelity, often they are happy with one guy and not looking for more. Eventually, every young girl will want "the real deal" and move on.[/QUOTE]Just to be clear I wasn't saying all women are cheaters. I was saying if someone is paying an SB, it's not realistic to expect her to be exclusive just because she says she is. Just like I gift them to create emotional separation, if she is being paid, then there is an emotional separation there. Most women find themselves feeling like they are missing something when there is an emotional gap in their relationship, so if for example they are married to an older guy that pays all the bills, at some point they will start to crave that feeling of being with someone just because you care about each other, they tend to stray and find emotional friends / lovers to supplement their primary relationship -- relationships that are intentionally not based on money. Are there exceptions? Sure, particularly when measured over some period of time other than eternity. But given enough time, girls of a certain age will usually stray, at least occasionally, out of the arms of MisterMoney and into the arms of someone else, even if only for a fling.

This does not include the class of SBs that get flipped into real girlfriends. Some of the guys that have done that would have to comment. I'm sure that if the money is removed, and the girl loves the guy, she's capable of being loyal. I just don't have experience with turning an SB into an LTR.

[QUOTE=Tc9869;3126513]Two and a half weeks ago I met a wonderful girl on SA. The date seemed to go really well. I got a little concerned when she mentioned she joined the site because of a friend who does all online arrangements, and then her saying she'd need time to get comfortable with being intimate, but she ultimately agreed to the "sugar for sugar" concept and said she'd wait for an allowance until getting physical. The following weekend she had an art show, so we did some light texting throughout the week but that was it.

That Thursday I asked when I could see her again, and she responded "to be honest I don't think SA is for me, I'm looking for a means for fun and aid in expenses, but not necessarily 'prostitute' LOL".

I responded "alright".

She came back with "I enjoyed meeting you, though. Thanks for the experience LOL".

"LOL. I enjoyed meeting you too. Wish things had been different haha. You're really nice and possibly the most beautiful girl I've seen on there: D".

"You were a nice guy too. I lucked out meeting you on the first try haha. Perhaps give me a few days to think about my moral standing? LOL".

"LOL, sure. For what it's worth, I don't think of you that way at all. And I meant what I said about taking it as slow as you want".

"Well thanks".

I didn't text again until she was at the art gallery showing pieces. I engaged in a normal friendly manner (asking for pics of her art she was selling, she's really good). She randomly injected into the conversation she was having her birth control shot the following week. I asked if that meant I got to see her again, and she said she hoped so. I asked if she wanted to just grab lunch and then take it from there and she responded with "not saying we have to do this Saturday, but I've been craving a swimming pool lately. It would be fun to get a hotel and get tipsy in the tub LOL".

"LOL does that mean what I think it means? ".

"oh daddy, indeed it does".

Point of this part was basically to show 1) playing the nice guy can absolutely work and 2) give you an idea what her demeanor has been like. Now is where I'm unsure how to proceed.

She had to cancel that Saturday for a funeral. We rescheduled for today. I noticed last night she blocked my main account on Facebook (seemed odd, as I'd never sent a friends request or anything). From a second account, I saw she is now in a relationship as of three days ago. Seems reasonable to suspect this relationship was the actual reason for the cancellation Saturday. I've never had a SB with a boyfriend, and I'm not sure if / how I should proceed. Many of you mention not seeing a SB if she's not exclusive, but I've also seen the idea of being accepting of her having a bf because it shows confidence etc. However, I can't even inquire without making it obvious I was snooping. I'm absolutely going to proceed with today because she's fun and extremely sexy (does some light modeling etc. , very skinny with a C cup), but I'd like this to be a regular thing (maybe 3-4 times a month) and I'm tempted to say giving away I was snooping or mentioning I know what she's trying to hide is just going to cause an issue and push her away. In reality I have no misconceptions of her leaving her bf for a sd or money, but I'm really more concerned with her keeping secrets from me.[/QUOTE]I'd be curious about this, would you PM? I wonder if I've come across her is all.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3126750]I'm just the paranoid type, so would be suspicious of someones "pre-set" FC on wheels. Do I have to become an expert in surveillance to insure our session doesn't end up on some website like that fake taxi in London?[/QUOTE]Think of the great pick-up lines "hey meet me in the parking lot of the Piggly Wiggly"!

All (98% or more) SA girls in some degree:

1. Lie.

2. Change their minds every 5 minutes or less.

3. Date, have sex, etc. More than one guy.

4. Have some form of mental disorder / problems.

5. Knows they deserve free money because they are special.

6. Thinks that SA is just a platonic site.

These girls are believe some or all of 1-6. Once your mind understands this, you can play the game and not have the game play you.

[QUOTE=Tc9869;3126513]Two and a half weeks ago I met a wonderful girl on SA. The date seemed to go really well. I got a little concerned when she mentioned she joined the site because of a friend who does all online arrangements, and then her saying she'd need time to get comfortable with being intimate, but she ultimately agreed to the "sugar for sugar" concept and said she'd wait for an allowance until getting physical. The following weekend she had an art show, so we did some light texting throughout the week but that was it.

That Thursday I asked when I could see her again, and she responded "to be honest I don't think SA is for me, I'm looking for a means for fun and aid in expenses, but not necessarily 'prostitute' LOL".

I responded "alright".

She came back with "I enjoyed meeting you, though. Thanks for the experience LOL".

"LOL. I enjoyed meeting you too. Wish things had been different haha. You're really nice and possibly the most beautiful girl I've seen on there: D".

"You were a nice guy too. I lucked out meeting you on the first try haha. Perhaps give me a few days to think about my moral standing? LOL".

"LOL, sure. For what it's worth, I don't think of you that way at all. And I meant what I said about taking it as slow as you want".

"Well thanks".

I didn't text again until she was at the art gallery showing pieces. I engaged in a normal friendly manner (asking for pics of her art she was selling, she's really good). She randomly injected into the conversation she was having her birth control shot the following week. I asked if that meant I got to see her again, and she said she hoped so. I asked if she wanted to just grab lunch and then take it from there and she responded with "not saying we have to do this Saturday, but I've been craving a swimming pool lately. It would be fun to get a hotel and get tipsy in the tub LOL".

"LOL does that mean what I think it means? ".

"oh daddy, indeed it does".

Point of this part was basically to show 1) playing the nice guy can absolutely work and 2) give you an idea what her demeanor has been like. Now is where I'm unsure how to proceed.

She had to cancel that Saturday for a funeral. We rescheduled for today. I noticed last night she blocked my main account on Facebook (seemed odd, as I'd never sent a friends request or anything). From a second account, I saw she is now in a relationship as of three days ago. Seems reasonable to suspect this relationship was the actual reason for the cancellation Saturday. I've never had a SB with a boyfriend, and I'm not sure if / how I should proceed. Many of you mention not seeing a SB if she's not exclusive, but I've also seen the idea of being accepting of her having a bf because it shows confidence etc. However, I can't even inquire without making it obvious I was snooping. I'm absolutely going to proceed with today because she's fun and extremely sexy (does some light modeling etc. , very skinny with a C cup), but I'd like this to be a regular thing (maybe 3-4 times a month) and I'm tempted to say giving away I was snooping or mentioning I know what she's trying to hide is just going to cause an issue and push her away. In reality I have no misconceptions of her leaving her bf for a sd or money, but I'm really more concerned with her keeping secrets from me.[/QUOTE]

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She had to cancel that Saturday for a funeral. We rescheduled for today. I noticed last night she blocked my main account on Facebook (seemed odd, as I'd never sent a friends request or anything). From a second account, I saw she is now in a relationship as of three days ago. Seems reasonable to suspect this relationship was the actual reason for the cancellation Saturday. I've never had a SB with a boyfriend, and I'm not sure if / how I should proceed. Many of you mention not seeing a SB if she's not exclusive, but I've also seen the idea of being accepting of her having a bf because it shows confidence etc. However, I can't even inquire without making it obvious I was snooping. I'm absolutely going to proceed with today because she's fun and extremely sexy (does some light modeling etc. , very skinny with a C cup), but I'd like this to be a regular thing (maybe 3-4 times a month) and I'm tempted to say giving away I was snooping or mentioning I know what she's trying to hide is just going to cause an issue and push her away. In reality I have no misconceptions of her leaving her bf for a sd or money, but I'm really more concerned with her keeping secrets from me.[/QUOTE]Little bit of an update. Date was fantastic. She seemed very happy with the allowance (I gave her 240 at the end of a 5 hour date, I think she'd have been happy for less but I absolutely want to lock this one down into a long term arrangement). I already thought she was a 9 physically but after undressing, definitely a 10 face 10 body. Delivered a 10 in performance as well. I found a hotel near her that includes a private 2 person whirlpool sauna in the room for 80 bucks, and was two doors down from the pool so we enjoyed both.

During the course of the date's conversation, I had the opportunity to inquire about last boyfriend and last sex. Claimed last sex was over summer, because guys her age all fall into two buckets (want a serious relationship which she doesn't want, or are an asshole). Definitely seems to enjoy the perks of dating a little bit older (she's 22 I'm 31, so it's not huge) much nicer more mature option. Always seemed stunned at little things like my offering her my coat in the cold / rain tonight. Also claimed last boyfriend was a long time ago, which I know from snooping isn't quite true. Honestly too good of a liar for me to know how much of the above is true, maybe it's all fake. Not sure I care, I'm not looking for a serious relationship and the body / sex is unbelievable, I just wish she'd be honest.

Seems entirely willing to negotiate and work on allowance aspects as well. Discussed perhaps taking help with bills etc. Over an allowance.

Still not sure how I feel about her seeing another guy and lying to my face about it, but I think at the end of the day as long as I'm satisfied with our time together I should probably just ignore it.

Also said she was ok with me taking nudes as long as we weren't in the act, will try to post some next week. Also huge fan of these young girls who are ok with bareback, condoms blow. Spoke to a couple girls yesterday who refused to allow bareback even if I showed a recent clean test. Don't think I'm going to continue chasing other options though, as much as I like variety this one plus my girlfriend are going to eat all my time away from the wife.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3126774]In Japan they have 'love hotels' b / c people often have little privacy at home. The rooms come complete w / accoutrements and supplies of your choice.

[blue]We have them here in Buenos Aires as well. Most civilized cities do.

Shit is uptight in Sex Prison, I feel for my brothers.

A2[/blue][/QUOTE]What's worse is it seems like the no-tell motel is going the way of the payphone in the US. Those small family owned roadside motels that used to offer hourly stays mostly seem to be folding, falling into disrepair, selling when its an option, etc. Or maybe they stay open but they are in such shape that they are unsuitable for sugar dating. I was being a bit facetious with my FuckTruckDotCom app vision, but I don't think it's impossible to imagine something a little less "out there" happening in the future. The US is still relatively uptight about prostitution but I wonder how long it can last. Girls in high school these days dress like what would be considered streetwalkers attire 30 years ago and their moms encourage them to do so. Some of these sugar babies parents know what they do and in some cases even encourage them. Everything from social media to mainstream TV tends to raise the bar in shock value and sexual desensitization each successive year. I don't see it all going back in time and becoming more conservative, so I don't know where else it can lead except to legalized prostitution.

[QUOTE=Tc9869;3126513]Two and a half weeks ago I met a wonderful girl on SA. The date seemed to go really well. I got a little concerned when she mentioned she joined the site because of a friend who does all online arrangements, and then her saying she'd need time to get comfortable with being intimate, but she ultimately agreed to the "sugar for sugar" concept and said she'd wait for an allowance until getting physical. The following weekend she had an art show, so we did some light texting throughout the week but that was it.

That Thursday I asked when I could see her again, and she responded "to be honest I don't think SA is for me, I'm looking for a means for fun and aid in expenses, but not necessarily 'prostitute' LOL".

I responded "alright".

She came back with "I enjoyed meeting you, though. Thanks for the experience LOL".

"LOL. I enjoyed meeting you too. Wish things had been different haha. You're really nice and possibly the most beautiful girl I've seen on there: D".

"You were a nice guy too. I lucked out meeting you on the first try haha. Perhaps give me a few days to think about my moral standing? LOL".

"LOL, sure. For what it's worth, I don't think of you that way at all. And I meant what I said about taking it as slow as you want".

"Well thanks".

I didn't text again until she was at the art gallery showing pieces. I engaged in a normal friendly manner (asking for pics of her art she was selling, she's really good). She randomly injected into the conversation she was having her birth control shot the following week. I asked if that meant I got to see her again, and she said she hoped so. I asked if she wanted to just grab lunch and then take it from there and she responded with "not saying we have to do this Saturday, but I've been craving a swimming pool lately. It would be fun to get a hotel and get tipsy in the tub LOL".

"LOL does that mean what I think it means? ".

"oh daddy, indeed it does".

Point of this part was basically to show 1) playing the nice guy can absolutely work and 2) give you an idea what her demeanor has been like. Now is where I'm unsure how to proceed.

She had to cancel that Saturday for a funeral. We rescheduled for today. I noticed last night she blocked my main account on Facebook (seemed odd, as I'd never sent a friends request or anything). From a second account, I saw she is now in a relationship as of three days ago. Seems reasonable to suspect this relationship was the actual reason for the cancellation Saturday. I've never had a SB with a boyfriend, and I'm not sure if / how I should proceed. Many of you mention not seeing a SB if she's not exclusive, but I've also seen the idea of being accepting of her having a bf because it shows confidence etc. However, I can't even inquire without making it obvious I was snooping. I'm absolutely going to proceed with today because she's fun and extremely sexy (does some light modeling etc. , very skinny with a C cup), but I'd like this to be a regular thing (maybe 3-4 times a month) and I'm tempted to say giving away I was snooping or mentioning I know what she's trying to hide is just going to cause an issue and push her away. In reality I have no misconceptions of her leaving her bf for a sd or money, but I'm really more concerned with her keeping secrets from me.[/QUOTE]Keep it simple bud.

We pay, or gift, a hot young babe so that we have access to her body and all her holes.

If you're looking for a girlfriend, the bowl is not the place to look.

See her, fuck her good, and get back to your life and she goes back to hers.

Hi,

I have been a long time silence reader of this forum. I have been in the bowl for over two years now and found two young girls that I stuck with for a long time. I have recently moved to Austin and have been lining up a few 'prospects' in that area for a few meetups next week. I haven't discussed about 'sugar' with anyone yet nor did they bring it up yet. Does anyone have any experience at this location? Trying to get an idea on the normal expectations on sugar since this place is more expensive than where I was before. Thanks for your help.

[QUOTE=TravelinSD;3124892]In my perusing of Tinder and CL I've run across the scam of sending you to a verification site a bunch of times. This was the first time I've seen it on SA and seemed to be for SA's background verification. There were several strange things about her profile. Her ethnicity was listed as Native American, but her pic is a pale white blonde. Her profile talks about looking for a long term relationship, but her first message is asking me to get together to be an "nsa sex buddy" at a luxury hotel she's staying at. That's always a red flag for a scammer. The 3rd tip off is that her grammar was just a touch awkward with strange phrasing of things. Anyway, she of course says to meet I have to get SA's LDS (Local Discreet Stamp of SA). I do notice that SA's background check is with a 3rd party company. Perhaps that company is placing false profiles to scam people into the service.

Good hunting,

Travelin.[/QUOTE]I am not dealing with similar situation on SD4 ME. Interestingly, she is also a Native American. She didn't ask me to verify on any site, but she wants to know full name, where I live etc. Her grammar is also a little weird. Not sure if we are dealing with the same girl. If I were to believe the pics she sent me, she has a banging body with nice bolt-ons.

I found this on another city's SB thread. I hope I know how to post it. Anyway. What's your idea about blocking on SA someone you have started communicating w / outside? I have posted before about using favoriting to keep track of girls. Today I happened on the profile of my newest baby, and I see she hasn't been on SA in 2 weeks. Aahh!

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?12509-Seeking-Arrangements-[/URL](SA)&p=3127507&viewfull=1#post3127507.

[QUOTE=Tc9869;3127451]
Not sure I care, I'm not looking for a serious relationship and the body / sex is unbelievable, [b]I just wish she'd be honest.[/b]


[b]Still not sure how I feel about her seeing another guy and lying to my face about it,[/b] but I think at the end of the day as long as I'm satisfied with our time together I should probably just ignore it.

[/QUOTE]Er, give yer head a shake! Sure any girl is going to "lie" about aspects of her life. Have you given her your real name, real address, real phone number, real place of work, etc. ? If not you are doing the male double standard thing. But it doesn't matter.

As OP have pointed out below, just assume the girl is dating / F*cking other dudes or hooking up at the bars on the weekends. What the heck do you care? Don't be one of those dudes that want to "control" their SBs and define what they can and can't do. Those dudes ought to get married!

So yeah, as long as the sex is great, the drama low and she's not all up in yer bidness, let her private life go.

Look, I think a word should be said about "snooping" on FB. The only reason to do that is to make sure she isn't a druggie, jail bird, wacko or something potentially dangerous. That is it! Period! But guys look at the whole picture and then get critical of what they are finding. I know I use to do that. However, This ain't dating & marriage: it is just about F*cking! All you need to know is that she ain't gunna rob you, hurt you or try to show up at your place of work. The rest of what you "need to know" about her you should get from talking to her!

It took me a while to "compartmentalize" between passion with SBs and passion with SOs. You draw bounds to keep the SB out of the SO world and vice versa. But it took me a while to realize that I need to quit applying "GF" standards to a SB. That relationship is about sex and all I care about a SB is anything that effects her ability to show up, get naked and give me the time of my life. When I'm out of that world THEN I can be critical if a girl is trustworthy, honest, etc as it might pertain to a LTR. But also found I don't need to mix the standards.

[I]Off the soap box[/I]

I haven't seen this issue addressed directly. What should my status be on SA once I have reached an arrangement w / a SB? And, I guess, what should she do or what should I ask of her? My first one specifically wanted an exclusive, which I heard as she to me, but there was likely a reciprocal expectation from her of me. I mostly kept my profile deactivated on SA, but occasionally would get on, message some girls, provide my contact info, and deactivate again. I kept the profile hidden from searches, as that gets you all kinds of time-wasting contacts. Only those girls I messaged or favorited would have a way to find me. I just got into a new arrangement and am deactivated, and saw today that my baby hasn't been on SA for 2 weeks.

I tried to post here from another city's thread about the idea of blocking a girl on SA as soon as you have an external means of communicating w / her (email, text). Don't know if that post will come up, but perhaps you can find it over there if not. The poster's rationale was that he didn't want her keeping track of him and his activities, he wanted to be able to control the info she had. If I did that to my baby, she might be offended, though, right?

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3128488]I haven't seen this issue addressed directly. What should my status be on SA once I have reached an arrangement w / a SB? And, I guess, what should she do or what should I ask of her? My first one specifically wanted an exclusive, which I heard as she to me, but there was likely a reciprocal expectation from her of me. I mostly kept my profile deactivated on SA, but occasionally would get on, message some girls, provide my contact info, and deactivate again. I kept the profile hidden from searches, as that gets you all kinds of time-wasting contacts. Only those girls I messaged or favorited would have a way to find me. I just got into a new arrangement and am deactivated, and saw today that my baby hasn't been on SA for 2 weeks.

I tried to post here from another city's thread about the idea of blocking a girl on SA as soon as you have an external means of communicating w / her (email, text). Don't know if that post will come up, but perhaps you can find it over there if not. The poster's rationale was that he didn't want her keeping track of him and his activities, he wanted to be able to control the info she had. If I did that to my baby, she might be offended, though, right?[/QUOTE]If you deactivate your profile a girl can't see your info till its active again. So you play this cat mouse game but what good is it doing you if they can't see your profile for whatever period your deactivated.

[QUOTE=Tc9869;3127451]...as much as I like variety this one plus my girlfriend are going to eat all my time away from the wife.[/QUOTE]SB, plus girlfriend, plus wife? Dude, when do you sleep? J / k. Enjoy it while you can. I'm jealous because at my age, if I can pop the cork once a week, I consider it a very good week, LOL.

Is there a way to construct a link to one's SA profile to allow a POT to pull it up without having to sign up?

[QUOTE=Assaholic;3128784]Is there a way to construct a link to one's SA profile to allow a POT to pull it up without having to sign up?[/QUOTE]Why? If your talking to someone you should be able to seal the deal if she is considering it. I don't undetstand what viewing a profile is going to accomplish if your already talking.

Every major city has an Asian population, which means there will be rooms for karaoke. You pay by the hour. The rooms have big couches, tvs, and loud sound systems. Most also serve food and drinks. Take your baby out to one of these places. Instant date and fc.

If you haven't been to one, make friends with someone who is asian. They can show you the ropes.

My sublease office spot just came to an end. Got caught in the act after hours. Back to hotels.com and public sex until I can figure out a new cost effective fc.

[QUOTE=BikeRider;3126647]I posted a while ago about a new app Beewake that let people book hotel rooms by the hour.

It now has a web interface as well. I did some searching earlier today to see availability. They had rooms in NY, Chicago, and San Fran. None of the available rooms were the Ritz, but in NY they had an Aloft in the financial district. Surprisingly they had nothing in LA, or DC.

They definitely seem to be growing so let's hope they get coverage in more locales soon![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3128179]I found this on another city's SB thread. I hope I know how to post it. Anyway. What's your idea about blocking on SA someone you have started communicating w / outside? I have posted before about using favoriting to keep track of girls. Today I happened on the profile of my newest baby, and I see she hasn't been on SA in 2 weeks. Aahh!

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?12509-Seeking-Arrangements-[/URL](SA)&p=3127507&viewfull=1#post3127507.[/QUOTE]If you block someone, your profile is still visible to other sbs / pots. This presents a problem since many of these sbs / pots have friends in the bowl. If a friend of hers is tracking you, or if she has an alternate hidden profile she's using to keep tabs on you, you may need to explain why you blocked her.

I have enough trouble covering my tracks with my SO. I am more honest with my sbs with regard to other babies, but only if they ask or want to be exclusive. Besides, when they ask you to be exclusive, it provides you with leverage to lower the sugar, but that assumes you would want exclusivity.

[QUOTE=Assaholic;3128784]Is there a way to construct a link to one's SA profile to allow a POT to pull it up without having to sign up?[/QUOTE]I don't think so. If that were possible w / a hot link, then all of the other things we don't want on the site (reverse image searching, for example) would also be true. What I have been doing, b / c I don't want to have my profile up on SA (either b / c I just want to be super safe regarding the SO, or b / c I have a SB I don't want to see it), is to print a PDF of my profile and send it to them by email. That's an excuse to get their emails too.

A while back I posted about two young women who approached me 'civi' and seemed very positive and interested. There was a lot of debate on the thread about the wisdom of my trying to turn them into SBs. I got this msg from one in response to a very innocent, brief inquiry: "yes, we should meet next week for coffee! Just let me know, I would love to chat.)!

Coached by one of my bowl brothers, JoyDrop, the importance of texting to this generation (and the type of texting) has been impressed on me. I am paying attention to that w / my current baby, but thought I would try it with this girl also, so I gave her my sugar #. We M&G today.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3128550]If you deactivate your profile a girl can't see your info till its active again. So you play this cat mouse game but what good is it doing you if they can't see your profile for whatever period your deactivated.[/QUOTE]Indeed, this is true. I was selective with those I contacted. Ideally, those that were online at that moment, as they could get to my profile then. I could also include a message to them explaining the situation, provide my email and offer to email them the profile. No doubt there were many who just ignored my contact b / c it was too much trouble, but I did get some POTs in this way. Some were negative, some liked the fact I was so UTR, which they presumably were too.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3128799]Why? If your talking to someone you should be able to seal the deal if she is considering it. I don't undetstand what viewing a profile is going to accomplish if your already talking.[/QUOTE]Because we may not be already talking and because she's a civi, doesn't know me from Adam, and her mind may or may not be thinking along the SB / SD paradigm, I want to be able to plant the seed, and have a way for her to get back to me if she's interested, like what Fish was talking about awhile back, but delivered in a more organized, professional way.

I've been on SA for about two weeks straight now and I haven't been able to set up even a single M&G. Out of several dozen pokes, only had a few responses and then they went dark. And I've already covered everyone in my geographical area who matches the profile of the kind of person I'm looking for, so there's no more fish in the barrel, so to speak, LOL. My guess is most of these SBs are well seasoned and are looking for the cream of the crop, guys with a seven-figure net worth OR young, tall & handsome, which isn't me. I don't know how you guys pull it off, but SA's been a total bust for me so far, so I wanted to try alternative approaches and strategies with the same ultimate goal. My theory is that I'll have better results working on an amicable civi, versus a SB who has a dozen seven-figure guys chasing after her. At least that's the theory. I haven't gotten to the proof or the pudding yet. I'm just looking for the over mitts.

[QUOTE=Assaholic;3130220]Because we may not be already talking and because she's a civi, doesn't know me from Adam, and her mind may or may not be thinking along the SB / SD paradigm, I want to be able to plant the seed, and have a way for her to get back to me if she's interested, like what Fish was talking about awhile back, but delivered in a more organized, professional way.

I've been on SA for about two weeks straight now and I haven't been able to set up even a single M&G. Out of several dozen pokes, only had a few responses and then they went dark. And I've already covered everyone in my geographical area who matches the profile of the kind of person I'm looking for, so there's no more fish in the barrel, so to speak, LOL. My guess is most of these SBs are well seasoned and are looking for the cream of the crop, guys with a seven-figure net worth OR young, tall & handsome, which isn't me. I don't know how you guys pull it off, but SA's been a total bust for me so far, so I wanted to try alternative approaches and strategies with the same ultimate goal. My theory is that I'll have better results working on an amicable civi, versus a SB who has a dozen seven-figure guys chasing after her. At least that's the theory. I haven't gotten to the proof or the pudding yet. I'm just looking for the over mitts.[/QUOTE]I think your experience sounds average. Don't get discouraged. It's like any kind of dating, really. There's no way you can be everything for everyone. You have to try a lot to get one, but you only need one. There is one dynamic, the dom / sub, that seems common in the bowl, and we can guess why that might be. Guys who play that likely do better than average. That's not me though. I'm just a nice guy. I have a beautiful, hot 21 YO baby now, and I am a 61 YO bald guy. She loves our sex, it's top notch, and we also have a strong connection outside the FC. It has taken me since June to find her (I have had a few other babies, of varying attractiveness). You can play the 'nice' card, or whatever card you have. I encourage you to be you. There isn't much of an alternative.

I have done some experimenting w / those $ parameters on the profile. I'd bet some girls don't care much, thinking they just want to know what the sugar is. I did have one reply that I couldn't afford her expectations (I guess she said high, that 5-10 K / mo amount, and I listed my income as 200 K) and block me. Initially I put my net worth several times lower than real, fearing a big # would attract true gold-diggers. I was frustrated I wasn't getting replies from the real 9's and 10's I aspired to, and I upped that to a few times higher than my net worth. Yeah, I think I got more replies. You can't claim to be worth 10 mil and drive a chevy, but give yourself some enhancement if you think that's the problem. You only have to come up w / the sugar one time to at least break your maiden in the bowl. This isn't a cheap hobby, though. My two babies were / are getting 2 K / mo, and then there's the overhead of hotels because I have a SO and they aren't able to host. Throw in champagne one girl wanted or the gift cards that make the other's panties cream, and it's easily another thousand. These are high quality Cali babies, to be sure, but those are the wages of sin. Demographically, if you want white or asian teens and 20's girls, you are going to be paying thorugh the nose. If you can find a nice Hispanic girl, or hunt outside major metro areas, where sugar is a little less, you might hit paydirt.

I visited ATX almost exactly a year ago and found it to be a gold mine.

Word of caution -- the tech industry has driven up expectations of many SBs. Guys with more money than sense like to throw it around.

For a two night visit I had no problem lining up 6 confirmed fuck fests, pending approval over coffee or drinks. I'm older so I targeted the late 20's to MILF crowd. My ideal arrangement is an overnight slumber party, 3-4 rounds, 3 hole access, up to $600 for the experience.

Ended up night 1 with a "Spokesmodel" with the most ridiculous body I've ever seen naked. 8 face, 10 body, 10 performance. Loved CIM. $500.

Had several other options, but my plans changed so I arranged a nooner with someone I think was just a UTR provider. She hosted in a messy apartment and was a yoga instructor and real "gem head". Totally open and kinky, nothing off limits. $300.

Lots of CoEds in the market -- not just UT but SFA -- and recent grads.

Can't wait to got back.

[QUOTE=Assaholic;3130220]Because we may not be already talking and because she's a civi, doesn't know me from Adam, and her mind may or may not be thinking along the SB / SD paradigm, I want to be able to plant the seed, and have a way for her to get back to me if she's interested, like what Fish was talking about awhile back, but delivered in a more organized, professional way.

I've been on SA for about two weeks straight now and I haven't been able to set up even a single M&G. Out of several dozen pokes, only had a few responses and then they went dark. And I've already covered everyone in my geographical area who matches the profile of the kind of person I'm looking for, so there's no more fish in the barrel, so to speak, LOL. My guess is most of these SBs are well seasoned and are looking for the cream of the crop, guys with a seven-figure net worth OR young, tall & handsome, which isn't me. I don't know how you guys pull it off, but SA's been a total bust for me so far, so I wanted to try alternative approaches and strategies with the same ultimate goal. My theory is that I'll have better results working on an amicable civi, versus a SB who has a dozen seven-figure guys chasing after her. At least that's the theory. I haven't gotten to the proof or the pudding yet. I'm just looking for the over mitts.[/QUOTE]Don't give up buddy! Get creative! I have a cache of funbunnies to play with. They all want or are curious about the experience I have to offer in my playground! I like 'them thin and petite over 115 is too much for my wants and deires. Its not. All about the $ ! I'm in my 40's, respectful yest super kinky, fit, blessed. I have givin' less than $1000 cash in over a year on SA. I have bought plane tix, nice hotels m dinners concerts vacations. I do give nice gifts that generally haven't cost me a cent. Postly clothing & toys that I get to enjoy seeing and playing with them. It's there. I live in a small mountain town BTW. I travel for my career. That helps but I have girls from all over north america and a few euro countries. I do live in a very desirable location that everyone loves to visit. That helps. Happy hunting!

So, I just finished my paid month on SA. Here is what I found.

I had an ok number of responses to me. I found 3 UTRs, 1 PYT not really looking for much money. 1 very hot MILF, but want more of an relationship than I could give. 4 girls flaked before the m&g, oddly 2 were from the same college? 1 GPS, I'm a little sad because of this one, we really click at the m&g, but money was the issue. 1 PYT I met, but couldn't find the the time to seal the deal. 1 said she was not interested after the m&g, but I think it was more of a money thing. I have one more who is stringing me along via text. If I can work this one out, I think she will be a lot of fun.

Of the UTRs, 1 was a starfish, 1 had a smell, 1 is one of the hottest girls I have ever banged, but she is over an hour from my place. Seeing her again, soon. And NO I'm not sharing. If you're on SA and near her, you should not have any issues finding her.

If what you're doing isn't working, set up a new profile. Use a different approach. You know what got the conversations started, you know what made them go dark. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result won't work.

Presumably you haven't been using a public profile pic of course.

[QUOTE=Assaholic;3130220]Because we may not be already talking and because she's a civi, doesn't know me from Adam, and her mind may or may not be thinking along the SB / SD paradigm, I want to be able to plant the seed, and have a way for her to get back to me if she's interested, like what Fish was talking about awhile back, but delivered in a more organized, professional way.

I've been on SA for about two weeks straight now and I haven't been able to set up even a single M&G. Out of several dozen pokes, only had a few responses and then they went dark. And I've already covered everyone in my geographical area who matches the profile of the kind of person I'm looking for, so there's no more fish in the barrel, so to speak, LOL. My guess is most of these SBs are well seasoned and are looking for the cream of the crop, guys with a seven-figure net worth OR young, tall & handsome, which isn't me. I don't know how you guys pull it off, but SA's been a total bust for me so far, so I wanted to try alternative approaches and strategies with the same ultimate goal. My theory is that I'll have better results working on an amicable civi, versus a SB who has a dozen seven-figure guys chasing after her. At least that's the theory. I haven't gotten to the proof or the pudding yet. I'm just looking for the over mitts.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3130252]I think your experience sounds average. Don't get discouraged. It's like any kind of dating, really. There's no way you can be everything for everyone. You have to try a lot to get one, but you only need one. There is one dynamic, the dom / sub, that seems common in the bowl, and we can guess why that might be. Guys who play that likely do better than average. That's not me though. I'm just a nice guy. I have a beautiful, hot 21 YO baby now, and I am a 61 YO bald guy. She loves our sex, it's top notch, and we also have a strong connection outside the FC. It has taken me since June to find her (I have had a few other babies, of varying attractiveness). You can play the 'nice' card, or whatever card you have. I encourage you to be you. There isn't much of an alternative.

I have done some experimenting w / those $ parameters on the profile. I'd bet some girls don't care much, thinking they just want to know what the sugar is. I did have one reply that I couldn't afford her expectations (I guess she said high, that 5-10 K / mo amount, and I listed my income as 200 K) and block me. Initially I put my net worth several times lower than real, fearing a big # would attract true gold-diggers. I was frustrated I wasn't getting replies from the real 9's and 10's I aspired to, and I upped that to a few times higher than my net worth. Yeah, I think I got more replies. You can't claim to be worth 10 mil and drive a chevy, but give yourself some enhancement if you think that's the problem. You only have to come up w / the sugar one time to at least break your maiden in the bowl. This isn't a cheap hobby, though. My two babies were / are getting 2 K / mo, and then there's the overhead of hotels because I have a SO and they aren't able to host. Throw in champagne one girl wanted or the gift cards that make the other's panties cream, and it's easily another thousand. These are high quality Cali babies, to be sure, but those are the wages of sin. Demographically, if you want white or asian teens and 20's girls, you are going to be paying thorugh the nose. If you can find a nice Hispanic girl, or hunt outside major metro areas, where sugar is a little less, you might hit paydirt.[/QUOTE]Thanks FFA for the words of encouragement and wisdom. I'll try to tweak my profile as you suggested, although it really goes against my nature to pretend to be someone I'm not, but at least for the sake of science, it may be worth a try. Just for the record, my idea of domination is winning 5 sets in a game of checkers. ;.

I'm confident that once I get my foot in the door and get to the meet and greet stage, I'll be able to convey my better qualities. I've rarely had a problem doing that with women face to face. I have had a few SBs before, who came from the AMP realm, not SA. Those arrangements all worked out really, really well for both sides, and some lasted for years. Those SBs all seemed super happy every time we met and it gave me the motivation and confidence to excel at other aspects of my life.

Most were students, around 19-21, mature for their age, ambitious, and exceptionally intelligent. And it cost me around 1 k a month OTD, which was quite manageable from my perspective, and I only need one SB at a time to keep me emotionally and hormonally balanced. So I'm hoping to replace my last SB, who moved out of state, with someone who has similar qualities. As you suspected, I'm only interested in Asians. A character flaw, or whatever label you want give it. I know. So that does limit my choices considerably.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;3130950]If what you're doing isn't working, set up a new profile. Use a different approach. You know what got the conversations started, you know what made them go dark. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result won't work.

Presumably you haven't been using a public profile pic of course.[/QUOTE]Thanks Fish. Problem is I never got to the conversation stage and I don't know what made them go dark. Ex: Me: Hey, I noticed on your profile says you liked XYZ. I love XYZ. Would you like to have coffee together this weekend? Her: No answer (Mesasge read, check. Profile viewed, check.

I'll ride the SA wagon for another month or so to see if anything comes of it. If not, I'm hoping to take a page out of your book to see if I can turn an ordinary civi into an SB. To be honest, this is my preference anyway, because in my area at least, the quality of SA girls is very sub-par in my opinion. Almost every day, in restaurants, shopping places, everywhere, I see ordinary civis who would abslutely crush the best of the best on SA without even trying, and I'm trying to work out a system or methodology to set the agenda to "turn" these ladies.

No, all my pictures are unique and nowhere else on the internet. That said, I'm intending to experiment with changing my current pics with ones that make me look more, well, affluent. The ones I have up now are of me on an ordinary day wearing work clothes or jeans or some such and I'm not leaning on a Bentley either.

[QUOTE=Assaholic;3131205]Thanks Fish. Problem is I never got to the conversation stage and I don't know what made them go dark. Ex: Me: Hey, I noticed on your profile says you liked XYZ. I love XYZ. Would you like to have coffee together this weekend? Her: No answer (Mesasge read, check. Profile viewed, check.

I'll ride the SA wagon for another month or so to see if anything comes of it. If not, I'm hoping to take a page out of your book to see if I can turn an ordinary civi into an SB. To be honest, this is my preference anyway, because in my area at least, the quality of SA girls is very sub-par in my opinion. Almost every day, in restaurants, shopping places, everywhere, I see ordinary civis who would abslutely crush the best of the best on SA without even trying, and I'm trying to work out a system or methodology to set the agenda to "turn" these ladies.

No, all my pictures are unique and nowhere else on the internet. That said, I'm intending to experiment with changing my current pics with ones that make me look more, well, affluent. The ones I have up now are of me on an ordinary day wearing
work clothes or jeans or some such and I'm not leaning on a Bentley either.[/QUOTE]K I'm not sure your age or the target age your going for. IF your shooting for 18-22 year olds be prepared for no or little response because they operate on their own timetable. Also IF your alot older pics just hurt you in this age group. Suggesting meeting in your first message is a no no. After they respond to a message and you developed a conversation then its time to ask to meet but its better if its their idea. Now I'm really confused about turning a civi into a sb. If you have the game to try this its a head scratcher to your online game not working. Now the question is why convert? Just be a good boyfriend who helps with a bill every once in awhile. That would make her very happy.

I'm 64 no pic on profile with a description of exactly what I'm looking for. I don't target the kids, usually 30-45 age range and have all the response I can handle at 64 LOL. Now occasionally a young one is interested. I've had from 22 upwards to 48. Oh and I've been turned down by several once they get my pics but my thought is on to the next one.

Well I was on there as a paid member for 3 months! Just kinda over that whole thing. Just my 2 cents!